Beware of Beta Bait | TheRedPill

What about bait post banging. Sometimes a girl may throw affection and try to bait someone into a beta bucks position by making him think he's getting the same as the alpha. Do they do that subconsciously because they realise the wall is near and they require a provider.

At times it can be genuine but Im more curious about the times when its a show to try and snag some beta into committing to her.

basilisk_girth 5y ago

I don’t know if this qualifies, but I also thought some of my recent experiences with women were also Beta Bait:

• If your SMV is high (other women giving you attention) some will pretend to not be interested as a way to get you to chase them.

I think this is beta bait because, if you are a beta, you will not be able to realise that she is manipulating you. The key here is seeing how she interacts with low value beta males, if it’s positive “brotherly love”, her acting indifferent to you is just an act.

Once you ignore these you’ll even slowly notice them working to get your attention , but I don’t recommend gaming these ones they tend to be toxic. These women are not happy and tend to view life as a competition for attention, she’ll give you IOIs just to reject you and “feel good about herself”.

CoeurDeLion-Sag 5y ago

I encountered these women all through out my life. Recently, I got a number from a young woman at the church the very first time I talked to her in just 3 mins.I didn't even know her name before that. Few days later I asked her out , she flat out rejected saying I'm not that interesting . She's still giving me very submissive eye contact in the church every Sunday.

basilisk_girth 5y ago

Hahaha had the same experience, also met her at Church. It seems if they meet you there they always assume you’re a low value beta, mine was a 5, rejected me flat out because I wasn’t interesting enough. They go to church to get attention from low value churchy betas, it’s just another subgroup where women go if they can’t compete anywhere else, never approach women from church, they are not the good girls they present themselves as.

Project_Zero_Betas 5y ago

If your SMV is high (other women giving you attention) some will pretend to not be interested as a way to get you to chase them.

Of course it is.

I think this is beta bait because, if you are a beta, you will not be able to realise that she is manipulating you.

It's her testing to see if you actually have options

redvisionsss 5y ago

Snooty women like that are usually the hotter ones. Ignoring them hard always gets their panties in a twist. Treat hot women like losers and it drives them crazy.

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TheRedPike Senior Endorsed 5y ago

This is part of the Best Of series we have been running.
It is another classic from /u/dr_warlock . There was a smart suggestion to flair these as "Best Of." Will try to get to that shortly. Additionally the goal is to put the original post into the comments.

dr_warlock 5y ago

You humble me, TheRedPike

Original Post: http://archive.is/9Qs4K (looks way better on reddit).

throwaway-aa2 5y ago

The flair thing is a great idea.

thetarget3 5y ago

This is really good reading

Woujo 5y ago

This is a good article.

There are two principles you can use to navigate these situations:

1) Is what she is doing "wrong" according to YOUR rules? Different people can have different views as to what is moral and immoral, but what matters is what YOU have decided is right and wrong, not her. A lot of times when men are enamored with a woman, they let her dictate right and wrong to them, so they will say crazy shit like "it's ok for her to go on vacation with her ex-boyfriend without me."

Of course, it is your job to come up with an appealing set of rules and you need to do some deep thinking here. If your "morality" sucks and makes her miserable, she will leave. But women generally understand right and wrong, and they often shit test you by presenting you an immoral situation and seeing if you bite. For example, if a woman acts like she is entitled to do something that you are not allowed to do, it is perfectly in your rights to declare that as "wrong." You can't let women warp your sense of morality.

2) The second rule is "don't do anything for her, including providing her attention, that she hasn't done for you." For example, let's go to the "I was raped" example in the article. Now, whether or not she was telling the truth, the fact is that you are not her therapist and if she has done nothing for you, you have no responsibility to comfort her or provide her free therapy for her rape. It is perfectly within your rights to change the subject, just like it would be in her rights to change the subject if you start complaining about the problems in your life.

If, however, she has done a bunch of stuff for you, then it may be appropriate for you to comfort her on her problems and stuff. But even then you must use your judgment and not do anything for her she doesn't deserve. You will quickly notice that women who have been doing stuff for you are less likely to do stupid shit like lie about getting raped. They have invested in you and they don't want to risk that.

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Woujo 5y ago

It’s not a good look to base your responses on some internal tally-marking of determining whether someone deserves your empathy or not. One of the key reasons why altriusm developed in our species is strictly because relationships based off tit-for-tat failed.

