I posted this as a comment in another thread, but I've noticed a huge increase lately in direct links to feminist websites and blogs on TRP's front pages. I'll leave the case-by-case situations to the mods, but just a friendly reminder to the newbies:
Direct linking to femi-blogs is against the "Posting Rules and Guidelines" for a reason. As most of us already know but some may not, it feeds actual money to these websites and blogs via ad revenue.
What they are essentially doing is "click whoring". You might as well just stroll into a National Organization for Women office and just give them a $20 bill. Or donate $50 to a campaign to expand VAWA to include stare-rape. Or stroll into an abortion clinic and pay for some random slut's alpha mistake. Or, as I often say, support your local single mothers by stuffing dollars into their thongs at strip clubs, and make them actually earn money for their whoring.
Instead, create a donotlink link at donotlink.com, and post that.
/psa
EDIT 3: I'm seeing a lot of people losing their shit in the comments about "censoring" or "banning" or other such shit. Listen: NOBODY IS SAYING YOU CANNOT PRESENT FEMI-HAMSTERING FROM THESE SITES, and nobody is talking about banning anybody (unless you wantonly violate hard rules, and that's up to mods). We all enjoy laughing at/ridiculing feminists as much as the next guy. It's just that the "old guard" here is asking that we do it in the way that has ALWAYS BEEN THE RULES on TRP. This is nothing new. We do not drive traffic to the sites listed below, PERIOD. Financial reasons aside, we simply do not believe in boosting their "unique user traffic" numbers. They use data like "new viewers" the same way we do, and there is no good reason to help them artificially inflate their "fan base". We have over 72,000 subs now. We need to be responsible about which parts of the inter web we validate with our attention, just like you do with your LTRs/plates.
Just read the "Posting Rules & Guidelines", which I'm sure you did, since it's in the SIDEBAR, and like any good new sub on TRP, you heeded the advice of the mods and you read the sidebar. "No direct linking" to these sites has always been a rule, and "post links in a TEXT POST with a summary and thoughtful editorial included has always been preferential.
EDIT 2: Some of the more interweb savvy have recommended archive.today instead of donotlink. Good call /u/FagCocoOil.
EDIT: /u/SoftHarem has a great idea. Anyone please feel free to add to the list of sites that should be blacklisted. Currently it really only has Jizzabel, Huffington Post-Wall, and a few others. I'll start:
- themarysue.com - as I said in the other thread, this is an Anita Sarkeesian wet dream
- feministing.com - this is a no fucking brainer
- feminspire.com - this one'll make you puke in your soup
- xojane.com - h/t /u/thisiswhyidontpost good call, forgot about this vaginal bloodrag
- dailymail.co.uk - not feminist, but definitely sensationalist; up in the air on banning this one h/t /u/garlicextract
- everydayfeminism.com - h/t /u/Clbull the title alone means this one needs no introduction
- goodmanproject.com - h/t /u/Clbull "good man project", look around for a minute and it's really "Good Beta Project"
- buzzfeed.com - h/t /u/redpill_lurker if you have interest in reading about Niki Minaj and other cunts who dye their hair stupid colors, or taking stupid Cosmo-style gyno-quizzes, then you have much further travel left on your way down TRP rabbit hole and shouldn't be posting yet
- gizmodo.com - h/t /u/redpill_lurker
- techcrunch.com - h/t /u/We_Are_Legion
- theverge.com - h/t /u/We_Are_Legion
- The entire Gawker network - h/t /u/We_Are_Legion
- livejournal.com - h/t /u/We_Are_Legion
- tumblr.com - h/t /u/We_Are_Legion behind IG, this is the premier female validation engine, should be no need to direct link here
- upworthy.com h/t /u/87GNX
TRiPdonGame 9y ago
Clickbait site <likesharetweet.com>. A clear case of "like Tumblr but..."
Credit discovery to /u/si1as in a recent post.
