As you know, we hear time and time again that 30s are a man’s SMV peak.
Really?
As I remember, Rollo includes fiscal value (a man’s point in his career) as a reason why mean ‘peak’ in their 30s.
But hold on now, is that sexual market value? Or is that provisional market value, combined with sexual market value? e.g., a woman would rather settle down with a 7/10, aged 35 year old making $200k/year than an 8/10 24 year old who lives with his mom.
Could this 7/10 35 year old go into a club and beat out 8/10 24 year olds without logging into his Bank of America account? No? Then it isn’t sexual market value, unless you’re adding game into the mix, which a younger, more attractive 24 year old could also learn if he devoted himself at age 22.
Look at Kristen Bell. That bitch is hot. She is in her 40s.
You know why she is hot? Because she takes care of herself. She sure as fuck beats the average 22 year old, 70%-of-Americans-Who-Are-Overweight fatass land whale.
Rollo conflates a man who dedicated himself to becoming attractive by age 35, at age 22, because he was banging 4s, with a ‘peak’. Sure (or as self-righteous Rollo says, “to be sure”), a man who dedicated himself after 20 to be attractive by mid-thirties will inevitably fuck hotter girls in his 30s than his 20’s, but is that his destined peak? Would a guy who did not devote himself to self-betterment peak in his 30s, regardless of a lack of efforts? Or is a guy only fucking these attractive sluts in his 30s but not in his 20s, because he had no motivation before his 20’s but now reaps the rewards of his 20s’ motivation in his 30s? Could this same guy not fuck girls hotter than his 30s’ best, in his 20s, had he prepared in his teens?
Rollo, last I checked, was in a band with an obese, purple haired, fat and ugly chick. No one has seen a picture of his wife, so for all we know, she is ugly as fuck and he beta-buxed himself because she was looking for long term provisioning and she was a point or two above the SMV of the chicks he could casually fuck. He quite possibly hamstered that his game and his “peak” got him to where he was with her, and not his copium combined with her “I don’t want to end up like my cousin Beatrice” epiphany.
I have read The Rational Male, but I seriously think that Rollo is a fucking idiot. Some of his theory is correct, but I think he’s retarded.
Kristen Bell, again, is hot. She is on par with a middle-aged Arnold Schwarzenegger, but most guys and girls don’t achieve (or in the case of Kristen Bell, retain) a great physique past their 20s. The fact that Rollo intermingles SMV with PMV (provisional market value) shows, in my opinion, that a 20-something year old who prepared in his teens would be much more attractive, physically, than a 35 year old who prepared in his 20’s. Meaning, take out the PMV, and the 35 year old loses, hands down.
CASUAL sex is the standard, not who a girl will LTR.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
I think something that you're missing is that when men judge women, their age (youth and fertility) is judged in their SMV. A rich HB7 woman in her 30s is not more attractive than a dirt poor HB8 girl in her 20s (HB being relative to age, not necessarily overall hot value)
The same is not necessarily true for men. A physical 7 with his own place etc and a cool job IS sexually more attractive than a poor 8 because women get off on their imagination and mental gymnastics. Now if the poor 8 is a total thug who is dangerous, we might be having a different conversation here but that's probably not the kind of guy you're referring to here
I think where your argument applies, is if we had a total Naked and Afraid type situation, where everyone gets stripped and left on an island. If a bunch of guys and women were just placed on a sexual marketplace island, no clothes, no job, nothing, clearly the fit 20 somethings in their prime would probably outdo the 30 somethings
I would agree that perhaps Rollo's interpretation is shit in certain contexts, but we don't live on a clotheless naked and afraid island where a man's SMV would be reduced to his purely sexual attributes such as prime, stamina, looks, and physique. We do not live in a society where men are equally reduced to their physical appeal like women are to men. Our society allows for men to rise based on social status etc. It's how women think
Part of it is relative as you say. A man's value partially increases into his 30s because women's value declines in their 30s. I'm sure in naked and afraid style situations, that women in their 30s would probably prefer fit, sexy men in their prime, but that's not the world we live in for the most part
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
I think the more accurate interpretation of Rollo's point is that they end up having more of a sexual renaissance in their 30s due to relative shifts in the sexual marketplace compared to women. I don't think his point is to be taken literally, though there is nuance having to do with status, which is part of the equation
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Lone_Ranger 1 1y ago
agreed - its 30 and upwards that is the renasissance period - in reality, its from 30 to 60 that are the golden years (yes, there is a long golden period!). That is the period when the market place is transformed completely, and men have much much more power. Honestly, the only bad thing about being a young man (20s) is the amount of sheer effort that it takes to get some action. I can remember thinking sometimes, this is just not worth the effort.
