Recently, many "illustrous" members of the manosphere turned their hands and revealed themselves to be less kind, less sympathetic, and less heroic than many of their followers had made them out to be.
It occurred to us, the mods of The Red Pill, that this feeling of betrayal was brought on by a cult of "hero worship" which has slowly built up inside our community. Many of our novice readers lacked fathers or strong male role models in their youth - and because of that they tend to cling to any strong men that they find within our community, oftentimes without looking critically. Eventually, the novice worships these manosphere men he follows as paragons and heroes of masculinity, and he makes himself vulnerable to manipulation, scare tactics, sell tactics, and other insidious Blue Pills.
The goal of this new project is to change that trend.
"Meet the ECs" is a featurette which we will run weekly, or as often as we can find volunteers among our endorsed contributors. It is a question-and-answer style interview which will give you a glimpse into the life of one of our endorsed members. The stories are anonymized, and provided for your benefit.
Our goal here is to remove the magic and mysticism of Red Pill success. Our endorsed members are not super-powered carbon-copy pussy wizards. Their lives are varied, their life experiences are different, their talents and interests are often dissimilar, and everything that they have achieved is also achievable by you, as long as you put in the work. These men are not heroes or role models, they are regular men who have learned how to live free.
Here is the story of one such regular man, /u/CainPrice:
During the Blue Pill Days
Before you had your awakening, what were your aspirations in life and in love?
Get a good job, meet a girl, date for awhile, get sexual, get married, buy a house together in the suburbs, have 2.5 kids and a dog, live happily ever after with a happy family and a marriage filled with sex and respect.
What was your biggest Blue Pill illusion/delusion?
That women need to like you as a person and feel emotionally connected with you in a romantic sense before having sex with you, and that developing this connection is supposed to take months of dating.
Transitioning
What was a significant life event that contributed to or led to your Red Pill awakening?
A long-term, shitty, low-sex relationship with a bitch coming to an end. Instead of being sad it was over, I felt relieved. After she dumped me, I was curious why I hadn't dumped her myself long ago.
Red Pill Life
When was a moment where you realized you were on the other side?
About halfway through sex on the first date with some girl I'd met online. We stopped to take a breather because I was getting tired and she'd had an orgasm already, and she told me I'd earned something special, and she gave me a blowjob. I wasn't a blowjob on the first date kind of guy. I'd never been that guy. And here I was being that guy.
How do you derive meaning and purpose for your own life?
I'm still figuring out what I want to do long-term. Right now, I make money and develop interesting hobbies.
What are your aspirations in life and in love now that you have awoken?
Travel more. Make money.
What still challenges you?
I'm still figuring out what I really want out of life. Now that I'm not trying to have that happy marriage, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do with myself. I guess whatever I want. Finding time to try new things with a demanding job is a pain.
Without being too specific, what industry do you work in? In what ways is Red Pill knowledge advantageous for you and your career?
I work for a small business. I shmooze with the big boss all the time and act like nothing fazes me and I don't care about much. I'm social with our clients and with coworkers who are in a position to fuck me over or help me out. When I screw something up, I own it and handle it. When other people screw something up, I don't own it, but I still handle it. I work long hours to make tight deadlines and make my boss look good.
What's an article, theory post, video, or other resource in the RP community/manosphere that really shifted your way of thinking?
Too many to name. I like the older stuff better than the new crap. Rollo's early work, Roosh before he went crazy, things /u/Whisper and /u/Archwinger posted.
What advice do you wish you'd had, or would you want to pass along to a man who is still waking up?
Make friends with men instead of women. Literally, make the effort to learn manly shit and bro stuff and make friends with men. It's worth it. Don't be friends with women. Women are for sex. They make shitty friends.
Also, treat women like sexual creatures. Hit on them, all the time. Be fun, flirty, and sexual, all the time. Laugh at yourself with them. Be fun. Half of the battle is just acting like the kind of guy who fucks and is used to women fucking him. Just acting like you're used to women having casual sex with you and like it's not unusual that you expected some girl to go home with you goes a long way. Instead of thinking you're crazy, the women start to wonder if they're the crazy ones for not fucking you when you act like fucking you is just a normal thing girls do.
DubbleFUPAwitCheez 6y ago
I think the fact he "went crazy" is what proves he's legit and actually has accomplished success with women. No man of sufficient thoughtfulness and self-awareness won't eventually find himself looking down a similar path to him after finding mastery over romance and seeing the gaps in life that remain. If you think he's gone crazy ask yourself if you're truly as enlightened as you believe first.
nexther 6y ago
Thank you for this, it’s a great idea for a series. Great post that got me thinking.
VickVaseline 6y ago
It is nice to meet you, Mr CainPrice .
MeansToABenz 6y ago
Thanks for doing this u/CainPrice!
redpillschool Admin 6y ago
This right here is the biggest mistake I see guys make (including myself when I was younger). They're looking for best friend qualities in the woman they want to date.
It's too often that I see a guy say "well we're both into the same video games so it's meant to be!" but the truth is the more you look for male brotherhood with women, the more you're going to be disappointed and the worse your actual friendships will be.
