Based on the bonfire reminiscing of a group of my Brother's middle-age musician friends. First off, this is not a recommendation, how-to, or endorsement of aiming for women of dubious legality. These are firsthand anecdotes and stories with no pretense of highbrow analysis, that demonstrate edge cases of early sexual initiative and hypergamy in a pool of Rock Band groupies and girlfriends.
The first involves the leader and lead guitarist of a band my Brother first gigged with in the late 80s and later joined for over a decade. He was around 35 at this time, and it was a rough 35; to the point where he could probably get the Senior Breakfast at Denny's on the way home from some of the more taxing shows. Notwithstanding this, everyone in my Brother's band noticed after just a few times when his band first played at the same venue as his, that he always seemed to have a different, and quite young girlfriend hanging on him, and usually one or more right against the stage making moon-eyes at him as he played.
By the time my Brother joined a fresh incarnation of his band that became quite successful and still plays today, he had "settled down" with one steady girlfriend. She was a fairly cute blonde, easily half his age and this was not math that anyone wanted to concentrate too hard upon; the story paused at this point with murmurs of agreement that it was a totally different world back then and this would not fly so readily in today's environment. She was around at all of their gigs, and it was recognized that she was together with him, and they seemed to make a decently happy couple.
A year or so later, my Brother was living for a time with two other musicians in a part of Venice Beach selected not for the ambience, but the cheapness for a trio of not-rich musicians. It was such a bad neighborhood that my Brother rented a storage unit right off the freeway where he could leave his gear, otherwise it would get stolen like today in that neighborhood. One night after 2am, he finished dropping off his gear and noticed a very familiar VW van parked further down the aisle of the otherwise empty storage place. He parked by it and sure enough, all the same stereotypical Dead stickers and his band name. The door to the unit behind it was open a few inches, and a dim blue-ish light flickered out. "[Name]?," he called out tentatively under it. Suddenly the door rolled up with a loud metallic clatter, and inside was that chick watching a little TV plugged into an outlet+bulb adaptor bootlegged into the lone ceiling socket. "Oh, hey {brother]," he said with delight. "Yeah, I'm between places for a bit so I'm staying here for right now." The girl seemed happy as a clam, sitting on a cheap folding chair and watching the shitty TV whose light danced over a mattress on the floor and piles of clothes and guitar gear.
A few weeks/months later, he was hanging out at his Venice crash pad with the other guys there when an unexpected knock came on the door. It was that young chick... known to all as [Guitarist's] GF! She'd driven way out to and found parking in this really bad neighborhood. It soon became clear that she wasn't there for small talk, she practically led one of the guys to his bedroom where the door shut behind them decisively.
The two in the living room were going WTF over the situation while they were in there hooking up for less than an hour. Apparently he didn't simp for her after the fact, and long story short, emerged from Guy 1's room and immediately glommed onto Guy 2 and shortly led him to his bedroom, less out of obvious desire for guy 2 and more out of obvious desire to piss off guy 1. After he finished, she didn't hang around long. At the next gig and moving forward, she was still with [Lead Guitarist] and acted like that never happened!
There was another barely-18 gal who was not a girlfriend but the vocalist for his original incarnation of the band. She hung on for a while and was really good at and into her role when my Brother and the later lineup were established, but one day quit and was suddenly down on the whole band and scene, and quit hanging out. She comes up again later.
The years go on and another band my Brother was in and the two performed together regularly, had a big weekend gig at a ski resort playing in the bar. They had two adjoining "band rooms" in the resort's rental bungalows, and my GF and I, well known to and regularly working on a cause alongside both bands, were given carte blanche to enter and use these rooms the entire weekend. We were tripping balls (it was that kind of scene), and after an extended set break and smoke sesh with members and fans of both bands, they went back on for their next set and we went to their room to dress for a few runs of night skiing. (I don't recommend you start taking psychedelics, but if you already do, I recommend night skiing on them. Amazing experience!)
We go into the room, and there are two girlfriends of the second band's members who had arrived a few minutes before. Conversation was super awkward (we all knew and partied with each other at countless gigs by then) and as everyone was tripping hard, it took a while for it to become clear that we had walked into a spontaneous Lesbianism experiment between them! It then took us all even longer to figure out how to wind down the encounter and GTFO of that room. Really-super awkward; we went ahead with our skiing but 50/50 they aborted the plans we interrupted.