87GNX 9y ago
Upworthy.com should likewise be off-limits. Doubly so since they're essentially just a wrapper for YouTube videos.
svogliate 9y ago
There is a second purpose to this list of websites: if you're married or in an LTR, check your gal's browser history. If more than a few percent of what she visits and reads is in this list, you may want to reconsider your long term future with this lass. Because one day it's all going to turn to shit soup on you; you have been warned.
If you'd like to be able to read the internet without accidentally giving money to sites you disagree with, consider Adblock. The ads aren't even downloaded, so there's no display or clickthrough revenue from them.
FagCocoOil 9y ago
No, stop with the donotlink.com thing. When you click a donotlink.com url you are still visiting the page from your IP and giving them page views. Not to mention that DNL is created by a mega SJW and promotes their agenda.
Use archive.today instead.
JP_Whoregan 9y ago
Good call. I wasn't sure which one to use. I'll update.
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FagCocoOil 9y ago
I might be wrong about the author, but still, the main page is full of links to feminist sites. Look at the discussions tab.
lixaxil 9y ago
Since TRP already has bots for automatically deleting post of fresh accounts. Would it be hard to make it so that when a user posts a link to a website on a predetermined blacklist the post gets automatically deleted and the user gets a pm detailing how to is something like archive.today.
RedBigMan 9y ago
I always thought a better method would be compiling a list of manosphere centric sites (blogs, MRA stuff, PUA stuff) and whitelisting that content for direct linking but forcing the use of archive.today for everything else.
However, your method of acquiring a blacklist of feminist dominated crap and blacklisting it is also better than the status quo we have right now.
Perhaps it may be prudent to also collect a whitelist of manosphere blogs in addition to a blacklist of feminist bullshit sites.
Clbull 9y ago
Would you say goodmenproject.com and everydayfeminism.com are also blacklist-worthy?
JP_Whoregan 9y ago
Seeing as how GMP has articles right now titled "Discussing The Cycle of Male Verbal Abuse" and "Marriage Equality Starts With the Name", which is about a man taking a woman's last name in marriage and vice versa...yep. Great ban-hammer candidate.
The second one speaks for itself. Ugh.
HardPillToSwallow 9y ago
Can I just say JP Whoregan is a great name? I wish I had been in a funny mood when I created my account.
Huffington Post Wall is also brilliant.
For short things screenshots also work, but I imagine most of us knew that.
icallmyselfmonster 9y ago
This post is essentially a big concern troll. On top of that, everybody is self flagellating on how the red pill is a beacon of being able to speak ones minds. To me post like this is just as bad as /r/askhamsters and their safezones and inordinate amount of rules.
I hardly ever post links, and I most definitely am never going to post any, for fear of breaching some arbitrary rule so I don't upset the safe zone.
csehszlovakze 9y ago
Tumblr is a hot bed of feminism and social justice warriors...
IllimitableMan 9y ago
Daily Mail, whether you like the paper or not, is not worth banning. If you're going to ban Daily Mail for being sensationalist you may as well ban returnofkings for being sensationalist. Daily Mail do pro-feminist articles as well as articles which make women look bad. In England its popular to hate on the daily mail and disregard it as right wing bullshit, but its about as biased as any other paper out there, not worth blacklisting IMO, it doesn't fit the same profile as the other sites on the list.
anonlymouse 9y ago
I agree with this. DM has some of the best anti-feminist articles out there. What they have going for them is that they're not politically correct, and they never will be. They don't care about offending anyone.
They post BS at times too, but that's hard to avoid when you have a schedule of articles that need to be written to stick to.
JP_Whoregan 9y ago
Oh, I'm not being the final arbiter here. I'm just being the hunter-gatherer for the mods. Anybody that posts a suggestion, I'll throw it up there for consideration. What gets the ban-hammer is ultimately up to SoftHarem and the mod team.
sniperhiding 9y ago
Rather than a blacklist, what about it white list? Since feminism is every where, assume that it's on all sites until proven innocent. Lol.
thelandofdreams 9y ago
Out of curiosity I went to some of the websites you mentioned.