Women are not men. Do not expect to find a woman with all the same interests as you. Do not expect one that wants to talk about the same philosophical questions you have. Do not expect to find a woman with the same passions or interests as you.
By virtue of being a man, you already care far more about the intricacies of the dating market, psychology, comedy, guns, etc than a woman who has no need for such trivialities for her own mating strategy.
Why, then, would you expect "the one" to care about this stuff?
If you want to date your best guy friend, just be gay.
jackandjill22 6y ago
Yea, there's truth to this. They don't pay attention to any of this shit. Even when it directly affects them.
KeffirLime 6y ago
As a side, it's fine, if not very likely that you will be her best friend.
Most women you meet don't have many hobbies, interests, spiritual views, philosophies etc. All her friends are like this and they don't do an awful lot when they hang out either, mostly talking about people, events or fantasies.
From her point of view looking at you, you're this amazing, interesting person, this great source of enjoyment in her life that makes her feel all these different types of emotions. You're smarter, wiser, stronger, funnier and more entertaining than anyone of her girl friends.
It's only natural that she'd rank you as her partner, lover, best friend or anything else.
shaggyctes88 6y ago
Learned this the hard way, great writing, Big advice this one
goingrandomgod 6y ago
Pretty much guys who think they are incomplete without his better half and sole purpose in life - his girlfriend
Had a good friend say to me that he does not care about any of his friends anymore since he found the one he can also be best friends with. Good way to end relationships with people you know for centuries.
SuperCrazy07 6y ago
Just how old are you and what’s the key to longevity?
Rothwayaw1 6y ago
And what happens when you actually meet a girl who's into you and shares most of your tastes and interests? Even more than your male friends.
cupshadow 6y ago
Same rules apply.
The thing with woman is they won't be attracted to you because of that. Having similar tastes and interestes makes a little easier since you can bring her along with your hobbies and have more stuff to talk about, so take that as a bonus.
redditor67tny 6y ago
interested in seeing this question answered as well
xddm2653 6y ago
you tell her to stop talking so much and finish making dinner
Ill_mumble_that 6y ago
Tried this. It wasnt as satisfying.
I could go either way, but at the end of the day there is an element of polarization and beauty missing from gay relationships.
I've engaged in many gay sexual encounters but I just can't help but be disgusted when I think about 2 guys shacking up and getting married. It is just missing something.
While we may not have much in common, I prefer living with my female companion.
party_dragon 6y ago
how do blowjobs compare? do guys give better blowjobs (since they know, intimately, what not to do)?
someonesopinion6969 6y ago
TRP is a place to discuss men sucking other men off.
What the fuck am i doing here.
futianze 6y ago
TRP is about driving men to realize their highest potential sexual value in the market. At its core, it is men becoming attractive to women, but it doesn't discriminate. There was an old post on here from a 100% gay dude who acts and behaves like a woman and found that he's most attracted to guys who are RP, which further validates TRP.
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Ill_mumble_that 6y ago
Nah that's half true. Guys are overwhelmingly better if comparing a noob guy to a noob girl..
But a girl with experience is best, plus facial hair doesnt feel good when trying to go deep so lack of that helps her too.
CainPrice 6y ago
This is definitely a big one. If your girlfriend is also your best friend, your primary social outlet, your primary source of emotional support, your secretary, and your mommy, that's a huge drain on her very limited emotional resources. It doesn't leave her any time or energy to be a good girlfriend. She's going to be spread too thin, do everything badly, and resent you for burdening her with all of the stress and expectations. Then, when she's out with her girlfriends complaining about you and a hot, confident guy hits on her, she'll be attracted to how simple things are when it's just her and a hot guy having great sex.
Part of being a man is handling your shit. When all of the shit is handled and your life is in order and you don't need any more friends or social outlets or secretaries or mommies, your pretty little girlfriend has nothing to worry about except sucking your dick. She has all the time and all the space in the world to be who she is and be a good girlfriend (or a bad one). She's not burdened by your unrealistic expectations, which gives her the space and freedom to actually be feminine.
HumanSockPuppet 6y ago
I would add that giving a woman "space" is not the ultimate goal, but instead it is to replace the complexity of life with the simplicity of your expectations.
Give a woman clear instructions, reward her for following those instructions, take care of the rest of life's challenges, and she will adore and worship you. That is the recipe for a happy relationship.
CainPrice 6y ago
Maybe space is the wrong word. I was looking for something kind of neutral. Because once she has the opportunity to be a good girlfriend, that doesn't mean she will, even if you create the perfect environment for it.
When you handle your crap and don't need your girlfriend to be your friend or your mommy or your secretary, and she has literally nothing to do except be a good girlfriend because all she's facing is your very reasonable, understood expectations of frequent sex and not being a bitch, that are so obvious you don't even have to say them, that's your chance to see what kind of girlfriend she really is.
