Update from post: https://www.forums.red/p/asktrp/319662/great_lay_opportunity_with_a_massive_slut_std_concern_how_to/7802998/
Text messages: https://imgur.com/a/qGGi4QU
I pulled up, gave her hug as walked in. It was just us two, immediately sat down on couch and had her next to me arm around. Started to play black mirror, but that shit was too dark and she's like "play whatever you want." Settled for the new Kevin Hart Mark Wahlberg movie. She's leaning into me, hand on my thigh. Her hands exploring a little, my arm is already on her thigh. Into the movie I look at her head, grab her chin and turn toward me and we start kissing. She giggles, and the kisses from her aren't french and open. It's like she kept a tighter lips. I tried pulled back a little, and she wouldn't chase. Awkward laugh ensues from her again (she's also actually awkward in person).
She breaks away and says "I'm sorry, I'm just an awkward kisser"
me: practice makes perfect, lets practice.
and I pull her back in and we kiss for a few more minutes. I readjust her a little so she's more so in in front of me. She repositions herself off to the side again and says "sorry my butts bony"
me: bony, lets check. (squeeze ass), definitely not bony.
At this point my hand was already under her shirt on her bra, and I'm already rubbing her pussy over jeans. This time while kissing she breaks away and I swear I hear her say "I'm almost ready" or "I'm not ready just yet" something like that. Even while rubbing her crotch, she said something about how her jeans button is catching on her belly button piercings once or twice. For some reason I think I slowed down the crotch rubbing all together and tried to kiss her one more time.
She pulled back a third time and I was sitting deep in a couch and tried to pick her up. Now IF I could pick her up I just would've said "where's the bedroom?" She's light, but sitting deep in a couch yet due to the angle and the fact most of my weight is also back in the couch I couldn't lift her. So I just said "do you have some place more comfortable to go to. She leaned back again and said "hey, since coming back into the church I'm not doing hookups anymore. I hope you understand."
me: yeah, that's cool.
We get back to watching, I don't even try to kiss her anymore. But my hands are still comfortable on the insider of her thigh, I move em a little but don't try anything anymore. She then says roommate (owner) is coming home soon and she repositions herself away from me on the couch. Roommate comes back, I'm chill and spoke with him about his workout for a minute or two. He's also socially awkward. We finish a black mirror episode, and I hug the girl goodbye. Both of them are actually socially awkward.
Now I know I fumbled this hard, I fucked up. Was talking with mormon guy who pulls the next day and he agrees I did fumble. Now some mormon girls are into fingering and will allow that, but I totally came across as needy (or too eager) and skipped the fingering stage. He speculates that she wanted to hit (but didn't want that desire as she's trying to be reformed). That makes sense, and then by me skipping the fingering and making it all overt with the comfortable place comment, I triggered her ASD and sealed my fate. Now guy's like "how do you know you weren't the bad kisser?" I don't and I probably was bad, but he agrees that her pulling back could be part of my bad game and her trying to resist her own desires because he was told she struggles with these desires when she hit him up in the past. It just seems incongruent that she can't kiss, but sucks a dildo on premium snap. Who knows, it doesn't matter much anyways. And idk why she scooted away from me before owner got home. Maybe they're smashing, maybe not. Who knows. Hugged her goodbye and left.
The next day she shared a tweet on facebook that said "if lesbians can control themselves when girls are wearing revealing clothing but guys can't maybe the problem is not the clothes." Not sure if that was directed at the evening we just had. Either way she's got tons of problems. In all honestly, I felt absolutely nothing when I kissed her. If she were like a 7 or 8 maybe I'd be turned on more. I'm glad nothing happened, and am also happy for the experience gained.
update on girl ends here. my night continues
Went to the bar nearby and danced for fun completely sober. A 5 was coming onto me from her group a little but I didn't care. Got her name, danced with her a little, then moved on. She was drunk. Early thirties hb8 and I made eye contact several times and she giggled once or twice. I didn't look too much into her behavior, just didn't feel like shooting a shot with her. Hb 6.5 caught my attention when I was sitting for water break. Looked like she was with dad and a friend. Decided not to approach, just didn't feel like it. I just wanted to dance. Danced until lights came on, then left to go to a nearby bar. Walked in and sat near this younger looking kid and his friends at a table with a jenga set
him: you good
me: I'm great, wbu man?
him: I'm great dude
I then ask if they wanna play jenga and we did. In the group was an 8 and she dropped in convo she has a man. After game it was 1:30. Walked away and recognized an hb 5 girl who (not my type) from holloween party who was into me that night. Hugged and spoke for a bit, she was with her guy friend who was coincidentally pale and blonde. Talking with her for a bit she asked if I lived nearby and when I said yes she said "that's good." She's mentioning how we should hangout and dropped in convo that at her house we "could do other things." Bar was closing so we hugged and left, she's like "message me on snapchat." Walking outside I saw 6.5 from last bar and we held eye contact. Said what's up she asked me where I was from. Spoke for a minute, and idk if there was interest but I just wasn't vibing with the fact she was drunk. I just wasn't in a mood to run night game. Looking back I could've accepted the convo as is and should've just gone for the number. We were both standing outside the closing bar, I had everything to gain.
What a day, I know I didn't get any sex and I'm fine with that. Also it just felt weird trying to fuck this slutty girl when I felt absolutely nothing for her. I wasn't even horny for her. The mormon guy later told me relationship sex is a lot better than hookup sex.
dongking 2 months ago
Hey man, nice attempt. One thing I'd recommend is to not escalate so overtly the first time with a woman when you're 1on1 at home. There's basically no need for it and the risk is that it triggers LMR.