Now I'm shivering in the corner with a blanket and a hot bowl of soup.
click-raped
JP_Whoregan 9y ago
You better check your click-privelige, shitlord!
Kyuzo_ 9y ago
I mistakenly did the same thing.
Hoping some single malt can wash away the stigma of my male/straight/western/educated/cis/etc privilege
prodigyx 9y ago
Glad to see the mods & community stepping up and being responsible with our ever-growing numbers.
I was wondering why we can't post links to other TRP posts in here. I understand why we can't post links to other subs, that makes a lot of sense. But someone posted recently asking for some TRP recommended books, and I commented with a link to a post here from a couple months ago, and the bot removed my comment even though it was a link to a post on this sub.
JP_Whoregan 9y ago
It's because the bot doesn't know the difference between a trp x-link and an outside x-link. If they got rid of the bot and had to police it manually, it'd be a pain in the ass.
prodigyx 9y ago
Ah got it. So to direct people to other TRP posts, I should use archive.today, or just tell them the title so they can search for it.
JP_Whoregan 9y ago
bingo.
addingthepointlesstextsotheshortpostbotdoesntautodeletemypost.
duglock 9y ago
Banning dailymail sets you up for a slippery slope and it is subjective on what constitutes a valid site.
outercourse 9y ago
Letting women vote set up a slippery slope as to what constituted a valid opinion.
Jar_of_apples 9y ago
No that started when we let anyone vote based on just the simple matter of being the citizen of a country. Allowing women the vote just was a further degradation, and slide down into the hellfires of democracy.
nuc22 9y ago
I read that as feminfisting.com..oops..my bad
JP_Whoregan 9y ago
don't feel bad, I often satirize it as "femi-fisting".
redpill-lurker 9y ago
Buzzfeed, Cracked, Jezebel, Salon, Slate, and Gizmodo are others that don't deserve revenue from our sub.
JP_Whoregan 9y ago
Salon, Slate, Jezebel, and Cracked are already on the original list on "Posting Rules & Guidelines". And rightfully so, they are blue pill/feminist fronts/rags for male apologists. But in the interest of inclusion, I'll add Buzzfeed and Gizmodo to the consideration list.
I understand buzzfeed, but what is the logic for nominating Gizmodo?
knotbot 9y ago
Same network. I don't play many video games, but following the #GamerGate drama has shown me how SJWs have tried to move their chess piece forward in any male dominated group, including the ones we might also be critical of, behaviorally. Gamers who reject this invasion have put together a blacklist of sites they're refusing to give clicks to, for the same reasons we want to avoid clicking on links. So, while most sites aren't on topic for TRP, here's some pre-chewed food, dude.
http://makealist.com/content/quinngategamergate-boycott-list
Edit: they've made their own adblock plus filter list and hosted it on github. Leave it to the computer jocks to use the tools correctly. I'm going to look into this.
JP_Whoregan 9y ago
I play maybe 2 hours of PS4 a week, at most, so I'm not really in the "gamer" community and ignorant on a lot of this shit. Thanks for clarifying.
alex-zheng 9y ago
I venture a guess that it's because gizmodo and Jezebel are owned by the same company.. Though I have nothing against gizmodo. Their content is usually up my alley.
SoftHarem 9y ago
Appreciate the moderation help Mr. Whoregan. If anyone has any sites they feel need to be blacklisted kindly list them here. I am updating our Automoderator today, and will be rolling out the changes to the rest of the RP network this evening. Feed me your feminist garbage so we can keep it out of our communities.
Edit: Thank you to everyone who contributed. The list has been updated and rolled out to the communities.