Once you've given her that ideal environment to be a happy girlfriend, she might still be a bad one. She might not adore you. You gave her the space, freedom, and opportunity to be a great girlfriend. You took care of all of the man shit and you're not emotionally needy or even all that emotional at all, so all she has to worry her little head about is whether to order the cranberry or elderflower cosmo and how hot you look in that shirt.
And she might still suck. If you cook her dinner and she doesn't offer to wash the dishes without you instructing her to, or if you're washing the dishes and she doesn't come over to help you dry them without you instructing her to, or if you come over after work and she doesn't offer to make you a drink unless you've instructed her to do so, she kinda sucks as a girlfriend. And if she's gotten too comfortable with you as she lounges about playing with her phone while you handle all of the shit, and you try to fuck her after dinner and she tells you it's been a long day and she doesn't feel like it, it's time to make her less comfortable.
HumanSockPuppet 6y ago
Indeed. You can evaluate her knowing that any shortcomings you observe will be hers, rather than her reaction to yours.
I find that nowadays it is very rare for a woman to know what to do without being explicitly instructed, at least in the beginning. It's basically not worth expecting of her. Expect that you will have to give her instructions on how to please you. That's what gradual compliance tests are for.
If she takes to instructions without protest and actively tries to please you, then that's a very good sign. Even if she's bad at whatever she tries, she will get better with practice. What matters is the desire to please you, which is inspired by your rare and alluring masculinity.
nexther 6y ago
I’d love a post about compliance tests, does anything exist?
HumanSockPuppet 6y ago
Start with my Guide to Training Bitches. Side bar.
takethedive 6y ago
This is a gigantic takeaway. The entire article is valuable and I really like where this series is headed, but this right here is a particularly big flashing neon sign of value.
It's hilarious how even the girls themselves are surprised and taken aback by what a contrast you are to everyone in her past - and how easy life is now - when literally all she has to care about is bopping around in your oversized tee shirts, cooking your meals and looking as fine as she can. What's even funnier is how quickly she realizes just how enjoyable that is and how much fun she's having every day. Crazy how all you have to do is stop taking your problems off your shoulders and putting all that shit on her and all of a sudden she's light as a feather.
kray67 6y ago
This one hit really close to home.
I've definitely been guilty of this. When you're lazy and have no real purpose (essentially a man-child) it's real easy to just lean on your girl and let her handle your shit. But her "love" can only last so long and eventually she'll get exhausted from carrying your sorry ass and look elsewhere for someone who can make her feel feminine again.
Thanks
the_Milkweed 6y ago
I would like to agree with you but anecdotally I have not had such luck. I have very very few male friends and I have come to the conclusion I very well may never have close or many male friends.Here is my reasoning, most if not all the men I have come into contact with consciously or subconsciously prioritize pussy. Be that through white-knighting, ditching prior commitments, or acting competitive when it comes to PUA. I just don't trust men these days, the only men I am capable of having an inkling of trust towards are red pilled men, which are few and far between. When I meet men that give me the impression we are on the same page when it comes to understanding SMV and TRP concepts I quickly become aware that its based in actually misogyny or insecurities rather than objective facts.
I tend to have three types of friends,
1: women that have higher levels of testosterone, are lesbian/bi or have low libidos. We tend to be able to have civil conversations about biological differences in the sexes and happen to be attracted to the same sex.
2: Super feminine sorta air-headed women, because I know exactly what to expect from them, they tend to not hold their own opinions and they're nice to look at. It's also super easy to dictate interactions, so as to keep the peace.
3: Men that I have taught how to be men, men who I have given the benefit of the doubt after being stabbed in the back by them. Men I converse with honestly and have seen through my experiences that my actions reflect my words. These men didn't meet me and already have these qualities. They were pussy whipped from the start.
I don't have time to be everyone's father, especially if you're not sucking my dick.
IAmTruthIAmSalvation 6y ago
bro just become friends with gym bros and mma bros. find the douchiest gym bros (they are likely most red pilled as well). Tadaa, you have non-gay male friends
Project_Zero_Betas 6y ago
Exactly the same with me. I've realized most guys are beta, and betas will stab you in the back in a heartbeat for even just a sniff of half-way decent looking pussy. The consensus around here seems to be that girls make fine friends if your SMV is high enough, so, that's okay with me. Clearly I have to start sorting my male friends based on some congruence of TRP principles.
the_Milkweed 6y ago
Thats sort of the point I make, I wont police myself for some small gesture of what some consider masculinity. I cant just forget who I am and the values I hold because of some rule that I have to have male friends. I do believe I will have close male friends eventually, but I imagine it will be when I am older and have had time to actually weed through the countless amount of douche canoes that I run into on the daily.
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rambler429 6y ago
I befriend men who are older, more traveled and wiser than myself. I have a couple of friends my own age, but I generally find more value in friendships with men who've been there and done that. They're not out trying to impress anyone or have any reason to steer you wrong or stab you in the back. I try my best not to reinvent the wheel, so I would rather learn from the wisdom and mistakes of others. Closing in on 50, I'm the guy that younger guys at work and in my social circle look to for guidance and advice. I don't mind being that guy, because I've been fortunate enough to have many mentors, myself.
