This is the kind of shit that makes me want to go my own way. It's just not worth it. I'd rather enjoy my life doing things I like than pretend to be some sort of he-man.

well if you dont know the top dogs are actually redpilled but they play around the general public

When I was in high school and working at a fast food place, I very clearly remember try to tell a customer in person that the drive through was closed. This was at 3 AM and he was yelling at the order console over and over and getting progressively more frustrated that it wasn't working. The dude had to be in his twenties, was drunk, large, and obviously a mean large drunk because he parked his car in the drive-through, got out, yelled something at me, then proceeded to run at me to beat the living crap out of me. I hadn't even had a chance to finish saying "I'm sorry sir, but"; that's how fast this happened.

The gal that was working the front had followed me out the back door at this point, and so I yelled to her to get inside while I high tailed it inside as well to put some steel door between us. I just wanted to finish my shift and this guy was not worth my time. Crisis averted!

But, instead of just thanking her lucky stars that we avoided this guy, she flat out laughed at me for not fighting him. I remember that really hurt at the time because I thought she was really nice and cute. Heck, maybe I would work up the courage to ask her out? The possibilities made my head spin before that moment. That was all gone of course and I spared no thoughts on her after that.

I never understood the issue here though. I was worth her ridicule because I refused to thoughtlessly fight some asshole in a drive-through while working a job that paid little better than minimum wage at the time; and all this around 3 AM??? Sure... call me whatever you want, but I wasn't about to be literal dead meat for this poor excuse of a human; either of them.

Honestly, I didn't know RP at the time, but I had little patience for any girls after that point. I suppose I did the adolescent equivalent of MGTOW. It wasn't until years later that I ever bothered with girls again. Honestly, it was probably a good thing.

In the years since then, and I'm no spring chicken now, I've seen MANY instances of women expressing contempt for men who either refuse or fail to achieve, rising to the occasion however stupid it may be. I understand it now I guess, but I advise anyone guy out there to promptly dump any female that would waste their time, life, health, money, etc. with this kind of shit test. And let's be clear that's what these useless comparisons are. No woman has to let themselves be so weak that they go this way. It's a simple choice to not be the one that falls for some storybook fantasy. Go for the one that gets this point!

I posted this because I can see how guys take this kind of story to mean they just gotta "git gud" and train even harder and always be able to be the better fighter, the bigger asshole, or just plain old meaner. No... if being a better fighter or other kind of aggressor (bringer of lawsuits, harasser, bully, petty tyrants, etc.) isn't in line with your core purpose and someone looks down on you because you choose not to rise to that, then you've discovered someone in your life that you don't need to be there. Get rid of them!

Great post that serves as a reminder to never show weakness of any kind to your woman, regardless of how the culture tells you to share your feelings.

Nothing good ever comes of it, only loss of attraction.

This is all very true, and part of human nature.

However it's going to be more fuel for some guys who see everything in black and white and need more reasons to hate women.

'Fuck her, if I got the shit beaten out of me she'd leave me in a second. Fuck them aaaaalllll'.

It's almost like we evolved in a brutal, kill-or-be-killed environment, and women's sexual preferences evolved to provide their offspring with the best chance of survival in such an environment.

I think it’s dubious to consider this canon.

For example the type of girl to date somebody in the ufc may (shocker) have a strong desire for an aggressive masculine fighter, and him losing broke that weird fantasy. Most women don’t have expectations that high in regards to fighting.

I think it’s more important to observe the behavior after the loss. If his whole ego is shattered, then that is the real reason for unattration.

"I am finding myself attracted" - straight from the horse's mouth. women have no sense of agency, they are just leaves on the wind. environment entirely shapes them, to the extent that their instincts allow them

Very good observations. This is all true and clearly demonstrable with every day examples. It obviously goes back to our ancestors and our biology, which hasn't changed much. Tribe 2 invades tribe 1 and Alpha 2A beats Alpha 1A to within an inch of his life. Which man is a more attractive potential protector, with more resilient and stronger genes, according to Alpha 1A's (former) wife/mate? Clearly, if she chooses to stand by "her man," her and her children are again at risk of being murdered, raped, assaulted, enslaved, etc. Therefore, it stands to "reason" (hypergamous reason anyway) that the solipsistic woman looks out for herself and monkey-branches to Alpha 2A and quickly forgets about Alpha 1A.

