Today I came across an interesting video by HealthyGamerGG which discusses aspects of young people today never fully growing up and always striving to live a fantasy life - puer aeterni - or in English - eternal boys, a concept developed by Carl Jung.
Some of the remarks did resonate with me and my own behavior, especially when I was younger.
This person criticizes the Red Pill and even mentions terms like spinning plates, non-committance, as basically just being the inability to take responsibility for life and not accepting that life is not always fun and games. In other words, he argues that what guys do with “spreading the seed, being an alpha male” is basically just a rationalization for being psychologically stuck in childhood. He touches upon a term called Don Juanism, which was described in a psychology book 100 years ago, which basically, as I understand, means catching oneitis for new girls, which would be the opposite of red pill though.
I think that he accurately explains the majority of people initially coming to places like this forum here, however, it misses the mark of the end goal of red pill that people teach here - complete self-reliance and absence of seeking external validation/detachment.
In summary, he argues that the red pill is actually blue pill, since we live in fantasy land, while the real red pill is to work a boring life and accept that that is what life is.
Rant begins around 47:00:
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2d ago Stickied
My biggest criticism of red pill criticism posts is that dudes doing it don't even know what the red pill is trying to achieve
alfon335 2d ago
This is the majority of it, yes, but in my personal experience within this forum over the last 3 years, it is about teaching men about masculinity in general. Pure sexual strategy is PUA stuff.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2d ago
This is ridiculous
If you cannot distinguish sexual strategy from PUA you have no idea what you're talking about and telling on yourself
alfon335 1d ago
You are being angry and shooting the messenger. We are on the same team. This guy attacked the community and behaviors of people here, not the underlying teaching (praxeology) about the gender dynamics, therefore I say that the premise is wrong the way people like him understand the red pill community.
That is why I mentioned outcome independence as the end goal of people here (unless you want to be stuck in anger phase), which is the opposite of what he says.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1d ago
I'm not angry you just posted slop
You expressed very little disagreement agreement with that retarded streamer and even in your reply just now you don't understand TheRedPill
If people want to use red pill to achieve independence that's their choice that isn't our overall goal. Assigning personal virtues to what red pill is is not part of the red pill
You have other comments in this post defending the retard and/or using newbs as proof of red pill praxeology when they are noobs. They don't represent TheRedPill just because they come in here and post their poor understanding of it (namely from watching retards on YouTube)
"Too many guys in this space"
Yeah. Noobs, who don't understand what they are talking about
That streamer was just plain wrong and you basically promoted it with agreement
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2d ago Stickied
I finally watched this blue pill slop and it's comically wrong
First of all, he says TheRedPill is the easy choice and the blue pill is the hard choice. He says red pill is some kind of hero fantasy. What the actual fuck is this slop? TheRedPill is predicated on the lack of morality in sexual strategy
If anything, it unlocks people to the villainy and anti-hero cutthroat nature of sexual strategy
Additionally, he says the blue pill causes people to grind. Wut?? As what a corporate wage slave? I've seen endless discussion on here about being free and independent of that bullshit and actually grinding the hard shit. This video is cringe
Secondly, he calls TheRedPill an ideology. It's not an ideology it's a praxeology. It's about human behavior not an ideology. Every ignorant moron that says the ideology trope has no idea what they are talking about
Third he goes into a rant about how all red pill men want to do is go spread their seed and how they just hate bodily changes after their wife gives birth.
Yeah no, men who genuinely like the woman that has birthed their children tend to actually keep liking their wife unless that woman starts treating them like trash, which is largely an important sexual strategy knowledge base men can use to avoid
This video is complete slop and I'm questioning your motives and intentions of being here
It appears you are just as ignorant of red pill as this gamer slop creator
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 2d ago
I saw this comment and thought, "neat, Vermy saved me a few minutes".
Then curiosity got the better of me.
That YouTuber is fucking retarded. He didn't even try to understand the Red Pill.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2d ago
I wasn't expecting my takedown of that TardTuber to discourage anyone from seeing it for themselves
redpillschool Admin 1d ago Stickied
Oh look, another person who thinks they can tell me what to do, using shaming language to try and push me into it.
So let me get this straight: if I don’t buy into your idea of adulthood -being a good workhorse, paying a small fortune to marry a woman who’ll inevitably divorce me, working myself to death to afford two cars and a house with the white picket fence, and making sure I pay every cent in taxes- then I’m not responsible?
Here’s the thing about taking the red pill: it makes you very good at spotting the language used to control you. “Man up” and “take responsibility” used to work when men actually got something in return for it.
We’re not responsible for failing society. They made that bed all on their own.
Kreaton01 14h ago
Using concepts meant for self improvement and understanding of human nature as a weapon to attack a concept one doesn't understand only creates an illusion of it being profound.
(I'm talking about Jung's work, just so we're clear. I'm criticizing the YouTuber)
mattyanon Admin 10h ago
Mature = doing what women want
This is what we mean by the Gynocracy: everything is defined in terms of doing things that benefit women.
This is all the classic piece of female manipulation where everything that men want is defined as "immature", while giving things to women and doing what women want is called "growing up".
Multiple women? Immature
Spinning plates? Immature
Not paying for women? Immature
Playing sports? Immature
Having your shit together, own house, own car, living a great lifestyle? Immature
Not committing all your past, present and future resources to women? Immature
Raising someone else's children and paying the mother while asking for nothing for yourself? Now that's grown up.
Once you see this pattern you realise how pervasively women have managed to determine male acceptable behaviour and label it to suit their own purposes.
cundardunfinished 2d ago
This guy has no idea what he's talking about. He's all over the place, but when he finally starts to allude to what he thinks redpill is he is actually talking about something more like the madonna-whore complex. Which is actually something TRP gets guys away from, since that is just pedestalizing by another name.