SomeGuy1251 6y ago
I have had a similar problem with many men unfortunately.
Perhaps it is due to current society being as cucked as it is but i have found most men to be weak, spineless, and backstabbing pussies. The ones that are not are usually massive douche-bags and "macho" men that usually wind of being passive aggressive pussies despite their claims.
It is one of the reasons i was not fully red pilled as a kid. I have many masculine qualities such as being direct and highly logical so i figured i would naturally be more comfortable with men but i have found most to be just as bad if not worse then women (or at least worse at hiding it )
Do not get me wrong i have no delusions of thinking there is ANY woman worthy of being sufficient in this department lol but i have found the majority of men lacking (although i have found a few)
*shrugs* o well
Project_Zero_Betas 6y ago
IMVHO it's because guy friends will stab you in the back or sabotage you if it increases their chances of getting a oneitis no matter how small, whereas the worst a girl friend will do is just decide to not fuck you. It's a no-brainer for me.
SomeGuy1251 6y ago
The first part is true.
But the thing is they still did this despite there not being a female in the equation.
They just seem to act like women a lot of the time.
takethedive 6y ago
Maybe the value you might gain from masculine friendships has nothing to do with their knowledge, understanding or application of TRP, and everything to do with being able to sit the fuck down, open a beer, talk shit, and not think in womanese all the God damn time.
In practice, "teaching men to be men" has a lot less to do with telling 'friends' that their approach to life is wrong, and a lot more to do with living a life so much bigger than they ever dreamed was possible, so that one day you might inspire them to believe they just might be capable of the same. Don't be the lawmaker, don't be the omnipotent ruler. Be the Mayor. Make them all feel special. Inspire them to do more, work smarter, live bigger, snort deeper, fuck harder, laugh louder. Demonstrate through your actions that they've been setting their sights far too low for far too long.
Obligatory: I don't have a clue who you are or what your life is like. I'm in no position to educate you or talk down to you. I don't know you. But I get the impression that you live and breathe gender dynamics, that you're Woke Gender Relations Guy with all of your friends, and it's thus also a big component of the criteria you look for in potential male friends. How about instead, you file all that shit away for use with your women, stop thinking so much, and kick the fuck back with some Street Fighter instead? Constant fear of betrayal and backstabbing is tiring as shit. Just don't bring your women around your boys, never mix money and friends, and forget about all that. Crack a beer and hang.
the_Milkweed 6y ago
Again I disagree, and yes you made many assumptions. Everything you describe in the first paragraph perfectly describes the problem I have with modern man. What you are describing is the type of relationship I have with the first type of friends that I listed. So far there has been no benefit being friends with a man, I was the more masculine one, I was the one instilling hope and dreams into them.
Everything you describe is in my past, because as I said before that I dont have time to be peoples father. You're assuming that I was a dictator, I was not, if anything I was way too much of a push over, believing that you could trust friends and there were abstract boundaries around the friendship. Only when they mistreated me did I clearly specify how that type of continued behavior would end our friendship. Most of my friends have been jealous of how I am with women for my entire life.
men have just as much crab in a bucket mentality, so far it has been more rewarding for me to pursue my goals and ambitions separate from any relationship i have with men. The last large group of male friends I had all eventually betrayed me. There is no one left to demonstrate to, and for that I am happy.
your last paragraphs suggests that I change my entire identity and I will not do that. I do not live in a paradigm where I need to have people around me with similar ideas, at the very least we must be able to argue and in the end have that beer and kick back to relax. But those are not the men I have interacted with. They. are. all. pussy. whipped.
in the sense that they will treat me as a lesser being when or if the conversation turns to topics around gender dynamics.
I do think too much, but I wont medicate and I will not allow this introverted society to dictate that I turn off what I consider a gift. I work to polish my thoughts and to build upon them, thats why I enjoy speaking with people of different opinion. But you cant do that nowadays, forget gender dynamics you cant talk about any form of disagreement. Everyone is softer than 2 ply.
What you suggest is a shallow friendship and I'd rather pour my time and energy elsewhere. I just fundamentally disagree with the idea that having male friends is one of the TRP commandments. Find good friends, not just male friends. You're assuming I live in a constant paradigm of gender dynamics all while making an argument that I NEED to have male friends over female friends.... hmmmmmmmm
you know how many god damn times ive had men disagree with me on a point of contention and then later tell me they agreed with me once we were alone. Fucking pathetic eels
Project_Zero_Betas 6y ago
I swear I could've written these last two posts of yours myself.
takethedive 6y ago
I'm really not trying to tell you who you should be and I don't mean to put words in your mouth. You're you, only you know what you need. If they're toxic, backstabbing little manchildren, cut them the fuck off and slam the door, hell yeah. But maybe it's not always black and white. Maybe other men are sometimes weak and sometimes strong. Maybe they don't have their shit together yet, but they're trying. Maybe they're dumb as shit, but loyal, and will always take your side through hell or high water. To paint in such broad strokes and decide that these men are Weak, Period and others are Strong, Period is...limiting, arrogant, and naive. I'm making no claims that you believe this at all and accusing you of nothing. I'm just planting some food for thought.
