Don't make spinning plates your mission | TheRedPill

We have seen many posts here that suggest you should have 5 plates and such. With your job and lifting and (male) friends, 5 plates, where is the time for your mission?

A man without a mission is not bettering himself and the world and is a mediocre creature even if he's charming.

A mission is something that consumes your attention, something that drives you ceaselessly and brings out the best in you. Think of a young Steve Jobs building Apple. Such a man is a beautiful sight and is charismatic and irresistible.

Women are dream-killers and take away valuable time that would have been better spent on your mission. Young men in your 20's and 30's should focus primarily on your mission, because you are on an upward trajectory of your SMV curve and you can make it rise really steeply. Do not spend time or effort into chasing women. If they chase you, you can choose to have them, but drop them if they interfere with your mission. Time is the most crucial thing for a man on a mission and is irreplaceable.

Some of you will succeed in being truly great and you would automatically attract the best women. Many of you will be moderately successful and would still be successful sexually.

You can make your mission to spin plates or sleep with as many women as you can and you may become Neil Strauss/Tyler/etc. Ask yourself if you can be better than this. Can you create the next facebook? Can you create new musical genre? End poverty in your hometown? No? How about something smaller. A new approach to coffee places?

Think about how much time any worthwhile mission would consume. Make your choices accordingly.

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Unbreakable_576 11y ago

I would use the analogy of 2 trainers trying to help a 300 lb guy to lose 100 lbs to explain the different points of view on this post: --OP is a trainer telling the guy to just exercise non-stop to lose weight --Redpillschool is telling the guy to just diet strictly to lose weight

If the guy follows OP, he may never reach his goal since he's ignoring diet....if he follows RPS he may reach his goal but find he wishes he had 10% less body fat.

My point is taking too extreme a view may leave you being a sexless over achiever or conversely a worthless bum tagging countless chicks.

Maybe OP's point is more relevant to young guys in college who have yet to fulfill their potential while RPS's point is more relevant to guys who have reached an age where they are close to their best professionally.

1independentmale 11y ago

I was just telling a friend the other day how the opportunity cost of having a girlfriend is completely fucking astronomical.

We all know what they cost in terms of money, dinners, dates, gifts, etc, but few really think about the time. As a businessman, time is the most valuable commodity I have. If I had worked for all those hours I spent with my girlfriend last year, I'd have an extra fifty grand in my pocket today, possibly twice that. There are definitely times when we're cuddling on the couch, watching tv and all I'm thinking about is how much money I'm losing in that very moment. I could be working to expand my business or enlarge my client base. I could be starting another business from one of the countless ideas I have floating around in my head, or building sweat equity into my home by completing one of the many projects on my to do list.

I have to remind myself that I still need time to relax and it's okay to sit around and be lazy with a sexy girl once in awhile.

I've no idea how the five plate guys do it.

[deleted] 11y ago

Yeah, to be honest, having a girlfriend or "spinning plates" seem like retarded ideas to me.

What an incredibly inefficient way to get laid. Instead, there's a far simpler and often overlooked option:

Take the time you spend juggling women
Use it to make more money
Buy prostitutes

Spinning plates just sounds like a crazy waste of time to me.

CyberFi 11y ago

I do enjoy the sarcasm, hoping that it's sarcasm.

redpillschool Admin 11y ago

Why wouldn't you focus on getting hot girls if that's what you want?

icanteventhecat 11y ago

Because I've yet to meet a man who wanted only that and was truly satisfied with his life. Sex is a need, not the primary goal.

loin_fruit 11y ago

I feel like for some guys they need more so to take the route of bettering themselves than just only focusing on trying to get women or plates. Yeah some guys can just jump right in there and spin plates or get a couple things going, but other guys it's not that easy. If you're the guy that can't seem to do it then might as well focus on yourself and strive to be a better man.

Also focus on being better first I would say, that way when the plates for some reason drop out of your life, you're so caught on doing your own thing that you don't give a damn.

ADarkerNight 11y ago

Finding, seducing, and molding women is a large component of my mission.