Easy as this:

The more dominant you are OR at least you appear to be, the more tingles you’ll produce.

Treat women like sex objects, don’t worry about their feelings go for what you want and you’ll have endless sex nights.

So, what you're saying is if I want to fuck Victoria Secret models whenever and wherever I please, I just have to beat the shit out of Leo DiCaprio?

What about Justin Bieber?

Reminds me of the Lobster thing Jordan Peterson talks about.

Check out hybristophilia. Women will flock to a proven serial killer, send him love letters in prison, and attend his trial just to get a chance.

What about Brad Pitt and Edward Norton in that film that time...

Both get the shit kicked out of them at times but it's how they respond - maniacal laughter and NGAF along with them bouncing back - were their SMVs affected by this?

How about the main character in Never Back Down?

Bond in Casino Royale?

I'd argue that it's their response to getting beat down that determines this effect.

The UFC fighter probably had his frame being built on "I'm the toughest guy" and this, along with her illusion of him, were shattered.

In the annecdote, it says the boyfriend who is beat down by Dylan is already blue pilling it up at 23 talking about marriage and that he acted like a resentful bitch for 2 weeks after being beaten. He also tucked tail and ran when Dylan turned up to play basket ball - avoidant and submissive behaviour. It is his response that battered his SMV, not the beatdown.

Jordan Peterson talks about how when the alpha lobster is beaten, they don't just lose the top spot. They completely demote themselves to the bottom of the pack by internalising the defeat.

Lesson to learn: Don't be a fucking lobster.

"If any woman is reading this:"

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stop. I'm going to stop you right there.

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If this sub has taught us ANYTHING at all, it is that you can't learn anything from what a women says on mating and sexual selection. They've been lying about their dual mating strategy for hundreds of thousands of years. The ONLY reason we all know now is that we have the irrefutable data to back this up now through social media.

Don't ask a women anything, she'll only tell you what she believes you want to hear or what is best for the image of women in general: the so called halo effect.

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"Don't look at what they say, look at what they do"

Rich Cooper said it best: Men have to compete. Women just hang out at the finish line and fuck the winners.

As stated by the other comments, biologically it makes sense to lose attractiveness if you lose a physical confrontation.

However, I think it’s more HOW you go about the defeat than the defeat. If you acted like a bitch after you lose, that’s more damaging than the loss itself.

I hope my reasoning makes sense otherwise all fighters (MMA, boxers etc) are screwed since next to nobody has ever been undefeated.

Everyone is bound to lose a match unless you purposely choose opponents much weaker than you/worse than you

only if you allow women sexual freedom. you should never tolerate this crap from women and try to navigate it. no man is dominant in such a sphere, we are all submissive to female desire. if a muslim was interviewing that mma bitch do you think he would just observe and laugh about it? no he would tell her off and put her in her place.

I feel like Chris Hemsworth has a higher IQ than manoa.

Here's a bit of practical advice for the people who got all amped up after reading this and are about to step out into the real world and start swinging clubs and bashing heads. Avoid fucking fighting. Out of all the possible outcomes only a few really benefit you even if you win. But if you have no other option than to defend yourself then I guess it's a moot point, might as well smile for the camera

I really don't want to sound like a pussy but shit like this makes me want to not even bother. Why play this shitty game when you'll get fucked over one way or another? I've been part of this community for a while now and I'm still struggling with accepting womens hypergamy instincts and why I should even play along with it just for some sex?

Of all the times I've seen guys get beaten up by other dudes, every fucking time their women would be extremely supportive and go on a hate crusade against the other violent dude.

