First time post, so go easy on me.
I totally get the RP narrative, and I think it has lots to offer. I can see that we have been brainwashed into a totally femocentric way of living. For example, it's totally normal and accepted now that women think that men should buy them dinner and drinks etc, but that women should also be paid the same as men. I should add to that that most men have been ghosted into a Stockholm syndrome situation where they also agree that men should provide dinner and drinks plus lifts etc. when they go out on a date.
The way I see it, modern life has to be about 100% equality. If women want equality (which they have) then the 'free rider' benefits of being female have to go as well. That's what equality means. It means we're not going to white knight for you, it's 50:50 on dates and also in relationships and forget about random strange men leaping to your aid if you get a flat tire. Equality. It's what you wanted.
But my question here is about hypocrisy- I have read so many posts here which are basically slut shaming. It seems standard to hear red pillers asking about game tactics, about how to get more sex. Which is fine. Most guys want to get as much sex as they can (I was the same when I was younger). But to then turn around and denounce women for being sluts because they have a high body count is complete hypocrisy.
Thoughts?
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Intrepid_Place53900 1y ago
(it's a plus if a man is)
quite often, a requirement
imtranscending 1y ago
Does 5'11 cut it?
Intrepid_Place53900 1y ago
ha :)
in reality, if it's in person, most girls , as long as you are taller than them in heels, you are fine. Especially if good looking.
If online, the filters rule.
Durek_The_Bald 1y ago
Women - and by extension, society - make rules for betas to follow, and alphas to break. So TRP isn't about what the rules should be, because the rules don't really matter. It's not about fair and unfair, equality or non-equality, and the politics of it all. That's all one giant shit test, and it's a waste of time and energy to concern oneself with such matters, beyond just opinion. You don't get rewarded for doing what you're "supposed" to do, you get rewarded for paving out your own path, and following your own lead, to the best of your abilities.
Go by your own gut feeling and moral compass, and that's it. Go with whatever you're fine with, and break whatever rule or expectation you find too obnoxious. You are always free to do that, no matter what people say. Just be smart about whatever you do, and you're as free as can be. Ignore the noise, people say they want shit they don't really want, which is especially true for women. So you don't have to concern yourself with that - thank God. In fact, life is more likely to reward you for not listening, for not getting flustered by the pan-hamster.
Anything beyond that is politics and MRA territory. TRP is not politics. TRP is game, how to play it, and how not to play it. It's about what is, not about what "should" be. The rules "should" be like this, women "should" be like that, it's not fair, who the fuck cares. You either win, or you lose. And that's about it as far as TRP goes. It's not a philosophy, it's not a movement, and it sure as hell isn't political.
NeoSpartan 1y ago
Yup, don't listen to shit retards say and just do what works.
There are no "rules", everything is situational.
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Lone_Ranger 1 1y ago
Promise you this is not troll or bait. I just think there is something pretty weird about denoucing women for having a high body count when us men spend a lot of our youth trying to increase our body count! I'm just saying that the only way forward is strict equality. That means that we treat women and men the exact same.
I personally have no issue with women with a high body count - as long as they have not developed a heightened opinion of themselves. I have seen LOADS of women that are about a 6 who really believe that they are a 9 for this reason - they have slept with about 25 men who were a 9.
The reason for this? Men have to downdate to get casual sex. That's just how it is. So, men that are 9-10 are doing nearly all of the boning. But they have to downdate to as low as a 6 to get action. Therefore, those women that are 6 get the impression that they are equal to the men that have been boning them. They really do end up thinking that they are 9!!
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
It's not hypocrisy, you are reading the situation wrong. Yes there are some double standards, we want women to be OUR whore, not EVERYONE'S whore, but you're missing the point and conflating every single dating strategy of men into one.
Like women, men have a dual dating strategy. Women have alph fux and beta bux. Men have women for the streets and women for the sheets.
We slut shame women who we thought might have been relationship material otherwise before she lets it slip what her past was like. The girl we wanted to seriously date before finding out her n-count, or that one time she had a bukkake at the frat party.
Then there are women who we know up front would never be our girlfriend. Taking two seconds of looking at her, we know we'd never put a ring on it. These girls we encourage to be freaks with us. Telling them it's okay to sleep with us on the first date. Not judging them in the moment. But then we tell all the boys what a slut she was with us
Women have a dual dating strategy. So do men. It's not hypocrisy, it's equality
BDATA 1y ago
What's wrong with slut shaming women? Don't they say all of us men are players?
Fazep00p5 1y ago
Slut shaming is good for being a slut is not good.
there is no hypocricy here, read the RP side bar material on reddit.