If people would rather sit with their dick in their hand to focus on empire building, it makes it easier to build my harem. I consider that an important part of my empire.

WindowsDoctor 11y ago

Damn the fucking ego on these guys lol.

[deleted] 11y ago

As I understand it the answer would be: Because focusing on building or doing something worthwhile will help in "getting hot girls" but not the other way around.

redpillschool Admin 11y ago

The idea that you have to trick yourself into getting good with women by pretending you're not trying is for idiots who need to lie to themselves to get things done.

As a man, I understand and realize my goals, and if that includes women, I'm not going to pussyfoot around that fact to trick my psyche thinking I'm not doing it for the poon.

Pretending you don't have the goal of getting hot women is just a way of protecting yourself from failure when you fail. Which you will if you don't fucking set a goal like a man.

bobby__peru 11y ago

The idea that you have to trick yourself into getting good with women by pretending you're not trying is for idiots who need to lie to themselves to get things done.

He never said you had to trick yourself into 'getting women' and I'm really struggling to understand how you even came to that conclusion. What he did say was that if you find success the women will come.

He even prefaced to say that if you want to spin plates, spin plates. He did suggest that maybe there are other good ways to get pussy. And still, I don't get how you think that trying to be successful in life means 'tricking yourself'.

For a mod here, your ability to intelligently participate in discussion is lacking.

[deleted] 11y ago

i have the lowest voted comment in this thread for making nearly the same observation, only wording it differently.

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TRPsubmitter 11y ago

The idea that you have to trick yourself into getting good with women by pretending you're not trying is for idiots who need to lie to themselves to get things done.

Agreed. I disagree with OP's post.

This strikes me as a defense mechanism. Basically: Let me define my "mission" as being "alpha and independent AS FUCK!" and then claim I'm not interested in women, so when I inevitably fail, I can say "nah bro! I'm not interested in chasing pussy anyway! I'm too fucking alpha for dat shit! She rejected me? Nah! I rejected her first!".

What OP says here:

Young men in your 20's and 30's should focus primarily on your mission...Do not spend time or effort into chasing women. If they chase you, you can choose to have them, but drop them if they interfere with your mission. Time is the most crucial thing for a man on a mission and is irreplaceable.

This doesn't register with me. What "mission" should we be on? Cause when it's Saturday night, I simply want to get laid. Simple. It's not that complicated.

Can you create new musical genre? End poverty in your hometown? No? How about something smaller. A new approach to coffee places?

Wtf?

kellykebab 11y ago

For people who want to build lasting projects that truly reflect their intelligence and efforts, bedding forgettable floozies is largely a distraction. It's probably more difficult to start a significant career later in life, but easier (for men) to pursue women long past their roaring 20's. The less one gives up every weekend during the time of life when they could be applying the peak of their mental and physical talents to work that will actually sustain them throughout their life (and possibly leave a legacy behind), the more genuine pride and self-satisfaction and the less jadedness and emotional exhaustion they will feel.

throwwhatthere 11y ago

I think there's another way of looking at this statement. This is mostly for the sake of other viewers, so please RPS don't think I'm trying to lecture you.

Banging hot women is a goal, and a reasonable one to be sure. But this statement seeks to encourage men to seek PRIMARY missions beyond that. It is, in other words, the Empire Builder's viewpoint. It suggests that a man should focus on building Rome as his primary mission.

It need not be seen as a dodge or cover to protect the ego of men who fail at the side mission of banging hot chicks (though it could easily serve this purpose). Caesar had a mission AND he fucked more or less whoever he wanted I'm sure. But we tend to remember (and as men respect) him more for the Empire and less for the chicks he fucked.

Now some would say, "Fuck making a lasting contribution to society beyond amplifying your assortment of genes." That's a matter of personal preference.

I think the above statement can be translated as this: It is better to be Caesar, than Casanova. Taken in that light it is an argument for a specific life strategy, and on a more holistic level than the more focused question of sexual strategy that TRP considers (with of course the caveat that good life strategy is good sexual strategy).

