We're all familiar with the traditional conservative (Trad Con) masturbator.
You have a guy that comes on this forum and at least partially unplugs. However, he never fully embraces his burden of performance. The prospect of transforming himself into the Alpha guy is too daunting, so he hamsters away the need to make any real change. Yeah, those Red Pill guys are right, but only insofar as sluts and damaged women are concerned. A real Quality Woman ™ cares about more important things, like religion, building a family, and pursuing a relationship.
These women don't exist. They never existed.
The Quality Woman ™ myth is really just the fantasy that there are women who will respond to Beta behavior in the same way that other women respond to Alpha behavior, and reciprocate with the same level of intimacy and genuine desire (NAWALT).
Yes, there are women who want a husband and a family. There are women who don't go through 50 dicks in college (no, MGTOWs, not every girl has an n-count longer than a CVS receipt). There are women who are faithful wives and good mothers.
The fallacy lies in the belief that these "good women" want Betas. Wrong. They want Alphas.
Let me give you two examples from the era that Trad Cons idealize and worship.
I had two older aunts who grew up in the 1950s. Both are now deceased, but they were the embodiment of what most men on this forum crave in a LTR. In their younger years, they were quite beautiful. One was an actual beauty pageant winner. They were nurturing women who enjoyed being mothers. They had sweet, feminine personalities that just made you feel so relaxed and at peace. They possessed the social graces and charm so lacking in most young women today - not an ounce of abrasiveness. They did all the domestic shit like cooking, and were happy to play host for family and social events. Neither were "careerists," instead taking low-stress jobs in the teaching profession. Both married in their early-20s, and by all appearances were profoundly satisfied with the relationships.
Now let me tell you about their husbands.
"Phil", who married the beauty queen, eventually became a high-ranking corporate buyer for a large retailer. He frequently traveled internationally, and made enough money for the family to purchase a large Victorian home in an expensive town. In his younger years, he enjoyed fast cars. According to my mom, he "drove like a bat out of hell." I was too young to know him while he was alive, but others described him to me as very self-centered. Apparently he was often more interested in his own hobbies, which also included photography, than being the stereotypical supportive father and husband.
The other aunt's husband, "Tom," was an athlete at an Ivy League school. My mom described him as "hot" and a "stud" in his younger years. He later had a successful career as a military officer, retiring as a general. Like Phil, he loved fast cars and also drove motorcycles and flew planes. Now in his 70s, he has the energy of a much younger man and is still wonderfully charming, funny, and just generally awesome to be around.
That said, he lives life on his terms and is undoubtedly his own mental point of origin. He can be flakey when it comes to making plans. Sometimes my mom will get frustrated and say things like "Uncle Tom is such an asshole!" Still, all of the women in my family, from my early-20s sisters to my late-50s mother, subconsciously acknowledge and defer to his masculine authority while in his presence. They seek his approval. We drove down to visit him once, and before we arrived my mom pulled the car over so she and my sisters could put on makeup before greeting him.
Both of these men were obviously consummate Alpha males. Their relationship success had nothing to do with the fact that they found a Quality Woman ™. Yes, my aunts were fine women, no doubt. But they weren't wooed by Betas. They were wooed by masculine, fun, exciting Alphas.
Too many men try to circumvent hypergamy by focusing on one side of the equation - the woman. They don't look in the mirror and honestly assess whether they are the type of guy that men want to be, and women want to fuck.
There is no escaping your burden of performance.
thatjammm 3y ago
Alpha act based on what they want. Betas react to what women think they want a man to be and try to mirror that. Fundamentally, it’s a matter of identity; the alpha knows who/what he is and builds upon that. He’s taken time to figure that out for himself. The beta has not. The beta lacks internal identity and so reacts to other people’s responses and and shapes his false self image based around the validation from others. Nietzsche talks about this along similar lines in more depth in the Genealogy of Morals , being the difference between Master morality and Slave Morality. Slave morality is always reactionary and in the case here, OP shows how women are not attracted to this way of thinking with two good examples and actually resent it in men. So how do you become more Alpha? Refrain from beta-making-behavior i.e pmo negative self talk etc and then 1. Reflect, 2. Become more disciplined, and 3. Implement new, more self-serving behaviors that may not be easy but allow you to grow. Nietzsche also talks about his distain for “self-sacrificial virtues,” virtues that put the good of the whole over and above the good of the individual. In OPs terms, these virtues make betas and naturally lack boundaries. I’ll stop here; might deserve a post on its own.
