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Stee_Man 1y ago
No offense, but it sounds like you need to work on your people skills. You need to act friendly to eveyone at work. It doesn't have to be a 2 hour conversation... just how you doing, weather, etc. Then say you have a deadline and have to get back to work. If you just act stone cold / stoic, they'll think you're a psychopath which is not good.
If you don't want to socialize after work, do what the women do. Say you have a date with your girlfriend. That will spread like wildfire and soon all the women will know he's not available, rather than he hates me, boo hoo hoo.
Seagram7 1y ago
Hey genius, You do realize I didnt write that reddit post...right?
Overkill_Engine 2 1y ago
This shit is why I love remote work. No need to deal with small talk and social bullshit like this and every conversation with my coworkers is documented on my machine, their machine, and the server.
No-Stress-Cat 1y ago
You're damned if you do, and damned if you don't.
I've been with my employer for just over 8 years now. Last year, I was promoted to supervisor and moved to a different department under a female manager. At first she was okay to work with, and she pretty much just stayed out of my way and let me do my job. Now, she wants to control every little aspect of how I run my unit, and everything I do has to be approved by her. Basically, she's running my unit, and I'm the puppet she's pulling the strings on. She's actually getting in the way of me doing my job, and wants to write me up every time something goes wrong. Every time one of my subordinate makes a mistake, she wants me to give them a conference. If I don't, she can write me up for failure to follow instructions. She knows that every little ping on my record can prevent me from getting a promotion later on down the line.
This past Friday was the last straw for me. Monday morning I have a disciplinary conference (not a write-up) with her again. Unfortunately, her boss is on vacation until the end of the month. She's taking this opportunity to abuse the system because she knows that (at least for the moment) she's not going to suffer any blowback. After that, I'm putting in for a transfer (which has to go through her boss - who I am on very good terms with). If she won't let me transfer, then I have the option of voluntary demotion (and good odds that HR will move me to another department). I'm only making $2 more per hour as a supervisor, and it's definitely not worth it working with this hildabeast. After 2 more years, I become a "vested" employee, which means I get to collect a pension. I would rather take a demotion than let this cunt get me fired.
Take heed, gentlemen. Working with women (especially women superiors) can land you in a lot of hot water, especially if they're clever and devious enough. It's all about women superiority, total control, and AWALT. As a man, it's always your fault, and you will always be the scapegoat. Working with women is just not worth it anymore.
RedPill115 1y ago
What you're describing is a very female model - men can do it but for women it seems to be more "default".
She puts you out in front "appearing" to be the one making decisions, while really she's the puppetmaster pulling your strings. She sees it as all the control of being in charge with none of the organizational risk or personal relationship risk.
Impressive-Cricket-8 1y ago
I'd check the laws about recording conversations in your country/state/whatever and, if it's allowed, get as many proof as her behaviour as possible. Once you have a nice little collection of those, you can choose to appoach her boss, HR, a lawyer or just keep it quiet until the next time she pisses you off.
gr8bollos 1y ago
Insecure people and (women in authority) really be playing Art of War out here lmao.
No more true leaders who lead without politics, it’s rare
gr8bollos 1y ago
Honestly I used to flirt with my coworkers so much like 5 years ago. It’s part of my personality and it did “push me to the top” in terms of workplace charisma or whatever. But it came with a lot of hostility from other male coworkers who were jealous and eventually hostility from older women at work who were mad I didn’t give them attention. I treated them like Dan, more cordial and strictly business
But culturally something shifted so much in the past 5 years. I now am strictly business, even with my female clients who hit on me. I realized that a lot of is just attention seeking and validation they want from me. I’ve flirted back with a few occasionally just to have them do some 4d chess to reject me at the end. The dating scape has ruined workplace dynamics because now women are using neutered men in this environment for free validation.
Men know they can’t hit on you, it’s sexual harassment. But we’re obligated to talk back and a lot of men don’t have the wits or self control to realize these women are taking advantage of the situation and using us for validation by flirting.
I see it all the time with younger naive guys. I would walk into a certain retail store and the hot girls would flirt with the smv4 coworker. He flirts back and he thinks he’s suave and a ladies man suddenly but only at work. The girls recognize this and abuse the dynamic and get as much validation out of it by stringing him along for months and maybe years. Then because he thinks they’re his “girlfriends” or whatever he’ll get jealous and mateguard when they have a liking to attractive male customers. It’s funny. This only gives the girls a laugh and more validation
Lone_Ranger 1 1y ago
its true. Mild flirting used to be a mainstay of office life. The women were actually probably worse than the guys. And if we all went out on a Friday after work for drinks, it was common for people to pair off and have some private fun. That's what it looks like in a normal world, with consenting adults all taking care of themselves and having fun and being discrete. No need for dramatics, everyone being polite and having a good time. That's how a lot of people met their wives / husbands.
Its all gone now. Everyone is afraid. The finger of accusation can ruin your career, which means you lose your house.
It's just one more reason why fewer people are getting married, and those that do are getting married later and therefore having fewer kids. Which means population decline. Which means that we have to step up immigration or face economic decline.
gr8bollos 1y ago
Yeah basically a lot of people have historically met their S/O at work. In the modern American lifestyle most people are spending like 80% of their life working if they’re not sleeping or commuting. The other 20%? They need that for errands, kids, gym, rest.