With all the new members people seems to be having trouble keeping the distinctions between overall life strategy, manliness, and sexual strategy clear in their posts.

redpillschool Admin 11y ago

It's fine if you want to do something great as well. But what I constantly hear on this forum are excuses not to pursue women. Fear of failure, fear of rejection, and now the proactive approach: I rather do this anyway, and maybe girls will love me if I do it.

Fucking christ. Just approach a woman.

This is men's rationalization hamster.

[deleted] 11y ago

There's too much focus on pussy here. I don't focus on my goals over women because I'm insecure, I focus on my goals because they are more interesting. Do you know how tedious meeting empty headed women is? Especially when you are educated and working in a professional field. I'd rather spend my time lifting and reading legal journals than attempting to explain the intricacies of my field and listening to the stupid stories of parties she has been to.

TRPsubmitter 11y ago

Fear of failure, fear of rejection, and now the proactive approach: I rather do this anyway, and maybe girls will love me if I do it.

I think many new guys view TRP as this new broteam™ they have found. They see the BP examples and have now found a community of guys who are laughing at womens' behavior and they feel vindicated vicariously.

It's like you have that bro chill night drinking beers for a few months in the summer; then your bros get gfs and you are like "no dude! we don't need girls! right?!?! We are a team! guyz! guyz????". And then you are suddenly left alone.

So instead, these guys try to redefine manhood as "not needing sex in the first place". "Let's just all stick together as Bros and do OUR OWN thing! Being independent from women is TRUE alphaness!".

Sorry but I want vagina too.

chakravanti93 11y ago

There are people here who have all different kinds of difficulty with women that are assisted by TRP in coming to a functional understanding of what they mean. Not everyone is a stereotype hung up on the fear of approach and rejection.

Furthermore, they're right. It doesn't matter if one woman or many are the focus of your life. You're looking at life the wrong way.

redpillschool Admin 11y ago

Tell me why it's wrong to have fucking beautiful women as one of my goals? I'll show you somebody who isn't fucking beautiful women.

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chakravanti93 11y ago

Yeah, probably because they're busy doing something worthwhile. That whole self-improvement rhetoric is for people without a primary goal because women and failure are their focus.

Most of them have already sublimated that away and TRP wants to remind you that the your sublimated value is no less a legitimate passion now that you've managed to get your head around how to handle women.

Many would substantiate damn near anything else to be worthwhile. Ivesting in women isn't supposed to be rewarding. It is the reward.

Don't toss the baby out with the bathwater.

redpillschool Admin 11y ago

I don't know why you're running around in circles here.

I'll show you somebody who isn't fucking beautiful women.

Yeah, probably because they're busy doing something worthwhile

Again, if you don't want sex, then fair game.

I'm not suggesting sex be your only goal.

But for some of us, it's something we do care about and we do focus on it. We're on the red pill: Discussion of sexual strategy. Not Red Pill: Discussion of pretending not to want pussy.

If somebody wants sex with a beautiful woman, I got news for you, it's not simple, it's not easy, and it does take work (for most guys). This very fact is the reason the entire subreddit exists.

Anybody believing that some other life goal of buying a boat, or getting good at tennis will somehow magically land him a hot babe is just trying to avoid facing failure, (or postpone dealing with it till another day).

Allow yourself goals that you can succeed at, but make sure they're goals you can fail at.

chakravanti93 11y ago

Yes, we're not quite in disagreement but I'd like reiterate that pussy ought never be one's primary goal. It is a functionally self destructive paradigm that serves the ghost of hamster.

Eloni 11y ago

Pretending you don't have the goal of getting hot women is just a way of protecting yourself from failure when you fail.

I don't have that goal. It's just a bonus of my other goals. However, I'd probably have it as a goal in itself if it wasn't.

I assume it's just a what you have/don't have thing. A few of my friends' professional goals are basically just having fun. However, if they had been as poor as I've been at times, then I'm pretty sure their professional goals would be the same as mine - make the most amount of money.

redpillschool Admin 11y ago

I don't have that goal. It's just a bonus of my other goals. However, I'd probably have it as a goal in itself if it wasn't.

