After you gym, shoot some hoops.

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Solo, playing horse, half court 2 on 2, or full court, it doesn't matter.

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Basketball is your friend.

Perfect example: https://youtu.be/FxPIODzh70o

Some ideas for people looking for a hobby that will improve flexors/balancers:

• Brazillian Ju Jitsu - Core flexibility, core strength and endurance
• Bouldering - Balance, pulling strength and grip strength
• Boxing- Balance, endurance, and agility
• Skating/bmx - Balance, agility

BJJ and kick boxing are the best activities I've tried for improving coordination and poise.

Judo helped immensely with coordination, and when I decided it was too risky, I switched to swing dancing which is even better as I get to put my hands on bitches.

Lol i agree with this post but unless you are taking roids, you wont have that “bodybuilder look”

A natural lifter will generally have more of that athlete look

I’ve been saying this for years already. Most red pillers need to pick up a sport for cardio and to lean down. I usually lift and play basketball after. I occasionally throw indoor pool swimming in there once in a while. The most aesthetic bodies are the athletes, not the bulky gym rats who couldn’t run to save their own life.

In my experience, I currently just lift with no other sports and I have been asked if I was a boxer before and get mired semi consistently. Guess genetics plays a big role too.

Zac Efron has that athletic body..I would take this body over someone extremely buff..

I felt much better now that I'm a lean 170-175 (at 5'10) than a few years back when I was really into body building and I was a lean 190-195.

I am so much quicker and so much more flexible. I loved looking ripped as fuck at 195 but feel so much better at 170.

Would training Sambo be considered an athletic sport?

you're right. there's definitely aspects of my physique that are from doing bjj as opposed to lifting. i feel like grappling did something along the lines of "glueing" my musculature together. #broscience

firas zahabi - a well respected mma trainer - says he can tell someone is a fighter just by their shoulders. and if you look at most high level grapplers, they tend to have the same build.

HIIT. Sprints, ropes, sleds, ect. Best bang for you buck.

Will playing basketball and lifting weights help me achieve this greek body?

I'd recommend full body stretching and/or foam rolling. Most lift with incorrect form and limit their range of motion and it causes imbalances and tightness in areas that wouldn't normally be

I spend more time stretching than I do at the gym and I lift heavier, run faster and recover better every time. You just gotta sacrifice your numbers for a couple months. There's a solidity or strength in my movement, almost like I'm slowed down from lifting but I move very naturally and fluidly, which makes it look like I don't lift at all when I'm wearing clothes

Like it's better to have amazing posture than to walk like you are carrying watermelons

Looking aesthetic for the most part is a result of diet. Naturally if you lift and play a sport you're burning up more calories and as a result can get away with a bit looser diet. I remember when Michael Phelps was on top of the world at his Olympic performance where he took the lead in most swimming medals. In an interview he said he took in 11K calories a day. But he was working his ass off in the pool and gym. Muscles are built in the gym but they're shown in the kitchen.

I've played a lot of sports, not well but I played them. The one I noticed that was the best for what OP is talking about was boxing.

Athletic ability and coordination is mostly genetic. All you can do is provide the right stimulus, and your genes will express themselves. It's good to read up on what's under ones control and what isn't, so you can direct your efforts towards the right things and stop wasting time.

Suggested reading:

The sports gene - David Epstein

Body by science - Doug Mcguff

Ever catch something before it falls or manage to stay balance/on your feet? Women will always comment immediately in approval.

I can tell you’ve never even touched the sidebar. Imagine trying to compare the SMV of a lonely bodybuilder to someone playing a D1 sport at a big college and thinking the only reason girls prefer the latter is “athleticism”. Lmao what happened to this sub.

Fame + potential for money/money + aesthetics clearly trumps just aesthetics. But no, to you it’s just that the other guys throw a ball around when they aren’t lifting weights that makes them more attractive? Do you see how stupid that sounds? Lol I think you’re just trying to protect your ego because you know you’ll never get to that D1 level of fame and so therefore telling yourself that doing some sort of “athletic” activity is going to make you look better...

You’re also not recognizing different people have different genetics. Even if I were to believe that you have the experience and ability to estimate other guy’s bf% (you don’t), some people are just more symmetrical than others. Different people have different gaits and different levels of confidence in their walk. The fact that you don’t acknowledge this is astonishing.

Anyways if anyone does want to incorporate “athleticism” into their strength programming, box jumps and farmers carry are great exercises.

Just my 2cents this post is garbage

Something else that needs to be considered is stretching. If your tight (especially in your hip flexors) it will reflect in the way you move. Your feet will be more prone to point inwards (beta) vs directly ahead or slightly outward. Strengthen opposing ABductor muscles to correct (glute medius). This will also help to correct knock knees which looks equally beta.