It’s creating a lifestyle where a true “hard worker” (full time or overtime man) has little to no time or energy to meet a S/O. The worklife balance is fucked up way more than it was 30 years ago. And then throw in the fact that some percentage of couples DID meet at work (and it’s still happening but at a much lower rate for the reasons we talked about)
Then guys are different, we don’t have things as easily handed to us on Tinder Bumble etc. so it’s creating a lot of incels and basically sexually frustrated ant-workers to build the kingdom for the elites. Their entire master plan is to turn the modern man into a corporate miserable sexually frustrated slave to make them more money and be controlled
A lot of these women are still able to date though. With Online Dating in their favor they can have reliable dates lined up when they’re off. They may even find some incels to pay their bills for photos or some shit. Then the girls can start working part time and have a better worklife balance because the money is coming from a thirsty beta.
SSeuSS 1y ago
I would just note it doesn't have to be MGTOW, that's what red pilled guys will say in first set of rules. Don't shit where you eat.
Guy just doesn't know he is dying from constipation, coz shitting or living is highly dangerous anytime anywhere.
Lone_Ranger 1 1y ago
I am guessing that this guy she is talking about is hot. And this is what is pissing her off. He doesn't know the rules - if guy is hot and chadly, he must approach and flirt with all the women, esp the ones that are fat, old and ugly. If the guy is dorky, unattractive or even worse, a disgusting nice guy with a low body count that treats women with respect (how disgusting!) then he must stay in the corner and keep his eyes down.
They really should put the rules in the office manual to prevent misunderstandings like this.
Seagram7 1y ago
I think he is just a good looking guy, not hot but attractive enough to get noticed. What he does have is social proof with the other men in his office. He is a guy's guy and other guys like him and want him to hang out. I think that is what is driving the women at his office nuts. They cant call him a total low status weirdo because the guys like him and he is not unattractive. All their attempts at drawing attention and validation from him isn't working. Plus you know the women tried shaming tactics with the other men by saying there must be something wrong with him, but that didnt work since the guys still talk to him; so he must be a misogynistic creep that hates women. That's got to be it, right ladies?
What I theorize is that at the subconscious, primal, instinctive level, a man like him panics women because if he is immune to their charms, is not interested in currying favor with the women in his tribe, and most frightening of all, he may influence the other men in the tribe to act the same way. He must be stopped before he begins to influence the other men to stop paying attention and validation to the women in the office.
RedPill115 1y ago
Our instincts are largely from living in tribes during hunter/gatherer times.
Men organized around accomplishing tasks.
Women organized around controlling the men.
Men go out as a group hunting and killing a Deer - imagine they just set up a fire, ate it themselves, didn't give anything to the women or children. Women and children starve to death. Evolution means - these men did not pass along their genes.
On the other hand, in a tribe where the men think "oh those women are wonderful and I'm just a great guy for bringing food back for them" those tribes reproduced and won through evolution.
Women who felt they couldn't "get their hooks" into a man at all weren't going to get fed from him bringing the deer back. So women evolved to feel angry or afraid if the men in their group refused connection to them.
For this dynamic to work though - the men have to have something the women want - like on a daily basis.
How this plays out in a workplace is there's only 1 man who has things the woman want - the boss. The women's instincts are to seek to get a mental hook into the men in the group - and put themselves "above" the men who are useless (useless to them they are of course useful to the business but this doesn't benefit the women).
Which is, you know, pretty much everyone except the boss.
Which is why men who on some level can feel what's going on want to stay the hell out of it.
Seagram7 1y ago
Great reply, especially this sentence. This also ties into why women invade male space and not wanting to be left out of places makes gather. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfF0t3oTsR8
They dont want to be cut off from resources. The want to be brought into the campfire and share in the deer. If the men decide to ostracize them, they die. This is also why women value social status and their reputation. If a girl's reputation was in the dirt, (like the village slut/cheater/liar) she got the scraps if she was lucky.
RedPill115 1y ago
That is a super interesting video, thanks for the link.
You got 50% of what I'm saying...but the issue is about how women choose to treat you.
In the traditional hunter/gatherer system women would want all the men in the hunting party to like them - or at least feel neutral towards them. Because everyone one of those men brings back something the woman viscerally needs to survive - food.
In an 8 person hunting party all 8 men are potentially valuable to her.
In a 30 person tribe probably 15 men are potentially valuable to her instincts as a provider of food and to mate with.
But in a modern workplace, what the company needs from you, has no overlap with what women's instincts are to look for. What the men produce has absolutely no direct value to the women. So to that set of instincts for them it's like they wandered into a tribe where 29 or the 30 men are crippled and infirm and only 1 guy (the boss who has the social status and social ability to remove people from the group) has the resources she needs.
So her instincts are to treat all the men except the boss as losers who fail to be useful for her.
Not sure if I've explained it well...but I've probably already spent to much on this comment anyways lol. I think women evolved to treat men valuable to them personally well and men who aren't valuable to them poorly - but in modern jobs your value to the company has no correlation to the value to most women - so their instincts are fine with treating you like crap. So your female coworkers can easily see all their male coworkers as worthless because modern work doesn't trigger any of those "oh he's a useful successful man better butter him up" circuits in her brain.
nicknack 1y ago
At jobs I didn’t care about I would fuck anything there that’s female with a pulse. I once worked at a fashion store with 20 female colleagues and 3 gay ones, I legit dated 5 girls/women there in the less than one year I was there. Was awesome. Now I work at a great job finally making over 6 figures and plan to grow here, I refuse to even talk to any of the women there about the weather. Unless I absolutely have to talk to them I don’t. I’ll even purposely ask men who are less qualified to answer on specific topics just to avoid talking to the women. There’s one girl who I was assigned to work with on a project and within 2 weeks she was inviting me to bakery after work. She’s cute enough so I almost said yes, but snapped back into my senses and the moment we finished the project I haven’t talked to her since outside of one word responses.