Squeezymypenisy 9y ago
I don't see why most of this is posted here anyway? I came to TRP for self-improvement, fitness, it's ideas, and some of its PUA tactics from time to time. I do not see why TRP needs a Men's Rights section when there is already an entire subreddit devoted to that topic. I understand there are a lot of guys still in the anger phase, but you all will get out of it eventually.
JP_Whoregan 9y ago
Everybody is aware that /r/mensrights is already a subreddit. So is /r/askmen, and a few other "pro men" subs that I can't think of right now.
Why does this stuff come up here? A couple reasons, but the primary one is this: language. We are willing to say things here, and say them in a way that is brutally honest, without a veil of political correctness. That is the difference between TRP and other subs that feature elements of MRA.
/u/Archwinger wrote a phenomenal dissertation today, that you should read, that will better iterate what I'm saying. The guy's a great writer. It was just posted today, so if you read his post history it should be near the top.
TRP is indeed about self-improvement, but it's also about understanding women and their true nature. A lot of these "femi-blogs" can provide invaluable insight from "within the hen house", and when you read them through a TRP prism, you start to understand TRP concepts a lot more succinctly. We just don't want people hot-linking these articles, hence the point of my post today.
RedBigMan 9y ago
Another reason why MRA and other stuff end up on here is because subs like AskMen have with TRP members pulling out of those subs become dominated by beta males and white knights.
Try telling some chick who's 35 on ask men why noone wants her and you'll find yourself banned from the sub rather quickly... When every man instinctively knows that the older a woman gets the more exponentially higher she will become a spinster with a dozen or so cats occupying her house.
Squeezymypenisy 9y ago
Makes sense. I am usually of the opinion that when climbing the ladder everyone is fair game, since no one is in business for love. And any piece of knowledge is useful, especially if it deals with human nature and relationships. Thanks for the info bro, I'll check out his dissertation.
Dr_Bishop 9y ago
Stare-rape just become part of my lexicon.
FLFTW16 9y ago
If someone write a post with a direct link to HuffPo I am no longer going to grace the comment section with an in depth analysis, driving yet more traffic to huffpo, giving them more money. I will simply write "OP is a faggot" in teh comments. And you are, if you give huffpo free money.
anonlymouse 9y ago
There's a difference between HuffPo US and HuffPo UK. The former is feminist shit, the latter is actually balanced.
Mild111 9y ago
That's like saying "my date only has herpes on her mouth"..... just turn and walk away
anonlymouse 9y ago
Bad analogy. HPUK has pro-men articles. More MR than RP, but we do have a MR flair here.
Mild111 9y ago
no its not a bad analogy, the whole point of this whole thread, is to not give your money or attention to support poisonous organizations....just because one wing of HuffPo posts a few good things, doesn't mean we should give their advertisers any incentive to fork over cash to be used on feminist bullshit on their other pages.
anonlymouse 9y ago
We do want them getting advertising money for the good articles so they start publishing more of them.
Mild111 9y ago
That's not the way media works. Sites usually don't place ads on only one kind of article. They are paid for aggregate clicks, and estimated demographics. The site itself might make a designation between number of clicks per page/article, but it isn't going to factor into their ad revenue in a positive way for anti-feminists.
anonlymouse 9y ago
They're going to track views for each article independent of how ad-revenue is tracked.
Mild111 9y ago
And we're never going to win the battle of views against the vaginal circle jerk. at least on a site like that.
anonlymouse 9y ago
Not with that attitude. Again, HPUK isn't the same as HPUS.
Buchloe 9y ago
Puke in your soup. Going to bed with a smile tonight.
NakedAndBehindYou 9y ago
It's unlikely that they make any money if you are using Adblock, which I sincerely hope everyone here is using.
ferrum_cadmiae 9y ago
Adblock. Ghostery. Privacy Badger.