So what you're saying is, if you never have sex again, or you die a virgin, you've fulfilled all your goals, no problems?

Eloni 11y ago

or you die a virgin

I'd have to go back in time. Would probably be worth it somehow. I could start a cult based on predictions of sporting events.

if you never have sex again

I'm saying that like certain types of food, I'd probably miss it if I didn't/couldn't get it when I wanted or needed it. But that at this time, I have what I want and focus on something else.

you've fulfilled all your goals, no problems?

No? I still have different goals, mostly in regards to traveling and competitions.

"Poor" people, virgins/homeless, need sex/money. Some middle class people are having sex/money. And then "rich" people make getting women/money a competition I guess.

While I would probably enjoy it if I won the lottery/got my own harem old Emperor style, amassing large amounts of wealth or slaying large amounts of pussy isn't my main goal.

redpillschool Admin 11y ago

Goals aren't mutually exclusive. You have have separate goals. But saying that bedding sexy women isn't one of them means:

You truly do not care, and therefore are perfectly happy with never having sex again.
You're a damned liar.

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Eloni 11y ago

Would you say your goal today is to listen to some songs you like? Eat some food you like? Watch a tv show or play a game or read a book you like? Have sex with a woman you like?

Sure, they're sorta goals I guess. Though I see is more as just part of life, while goals in my head would be more like... I dunno, free climb a 6b or sail across the north sea in a self built boat or learn yet another language.

Do you really not get what I'm saying, or are you just arguing for the sake of it?

redpillschool Admin 11y ago

If you aren't getting women now, and you want to get women, make it one of your goals.

If you are getting women now, like you listen to a song, or eat some food you like, fair enough.

If you aren't getting women now, and you make a plan to get into shape and buy a boat, don't lie to yourself about whether you want women, and whether it's a goal.

I know what you're saying, I'm telling you flat out, rationalizing is tool used by weak-willed people.

Make yourself goals. Make sure there is a clear path to failure. Strive. Achieve. Ignore the mediocre. Fuck it.

Eloni 11y ago

I know what you're saying

Which is

If you are getting women now, like you listen to a song, or eat some food you like, fair enough.

emptyform 11y ago

Of course, the deeper philosophical implications of "should I want this?" are up to the individual, but there's many practical reasons to not make them your mission even if you want tons of pussy--it's harder to get pussy when you prioritize it due to subcommunicating thirstiness, you have less time to invest in yourself so less time to raise your SMV by which you will acquire women of higher SMV, etc.

redpillschool Admin 11y ago

subcommunicating thirstiness,

This is one of my peeves. If you have a subcommunication problem, you have a control problem-- not a problem with goals.

Learn to control your communication. Don't change your goals because you can't.

For me- everything, body language, words, outward facial expressions are all entirely calculated and on purpose. I can't imagine living a life where you betray yourself because you don't know how not to look desperate. Dear lord.

emptyform 11y ago

I can't imagine living a life where you betray yourself because you don't know how not to look desperate. Dear lord.

Yeah, you're describing BP me and even early RP me, dear lord is right. So whether to make them your mission or not is dependent on where you are in the process. I'm coming from a former life where I lived very principled in being honest and not wanting to hold myself back, even as an RP man, because I got off on the supposed moral superiority of such a position. Only in the past 6 months to a year of my RP process have I made an effort to be 100% Machiavellian as I've found morality to be more and more of a bullshit concept. At any rate, it's more fun to win by tactics than lose by principle. That said, I needed to make spinning plates decidedly NOT my mission in order to eventually get to a point where I could prioritize them if and when I wanted to (I currently don't).

magx01 11y ago

Let's be honest: a ton of those '5 plates' preachers are full of shit.

magicalbird 11y ago

Context by being good looking enough to fit the threshold, in a big "progressive" city, and using the power of reputation for you.

A couple of guys I know that spin plates (I do serial monogamy so it isn't me) make it easy on themselves by getting one 7-9 sleep with them and literally bang her so well that she'll tell her friends and they all ride the alpha.