PorkNails 3y ago
The idea that your wrote about is very interesting and it would be a great contribution to me and this sub. It is never enough to be reminded of the results being self centered and disciplined bring to a man. Thank you.
barnowl5 3y ago
Was going to say, don't stop there...but yeah, turn it into a post. This is good information (I'm sure I can search for it online, but much better with a, 'TRP flavour').
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edge_lord_super_17 3y ago
Can you link me a book or article where nietzsche talked about that?
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The-Wizard-of-Oz- 3y ago
"A 'good' girl is just someone whose very picky about ago she's bad with"
Remember, that way her 'reputation' is protected
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DareyFathom 3y ago
OK, and those men came up in a time when women were expected to perform their duties of diligent housewife by their early 20s. Now women are encouraged to assume that role in their early 40s if ever. Meanwhile, men are expected to produce at twice the productivity of men in that era. Not implying your uncles weren't/aren't great men, but realize the transformation in modern society is altering the women available while still holding the same relative standards for men.
Howdoiusesync 3y ago
I gotta add on, look what the exports of that are.
What have women produced that have benefited society now that they have all these resources available to them?
In america they hold a majority of student debt while also having more purchasing power and 80% of wealth. (Girlpowermarketing for the info)
It's alot like Chaz or Chop or whatever.
They couldn't produce jack shit lol.
That saying "Hard times create strong men, good times create weak men" is just so good rn on a societal macro level mf's aint doing shit. On a micro level (mostly here i've noticed) these dudes are becoming something.
hockeyaddict87 3y ago
Times have changed though 99% of beautiful don’t settle down until they find a rich beta when they are 35. They mess with alphas from age 16-35 and probably cheat once they are m are tied. I don’t think women back then are comparable to now
le_wolfe 3y ago
Good read that emphasizes on the burden of performance. Especially from a vintage tradcon perspective.
StarchRunner 3y ago
I need to point out another aspect of quality women. Environment. It's a hell of a lot easier to find a nun in a convent than one the Las Vegas strip, other than a stripper cosplaying one. Yes, there are exceptions, and boy do retards love pointing out exceptions as if it bolsters their argument (if that were the case, a winning lottery ticket proves gambling as a sound retirement strategy). Just as I can get a lousy meal at a 3 Michelin star restaurant on any particular night and a great one at some hole in the wall dump. Just don't walk in expecting one.
You can be as accomplished man as you like, if you go for food in the dollar store you will get only crap. Same for women, but the whole society is the dollar store and now all you get is cheap women. Patriarchy has lost control of society and so patriarchal standards are no longer set.
There can be a lot of discussion why this is so, from social to environmental factors and books of bullshit written about it, but the bottomline is that to survive monogamy is no longer required so hypergamy and serial monogamy or polyandry or whatever will ever increase until it's no longer sustainable.
For example, for northern europeans/asians, back in the ice ages which was much of recent history until 10k years ago, a man had to plan, work his ass off in the summer along with all of his family gathering calories as long as the getting was good. Later in the season, animals fattened up, they got hunted along into the winters. Surviving was a lot of prep work. Knowing seasons and opportunities and exploiting them. Days weren't frittered away on frivolous shit. A partner couldn't be a net drain because then not only are you dead but so it your family and kids. There was no daddy government to run to and beg for food or ask them to give you other people's money. No food banks. You ran out in middle of winter, you dead, your spouse dead, your family dead. You can be sure some thot cucking was minimal and if caught, that woman and her sprog out on her ass, her genetic line dead. Same for the guy that allows it and it became self-correcting right quick.
Since we're no longer in that environment by a long shot, the other way will continue until hard times come to curb it. The last reigns have come off with social welfare and voting laws making politicians pander to those that get out and vote them into power. In that way, it's literally out of anyone individual's control. Like trying to stop a hurricane. Enjoy the decline, understand the nature of it, because there's absolutely nothing else to do.
jmo_777 3y ago
Great post... this is so true. So many of the guys on here that say AWALT and try to come up for reasons why women don’t do as they please are simply just not the real deal. Not truly alpha.
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Redditgoodaccount 3y ago
Something to bookmark a primer and a refresher, thanks pal.