Overkill_Engine Endorsed Contributor 2d ago
That video creator discovered it's easier to argue against a selectively understood at best strawman than it is to understand what is actually being said by TRP.
Sure, men can use info from TRP to "Peter Pan".
If society has a problem with men choosing to "Peter Pan", then society needs to self reflect and realize that all the other options that it offers men are worse instead of blaming men for opting out. That's just sociopathic blame shifting.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2d ago
The moment someone says "rep pill ideology" you already know they have not read any serious RP
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2d ago
Pook writes about don Juan a lot, and this is absolutely not what a don Juan is
I haven't seen such an ignorant post in a long time here, you very clearly came her to argue with RP, not understand it
And it's very clear you latched on to an equally ignorant YouTuber to satisfy your confirmation bias
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 2d ago
No, he criticized a made up bunch of crap that he labeled "Red Pill". Fucking moron didn't even make a token effort to understand it.
Biggest tell: calling it an "ideology". It's a praxeology.
1) spinning plates is the starting point. If you find a woman worthy of more, you upgrade her. My wife of 20 years started out as a plate.
2) speaking of, according to that moron I should have divorced her years ago to go bang younger women.
Responsibility without commensurate authority is slavery.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 2d ago
Replying to myself since tags don't show up in edits.
@Vermillion-Rx: are there negative point flairs? If so, -1.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2d ago
Lmfao @redpillschool
I think I'm going to start doing -1 flairs
Some people are retarded and if an EC agrees I'm down lmao
First-light 1 1d ago
First off, the Latin is risible. if you are going to use Latin, use Latin not Harry Potter language where you get a Latin dictionary and copy out words. Latin has declensions, genders and cases and it is not enough to copy out the words. A puella aeternus cannot exist no matter what the liberals tell you about transgenderism. puer aeterni would be a boy of the eternal, not an eternal boy. OK, I will not post corrections and will stop my pedantic rant.
On to the substance of the lecture. close but no cigar. There is a huge problem with failure to launch these days. Gifted kids are special needs kids who won the lottery of special needs. These things are spot on. The puer aeternus is a charming gifted man who cannot apply himself, true. But these things do not describe the basement dwellers of today who lack simple social skills.
He might be right about the most fucked up people being the children of puellae aeternae.
As to the red pill again close but no cigar. There is a real danger that the red pill becomes a safe haven for men who do not want to actually engage in adult relationships with women -where you will always have to be a bit beta because of briffault's law, where you won't always be doing some extreme sex act with a submissive young girl in the first flush of infatuation, where your woman's female nature will lead her to treat you badly and you will just take it and get on with caring for your family. He is right a real danger exists but there is a real danger in the blue pill too. Some medicines harm the body, they just harm the disease more. The red pill is a medicine society needs. It will cause some collateral casualties among weaker men who would have been poor blue pill specimens anyway.
I have always maintained the red pill was primarily about situational awareness. You then have to take that situational awareness to the world to live a safer more fulfilling life -in the real world, getting the things that all men should do done -building a career, developing yourself, making friends, raising children, shaping society. What you have to do has not changed, its just the climate has changed. The crops are a little different, the pests are different, the game to hunt is different but a man's life is the same in principle as it ever was.
For example the red pill teaches us that marriage is no longer a man's friend. This is a truth. These days a man will have to navigate LTRs without this security framework of marriage that used to tie a couple together in a fair way but he will still have to reproduce if he is to succeed at passing on his genes. If a man says "marriage is no good, so I will just be a fuck boy and never have children", then yes he is a Peter Pan and ultimately has lost the game of life. However if he says "Right, reproducing has some legal pitfalls these days and women have great entitlement but have not been educated to be good mothers. However, I am not a coward, I will be as risk averse as I can, not over invest in my children's mothers. I will be stoic in my set backs and I will educate my children better than their parents were educated, then he is using the red pill to engage with life. This sort of red pill strategy is not a parallel universe for basement dwelling losers, its education for life.
I would counter this puer aeternus with semper eadem. This can have two meaning in Latin -"always the same things" and "always the same woman" (the gender and case endings just happen to be the same for both these meanings). Circumstances change but men still need to get the same stuff done to succeed. The nature of women has never changed. Its just the climate we live in.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1d ago
Romanes eunt domum?! People called Romans they go to the house?!
First-light 1 1d ago
I had forgotten that one! Priceless. Thanks that made me laugh, silly old pedant that I am.
Touches on a kind of school master that is no longer in existence (I think somewhat sadly when I see some rude little shits today). My Latin master was a homosexual who used to throw us parties with lots of alcohol where he tried to get us to dance to "girls just wanna have fun" (yes he wouldn't have survived long in education these days either) but I had a Rugby coach who was also my tutor who used that trick of picking you up by the sideburn. No violence, no marks, no need for a cane or a ruler, just total compliance. No one ever gave him any trouble.
alfon335 1d ago
I agree with you. The video was interesting to me because it did resonate with my behaviors when I was younger. While I did not agree with the rant at the end of the video I did find useful stuff reiterated what we also teach here - mundane action over passive fantasy.
I think this term puer aternus (or whatever the fuck the correct term is), perfectly describes a lot of the guys who come in and are in the anger phase. Or guys who seek to achieve BP goals with RP methods. Guys who are still deep down looking for the unicorn, instead of accepting female nature as it is and not putting girls on the pedestal. The autistic alpha if you may.
While these behaviors are inherently blue pill, a lot of guys who come here exhibit such behaviors so it is important to talk about it.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1d ago
His specific examples were completely and utterly wrong