Or maybe you're just surrounded by a bunch of fucking pussies that need to be sent to the glue factory pronto so you can move on with your day. I don't know, man. But since the dawn of time, a ton of my lifelong friends have always made comments like "how do these girls come home with you week after week" "why do you just ignore her texts, that's rude" "why do they like you so much when you treat them like garbage". And if you break your own personal rule and try to explain, then it's "golly takethedive, that sounds extremely pessimistic and not a healthy way to view the world." Whatever, man. You keep on buying gamer girl bath water, and I'll be over here balls deep. But among them are physicists, engineers, lawyers, math majors, property managers, franchise and business owners, stock option day traders... and boy are they ever smart as fuck. All of them way smarter men than I. Hilarious, intelligent people who kick my ass at Street Fighter and would drop everything and fly across the world if I was ever in trouble. I have a lot to learn from them, and without them I wouldn't be half the man I am. They're still dumb as shit with women and bragging about banging hamplanets, but I mean... Good for them. If they're happy, that makes me happy too. Big smiles.
We live different lives and value different things, and I'm not suggesting you change or implying you should. You're you and I'm me and we value things differently. I'm just asking if maybe there might be more nuance to weakness and strength, and if maybe there might be a different sort of value in that.
In the end, I see eye to eye with you on most of this. This isn't really a disagreement. Most men are pussies and even the ones who show promise won't stand the fuck up and speak their minds. Worthy of zero respect. I'm just looking for a way to illustrate my point that specifically in the context of interpersonal or gender dynamics, someone being a lifelong bloop doesn't necessarily correlate with them making a garbage, disloyal friend. If they're a disloyal, backstabbing piece of shoe scum, then that's what they are. I just dislike the idea that men who haven't walked as far down this specific gender relations road as you have are of little value. Garbage people, however, are garbage people.
the_Milkweed 6y ago
I see what you mean, and I understand. So far I just personally have had little run ins with any men that, from at least surface level, give me the impression we can garner value from each other. I do have role models and men that I look up to that fit the criteria you specified. I just don't have them as friends. Its also a part of my personality to want to help people I care about. If I am friends with you its for a reason, and keeping that kind info from a friend is not part of my paradigm. I want to teach and learn through teaching, once again I look at it is placating and policing myself. So that I can get what? I dont see the value. I also create the comparison in my head, does the arbitrary value that this person has due to their success or knowledge outweigh the mental, emotional and possibly physical damage I am willing to take for them. And almost always its a no
the_Milkweed 6y ago
To add as well, I do not judge a man by the amount of knowledge he has around gender dynamics, but I will judge him on his willingness to learn. ESPECIALLY (this has been the case almost everytime) they come to me to bitch and moan about situations with women that they put themselves in. All while telling me I am wrong about women, its illogical for me to see a person you envy or are jealous of and not to try to mimic them.
SomeGuy1251 6y ago
So much this.
I was never a douche-bag bro but i would constantly hear men bitch and moan about how "ugh why does she date/fuck that douche-bag when i would treat her right'. pfft
While i sympathized a little i always wound up thinking" well he is clearly doing SOMETHING right so if it is such a problem for why don't you find out what that is instead". Shit if you want you could maybe just incorporate it and be blue pill or whatever if you want...but nope they never do.
HumanSockPuppet 6y ago
In reality, she wants to the douchebag bro the choose her and treat her right. The problem is that she has no idea how to make him stay.
At TRP, we teach men how to project the right qualities to seduce women and, if you are so inclined, how to make a long-term prospect of any girl you seduce provided she demonstrates long-term worthiness.
cupshadow 6y ago
I really don't know how some guys are friends with woman. Do they all have secret sexual desires towards them? Because it was just like that with me: I either wanted to fuck them or we already did and kept in touch for some reason.
SomeGuy1251 6y ago
Pretty much. Any man that is not fucking them or getting sex because of them is lying to themselves and others.
They figure it will work eventually and they can virtue signal about how "good they are with women" lol which is the furthest form the truth.
Project_Zero_Betas 6y ago
Definitely not true. Growing up I had LOTS of female friends that I certainly would've fucked, but at no point did I ever think it was in the cards, and because they were legit good friends I continued to hang out with them. What you're describing are beta orbiters, who think they can eventually win over a girls affection by being their "friends," not guys who just like to shoot the shit with whoevers cool, regardless of gender.
SomeGuy1251 6y ago
X Doubt
No offense but it seems that you were doing just this and think you did not because they were ok as friends.
Perhaps you were not as bad as beta orbiters or maybe you are an exception but i highly doubt it.
Project_Zero_Betas 6y ago
Nope, they were all legit very good looking, whereas I viewed myself as pretty grotesque. Of course, turns out that they all secretly did like me, I just didn't have enough awareness of my own SMV in picking up their IOIs, so, really, they were orbiting me ;-)
SomeGuy1251 6y ago
.........yyyeeeeaaaaa i'm gonna press that X button.