Your women are fucked. Your society is fucked. And sadly, that's coming to us.

This is why some MMA fighters refuse to let their wives or girlfriends watch the fights in person, and if possible, watching it on TV or video either. Best if she knows fuckall about fighting, because then she probably won't watch you.

Because (almost) everyone loses every once in a while - but many (most) women expect you to be 100% every time. So the only logical solution is to pretend that the losses never happened.

Honestly, this is why I think it's better if men remain peaceful to each other, physically and socially too. Because the moment there is confrontation, one person always loses. Meanwhile if there is truce in place of confrontation, the power balance is ambiguous, and both men profit.

And this is also why martial arts should be a prime directive for men to learn if they want to be attractive to women - muscles are nice, but fighting teaches you a lot about dominance.

I love how under the article about F&F starts' gimmicks, every comment is about how childish it is - which is EXACTLY an attack at their character for not wanting to be weak. This is the most meta part of this all - that even WANTING to not appear weak is perceived as weakness. Weakness is weakness, and fear of weakness is weakness too.

At the end of the day the solution is to put on a jester's profile, and suggest your surroundings that you are hardcore. This way you appear approachable, but dangerous. If you appear only dangerous, that makes you look like you are afraid of losing, because all you HAVE is being dangerous. But if you play the comedian in the meantime, you have a diverse set of skills, and as such, you don't IMMEDIATELY get the accusation that on account of being a one trick pony, you must be insecure about your one trick.This is why people like Dwayne Johnson take comedic roles too - it makes them look like they are just doing this for fun, and that they have nothing to lose. And this is why I think this kind of info leaking out is a PR disaster on their part.

This kind of mental jiu jitsu is what men have to put up with on a daily basis, and this is what women don't want to acknowledge, even though they are the ones who generate it. When you are in a group of acquaintances, and you KNOW deep in your mind that you HAVE to say something funny or noteworthy every 5 minutes or so, because otherwise they will start ignoring you, and you will lose from your immediate status. It's fucking ridiculous.

EDIT: Also, as Papa Fedor said:

https://youtu.be/A33Bb59M9-0

Well....we all know by now that poor guys girlfriend has already blown, and probably fucked Dylan 10X within a week of writing that. Two year relationship gone down the drain. If that doesn’t red pill you - nothing will.

This is typical alpha-male behaviour that we see in nature. Two monkeys, lions, birds or whatever start fighting and whoever beats the shit out of the other one is simply the one they will want to have sex with. I guess it goes back to strong offspring and this being a showcase of that.

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Now that males no longer have to fight and need other ways to attract women (like financial stability, status and being able to provide a certain lifestyle) it is interesting to see this is still profoundly present. I feel like I have overlooked an element of todays life where this is still active to this day.

The woman muay thai fighter is sooooooo DUMB! Maybe that's why she is single at age 43. And everything she said is probably her own insecurity and doubling down on her failed sexual strategy to preserve her ego. I've met women like her IRL, and I just roll my eyes and move on.

That's why I find hilarious about all of these fighter types. They never seem to realize that no matter how much you prepare, or how tough you are, even if you are #1, some pencil-necked dweeb like Kip from Napoleon Dynamite can kill or cripple you for life with a deadly weapon. So then, all their "preparation" was so much water poured on sand, and really just a way of coping with their own fear and insecurity of INEVITABLE AND INEXORABLE DECLINE AND DEATH. Like, you can be a 100% badass, but you will still get old and die (unless you choose the go out in a blaze of glory route, but endlessly opting for suicide missions). This doesn't mean that you shouldn't train and be somewhat prepared, but many of the people who go all the way with it, aren't doing it because of a pure love for it, but because they have a neurotic fear of being made weak, or being forced to submit, or being murdered, etc. Meanwhile, as subjects in a modern industrial society, they submit on a daily basis. They pay their taxes, their fines, they go to their jobs, they do what they are told. They follow laws. They submit. They do this, or else the paid killers and kidnappers show up to put them in a box, take their wealth, and or kill them.

