It may be easy for most men to get laid regularly if they applied TRP principles, but it's not necessarily easy to get laid regularly with attractive women. I think this depends on the genetic lottery honestly, if you aren't naturally tall and handsome enough you won't be be able to consistently hook up with/plate the hottest women no matter how well you apply TRP principles. Abundance mentality just isn't true here.
So if a guy is sick of nutting in chubby plain janes and wants some eye candy, then shouldn't he try to keep an HB8/HB9 around for as long as reasonably possible if he manages to land one? I don't mean betabuxxing for her, obviously that's a terrible idea. I mean putting in a lot effort, staying on your tiptoes, in applying TRP principles for keeping girls around. Like dread game, recognizing and passing shit tests/comfort tests, rewarding good behavior and punishing bad behavior, etc. Being willing to end things if she loses attraction also goes without saying.
And realistically, you'd have to eventually agree to be exclusive. Somewhat "beta" I guess but I think most of us would agree that women aren't willing to be plates for long unless your SMV is significantly higher than hers.
I understand some guys would rather have multiple average looking plates, that's fine but a lot of other guys(myself included) like some eye candy and not just a hole to stick your dick in, and would rather have a hot girlfriend. TRP should recognize this preference and "abundance mentality" should be a bit more nuanced IMO.
whytehorse2021 1y ago
Yeah but it gets worse. If you're below an 8 in looks the juice isn't worth the squeeze. It's just a numerical problem. 80% of men are unattractive to women. So, if you're a 7 or lower you're genetically doomed. Even if you can TRP your way up to an 8, you only get a little bit of time with an 8 or 9 before a 9 or 10 comes along and takes them. So essentially any woman who is at your level or higher is literally just a temporary hole to stick your dick in. I'm probably a 6 so I just pay 10s for a bit of their time and have my 6 wife.
Hanscheezburger 1y ago
RP says you spin plates as long as possible until they break. So I don't see any discrepancies here. Obviously if her SMV is high then she's a good plate but I'd rather date down a little bit and be treated like a king than deal with high maintenance ones. Take off their makeup and they mostly look the same anyway (talking about 7.5/8 compared to 9, I have my standards).
polishknight 1y ago
My impression is this: I got along better with 8's and 9's than I did the plain looking women and I'm a 5. Repeat: a 5. I married an 8.
I realized a few simple life truths: 69's or 6's who think they're 9's are jaded by all the attention they get from sub-par men looking for an easy lay or beta male relationship. Such women have also slept with a few hot guys so their standards are just as high. Such women who "know their worth" hit the OLD apps and then get even more validation.
Although I think this is common knowledge, I'll repeat it here: 1) If you can fake-it-till-you-make-it, at least in terms of not blowing it, and get an 8 or 9 into bed, that's 1/2 of the battle. You can then move from PUA game (which is unforgiving) and more into girlfriend/marriage game. She can't withhold sex from you after that and she knows it and this raises your pre-qualification value in her eyes.* 2) Get 'em young. The younger ANY woman is, the less jaded or messed up she is. 3) You won't get them in OLD in the states or at the bars because those places are like toxic waste for women. 4) The hottest women are what I refer to as corporate nuns: They regard OLD and bars as gross, they go to work, buy groceries, and go home and hang out with their friends. They have some shit tests but once they're in bed, see number 1 above, all that is moot.
I can't say if this works for me, or is a law of nature, but I have the attitude that I'm a father of a wonderful girl and a good husband so that entitles me to respect and not whether I'm good looking. I deserve it by the law of human morality and my wife knows I think that way and I think a man who asserts his rights, BECAUSE he's not the best looking man, is manly in a fashion. Perhaps she thinks that way too.
The toughest, most respected guys I ever knew, going back to the 1970's, were not good looking/tall/tough but projected it. Think Richie April in Sopranos. One guy I delivered newspapers to would hang out for an hour and tell me stories from his Korean war days and dealing with the neighborhood bullies. "Short man's syndrome" is a slur, but it's also accurate, in a good way, that a short guy who returns 10X shit for any shit he gets generally doesn't get any more shit. They may not like it, but they eventually come to respect it.
Note that all of this is coming from my generation from the late 90's so I appreciate that times have changed.
*(Yes, she can withhold sex but provided she doesn't cheat, she isn't making you an "incel" since she's stuck in it as well.)
Guyandtheroadtovictory 1y ago
Vedas have point similar as your mentioned genetic lottery as well - limits for potential, based, for example, on family circumstances - provided example, history and its lack of, generated money etc, that gives more opportunities.
TRP should recognize this preference and "abundance mentality" should be a bit more nuanced IMO.
More nuances, less thinking. We need to think more :)) already too much one button solutions.
coolsocks00 1 1y ago
Your post is all over the place.
I dont get what you're trying to say here. You struggle to maintain an abundance mentality because you're not able to pick up 9s?