The problem isn't that you are not going to give them any money, it's where someone else who hasn't secured their browser would inadvertently give them money. archive.today is the Vasagel of hyper-linking. Who's to say that these sites aren't hoping you click on their content bait so they can break your anonymity and drop dox?
JP_Whoregan 9y ago
True, but I don't think AdBlock erases the fact that you clicked through to the website. And while AdBlock may stop the ad from generating and therefore denying the site the pennies for that click, the click still gets added to the visitors per month count for the site. This, in turn, allows the site to command more pennies per click the next time they are negotiating with potential advertisers.
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JP_Whoregan 9y ago
again, people seem to be missing the point. It's not just a "few hundredths of a cent". It's "just a few hundredths of a cent" when you click it. But when you take that link back to Reddit, post it to TRP, and it winds up on the front page, you're looking at thousands more potential clicks that would not have happened otherwise.
Now, that feminist website that got "a few thousandths" of a penny off YOUR click, is now gonna get 1000X that (or more) because their link was direct-linked on a pro-man website who's only viewing it to ridicule and/or critique it. The internet doesn't care; a click is a click.
Secondly, yes, when you drop $5.99 to buy a magazine, you are indeed supporting the content within it, whether you agreed or support it or not.
Nobody's saying to not read the content. We're saying be responsible in how you post it, and just follow the rules that have been in place for years. That's all.
icallmyselfmonster 9y ago
Dude you are relying too much on a slippery slope argument.
Red_August 9y ago
I.. I have just gone to see "feminspire" against my better judgment. I saw "Body positive selfies" and "tampons to fender off rapists" and "period shaming"... and... aaaaaahhh ahhhhhhhhh oh my ...aaaaaaahhhhh noooo- i have seen evil, pure, pure unadulterated evil, and she's fat. I can't sleep.
JP_Whoregan 9y ago
I found the tampon dagger especially amusing.
"That's ok, sweetheart, I wasn't gonna rape you in the pussy, silly little girl!"
RejectionEquality 9y ago
Except it's more like a $0.02 bill (per click).
JP_Whoregan 9y ago
But if your one single post of an article is responsible for 1000 subsequent click-throughs by other TRP'ers clicking your link, you just made that femi-blog an easy $20 that they wouldn't have had otherwise.
It's not unreasonable to assume that level of click-throughs nowadays; we have over 70,000 subs. 1000, therefore is only 1 in 7 subs clicking through a top-voted article on a fem sub. Why do we want to help femi-blogs make an extra $20 a day that they don't deserve? Nobody's trying to "ban" the content itself; we're just saying to use archive.today to present it here.
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[deleted] 9y ago
xojane.com, although it's not often linked here. But I've seen it a few times.
tallwheel 9y ago
xojane.com is my pick for most disgusting, blatant site for self-righteous, attention-whoring, victim-politicking, feminist online SJW's.
svogliate 9y ago
xojane probably bears as much responsibility for the destruction of my marriage as any other single thing.
What, lady, I pull in mid-six figures working 90 hours a week, do half the housework, nag your ass to do the other half of the housework that doesn't get done, pay for your BMW, support you in your "important" 40 hour a week unpaid volunteer job, and now you're showing me an article that 50% of childcare should become my responsibility?
In a way I am grateful, because I told that woman I was divorcing her the next day. Turns out a man-hamster can only run so fast; at some point, the wheel breaks and he falls off.
[deleted] 9y ago
Home of the fake rape stories for attention and outrage porn!
Lt_Muffintoes 9y ago
Is that Big Red recieving some calming D?
B-because it's n-not like I'd watch that o-or anything.
WillClickOnAnything 9y ago
I don't understand why the mods don't just disable link posts.
JP_Whoregan 9y ago
Because there's nothing wrong with linking Heartiste, Christian McQueen, or even RoK for that matter, or random articles on local news channel websites. And it still wouldn't stop people from direct-linking Jizzabel or Femi-fisting in a text post.
