So I have been kinda half involved in this for a while by accident. My ex was a real example of AWALT and I was BP as fuck. I turned cold and fucked about with women for years now and realised the less I cared the lore they wanted me, not even on purpose just genuinely didn’t actually care.
Anyway I stumbled on this stuff from YTers like Steph is cold and Taylor the fiend whilst being on a journey of self improvement and life made a lot more sense.
Anyway I have posted this story on a comment here and couldn’t figure out how to post. Here is a field report from a date I had last week and one of the first I’ve closed since being aware.
Met a half Pakistani and English f29 on hinge. Talked for a bit and set up a date, she’s about and 8/9 body wise and 7/8 face and 8/9 personality and accent.
Anyway it was such an experience just holding frame. Another guy was on a first date with a girl near us as a bar and his date said to me that you look ripped (I don’t I’ve put on muscle but nowhere near where I want to be) and I couldn’t believe the nerve of women. She constantly disrespected her date like this ( she went to sit with another group of guys whenever he was away at the toilet or ordering drinks ) maybe because he was buying her everything but he still closed.
Anyway this comment the girl made probably made my date into me more as it was social proof and made her want me more.
Anyway she invites me back to here for wine. Start doing stuff and then she’s like we’re not having sex both doing this for a bit and she’s insistent so I go fair enough another time I’m going.
When I tell you her pants couldn’t come off fast enough, she dragged me from her living room to her room to fuck her brains out.
Such simple creatures.
unplugged69 2y ago
Lol yes that shit works every time, I also personally like to say "you're right we shouldn't" then pull away, look into her eyes a few seconds and then kiss her as if I'm overcome with passion. But yes the freeze out or saying you have to go works every time.
As for that whore on a first date, this is what men need to hear. Don't feel bad for rejecting bitches, because if you remember from your BP days or just pay attention around you, women are BRUTAL and they reject guys in the most fucked up ways. By disrespecting them, cucking them, etc. So next time you feel bad for a whore after she brings out the waterworks, remember those experiences and kick her to the curb.
OPPTRP 2y ago
I never said she was a whore or were you generalising
unplugged69 2y ago
I was generalizing, they're ALL whores. Once you internalize that it's a lot easier to deal with them and make objective decisions.
OPPTRP 2y ago
For sure brother. I was like she seems fun but then said she’s mates with someone she slept with. In the plate position she goes
unplugged69 2y ago
indeed, LTRs are very undesirable these days. When one pops up you will see her. I see a lot of guys saying stuff like "well I don't want to mate guard but should I be doing X, Y, Z". The answer is that if she's LTR material she will actually mate guard herself and make sure she's never in situations that could make you doubt her loyalty. It is more rare these days but you can definitely still find girls like that, ultimately they're all whores but some behave better than others if they really care about you and want to lock you down.
OPPTRP 2y ago
You talk some real sense. I’m seeing her again this weekend.
Should I say it in a nonchalant way that this is the reason I wouldn’t LTR her ( won’t bring it up unless she does) would this change anything? Probably not
unplugged69 2y ago
Okay that's a great question, so let's say that you have 3 plates, and you are obviously ALWAYS watching and observing their actions and behaviours and checking for red flags. Let's say you see a few red flags with a plate, and then she brings up the "what are we talk". You don't say to her "well you go out a lot and drink, and all your friends are sluts, so you are not LTR material. I will fuck you but that's it".
That's what a man would do, very straightforward, very reasonable, but women don't think like men so don't talk to them like that. Instead think of what women do to men when they don't want to lock them down because they're too beta. They give vague answers, they say shit like "oh I'm just looking to have fun right now", etc etc.
So basically never tell a woman shit, never explain your decisions. If you don't want to LTR her because she gives out slut vibes, then just say shit like "I need to get to know you better" and "i'm not looking for a relationship but I'm open to one with the right person, let's keep getting to know eachother" or the classic "I don't have any concrete plans for the future but all I know is that when I'm with you I'm with YOU!" (and kiss). Basically do the shit women do, string her along. Eventually of course if you don't offer committment she will bounce and select another guy down her list.
Don't feel bad, you see all women are naturally spinning plates and have abundance mentality. They didn't have to learn it from rollo, they were born with it or maybe society trained them. The point is she has a list of guys, so when she wants a relationship she goes and asks Chad and chad tells her to fuck off. Then she asks you and you tell her "let's take things slow" and when she doesn't get that either she goes and asks billy beta and he is SO happy to be her cuck he doesn't realise that after 2 weeks she starts texting you again and suddenly you're cumming on her face while billy beta is waiting for a reply to his text that never came.
