Hello,
Quick info:
- Long time lurker, been "red pilled" for about 8 years now
- Fitness Model
- 27 y/o
- 6 Figure income
- Very sexually successful, but have serious concerns re long-term relationships
(Can post pics/links to Instagram if people are curious or don't believe me).
Main message:
Getting laid isn't a problem for me, as I'm sure it isn't for a lot of you guys. My concerns are more about sexual loyalty from the female in relationships.
I have never been cheated on. But my instinct for what COULD lead to cheating, is exceptionally strong and I'm not naïve to certain behavioural cues, whether they materialise into anything or not. The fact that there is any potential there is enough for me to question everything.
I.e "my" woman checking out another guy. I.e "my" woman moving towards another guy. I.e "my" woman looking to put herself in the vicinity of another guy.
It's all absolutely revolting to me on a physical level, and can't comprehend how a woman could dream of self-sabotaging to that degree.
I say "self-sabotage" because my younger brother is exceptionally good-looking, but as soon as women realise I'm the boss, they lose interest in him and realise that I'm "the hot one" to paraphrase - which proves to me that looks aren't the defining factor.
So it is self-sabotage for a woman if it's based on looks and nothing else.
Instinctively, I know if I would be "above" the other guy or not, but it seems to take the woman longer to realise this as they prioritise facial attractiveness far more highly it seems.
My questions to older guys who know what they're talking about:
1) What's the best strategy for ensuring long-term female loyalty in a relationship? Especially if looks are clearly a powerful factor.
2) What level do you have to be at to ensure loyalty if a 10/10 looks guy comes along, or a guy with a lot of status etc.?
3) Are you completely f***ed if a good-looking celebrity comes along, or, is there a level you can be at to mitigate this?
I think you get the point here - it's not about getting laid. I have no issues there. The issue is about absolute sexual loyalty in a relationship, because I refuse to tolerate anything less than this.
Cheers!
unplugged69 1y ago
Congrats, you finished the starting area which is confusing for many and you've now ended up in the mid game. Many actually never progress past this point because of hangups from their blue pill lives.
1) You don't try to control her actions, you try to control yours (stoicism). There's really no way to make women loyal, they are as they are, you need to always work to improve your value and be at the top of your game, if she is disloyal you'll replace her soon with a younger and better model. Additionally you need to be careful who you LTR, she needs to work for it and show that she's the right girl for the job, otherwise she's just another plate. Learn about the vetting process, I can answer any questions you have on that.
2) There's always going to be someone richer, better looking, smarter, etc. You need to focus on what you have and be confident that you are enough, that's frame. If you're a very hot and rich guy but lose frame you're still a loser to her, so make sure your frame is rock solid and if you have a belief that you're amazing and the best, next time a better guy shows up your frame will collapse because you'll be faced with reality. Your frame should be based on the idea that you are enough and happy with yourself, not that you are the best. The inner game is the hardest to work on in the end and takes years of practice, stoicism is key.
3) Monkey branching and AWALT are one of the first things we teach, so what do you think the answer is? The truth is that it's not always going to happen the way you expect, a more high value dude might show up but she may not even try anything with him due to a variety of factors. The key is not to worry about it as it will not change the outcome, just focus on yourself
wswZtyqNGQ 1y ago
I don't know what it's like to deal with AMOG's who are sniping you down. That's some tough shit.
But I do know what it's like to have a brother who can step on your toes when it comes to relationships. And I'm having trouble here understanding why your little brother is losing out to you with his own women. Now... seriously!?!?! How can you just stand there and let your own brother get shit on by skanks that try to monkey branch to you?
First, I would be pissed beyond belief if my brother did that to me. That betrayal is Judas-worthy. Like... damn dude! :(
Second, there's some problem here when your brother didn't let you know about this situation happening already and not trying to work with you to prevent it from happening again. You should have no difficulty in being respectful while also disqualifying yourself to any girls he brings along.
I'm really not getting any points you're asking about otherwise because I can't get through this one.
FAB2019 1y ago
This post isn't about my brother.