That's actually completely wrong. Altruism research has shown that animals only evolved to be altruistic when others are doing the same. When another animals "break the rules" or take advantage of altruism, they are punished by their formerly altruistic partners. In fact, animals evolved to be perfect game theoretic players: we act altruistically so long as the other players act altruistically, when another player cheats we punish them, and then we forgive and go back to playing the game. This is exactly what computer simulations have predicted would be the ideal game theoretic posture.

> If she trusts you enough to confide in you about one of the most traumatic experiences she’s had to endure, then I guess you are right that you don’t technically have to be there emotionally for her - but also strictly speaking, that’s a dick move and also shows your lack of emotional maturity.

Oh my sweet boy you clearly haven't been around a lot of damaged women. A lot of women will trust you enough to confide in you about their problems within minutes of meeting you. You don't owe those women anything and furthermore, if you try to play therapist in that situation, you just end up making everything worse.

RivenHalf 5y ago

All of these boil down to being emotionally invested. If you don't give a fuck you pass all these test by default.

thankyoumagicman 5y ago

as well as abundance mentality.

RivenHalf 5y ago

To an extent yes but you have to be careful with abundance mentality. Some people take it the wrong way and only feel good about themselves when they have a lot of women and when they don't they go back to baseline. True abundance mentality though, absolutely.

thankyoumagicman 5y ago

i always though that abundance mentality was more "there is an abundance of girls out there" rather than "i have an abundance of girls".

my confidence with girls is boosted by the fact that i live in a big city with thousands of attractive girls. this makes me less likely to give a shit if someone leaves me. i've never spun multiple plates, but i still have abundance mentality.

if i lived in the middle of north dakota, i would not have abundance mentality.

INNASKILLZ2K18 5y ago

The tricks is in simplifying all this stuff down.

For a woman, EVERYTHING is power talk. She is ALWAYS playing a game to see if she can have social power over you.

The greatest way to show a woman she can't win that game is to be unresponsive.

You don't have to be caught up thinking 'what is this test? What does it mean? What's the perfect passing line to say'?

To do that, means she's already won. You're affected. She's changing your thought patterns and as such has social power.

One of the GREATEST things to internalize is that everything women say is just noise. It's literal noise to see if you react. To see if they have any power over you.

And she doesn't give a fuck about what you say in return. She gets her information from everything you don't say with words. Your frame, vibe, body language etc, all need to show you ain't listening to the noise.

So. It's all white noise. Say less, do less. Show in your presence she doesn't have social power over you. Unaffected.

Avoiding beta bait is easy once you stop looking or listening for it and just turn the volume down on all she says.

It's all just 'blah blah blabby blah blah oh blobby blah' (interpretation - do I have power over you, which I will read in your body?)

It's all power talk.

domoli 5y ago

100%...spot on here. Kind of like the way you'd act if she wasn't even there, or if it was some random acquaintance you don't care too much about. Unaffected behavior and body language with some emotional spiking sprinkled in. Of course it helps to have a silver tongue and wisdom regarding shit tests in case you're in the mood to riposte.

What do you think contributes most to this behavior naturally? Abundance? Mindfulness? Experience?

INNASKILLZ2K18 5y ago

Yes, a silver tongue and being good at shit tests helps.

Really, the way everyone does this stuff is going to be different. Depends on the guy.

But for me, ultimately that understanding is key. That it's all just social power game. The words, situation, girl all don't really matter. She is just trying to see if she can have power over you. She reads that in your body language and all you say without words.

For myself, depending on what mood I am in I'll be different. Sometimes really humourous and playful, sometimes serious. The main thing is, her little power plays don't change or effect me.

What brings this behaviour? I can only speak for myself. A combination of things. Reading, and experience. IllimitableMen is the best shit I've ever read. That made so much make sense. Women really are just noise, who want to see if you react to them. They see their social power through how they effect you. Simplez. They also get all their info about you from everything other than your words.

Experience. Seriously just getting to a point where it was easier to be non reactive than trying so hard. I had women shit test like a cannon, and it was easier to just not react. Then more of the teasing and treating them like a five year old came.

Third, my work. I work in a job where strong frame and not getting pulled into others shit is essential.

domoli 5y ago

Good shit. Yeah of course IM is good stuff. Which article of his were you talking about btw? That Machiavellian thinking one is gold

INNASKILLZ2K18 5y ago

Yeah, there is that one...

Another one on female solipsism and another on the female psyche, which talks about Machiavellianism, dissociation and rationalisation. That post helped me to not take ANYTHING a woman does personally. A woman's gonna woman.

A lot of the 'best of' posts that have been put up lately are pure gold.

It reminds of how good the Manosphere was.

The side bar and those 'best' posts give everything you need. Unlike these short-cut wanting tags all over ASKtrp.