Pushnikov 11y ago

I'm at 5 plates and really didn't try that hard. I'm not the best at game either. I know it seems like a huge number - and it may sound like a humble brag - but seriously... I don't even know how I ended up with 5 plates. I see each once a week or sometimes every other week. So, it's not so time consuming.

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Let's be honest: a ton of those '5 plates' preachers are full of shit. Are they really? I think it's just easier to believe that they're lying, but your limits are not representative of others.

I'm not there yet, but I have a friend who's a natural. He knows nothing about trp, pickup, or manosphere, but he's essentially spinning 5 plates right now. One of them's an 8/10 blonde daughter of two doctors, the other's a fit runner, a random girl he picked up at bowling alley, etc.

Trpdoc 11y ago

Look, the young guys are just having fun. Nothing wrong with that. But here is what you need to know. All you below 25 right now are low-value. It's just the way it is. Only some of you will emerge from that stage as high value men. If you are focused right now on spinning plates you probably will fail. Not everyone, but the majority of men on this forum will not become high-value. You are not cool because you can spin plates. You are cool because you can bring actual value as a specialist to some venture.

CruiseCruise 11y ago

For most men, getting good with women is an important part of being a man.

Making this a focus for a while is not the worst idea.

BadgerBurger 11y ago

Everyone should have a mission apart from something vague like "bang more girls" or "get in better shape."

Train for a triathlon. Become conversational in French. Get a new job. Those are missions with goals you can set, and you'll emerge a better person for completing it.

CreepAcceptance 11y ago

Scott Adams (of Dilbert fame) has a similar suggestion but refers to them as systems instead of ~~goals~~ missons. The idea being that a system is good habit promoting (eg: go to the gym three times a week with continuous improvement) and endless. As Batman5991 suggests below, what happens when you get to your +100 bench?

http://dilbert.com/blog/entry/systems/

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BadgerBurger 11y ago

Agree with the part on vague goals. Really, anyone with drive has them.

I just mean that you should also have a mission. Something you're striving for that will take months to accomplish and goals long the way.

Teeklin 11y ago

I mean I'm glad it's working for you, I hope you do go ahead and end poverty and create a new musical genre or whatever. But for most (read: 99.999% of people that will ever live) people, that's not a reality.

Most people are ordinary. They have to find meaning in their lives knowing that they aren't ever going to be a beautiful and unique snowflake. They learn a trade, they work hard at it to earn a living and stake out their own little corner of the world, and they find someone to share that corner of the world with. They strive to be kind, to improve the lives of those around them, and to carry on their legacy with a family.

I know too many ordinary people who have seriously fucked up mental states because they believe they can "do anything" and are "destined for greatness" and don't understand that they will be working at regular people jobs doing regular people things for the rest of their lives. They have doomed themselves into a depressing, unfulfilled life because they can't find the happiness in being an ordinary person like the rest of us.

You should always strive to do your best at whatever you do, but there is plenty of pride in life being the best plumber you can possibly be. The best office worker. The best father. The best husband.

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Teeklin 11y ago

Hey that's great, go for it if you truly are an exceptional person with an exceptional idea.

In my experience, however, it's usually a normal person with a shitty idea and no real work ethic that ends up driving themselves crazy when their amazing dreams don't pan out.

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robesta 11y ago

It reminds me of fight club and the: "you are not a special snowflake."

TRPsubmitter 11y ago

Disagree 100% with this post.

Men want to get laid and want to figure out how to get laid. It's that simple.

There is no "mission". When it's Saturday night, I'm going to get a girl to come home with me. That's not sacrificing my "life mission" and it's not giving up power; I want sex and I'm going to get it.

Also, I believe this is indicative of a defense mechanism. You don't want to be in a position where you try to get pussy and then fail or get rejected, so you redefine manhood as not needing women AT ALL. That way if some girl does reject you, then you can claim "I didn't want her anyway. I have a mission!" Or when someone calls you out for not getting laid, you can say "Nah bro I don't chase pussy...I have a mission!"