Not sure you understand the concept. All that's required to achieve this mindset is to believe in yourself. Having literal abundance is a fast track road to achieving it, but it's not required nor is it a guarantee. If you dont have actual abundance you need to fake it 'til you make it (or actually believe, i.e. have the prize mentality). Whether you start gaming 3s and 4s and work your way up, or go straight into the 7s and 8s is irrelevant.
Nobody is telling you not to. It is strongly recommended that you plate the girl first in order to vet and establish healthy boundaries before upgrading to LTR. Also, "trying to keep her around" can quickly turn into oneitis, as im sure you understand based on the rest of your paragraph.
Again, nobody is telling you that you cant do LTRs. The point is that commitment needs to be on your terms.
They're not mutually exclusive, these are just your delusions. If you want a LTR, go for it.
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roblox_porn_addict 1y ago
I agree with this yeah. Sex before exclusivity, otherwise you're just a betabucks.
They kinda are, the higher her SMV is relative to yours the more she will push for exclusivity.
coolsocks00 1 1y ago
It seems you are implying that you ought to set aside your own wants and needs to a greater degree, and forego setting boundaries, in order to LTR a marginally hotter girl.
Simp at your own risk.
roblox_porn_addict 1y ago
Do you think exclusivity is simping?
coolsocks00 1 1y ago
Giving exclusivity to a girl who doesnt deserve it, that is not solidly in your frame, that you choose over potentially better and more deserving candidates solely because of her marginally better looks; that is simping.
The recommended process of upgrading from plate to FWB, to LTR, it is there for a reason. Not following that is like putting all your eggs in one good looking basket, before checking if that basket has holes in it or is made from bad materials.
roblox_porn_addict 1y ago
Valid points, I will keep them in mind.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
Could you not have 3 plain Janes and one 8/9?
Not sure why there seems to be a sense of dichotomy when it comes to having one 8 or three 4-5s.
I think you have a fair point that it's harder to abundantly have Three HB8's than three HB4's, but so? If you can get an HB8 to begin with, why the need to put so much effort in to keeping her? Why can't that same dude get another HB8?
I think I can parse out the intended meaning of your post, which is that the higher your preferences are, the less abundant they could be possibly be in your life, but still. If your HB8 can't fuck tonight, and you know you can rail your three plain Janes all week, you still have more abundance than nutting in your hand desiring human contact
It's called abundance mentality, not abundance reality for a reason
roblox_porn_addict 1y ago
The HB8/HB9 will want exclusivity eventually, probably sooner rather than later because they're hot and know they can usually get it. I also think AF/BB is a spectrum, so even if you're not the most physically attractive and "alpha" man she can get(but still attractive) you can still have a chance if you display a modest amount of beta/comfort behavior. Big one is agreeing to exclusivity. Doesn't mean going full betabucks, we can still draw some lines in the sand, I think sex and/or blowjobs before exclusivity is a reasonable one for example.
Also saying this since TRP is amoral, I guess some guys could agree to exclusivity and just cheat. There are risks and benefits to that.
Well this isn't a yes/no thing it's a spectrum. The higher your SMV, the easier it is for you to land an HB8 and the more frequently it will happen.
Luck also plays a role here. Maybe you're her "type", there is some variation in women's physical preferences even if it's not as big as most of us were led to believe.
Yeah my point is that how satisfying this(railing plane janes) is depends on the guy.
Intrepid_Place53900 1y ago
You should do and pursue what you want.
Abundance mentality is really to do several things. Such as Don't put a woman on pedestal. She's not above you, she's not (your soulmate), or the (one). She's at best, an accessory to (your) life and as thus is required to add value to (your) life.
If she's not adding value to your life, you find another girl who does.
If you desire a LTR or a committed relationship, then do so, with the knowledge RP provides.
The RP is a toolbox, to use to help you get what you want. Guys want different things
Me, I'm older, I don't have the time to spin plates. I'd rather a girl who adds some value to my life. Sure, RP teaches you, AWALT, you need dread, got to keep them on your toes to keep em,etc. Get a girl who's low maintenance, gets it. Throw the others back in the pond.
If you are young, fine, spin some plates, have fun, I did that. Again, don't worry about this or that, Focus on what do you want.
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roblox_porn_addict 1y ago
If you're not looking for someone to spend your life with(and TRP guys generally aren't) then does n-count really matter?
She's not yours it's just your turn. So what if she's a thot? Enjoy it while it lasts.
I mean giving an example of a 70-year-old is extreme. Depending on your genetics and lifestyle guys can age gracefully into their 40s and 50s and still be pretty physically attractive, and typically older men are higher status too. Men certainly don't "age like wine" but if you have a bit of luck and take care of yourself you won't hit the wall either.
Intrepid_Place53900 1y ago
yes, guys who take care of themselves can do very well in 40's and 50's. 70's, not there yet, I'll let you know.
But, spinning plates in your 40's and 50's is not rewarding typically for these guys. Time and energy to do it. Some guys sure, that's their kick, new girl energy,etc. Most guys my age who get it, they are looking for low maintenance women, women who also "get it".