RP is not women centric all the time, some come here because they want more sex. most come here because the narrative they were told about the world made their lives miserable and RP gave them a better narrative, a working one. Being more attractive to women is part of it as it is natural for men to want to be so. But most importantly people come here to learn a better story about the dynamics of the world and how to navigate it. This story works
Skev77 1y ago
OP is in his RP infancy, read more side bar and consume more red pill content then come back. If this is a troll…focus on your purpose my boy.
whytehorse2021 1y ago
I don't denounce hoes. Quite frankly, I love them. I just won't marry one or have kids with one.
Lone_Ranger 1 1y ago
I think we misuse the word 'hoe'. We usually hear it to mean women that are 'easy'. To me, a hoe (or whore) is someone that exchanges sex for pay. So, its nothing to do with body count. A woman that 'puts out' because you take her to dinner, buy her drinks, take her on trips? That's a hoe. Even if she only has a bodycount of 5. A woman that respects men as equals, buys her own god damn drinks, goes 50:50 on everything, earns her own money from her own graft...that's the kind of woman I can respect, even if she has a body count of 40+
whytehorse2021 1y ago
All women are easy for the right guy. Hoes are easy for any guy. Whether they get paid in cash, prizes, or orgasms doesn't really matter.
Intrepid_Place53900 1y ago
(a woman who goes 50/50 on everything, earns her own money, that's the kind of woman I can respect, even with a 40+ body count)
Why do you respect her?
Think about this. Do women need anything to have sex? No, they don't
they can be a fat , below avg looks, zero personality or in fact a bitch and can get laid any night of the week, sadly by guys with no standards.
men, need to have Looks, or personality, they require something to get sex.
So, why do you respect her for taking advantage of men's much higher need/drive for sex? That's something you respect?
Why ? Because she has a pussy and pays for things 50/50?
She's likely paying 50/50 because the guy she's with is higher than her or same SMV. And he will NOT pay for her. He's got good RMV also which she recognizes and doesn't want to lose him. I think that's the likely situation where she pay's her own way, and again, it's because it's in her interest that she does so.
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Intrepid_Place53900 1y ago
In today's environment, slut shaming is real, why is it valid?
It's been discussed often , I'll try to summarize.
Women, don't need anything to be a slut. Take your avg SMV 5 looking girl, she can get laid any night of the week, easy.
One of the big issues with that, is she's VERY likely getting laid by guys way above her, SMV 8 or 9 for example.
So, after years of this, she nears the wall, 30 years old or so. Has been railed by lets say 20 high SMV guys, all in either ONS or very short relationships where she was the guys total slut, the only reason a guy who's like an 8 or 9 would keep a 5 around longer than a nut release.
So, she's been used and abused by all the guys.
Now she meets you, and she's in LUV, she wants your babies and you are her "forever" guy.
..................ok?
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Intrepid_Place53900 1y ago
(imagine having your gf think you are not as good as all the other guys she's fucked)
yup, that was my meaning. You are basically a provider, you are safe for her. she's had all her fun, now she's "grown" and knows what she wants. Not really, she's given up on getting a guy that high above her and is going for safety now.
dead bedroom awaits that guy for sure
Terra 1y ago
Men offer women not being judged because: 1 woman side otherwise women will become defensive and will do it with other man who will promis that, judment will put a man to low categORy of non-Chad/ non-alpha (which they naturally get - I was this way from my teens, in general, not only toward women; I could categorize but didn't share opinions)
2 man side men want to spread a seed and do it before competition, men educate thems3Ives to do it after years of celibate and have no regrets as no one had cared for them when they needed.
Woman can always say no to any attempt. No Matter what techniques. If men wont learn game the only difference might be, women will be ploughed by different men, probaly narrower group. With OLD, same men would get more, because why would they settle for same ass being in d4mand and zero competition. Women would end with probably the same amount of noches (lack of control).
You could lie on CV that you're plastic surgeon, exp etc. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-46258687
But they can always check you troughout and either by competency test or fact check they can know about you more, if they are bothered enogh.
You could argue: but women have different wiring and game works.
Then you're going back to naturals. They are.naturals, they have success and characteristics. They are naturally selected for above wiring.
Lack of.control and.accountancy get women to fuck naturals and get notches anyway.
Some not naturals: adapt and overcome.
Some men.that understand that system is.fucked for at least another 2 generations say: move away, this LTR will not last anyway, kids no, marriage no.
BTW, I think slut call8ng is also defense mechanism as this is genuinely sad. Some say we are born to thrive in familly lives and if you agree with that and then see it is not achievable, it is fucking grim and makes you react.
If men are guilty (s9me) of any5hing then it is of allowing women too much freedom in.a 1St place, rest is snawball effect.
In my readings I had this idea. Comfort and plenty of improvement to make.life automated happened post 2nd war. Men now had more time, they were not so busy now at work and had more free time on hands so they started to improve the life.of women (freedoms, laws, technology). And.the snowball is still rolling now rolled.by women as well.