Is there a specific point in relationship when I can or should start paying for a woman? Or is it quite safe for my own wellbeing to never pay for a woman?
I met a few girls which were cold to me and as soon as I would gave them flowers (which is kind of paying for them) they would become a lot more predisposed towards me, up to a point that we would even have a regular sex (of course I had to pay for food and some other things in such cases all the time, which annoyed me, but it was much cheaper than prostitutes any way).
Also, I read in a few places that a paying man is a characteristic of a Good Dad man. Woman finds a paying man more likely to be a useful partner for raising a child. Does it mean that a paying man is opposite of Good Genes from a woman point of view? So, a woman will be less likely to have a casual sex with a paying man.
mattyanon 2 weeks ago
Go halves until you've fucked her 10 times.
After that treat her occasionally if you feel like it, and only if she's been good, and never as a reward for sex.
Provider game.
Stop fucking simping, stop paying. They appreciate you more if they have to pay.
"Good dad" guys are beta and get cheated on with alpha chads.
Paying is UNATTRACTIVE because you can't get it for free.
abitofmemory 2 weeks ago
so, if she is working at a store and i invite her to a cinema would it be okay for me to ask her to pay for her ticket?
mattyanon 2 weeks ago
Don't pay. Go on free or cheap dates. Cinema/meals should be arranged between both of you and agreed in advance that she'll be paying half.... eg you get the tickets and she gets the snacks.
abitofmemory 2 weeks ago
thanks. i understand all the points u shared now
abitofmemory 2 weeks ago
if i want to be both Good Dad and Good Genes (alpha chad), should i behave as alpha?
i mean i would be glad if she did not cheat but at the same time i want a family (something cozy and as permanent as possible)
mattyanon 2 weeks ago
Your need for permanence is insecurity.
TriumphoftheSwill 3 weeks ago
I have no problem paying for women if she's worth it. The problem is very few are.
I'm older and I'm not going to pay for second or third hand goods. If she's a slob and I'm dating down she needs to pay for me. It's ridiculous that women can date, have the man pay for everything, get married, say they're bored, divorce, get paid again and then expect to start the entire cycle over and over again. Most women have cycled through this a couple of times already. They really expect to be courted and taken out like they are untouched eighteen year olds?
Fazep00p5 3 weeks ago
Depends on the context and the situation. Anyone can pay
Durek_The_Bald 3 weeks ago
Yes, it's a good rule of thumb. Just don't be autistic about it, as with anything TRP. If she does stuff for you, it's ok to do stuff for her. But you don't lead with money or favours.
Problematic_Browser 3 weeks ago
Aside from the fact you talk like a fucking retard, I feel that you need to be reminded of Briffault's Law.
GO READ IT.
IBelieveInTheFallen 3 weeks ago
This guy might not be a native English speaker, there is nothing retarded about his post. However, your comment lacks elaboration. Are you saying he should do what women want? That’s not redpilled advice.
Vermillion-Rx 3 weeks ago
Briffault's Law explicitly relates to how women do not gaurantee reciprocation after a man does something for her (i.e. pay) nor does a woman gaurantee upfront benefit based on a future behavior
I believe this is a reference to saying paying for shit on dates does not gaurantee anything. Would have to agree with Briffault's Law on this one
IBelieveInTheFallen 3 weeks ago
I see, what was confusing was this line that came up in a google search:
“The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family“
Vermillion-Rx 3 weeks ago
Correct, women can accept or refuse men. Men are the pursuers. Thus, short of rape, women decide the terms of how the date ends etc
IBelieveInTheFallen 3 weeks ago
Yeah, but taken out of context I thought that it meant that he should do whatever a woman expects of him. Which is not good.
Vermillion-Rx 3 weeks ago
I see where you're coming from
IBelieveInTheFallen 2 weeks ago
Yeah I should’ve read more about it though.
Problematic_Browser 2 weeks ago
Yep, gotta read the whole thing.
whytehorse2021 3 weeks ago
Only invest in yourself. The moment you invest in a woman is the moment you lose her. In more traditional societies the women rarely have money so the man pays her dinner costs, hotel, travel, etc. But that's just as a courtesy because you invited them along.
Lone_Ranger 3 weeks ago
If you are paying for anything for a woman, dinner, drinks etc, you are with a whore. A whore is literally a woman that exchanges stuff for access to her. It's not just cash for sex that means a woman is whore, it's if she expects you to buy dinner, drinks, taxi etc for access to her 'time and attention'.
Top tip - if you're meet a woman that you like, by all means hang out with her - but let it be known straight up that you're equals - and equals means 50:50 every time, for everything. If she disappears, congrats, you just saved yourself from wasting time and money on a whore that's not even honest enough to self describe as a whore.
Skev77 2 weeks ago
I think OP said he is autistic in one of his posts. Can’t remember exactly so I’ll try to make this straightforward. Pay but don’t lead w your wallet, this means going out on dates in the beginning especially- match sure to keep them low in cost. Bar date, coffee, walk in the park whatever is low cost. And if you end up LTR then you pay for damn near every date because she’s that much of a compliment to your life. If that’s a problem then no LTR.
Trying to get a woman to go 50-50 is a sure fire way to dry her pants unless she mentions it, I would bring it up. I think of it as she’s hot enough to hang out with so I’ll pay for her drinks (4-6 drinks btwn the both of us) she’s just my companion for the time being.
Terra 2 weeks ago
I'm courious what is your take on my way of dealing with that.
I pay for drinks, icecream, hikes, petrol
She pays for all my food requirements: my fridge full of stuff I eat, freezer full of chicken, other odd food items, cooking my food (eventually sharing cooking to bond)
Big costs like expensive trips: 50/50
I took it from that guy provides entertainment, woman provides care. Splitting big ones not to get classified as bucks.
theultmatecad 2 weeks ago
One of my favorite quips to women in the bar to pay my share like the magnanimous king so I can enjoy night without sperging over rules
Hey first round on me, next 6 on you