Not saying that was the case now, this girl might be/probably is a nutter that can't bond and has a 1000 cock stare. That's very possible.
Next time while escalating I would recommend something like the following order:
Touch her body like back, shoulders, hands and arms then move to her inner thigh. So slowly build it up so she gets used to your touch and doesn't feel like a whore.
Position her a bit differently after a while, like you could lay down together on the sofa so you're spooning, if possible. Just say it's "more comfortable".
The idea is basically to create sexual tension, make her horny and so on without showing your intent super clearly (to fuck her) - but rather make her horny/wet so she starts thinking about/craving it herself
Then wait like 15-20min (or more) and feel the sexual tension build. By now she should start reciprocating; pushing her ass more onto your crotch or even undressing cause "its hot" (i.e. she's ready to fuck when she removes her hoody or whatever).
Then, when you FULL ON escalate, you have to actually go for it. Grab her neck while you kiss her, hold it firmly but gently. Take her tits out, give em a kiss and tell her that she's so fucking sexy. Put her hand on your cock and so on. Then undress her while you make out and grope eachother.
So the first time you kiss her, is basically when you're going to undress and fuck her. This is important. Just touch her body up until this point.
Like you basically have to go from 0 to a 100 real quick the first time with a new girl. Girls like to feel/think that "sex just happened" - but in reality you created it by making her horny in a slow non-covert way, then attacked and took your prey like she barely realized what happened lmao.
So go a bit slower, feel and build the sexual energy and tension, take a step back and wait so she craves it even more - then escalate for real and seal the deal. Try it next time bro, I'm sure you'll succeed.
imtranscending 2 months ago
Thanks for the good comment man.
I was worried roommates would come home soon which was why I was a little speedy. I know 100% the overtness killed it, even if she wanted to before.
I got to the inner thigh pretty fast, but she didn't resist. I just threw even the basic shit I knew out the window, I thought she wanted it badly enough.
I did that a couple times, but she would reset after she broke away from the kissing. One of those times she was probably uncomfortable from the angle, but it wasn't spooking. It was more so her legs on mine. Here's a position idea for the angle we were at and the tv since I was closer to the tv (inside). I open my legs and have her sit between them?
Did this, just stopped for a few reasons cause I thought it was going nowhere lol. I tried to do that while making out more and not randomly during the film.
I get that, but isn't it super obvious that I'm trying to fuck her if I rub her vagina through her clothes? Like how else do women interpret that.
Take her shirt off? Does mine also come off?
Bro I thought about this, that's ballsy as fuck. Like do I slowly unbutton my pants and guide her hand down there. I read your comment like that and NOT as me just whipping it out.
financehardo420 2 months ago
Advanced level Rizz
whytehorse2021 2 months ago
Prostitute doesn't put out anymore. She's "changed". Yeah right. She only changed for you. Women make rules for betas and break rules for alphas.
imtranscending 2 months ago
100%. She might actually be stricter now, but I for sure fumbled this lol. Her texts were conveying so much interest like SHE was trying to pull ME. She might just be trying to stick to the mormon ways now. Saw her at dinner last night, we were both friendly. Either way, I don't think about her anymore.
financehardo420 2 months ago
Here’s my takes.
1) when first hooking up w the chick… read sex god method. once ur alone together at the crib you gotta Rizz her pussy up. the work doesn’t stop w getting into the room. You went for the kiss a little too fast imo. you wait a bit; watch like the first awkward 10-15 min of the movie let her get a lil nervous n horny and then you grab her make eye contact, lean in, and wait for her to kiss you back. See hitch w will smith for reference. From there you don’t go straight to grabbing her by the pussy. Lick and suck on her neck, suck on her earlobes and MOANNNN into her ears. Her pussy needs to be dripping before you start playing w it.
Over the pants, fondle the boobies mayb get the chest puppies breathing n suck on the nips a bit before taking off her pants and getting in there.
Apply these next time.
With regards to the bars: don’t even fucking acknowledge anything below an 8. I don’t even think it’s legal to refer to a 5 or a 6.5 as a “hot babe” if that was a grade shed be failing miserably. Logic is… when an 8 or above sees u talking to ugly bitches your SMV automatically goes down. You want 8+s to see you talking to other 8+s. Shawties love competition but only when it’s on their level.
All that aside good job on getting outta your comfort zone. Had us in the first half ngl thought you finally lost the v card but I’m confident you’re gonna pull through soon enough.
Also don’t listen to that blue pilled bullshit. spin plates till ur the iron chef of pounding vag and then have multiple gfs/plates that are all in love w you and your magnificent stroke game. Keep kinging.
No-Stress-Cat 2 months ago
You win some, you lose some. Good field report. A good tip for fucking Mormon women is to treat fucking them like you would a pregnant woman. You don't stick it inside (that's against the rules), but nestle your dick between her pussy lips and hit the clit with the tip over and over. If you make her crazy enough, she'll either put you inside, or you can take a shot at doing anal (use your thumb to keep the clit motion going). This also works for women who can't do vaginal sex due to medical issues (some women have a tilted uterus that makes sex painful).
imtranscending 2 months ago
So glad you mentioned this comment, so now I know better what to do when I do escalate and the pants are off.
helenj 2 months ago
Getting laid should not be so overly analyzed. You did nothing wrong. You made your intentions clear, she made hers clear, and its done. She had already made up her mind BEFORE you made your moves. Not a big deal my man.