WillClickOnAnything 9y ago
Having link posts disabled would at least make them work a little bit. Like adding a summary or something. At the very least I wouldn't accidentally click on them.
JP_Whoregan 9y ago
just realized your relevant username is relevant.
WillClickOnAnything 9y ago
lol exactly, I can't help it! I always end up clicking on these fucking femi-blogs. Ugh
garlicextract 9y ago
While not a feminist publication (as far as I'm aware), the Daily Mail is, as our British friends say, "pure shite". We should not be giving them money.
schwingaling 9y ago
I've definitely seen stuff on there trying to be feminist, even if they scatter it with pictures of half naked celebrities. But most mainstream modern media is feminist to some extent.
ztsmart 9y ago
I think this traffic is legitimate. If I am going to a website, I am going there because I want to read something on the site. It does not mean I agree with it or support it.
Also, the amount of money we are talking about here is minuscule.
Geryon667 9y ago
Agreed. This is a silly policy. Are we also going to start banning people who disagree with the moderators? People who dare to question TRP orthodoxy?
Antibuddy 9y ago
Maybe you should learn how to read.
JP_Whoregan 9y ago
yeah, the next mod starting tomorrow is /u/hitlersmoustache.
/s
Nobody's "banning" anything. People are still free to post whatever they want here, so long as they follow the rules on how to do it. That's all.
If you find an article on a femi-blog so interesting that you find it worth sharing with the group, then it should be interesting enough to spend the extra 30 seconds it takes to post it to archive.today, rather than lazily hot-linking and feeding the site potentially hundreds of clicks.
You guys are deliberately sensationalizing and straw manning.
Kyuzo_ 9y ago
Agreed. We should not give money away to these sorts of idiocy, doesn't mean content is getting censored. This point gets brought up frequently and people keep ignoring it, thus the whole point of this post.....
SoftHarem 9y ago
These kids are cute with their democracy and freedom and what not.
WillClickOnAnything 9y ago
This! For fucks sake just disable link posts. Done!
JP_Whoregan 9y ago
I know that, but follow me for a second here. Under normal circumstances, one click is one click. But take the average RP thread that gets up voted a few hundred times. I'd bet that for every up vote, there's 3 or 4 people who also clicked through, read the click bait, but didn't up vote. So an xojane or salon article that has 200 up votes probably got 500 or 600 clicks, all tracing back to the genesis of one reader. Now that minuscule amount just got multiplied exponentially.
zlex 9y ago
Ad impressions pay almost nothing, it's click-through that generates revenue. All those views probably amount to less than 25 cents.
MrMagwitch 9y ago
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JP_Whoregan 9y ago
Read your sidebar, my man.
From the "Posting Rules & Guidelines":
Salon.com was on the list long before most people got here.
Nobody's saying you can't share feminist bullshit from those sites. Just use archive.today to do it. And nobody's talking about banning anybody.
MrMagwitch 9y ago
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JP_Whoregan 9y ago
While I disagree with Maher politically on many issues, the guy is a fucking LEGEND in calling out today's male/female social dynamics. He's probably the third best comedian in this regard, behind Patrice and Bill Burr.
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JP_Whoregan 9y ago
But rates are based on existing traffic. I know this from running and subsequently shutting down a local cell phone store. The more traffic a website generates, the more money they can command "per click". And the more web traffic directed towards feminist websites, the more they can command from future advertisers, "per click".
Does 600 clicks equal .40 today? Maybe. But what happens at 1000 clicks? 5000 clicks? it's not beyond the scope of reason to believe that, as TRP grows and click-whores feminist content, their revenue will continue upward. The solution is to nip it in the bud now, before TRP becomes more mainstream.
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JP_Whoregan 9y ago
But why? archive.today is available and thriving. It costs nothing, gets the post across, and achieves all goals. I don't get it.
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JP_Whoregan 9y ago
But you're taking the average internet user. I'm placing higher levels of stock in TRP users.