Project_Zero_Betas 6y ago
Plenty of ECs/Mods know who I am IRL (and my life story), if they want to argue otherwise, that's their prerogative :-)
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HotelMohelHolidayInn 6y ago
u/CainPrice , what do you mean by "before Roosh went crazy"?
CainPrice 6y ago
Roosh in his early pick-up days was fine. Roosh in his political days, his anti-pick-up days, his the Jews are ruining the world days, and his religious days - all of those Rooshes are super-crazy.
HotelMohelHolidayInn 6y ago
He is pretty detailed in his discernment, so I don't know how you can give everything he has said with a scoff and awash.
CainPrice 6y ago
If you read Roosh's written text today, and even some of his older but still modern stuff, and think to yourself "That actually sounds really wise and well-thought out. Like some kind of modern guru!", instead of "Holy shit, that sounds like the ravings of a homeless nutjob who's been on the streets for the past few years", that says a lot about where you are developmentally.
HotelMohelHolidayInn 6y ago
Not an argument. There's soyboy panty waists that say the same shit about this place.
CainPrice 6y ago
You should stop looking for gurus and leadership and just look for useful information.
If reading something excites you because it makes you feel emotional, but it doesn't actually make you better at doing something, you might as well be a woman reading 50 Shades of Gray.
HotelMohelHolidayInn 6y ago
The irony and still evading from making an actual argument.
CainPrice 6y ago
Roosh's modern content does not warrant an argument. That elevates it to the level of something coherent and logical that needs to be responded to.
It is clearly crazy-talk to anybody with a brain. To respond to the Roosh of today seriously would be to elevate him to a level of seriousness that he does not warrant.
HotelMohelHolidayInn 6y ago
Why not?
So everything about game and pickup isn't serious, too? That's interesting.
CainPrice 6y ago
That's an interesting segue, actually.
Game and pickup is very much -not- serious. In fact, the entire point is to learn how to be light and fun, small-talk with girls, and make them feel things. Trying to be serious with girls ends up in a dry dick. Guys who take it all heavy and seriously tend to do badly at it.
It's called a "game" because it's supposed to be fun. Guys who play it like a game tend to do better.
Gustatory_Rhinitis 6y ago
Did I miss something? What happened, exactly?
ahackercalled4chan 6y ago
drama with the 21Con & RedMan Group. go through GLO's post history for the details.
capodonca 6y ago
This is a cool idea, especially for relatively new guys who don't know many EC.
adriano515 6y ago
This is an awesome idea, it would be nice if the community could post questions a day or two before and the mods choose a couple of them.
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Good thing im bad at making female friends, i dont really care about them (although i can joke around and talk to them). But the thing with friends is they're only good for when you interact somewhat daily with them. For example i dont really hang around (barely talk) with friends from past jobs.
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Maybe im missing something on friendship though ...
krayono 6y ago
Thank you for doing this
richarddbuckley4 6y ago
How old is this guy?
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This is cool.
Fatstupidvirginboy 6y ago
"Women are for sex. They make shitty friends."
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I have had plenty of great friendships with unattractive women. Id never try to be friends with a girl i want to fuck, for various reasons.
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CainPrice 6y ago
I'm almost 40. I agree that the mods should add an age question to future posts for this activity. If I started college in the 1990s, I probably have pretty shitty advice for a kid starting college today in 2019 who wants to navigate the college hookup culture. But if you want to know the ins and outs of online dating for people over 30, I'm practically a wizard.
Irtotallynotrobot 6y ago
I'd be down to hear the in's and out's of making a successful career in late twenties to early thirties.
CainPrice 6y ago
The basics still apply. Good pics for online dating. Stay in shape and look amazing (which makes you stand out even more among the 30s crowd). A fun profile, but not one that looks like a fuckboy or hook-up chaser - more witty and mature and established. Women in their 30s already know you'll take some fun if she offers. You don't need to tell anybody you're looking for fun.
Flirting is much more understated - it's just a given that single adults in adult dating situations have sex when they feel like it. So you don't have to try so hard. Just be attractive and fun and make your moves with confidence when the moment is right.
Women in their 30s have jobs and their own apartments and shit to do. They're too busy to fuck around playing games and pretending they don't like you that much to try to goad you into making certain moves. If she's meeting you at 9:00 PM after work on Thursday, hurry up and escalate. You know what this is. She knows what this is. She's got work in the morning. She needs you to hurry up and take her home and fuck her so she can shower and get to bed, not sit on your hands wondering if it's okay to make a move. The date is mostly a formality for you two to screen each other for craziness and compatibility.
Your job and status matter more, not because any particular woman is necessarily gold-digging or looking to marry you (most aren't). It's just more pleasant to 30+ women when they're dating a grown-up who has his life together. Women are attracted to competence.
