Okay, so this topic has been bothering me for quite some time.
I'm in my mid twenties, 26 too be precise. All of my dating "career" I've been mostly hooking up with girls at my age or very close too it. Some occasional 32 year old post wall girl that was fine for the night being with one or two too many drinks inside my system. Or the 19 year old turbo slut filled with tattoos and thirty seven other red flags have slipped passed, but that's more an exception then the norm.
I've never been the complete chump, i was fortunate enough too hang out with the real Chads in high school which actually made me score with this chicks when i was younger. But that was more out of luck and access than anything else really.
Enough rambling, the point of this post..
Girls between 18-21, who are they actually fucking? Normal looking 18-21 year old girls. Thin, tattoo free, somewhat feminine, natural hair-colored girls.
I've spent the whole summer prioritizing girls in this age bracket, mainly because that's the girls i wanna hook up with, but also to figure out if my thesis was correct or not. And all i can say is that i have struck out completely. My general feeling is that they enjoy the attention, but any attempt at escalation have brought me nowhere. I would estimate that I've approached 30~ girls in this age bracket last year, maybe 10~ of them were a lasting conversation of more than 5 minutes. Didn't manage to close a single one.
Is it a generational thing? (Think Gen Z social awareness as a retard) Is it a societal thing? (Think age gap too big, and they doesn't want too get judged by their relatives) Is it a cultural thing? (For some reason i think this isn't as uncommon in Eastern Europe, Asia etc where people are more conservative)
I have no idea.. The straw that broke the camels back, was a few hours ago at the gym. I was resting between my sets at a machine. Two girls doing the same at the machine next too me, was talking to each other about "a cute/handsome boy" across the room.
I looked over and see the biggest TikTok-scrawny-ass-centerparted-haircut looking geek i've seen.
(Think this look, but worse: https://junkyard.imgix.net/globalassets/09-inspiration/2021/v13/streetwear-by-junkyard/springtime_aestethics5.jpg?auto=format&w=600)
This specific case is truly anecdotal, but i thought i might share it just because that's what's making me frustrated enough to write this post. I refuse to believe that these geeks are the only ones hooking up with these girls, it goes against every Red pill metric I know about at least.
Some perspective, my game is solely based in "real life". Bars, clubs, and cold approach, i don't do any Online Game. I have no friends in my age (or older), that is hooking up with this chicks. (too clarify, my friends that I've talked to are between 24-29) I'm at the highest SMV I've ever been, i have no problems hooking up with girls at my age.
I would be really pleased too get some input from you older guys (30+). According to a few RP "gurus", the pendulum swing the other way once you hit 30. But I've never seen a real life example of it yet as i can remember, and i have no friends that has any clue of what they are doing dating wise that i can check with.
Input from you guys, say between 23-30 is also much appreciated of course, i can't be the only one that has experienced this?
Cheers.
mattyanon Admin 2y ago
Cliques. You're not in theirs. So you've got more work to do to seem both part of their crowd and not their beta friends.
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SgtBuchannon99 2y ago
Honestly its usually a young guy with decent male friends, good hygiene, OK style, decent social skills.
I used to drive for uber, so i would see firsthand who these girls would be picking up for bootycalls at late night with my own eyes, who their actual boyfriends were. It was like seeing behind the curtain. I want to say almost 100% of the time the guy wasnt giddy or childish usually. But i wouldnt say he was alpha either.
NeoSpartan 2y ago
I've been doing online so I have a lot of raw numbers on this and... it seems the average age girls go for is like 2-4 years older than them. But there are definitely exceptions. Dunno about the average type, I've gotten interest from some in that range, but it's mostly been 22-30s. I'm clean cut looking, 28 and fairly jacked.
whytehorse2021 2y ago
It's interesting to study this. It changes over time and women are terrible at choosing men. My guess would be they are fucking college athletes, famous musicians, anybody they perceive as exciting. I don't have time for this but you could go look at the "influencers" on social media and that's generally where the sisterhood has their heads.
I've heard women use seeking arrangement sites to meet rich men. Fresh and fit talk about these "sponsored" women. They all leave their home towns and go to places like Miami or LA. They don't work, just look pretty and party with rich guys.
NeoSpartan 2y ago
I live in LA. Apparently there's quite a few of them working as au pairs. They will also fuck guys aren't rich but who they think are hot :D
whytehorse2021 2y ago
Oh, then they're fucking actors and rappers.
NeoSpartan 2y ago
I was referring to myself and I'm neither, just a regular clean cut white dude who goes to the gym a few times a week. But I have dated a couple D level actresses(one was from Colombia but she was kind of a bitch) and have contact info for two hot Brazilian chicks. Claim to be coming over next summer. I'm going to "show them around LA" and "trade personal training for kisses".
Having an 8 pack is pretty cool XD But I'm sure you're right in many cases, and I probably won't be the only guy they'll be fucking. Cest la vie. Could be worse.
hannulv 2y ago
The hottest guys in the world: https://www.allkpop.com/upload/2021/05/content/111235/web_data/allkpop_1620751102_untitled-1.jpg
https://youtu.be/XsX3ATc3FbA
NeoSpartan 2y ago
Uhhh. wut? They look like trannys :/ I think this is just media bs.
hannulv 2y ago
No joke. My daughter and her friends have them plastered on their walls.
NeoSpartan 2y ago
Oh. Yeah makes sense then I suppose. Sort of like Justin Bieber. That dude also looked kina girly. No joke, first time I heard his baby song I thought it was chick singing. 13-15 year old girls have interesting tastes. Tbh though I think they just gravitate towards whatever they perceive to be what the bandwagon is. Extremely impressionable age, that.
hannulv 2y ago
My daughter is older than that, but sure.
It was the same when I was a kid. Young girls were obsessed with the waifu boys in 'New Kids on the Block' and women in their mid twenties+ were obsessed with Tom Selleck. There seems to be a age/maturity point where girls move from attraction to guys that are non-threatening to guys that are threatening. I just think 18-21 year olds are more likely to be in that arrested development state where they'd pick a boy that is pretty over one that is jacked and hairy. Whereas most girls over 25 would pick Henry Cavill over a femboy.
NeoSpartan 2y ago
I think this definitely accurate. The few 18-21s that have been interested in me have been like sort of abnormal ones with sub kinks. Probably has both to do with my age and muscularity. Also, apparently I reminded one of ted bundy lmao. Which.... alright XD 25 is pretty much my average though I'd say.
hannulv 2y ago
The kink girls have some sort of damage, they seem to mostly break down along different lines of domination and humiliation. I've even read stuff by some of them where they fantasize about being gang raped by fat, short, old, bald men. I think they are just working through some past trauma at that point.
NeoSpartan 2y ago
Wow. Most of them that I've come into contact with have said things about liking guys who look nice but are bad or something. I'm clean cut af but pretty jacked so I think that's the appeal. I definitely look like I could easily dominate them physically. They've all looked clean as well, no tats or etc. Good girls with a naughty side or w/e. Yet to hook up with any yet. Came close last weekend but I dunno, I'm kind of a noob at that type of girl, I think I fucked up somehow. Was doing really good at the beginning... :/ I don't think she was that hardcore though. The most suggestive thing she said was to tell me she loved spankings.