whytehorse2021 1y ago
OK, so you need to look at this historically. Go look up the age of marriage from 1950 until now. It used to be that men got married around age 25 and that was their peak SMV. They had finished college, military, etc. They went to the dance/ball and met a local waitress and those men were Gods to those women.
Fast forward to now with women entering the workforce and getting degrees and it takes a man 10 years longer to do enough college and career work to be maximally desirable to women. So now the age of marriage is around 30. It's not enough to have a degree. It has to be a higher degree. It's not enough to be a white collar professional, it has to be a six figure job. This is due to sexual marketplace inflation and it's mostly driven by a globalized sexual marketplace flooded with simps.
Technically speaking, a man can peak sooner. I saw one guy on here who finished college early and had a business doing well by age 25 and he could compete with 35 yr olds. What comes next with men after they peak is a very wide peak that extends into their late 40s. I mean hats off to the guy who gets to experience it from age 25-45 but most of us will have it from 35-45. Around age 45 ageing takes a toll on men. You start getting grays, wrinkles, testosterone has gone down enough to affect muscles, skin is starting to suck, balding may kick in, you may become estrogenic, etc.
Ideally a red pill aware man will flip the script on women and lock down a 23yr old when he's 45 so he can enjoy her peak while he declines. Right now it's the opposite where a woman will lock down a man at his peak when he's 35 and she's starting her decline at age 30+.
I think the problem in your logic is that you're conflating what women value with what men value in the sexual marketplace. A guy who is a 10 at age 23 has nowhere near the value of a gal who is a 10 at age 23. I mean unless the guy is rich which would be called the apex fallacy.
NeoSpartan 1y ago
My observation has been it's all about hotness and game until they hit about 30 and start wanting babies. If you are in your 20's or early 30s you'll do much better by spending time in the gym than the office.
No-Stress-Cat 1y ago
Here's the flaw in your logic:
Kristen Bell is a famous actress. She lives in a completely different world than the average 22 year old, or the fat-ass land whales. The average woman doesn't have millions of dollars to hire the best of the best personal trainers or top-notch chefs to make the balanced meals tailored to her by her personal dietary specialist.
Of course, she's going to beat the fuck out the average chick. Of course, Rollo isn't going to land something like that anymore than you or I. It doesn't mean he's wrong in the world of just normal, everyday people.
Lone_Ranger 1 1y ago
It's a cope by females to say that males peak at 35 (because they know that females peak at a very young age). I'm 52 now and I can safely say that my peak was about 46. From the age of about 40 upwards I noticed a big increase in the amount of interest / action I was getting from females. I found myself divorced at 42 and had not been in the singles game since I was 28. Boy, it was so different being single at 42 than in my 20s! In my 20s, you had to really really work to get action. Single at 42 and up? the women were easy. It's a different environment.
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Lone_Ranger 1 1y ago
I think youth is really overrated. When you get to 42 (and up) you probably won't want to be fucking 22-24 year old women. They are actually a real turn off - so immature and stupid. Most of them are actually quite gross and have poor personal hygiene. Trust me, a 22-24 year old woman seems quite unattractive when you are 42. I'm 52 now, and 40 would be the minimum age that I would even notice a woman. A good looking 40 something woman, that has her shit together, is not insane, does not spend all day on her phone, knows how to have a conversation, knows what to do...that's so much better than a ditzy 22 year old that doesn't have a clue.
mattyanon Admin 1y ago
Right. It's a conflation of sexual and relationship value.
Nah.... he's done a lot of good for TRP.