After several more band-related stories, it came around to, "The guitarist and his GF are still together; they're like 70 and 50 now. Also, the vocalist who loved then hated the scene? Her youngest kid graduated high school this year, and she's "a devout Mormon, complete with the funny dresses and special underwear." She reached out to [Band leader dude] expressing that she's really looking forward to getting back into singing for them now, in their decidedly NOT Church Elder sanctioned band and its scene.
Conclusions I took away from this bonfire conversation: The girls of 3-4 decades ago don't necessarily deserve to get idealized over those entering the SMP today. What looks like a sweet innocent young Unicorn might be out there initiating sexual escapades that would make her upper middle class parents' toes curl, and your own dick shrink to a self-protective tic-tac. Some women can go from immersed in a pretty hardcore party scene, to a pious religious wife and mother role, then back again after decades, like it is nothing. And sometimes, and I mean only sometimes, the most unlikely of pairings turn out to become the ones who stay together "forever", by all accounts happy despite long odds and tawdry secrets.
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Redpillpusher 1y ago
"The best time to plant tree was thirty years ago. The next best time is now" - Anonymous
MentORPHEUS Senior Endorsed 1y ago
Like I told the guy who approached me on the streets of New York and asked, "How do I get to Carnegie Hall"
"Practice!" I shot back.
On a serious note, my Brother was taking piano lessons in grade school, took Band every year, got a college AA in music theory, and had a day job at a music store in his 20s. He lived and breathed music his whole life, and by his 30s was so good on keys that his band nickname was "Wake Rickman."
One might become a pretty good musician by 35 if starting around 27, but the great ones have already been playing for a dozen years or more by your age.
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Lone_Ranger 2 1y ago
I think its even more extreme than you suggest Ment, by 27, the most talented and dedicated musicians have already hung up their guitars/keyboards/drumsticks because they are so tired of being sofa surfing and begging for scraps. Those are the really good ones.
I was really into bands when I was a teenager. I love it. Its a great hobby. The amount of people that manage to make a career out of it is probably 0.00001%. It similar to sports. These are not good odds.
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Lone_Ranger 2 1y ago
Sure, very young girls (lets keep it legal!) will want to bang very old musicians.... if they are very famous and rich. Being rich and famous means unlimited pussy, even if you old.
The issue is that the odds of you becoming rich and famous from music are so slim that they are the same as zero.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
I mean just listen to green day. Do you think it takes some kind of expert playing to make good content? No.
Just mostly good chord progressions, a few easy riffs and solos, and good vocal melodies that have high appeal
Shoot for what you can. Might want to start meeting guys that play and stop giving up on guitar first
Lone_Ranger 2 1y ago
Try it man. Try going on stage, even a small one, and playing a tight set. Try it. its easy to play a 3 chord song in your bedroom....try doing that in a small pub, in front of say, 50 people.
Playing live is not even the issue. Lots of people can do that. There are probably 10,000 bands that sell up everything and move to LA to make it every year. There are thousands of them applying to AGT. The odds are tiny. How are you differnt?
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
I played an original composition (instrumental) of a very difficult acoustic piece i wrote in front of about 20 people on stage with another 30+ seated around the bar
It was nerve wracking. Green day? That shit is nothing. No sweat under the same circumstances
Also no where in my previous comment did I say he could make it. I just said he doesn't have to be a guitar Chad. Huge difference
I'm not sure what you're inferring. I simply said he doesn't need to be excellent at guitar. I didn't say what he had to do to succeed
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
You should probably consider getting some band experience and actually writing something before trying to estimate the make ability of this path
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
I mean i don't believe 99% of artists ever thought they'd be famous
Obviously you have coattail riders like Miley Cyrus who's dad was a country artist etc but most bands started out with EPs and got picked up. First couple shitty albums before a producer helps them remix and crap
Otherwise you have independent artists on YouTube that end up making it. Maybe they just get viral from covers and then they drop an original or some bigger YouTuber shares it
You really don't know if you don't even start. How would you know? You can't even begin to grasp if you'd have success without having any means to be out there. No original music, still learning guitar, no band.
You can't forecast any of this without a start
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
You're welcome You should get good anyway, it's a desireable skill and stress relief
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
No problem, Sure thing
Durek_The_Bald 1y ago
Fun read.
And yes, women's nature transcends time. Hence why the whole traditionalist conservative schtick, dreaming of the "god old days", is a fallacy.
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FCBorussia 1y ago
they are only the planforms - a sign of the times
platforms give anonimity and ego protection mechanism, if ALL men would cold approach today then platforms would become obsolete with women having even more notches