Single moms are like shooting fish in a barrel. Despite the manosphere hype, they're not actually looking to find a new daddy for junior, and there is no way for a woman to lock you into any kind of obligation because this one time when you were over, she gave you the tour and you saw her kid's room. Single moms aren't looking for Dad #2. They're looking for fun on the weeks when the kid is with Dad #1. They want dick baaaaaad.
strikethrough123 6y ago
This is the second time I’ve heard that single-mothers are an untapped resource. Most put-together dudes avoid them like a plague so you’d have less overall competition.
Obediah_Stane 6y ago
Yup, couple of my best plates were single moms. Even getting dicked down twice a day wasn't enough. My god they were thirsty.
CainPrice 6y ago
Half the time, sometimes more than half, they're with their kids. Driving to and from school, cleaning up around the house, driving kids to activities, with hardly any adult interaction. At least when they were married, they had another adult to talk to, even if they hated him. Now, it's all kid stuff all the time.
When those kids are with Dad, it's all about hitting the gym hard and finding dick. That's her-time. She needs to cram a lot of fun and a lot of adult interaction into that time, because the rest of the time, the only people she has to talk to are her children, and having her children around makes going out at night to fancy bars, drinking fun drinks, and fucking fun guys impossible.
If she's middle class or higher, she's not after your money. She's getting money every month from Dad and probably working her own job. Sure, she'll take your money if you throw it at her, but she's more interested in your dick.
embracingtheredpill 6y ago
In that regard, have you heard of Black Dragon's blog and what do you think of him?
CainPrice 6y ago
Like everything else on the internet, some of his articles make me think, and some just make me shrug. It's not a bad resource.
embracingtheredpill 6y ago
Got it :) Have you used any particular resource on online dating? Or was it just trial and error?..
CainPrice 6y ago
A lot of trial and error. While there are a lot of general rules most guys should stick to, those are the stupidly obvious ones.
Pictures rule the day, be fun on sites that have profiles, not serious. With messages be fun and actually play the game - don't get all huffy and rattled when she shits with you or when she dates and fucks other guys.
And just practice your text and small talk game. There's no checklist anybody can give you for how to have a conversation that gets you laid. While women have a lot of commonalities, there are enough differences and enough factors that vary based on the particular minute and the particular girl you're sitting next to that you just have to learn how to read body language and conversational cues with practice and how to be interesting and fun in a way that works for you and most women you tend to go out with. There's no good shortcut for that besides just practicing, fucking it up 100 times, and not having a scarcity mindset where fucking it up with a woman is some kind of scary loss.
RStonePT 6y ago
It's difficult. I want to add to this, but it's as complete a profile of this space and it's people that I can see.
Your lsat line reminds me of what I was told my first day on board a warship 'day one, act like you know what you're doing and people will believe you'
I'm wondering, have you done much with any of the old PUA guys too, or is a passing knowledge of Mystery as far as you get into that side of things?
CainPrice 6y ago
I've read Mystery Method and thought the book was silly. It's interesting in an academic sense to see where many of the more modern ideas came from. Mystery was a weirdo with a top hat and boa who used magic tricks as an excuse to touch girls' hands. He was a creep and a half.
He had no idea how to actually pick up girls. He just watched the girls and the guys they went home with and came up with this list of 300 rules and techniques and tricks. Only 5 of them were actually important, but he didn't know that. All he knew was that if he did those 300 things, he sometimes got laid. He had no idea why. Which led to PUA guys with crazy ideas like which direction their feet point and when and how to sit in a chair and how to rock their body back and forth to look like they're about to leave and other weirdly specific and stupid shit that doesn't matter.
Modern PUA stuff was a lot better, but I think The Red Pill (old school TRP, not the modern incel platform it's become) was even better than that.
PUA circa early 201X was about learning recipes, while TRP was about learning in a more general sense what ingredients go together and how your oven affects sugars and proteins at various temperatures. TRP wouldn't tell you specifically how to get a woman, which made it really bad for dumb people and autistic people who need numbered checklists, but it would tell you how women work and let you figure out how you want to try to cook them.
JamesSkepp 6y ago
He didn't know that YET, we all didn't.
General concept sill works, you open from the side not from front, dependent on the context of course. This is both not to intimidate her if you're running high energy and to do a false IOD. You reward with attention by turning into her, you punish bu turning away.
Craziest story. A local PUA lair, me and 5 other guys, went to a nightclub for the first time after we met eachother in real life. There's one table free with U-shaped sofa, clearly this table will fit us only if we bunch up together sitting straight. But there are PUA rules to be followed and every PUA has to spread and stretch one of his legs and spread his arms on the sofa (Badboy's body language I think). So all 6 of us does this on the small ass sofa and we look like a bunch of fags having an orgy b/c there are legs and arms entwined with at least 2 other dudes. This all happens every time one of us gets up to open, get a drink, smoke or use the bathroom. We do this for 5 hours and on debrief the next day we all agree we had alpha bodylanguage and this is why everyone in the line of sight was looking on us. Fun times.