It's actually insane how many women will go through this rotation like they are NPCs, I would say 80-90%. Then you'll get the rare 10% which are either insane and will love bomb you and you need to watch out, or they're good and reliable and maybe not as hypergamous as the others. The latter is what you want to LTR, but remember she's always a whore until proven innocent by her actions not her words.
If you do meet a woman who's LTR worthy, make sure you drop hints throughout the vetting process like "oh I could never date a woman who contacts her ex-BFs" or "I don't date women who go out clubbing without their boyfriend" and shit like that, it's best if it's a response to a story of hers or someone else brings it up, then it feels more natural to give your opinion. She will get the hint. Ultimately even if you stumble upon someone who is LTR material, a woman is like water and you are the container, she will take a different shape based on you. That's why when a new bitch starts going on about fucking astrology you then find out she met a chad 2 weeks ago who is really into it and now she's found her true calling. You need to be that chad and shape her into even better LTR material than she was originally, it's just that you shouldn't waste your time doing this with the ones who are too slutty because you are wasting your precious time.
coolsocks00 1 2y ago
On the subject of vetting and displaying some boundaries e.g. "i would never date a girl who keeps in touch with an ex". How do you like to answer when you get these turned against you? Obv not the ex example as exes are dropped, but say that early on she blurts out something like "i need a monogamous guy". I can play it vague which can be a bit weak i feel, or just straight up show that i dgaf and imply that i wont be
unplugged69 2y ago
If she is displaying boundaries to you then she's trying to get you in her frame, treat her like a brat and ignore. Women talking about monogamy is a fucking oxymoron anyway, these bitches wouldn't know monogamy if it hit them in the face.
All women say they don't want players, but who do they date? Players! We know what works, the key is to not explicitly state you are a player, there's an inbetween middle ground where you're basically Schrodinger's player, you both are and aren't a player at the same time. Hit that note and their panties will get wet.
Men and women are attracted to different things, women want promiscuous guys but men want slutty women who are monogamous, a slut but only for them. Unfortunately none of us are getting what we want, that's the dating game unfortunately and we settle for the reality not what we wish we had.
coolsocks00 1 2y ago
Agree man. Usually just treating such situations as shit tests. A good response can put you nicely into the category of "this guy fucks but isnt overt or braggy about it" and if it's not over- or underplayed girls seem to love it even if their goal is to lock you down, which might be almost impossible for the chick to do. They just seem to get momentarily blinded by this.
Also funny that many girls seem to have actually realised they are like this and will almost tell you upfront that's the reason they want to avoid going to your place on the first date, because they will definitely fuck you.
OPPTRP 2y ago
That’s some knowledge there, I’m too tempted to bring it up and see her weak reasoning but again never reason with a woman
unplugged69 2y ago
Haha well it's your call, the thing about IDGAF is that you do what you want. Sometimes you want to test shit and make sure that a certain behaviour gives you a bad result. If you don't mind breaking this plate go ahead, ultimately it's all a game with no meaning so do what you want and learn from it. Report back if you do, I'd be interested to hear the outcome :)
OPPTRP 2y ago
I don’t mind because I truly dgaf I feel sometimes holding onto that stuff can make you outcome dependent
whytehorse2021 2y ago
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and make an observation that a bunch of these women are following /r/FemaleDatingStrategy which is horrible advice women give other women to withhold sex to control men. In reality, it's a shit test that's easy to pass and they just end up getting played anyway. The whole premise is that women believe beta men should exclude themselves and make it easier for women to find the real alphas. Hence the "We're not having sex" line. A beta would would say "Yes, ma'am" or try to use logic to convince her to have sex but an alpha would say "Bye Felicia". It is a really stupid game and easy to win but if that's how they want to play, may the best man win.
OPPTRP 2y ago
Exactly, why invite me back to yours to not have sex. I would have gone back home straight after the bar then
whytehorse2021 2y ago
Rules are for betas. "No hook ups", "no ONS", "no FWB", etc. My wife broke every rule imaginable to get and keep me. Ignored her parents, her religion, common sense, etc.
OPPTRP 2y ago
It’s a form of shit test, in different countries I would and wouldn’t listen though
Initial-Glove 2y ago
Hot
Oh I can hear it now
So... You just left the other girl at the bar? With that beta?
OPPTRP 2y ago
It’s northern England. Yeah I don’t think I could have managed both on the first date tbh she chatted with us for a bit and was hands on to say the least.
If I had a more solid knowing of the mixed girl then that’s another story