This is just silliness because as men, we all want to fuck. And we're developing strategies to do so.

So stop with this silliness about telling guys to pursuing "a new approach to coffee places" instead of getting laid like rockstars. This is the same elitist logic computer geeks use in high school to look down on the popular handsome guys who they secretly wish they could be, but cannot, so they rationalize that they don't want "popularity, girls or money".

magicalbird 11y ago

OP makes it seem like sleeping with women is bad if it's a primary concern. Spreading your seed is sexual strategy and therefore priority number one because TRP is all about sexual strategy.

TRPsubmitter 11y ago

True. I have no idea how OP has made the primary goal of this subreddit:

Sexual strategy in a society increasingly lacking a positive identify for men

into an antithesis.

no_face 11y ago

Have no idea what you are disagreeing with. The post is about focusing on your mission over spinning large number of plates.

No mention of Saturday nights, ONS, sex, LTR, fear of rejection. Heck you could spin all the plates you want as long as you find time for your mission.

[deleted] 11y ago

Ok but why the hell are you coming into this sub and telling us what to do?

You're not the fucking boss of anybody, don't tell us we all need to have some epic mission. Some people here just want to bang hot chicks, and that's fine.

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SmellyJelly22 11y ago

Forming an emotional connection with another human being is a normal thing to want and there is nothing wrong with chasing it. In fact, I would venture to say that most of these guys who succeeded at their mission (a la Steve Jobs) were in a stable relationship. Being lonely is not a good thing. The thing that really fucks your life up is being with an unstable woman or constantly going in and out of relationships, getting dumped, dealing with petty drama, etc...

A lot of the guys here "spin plates" because they don't want to feel lonely. They don't trust women so they want several different options in case one of them drops out. "Spinning plates" IMO is a shitty strategy because like OP said it is way too much work and generally the only women who will accept being a "plate" are shitboxes.

pushuptonofap 11y ago

Man working on his mission gets the girl. Man working on the girl doesn't do his mission. Therefore man working on the girl doesn't get the girl.

[deleted] 11y ago

I purposely broke a "plate" of mine cause I gots to do home improvements on the weekends and she was boring. making time for dating was just too much of a waste of my time.

the whole plate concept in general is sometimes offputting to this sub, even as a male.

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magicalbird 11y ago

serial monogamy is staring you in the face and it's a nice alternative for a busy man/lazy man.

robesta 11y ago

the whole plate concept in general is sometimes offputting to this sub, even as a male.

Why? What's wrong with seeing multiple women? Nobody is forcing you to spin plates. If you want to get married and "live happily ever after", no one is stopping you. Personally, I find divorce rape "off putting."

[deleted] 11y ago

there's nothing wrong with "spinning plates", other than a few of the braggarts on these forums make it sound a lot more like mental masturbation, than a sport.

also - funny you mention divorce rape, it's an accurate analogy for what happens to men in court!

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robesta 11y ago

I don't like the notion that spinning plates is morally reprehensible, which seems to me like what he was implying. If he wants to imply that, he should back it up logically.

[deleted] 11y ago

i was not implying anything morally wrong with "spinning plates"

robesta 11y ago

Maybe I'm just defensive after spending too much time on the purple pill. :)

[deleted] 11y ago

wait, is that a reddit too?

robesta 11y ago

Yeah, it's red pill and blue pill people arguing with one another.

Marsupian 11y ago

Don't tell me what to do.

Also it's a pretty moot point as if spinning plates is your mission your aim of banging better quality chicks will automatically force you to put time into improving yourself. At this point it's more of a chicken/egg discussion.

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FuckWhatDoIPutHere 11y ago

What about love? IDK if I'm barking up the right tree in this subreddit but the relationship I had/am reestablishing with my ex is definitely one of the larger points of my life... I live for my career, to have a beer and get lost in the woods, but being the best lover and friend to her I can be is way up there on my life's priority list.

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SwimmingDutch 11y ago

You are not barking up the wrong tree you are borderline trolling. If you had spent any/more time reading what this place is about you would know that.