You use this to signal the girl you're qualifying her on her answer (or to do a false time constraint on the opener), this is nothing else than verbal push-pull reinforced with body language. A form of this is getting her hand up, like you're about to wrap your hand around her (RSD's "the claw") when you qualify her. She KNOWS you're about to wrap your arm (pull) around her but you stop in mid point (push), get her to qualify ("you're trouble arent you", more of a statement than a question) and reward if she complies.
KeffirLime 6y ago
This is hilarious, did any of you get laid?
I remember back in my younger days my friends and I used to go out and find the hottest girl in the club, if one of us got batted the other would would go in and "show how it's done".
It was like hunting for sport, but it sure as hell kept us on top of our game.
JamesSkepp 6y ago
I didn't that night, can't recall the rest.
Yeah, something like that.
Rothwayaw1 6y ago
What material do you think is best to study the old school TRP stuff from?
ThrowAwayWasTaken11 6y ago
I think the more frequent posts about sexual strategy drive the focus away from meeting and staying in touch with good male friends who are actually valuable in our lives.
clear_respect 6y ago
This is awesome mods. Keep up the good work.
BillyRedRocks 6y ago
This is a great initiative, guys. Hopefully it succeeds in removing some of the mysticism around this space.
TheFlyingPro 6y ago
Interesting project. Keep doing it guys
SeasonedRP 2 6y ago
Flirting with women, even when you aren't interested, is a great tip. If more people on here would just make the effort to socialize with women, they would get better at it and have much better results.
Verstappen3363 6y ago
Just be careful with these women you're not interested in, otherwise you end up with 'good morning' texts the next day.
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EmirSc 6y ago
/u/CainPrice
what's your tip for date expenses (50/50 or make the girl pay), how do you approach this topic with a new plate
CainPrice 6y ago
First date is always at a bar, not dinner. 5 minutes from one of our residences. After two drinks, you pretty much already know if she's going to fuck you. If so, close out and buy her drinks. If not, split the bill.
If you're not sure, you might as well buy her drinks and see if you can turn a parking lot makeout into a lay. If 20 bucks worth of vodka drinks is a bank-breaking expense for you, you have bigger problems than women.
BrownGummyBear 6y ago
$20 is not a bank breaking expense for me, yet I refuse to buy women shit. You start buying her shit before you’ve even kissed her once and you’ll start to put yourself in the “beta bux category” in her mind, no thank you
CasaDeFranco 6y ago
It's the price of admission for some women - avoid them. Approach it like this, I buy the first round, you buy the second. You can screen out women who are looking for a free ride. Personally, it's rare to see a woman expecting to be taken care of; but I tend to date young professionals who have a career.
EmirSc 6y ago
Thanks, what if you get laid, for further encounters what's the tip?
CainPrice 6y ago
The same until you see where things are going. A simple date with easy logistics for escalation and returning to one of your residences for sex.
Sometimes that goes on for awhile until one of you eventually ghosts. Sometimes that turns into skipping the date and just becoming a booty call thing. Sometimes that turns into dating more seriously.
It's up to her to distinguish herself and push for more than that. It's also up to her to screw things up.
It's up to you to have her and half a dozen other girls just like her and just keep dating and fucking all of them. You should never be the one trying to push for more or make a relationship out of it. You should never be looking for someone who is girlfriend material. It's up to a girl to prove herself, on her own initiative, not for you to try to cram her into your narrow good-girlfriend box of expectations. If you find yourself getting butt-hurt about a girl who isn't chasing hard enough or trying to be your girlfriend and is just enjoying the sex, you're too attached. Get a few more girls and fuck them, and cut back to seeing that one once a week max.
RedIsBestColour 6y ago
Wise words. Many guys still believe that they should look for unicorn. It's the other way round, the unicorn must find you..if she's not, she's not worth anything more beyond fucking.
Guys nowadays are so desperate they are the ones asking for exclusivity in fear that they may lose their sexual prospect to another better guy. It's on women to ask for exclusivity and for you to decide if she's worthy.
Myapproachingaccount 6y ago
This is one of the best things you guys could have done. Nice.
A suggestion based on what CainPrice said in a comment on this post itself. Give ECs a flair for whatever they are experts in. Like IM contributes most heavily to machianvellianism, CainPrice said he is good at online dating for men over 30. It might help when ECs get into a debate and/or give advice that conflicts with what other ECs say, or just help clarify things for newbies and intermediates.
rpsheepdog 6y ago
I like this concept of more background on who the EC's are.
thatdeterminedguy 6y ago
Philosophy has been telling us the same thing since the last 2 centuries .
"Men exist for the sake of one another."
-Marcus Aurelius 121 AD - 170 AD
hazelstein 6y ago
oof <3 Beautiful words
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hazelstein 6y ago
I learned this a while ago.
LeatherBoundWisdom 6y ago
Love this, looking forward to more.
TheNashvilleConnxion 6y ago
Money advice
I'd only add that if she doesn't respond in kind, goes cold, etc., then she's not interested in you and you can and should move on. It's very rare to warm a cold fish. You'll not be some women's type and that's okay.
MeansToABenz 6y ago
Going for the kiss and kino shouldn’t be too worrisome then?
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