Unlike this broad, many women actually realize this to some extent. These are the women that don't want their men going off to a war and getting killed. They are the ones that don't want their men in a dangerous profession. This woman would rather have the appearance of masculinity, the illusion of it, than the actual man.

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If you feel you have to compete with other men for them, you are doing it wrong. It's true, technically, that it is a competition, but by running around trying to one-up other guys, you are probably distracting yourself from your mission, entering into her frame, and not practicing abundance mentality. She should be competing with other women for YOU. These fighter guys are mostly never high value enough, because they are picking a very shallow metric of competition that is PERISHABLE, and most of them don't make that much in terms of income. Also, one or two injuries, and that's it for their "careers."

Funny- that jogged my memory. I remember reading an article about Jean-Claude van-Damme getting the shit kicked out of him outside a bar about 10(?) years ago. Aparently he was all show and no go.

...and that's the last thing I remember reading about him at all!- sunk without trace.

I'm in love with these kind of posts. Because regardless of how I feel like reading them, they force me to see reality for what it really is. Very enriching. Thank you very much.

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Reads like typical reddit fanfiction that has mental masturbation in mind- it's literal fiction for the cuckolds who upvote that shit because it gets them off. I wouldn't take it too seriously nor devote a post to it.

Okay, so we all understand the value of fighting. TRP decrees it.

Now who here is learning to fight? Anyone? Or are you guys just talking about it?

if these woman were getting good dick they wouldnt have left

I think this applies moreso to certain social circles i.e "Testosterone" driven circles and not so much more intellectual or artistic ones although what other people think about you does matter to a large degree; It's just kind of sad that as much as we've progressed as a race, we can't override these primal instincts and aspire toward a higher value system.

Also, that posts by the other girl seems to almost be trollbait.

so you're telling me that if you get beat up by a dude through no fault of your own even if you fought your best fight, there's just no way around the fact that you're relationship is fucked.

Like that's so fucked up. Cos the reality of life is that there PLENTY of guys who can absolutely woop your ass and what your saying implies that no matter how cool or alpha your mindset is, that just by whooping your ass, you lose your girl to these guys. that basically means it's completely out of your control which I don't believe.

I don't believe it,

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I believe that if you get your ass beat by some dude but take it on the chin like a champ, don't get your ego bruised and don't lose your frame, then you won't lose your girl. The guy in that story who got beat up clearly was very butthurt and lost his frame to that guy completely, so how can we know if that wasn't the major key in why it fucked his relationship up.

i mean it's the same with anything, if you lose your job, you can't control that and if your GF saw you as alpha prior to that, she won't just drop you as soon as you lose your job, she'll drop you if you cry about it and shit but if you take it like a champ and keep moving forward and show strength in defeat, you'll be ok.

That's what I think anyway.

it just seems that if girls are this way that you describe them where if you get beat up, you're done with zero nuance, then your relationship is built on RIDICULOUSLY weak foundations. I mean Rollo tomassi has been married 23 years, say he got beat up in front of his wife one night by bad luck by some huge dude who can fight well, what is it over now, they get a divorce because of some random bullshit that he had no control over.

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I don't buy it OP, I think it's about maintaining frame in defeat, not just never being defeated.

The female UFC fighter said she was upset by the way her bf lost. As in, he kind of acted like a bitch while going down. She said she would have been fine if he went down like a man.

I also think that IMGUR reddit thread is fake. I've seen a few like that.

This reminds me of an AskTRP post, where a dude got himself in a situation when they were attacked and his gf (who carried) shot a perpetrator... and he was having second thoughts for all the next week or something.

Anyone remember any follow-ups?

The world of men has always been about domination. Turn the clock back to the caveman tribes - the leader of the tribe was the strongest male. As much as we’d like to think otherwise, we still possess a lot of primal instincts and this is an example of that.