We're not in competition. We live in different cities, no interest in the same women at all.
The post is about long-term relationships whereby a 10/10 face (unrelated to you, has never met you, the woman has never seen before) can cuckold you based purely on looks, or status.
That's my question.
I'm not asking about accidental AMOGs.
Cheers.
whytehorse2021 1y ago
Stop dating hoes. Simple. Problem solved. The only person that can keep a woman from cheating is the woman herself.
FAB2019 1y ago
Good answer, agreed.
Do you have any tests to "weed out" hoes early on in the process to avoid wasting time?
I'm starting to get the impression the vast, vast majority of women in the UK where I'm based, are hoes.
whytehorse2021 1y ago
Just ask them "Would you like to run away together, get married, and have kids?". You see, some women date intentionally. Most of the ones on dating apps will be like "Um, I'm just dating right now" or "Maybe when I finish college and work on my career". If they're not looking to be a wife and mother, they're basically a hoe or a child.
I think I must've screened 10,000 women over the course of 10 years this way. All of the Western women didn't want to be a wife and mother. Many of the Asian women did. I mean sure, Western women want a wedding and child-accessory-thing but when you dig a little deeper they don't want to be a wife and mother.
FAB2019 1y ago
Yep, completely nailed it.
I know LOTS of women who want the wedding and to pop out a few kids. But how many of them want to actually be a wife or a mother?
Zero.
whytehorse2021 1y ago
Obviously not my mom. She was like "I'm out" when she got tired of playing house and then went and traveled and partied, leaving her husband and kids behind.
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FAB2019 1y ago
I'm aware of flags, but I'm looking for a quick test immediately, rather than something that may not come up until months later.
My assumption would be the "attention drop test" immediately after sex, but I would like to hear others views on this.
unplugged69 1y ago
Women are women whether you're in the UK or saudi arabia, the only difference is the society that men created to impose rules on them and punish them for bad behaviour, everything else is the same. They're still cheating whores, but some are worse than others.
There is no quick test, you need to learn to manage your bitches: https://www.forums.red/p/TheRedPill/3524/humansockpuppet_s_guide_to_managing_your_bitches
If she plays the game right she gets an LTR, the first line of that post says all you need to remember: "In it, you will learn how to manage your bitch(es) by turning your relationship into a game she plays - winning prizes of intimacy for good behaviour, and getting punished with demotion or exile if she fails."
FAB2019 1y ago
Just came across his post the other day - absolute gold, cheers.
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Hanscheezburger 1y ago
you want to find someone with moral integrity and accountablity. Someone who wouldn't give in to their impulses then blame the external situations.
Just know it's gonna be hard, it''s already difficult to find men like that.
FAB2019 1y ago
Agreed.
Another question I'd like to tie onto the end of that is, is there a level of status/wealth/pre-selection/SMV etc. that you can get to that eliminates the impulse even being there in the first place, or not?
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Intrepid_Place53900 1y ago
This
Of course the higher you are, the more she's into you, your frame, the less likely she'll stray.
Intrepid_Place53900 1y ago
1) choose wisely, if you in fact want a LTR with a woman. Vet,vet and more, take your time committing.
2) This is really back to #1, AWALT, but to what degree? Can she control her hypergammy? As long as you are leading, you are the captain and she's in your frame, this shouldn't be an issue with a girl you vetted well.
3) Same as the others. Sure, hypothetically, If she was away on business trip and Chris Hemsworth hits her up in the hotel bar. She'll probably take it. Same with 98% of women in LTR or married.
but, I don't know, if I was in same position and a young selma hayek hit me up in the bar, I mean, damn
don't sweat the hypotheticals
focus on the sidebars, how she treats you, respects you, takes your lead,etc.
Karenzza 1y ago
You.want to know can she control herself as someone has said.
If you're that high as you.say. wait till she says she is invested. Ask one of your buddies to pull and fuck her. From cold approach so has to be good at it. I think its the quickest. But you'll likely need few attempts/buddies.
M8nd that it might fuck you up.