I have an average looking friend. This dude had the hardest hands growing up. I’m talking the dude would punch 3 people in the face back to back and knock them all the fuck out. Constantly had women all over him and fucked all his friends ex girlfriends too

Chaos is a ladder. many who try to climb it fall, never to climb again. The fall breaks them.

Fascinating. The girl wants to not feel the way her body make her feel.

Hypergamy doesn’t care about anyone’s rationale.

Even if you're being attacked, you have to show equal and no more aggression and just enough to stop the fight. Otherwise the law will see you as the aggressor and its jail time for you. (yes cops get called in non-shithole countries).

You also have to hope if you fight back and you knock him over that his head falls right and not hit it in some way where he falls, hits his head and dies, then it's manslaughter.

It might be the hardest thing to do for a man, but you must not engage in a fight. Even if your woman will leave you. Prison time is not worth it.

"Mate guarding" explains why successful leaders' wives get fucked by one or several of their honor guard.

When you're the king, you're probably too old to defend yourself and your family physically, so you offload that responsibility to your personal guards. Since you're a successful king, you have the best, biggest, brightest guards. Since you're a successful king, you have a pretty hot queen and/or girlfriend. And since you're away often for diplomacy, that's a lot of free time for your buff guards to spend with your wife.

Therefore castration became the norm if you wanted to be a highly paid guard in the service of the king.

>There have been no such reports of concern about appearing weak on screen by actors like Keanu Reeves or Tom Cruise

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They are not action stars. Also Keanu as Wick or Neo basically kills everyone elses character to the point he's the most feared character in the whole movie. He win the fights.

Have you ever seen the movie where Hulk Hogan got his ass beat in a tutu? Difficult to watch.

I had a similar issue, with someone I wasn't even dating, but was sort of courting, I suppose. A bunch of guys approached her when we were sitting in a (very noisy) bar and tried to chat her up. I took one look at the situation and decided not to bother, and left the situation. I wasn't even dating her, anyway. My (unspoken) strategy was: "I'm leaving this situation, you can stay if you want, but I'm not your personal bodyguard."

As we left the bar later, she basically asked why I hadn't intervened in some way. I had to explain to her, as one might to a child, that it's foolish to risk losing your life over confronting a gang of idiots being boisterous in a bar.

She didn't get it, because she had never been beaten up by such people, never had a bouncer refuse to lift a hand to help deal with them, etc.

AWALT as always. Getting into fights over women isn't worth it guys.

This is a good thing. Without this the human race may not have survived - accept this and keep growing stronger.

I don’t think this applies in all cases. Just take a look at Andy Ruiz the short fat Mexican boy who beat an Epitomate Alpha Male Anthony Joshua for the heavyweight boxing belts. I don’t really see AJs woman or female fans branch swinging for man like Ruiz.

However with regards to the chick in your post she probably feels that way because of context. They are all MMA fighters which puts them in the same social circles hence she likely already has some relation or “access” to this other guy and once he beat her boyfriend she got the feels for him because he got one up on him status-wise.

An idea that crosses my mind is if they had a rematch and the boyfriend got his redemption, would she jump back on his dick?

Dwayne Johnson had to take a shit ton of steroids to get to the level of masculinity he is today. That's what it takes to be masculine in today's society now. Just lifting isn't enough, you have to take some form of exogenous testosterone if you want to look properly masculine - simply because most casual gym goers are on steroids these days. Instagram is full of "fake natties" i.e. lifters who take steroids, but pretend they're natural.

you can avoid it by avoiding women

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It’s biological. Dunno why we need to reenforce this or why OP has this fact lost on him enough to write this essay on it.

It’s in the sidebar. Over and over. This is nothing new.

Yes, it is inevitable. You end up being responsable for every little aspect of the fight; not being prepared, choosing it in the wrong time, not knowing if you're going to win, etc.

That gets the tingles on the ladies. But, if you were to be assaulted or beaten by a huge guy out of nowhere, I'd say even thou you may lose atractiveness, it wouldn't be relevant because you couldn't have done much.

So it's important to clarify that there are different outcomes, some of them not even worth discussing.