Also if you have anterior pelvic tilt you mine as well be walking around as a girl (butt sticks out). To correct, Strengthen abs/glutes and continue stretching hip flexors.

I don't know if coordination is what's responsible for the difference you're seeing. It's more like the difference between picking up and dropping a heavy object in the same repetitive motion for five years straight versus changing up your workouts to hit different muscles in different ways. Or maybe the difference between dynamic full body movements and using a weight machine.

The general point is correct - it's stupid to be physically fit but not actually physically active and capable. A guy who's jacked and super ripped who can't catch a ball and runs the same way a fat person runs is silly. It's a great idea to add a sport or martial art to your life. Something athletic besides just lifting.

Yeah man, I had a girl to compliment the way I ran as I was missing my bus...

I think it's a mental thing. I lift for sport and I train people to lift for sport. Even the fat guys on the team will walk around with more swagger than anyone whose in the gym just to look good.

Of course, how you carry yourself matters. I move gracefully rather than hastefully.

strength training is the answer. (vs bodybuilding)

This is a great post. I'd like to add that athletes also generally have better form because their risk of injury is higher.

“You would think they look aesthetically similar”

No you wouldn’t. Why would you?

That's why you do calisthenics lads :)

Thats why lots of Hollywood actors do functional Training besides lifting heavy stuff. Not because it looks fancy but because it makes them look better

True. basically what Jeff Cavalier always talks about. conditioning the muscles with practical movements.

This is spot on, spending a lot of time doing a dynamic sport really helps with coordination and general motor skills, I think it helps when it's something that requires good technique like martial arts or swimming, but you are basically teaching yourself how to control your own body parts. It also has the added benefit of being able to pick up new sports really quickly because you already know how to control your body.

Think of it as the difference between a new born lamb and an adult the lamb looks really awkward on its feet because it can't really control its own body yet

There are other ways, arguably better than sports to gain posture and asthetics.

Yoga can be incredible. Advanced Yoga can tone, add upper body strength and give a huge amount of 'body awareness'. You can become much more connected to your body.

Another way is by doing Alexander Technique. This is THE shit, and an secret weapon.

Train with a Alexander teacher and they will basically reset your entire posture to the way it was at birth. Prefect spinal alingment. They then teach you how to move from your joints. How to move properly. It opens your entire body and you move effortlessly.

The best acting schools in the world all use Alexander Technique, and many dance schools. It gives actors huge stage presence, and allows your body to always be 'open'.

Beauty is, once they've reset your body it states with you for life. You can do a couple very simple exercises and boom, you're back in alingment.

You just 'hang' from the top of your spine. I did it in acting schools years ago, and the difference was incredible.

You're honestly spot on. A lot of others here will mark this down as BroScience or say it's not true, but the fact is, that's because a lot of Red Pillers aren't ex-athletes. They never did anything athletic in their lives, and now are just lifting a bit.

There is no question that a combination of lifting + general athletic movements produces not only a great looking body, but also the most functional, injury-resistant body. Plus, I would take a top tier athlete's body any day over a "men's physique" body. A big part of what you're noticing is that the athletes know how to move around fluidly, smoothly. Unlike a gym rat who has a few muscles but couldn't play basketball to save his life.

This is pure truth. I've been an athlete all my life and I very conciously, through diet and exercise choices, make sure that I look and move more like an athlete than a body builder or power lifter. The difference is immense.

Those "blobbish" guys are the ones who are stuck on working out only on sagittal plane (as are 98% of the people who go to the gym, including most likely the more advanced "redpill lifters").

If you want to look like an athlete, workout like an athlete which means that you need to stop doing only workouts which hit sagittal plane.

Doings sports of course helps but you can have the athletes physique (lookwise) by doing only gym if you just pick up correct excercises.

yeah no. The better looking guy probably has better insertions, symmetry, and balance to his physique

I think what OP is getting at (from a scientific basis) is the development of often overlooked muscles like deep muscles or flexors. While these don't give the appearance of bulk, they help you to move fluidly and have better posture. These muscles can be tricky to isolate which is why athletes are more developed in these regions.

If you're curious, check out this page on skeletal muscles.

Also, here's a couple of resources:

https://exrx.net/Lists/Articulations

https://exrx.net/Lists/Muscle

They used to have this cool thing with a diagram of every muscle and you could click on it, but they got rid of that and now they just have naked 3d models which is pretty lame.

I've noticed this too, getting big from the gym is great, but it won't change the very way you walk like being an athlete (in my case hiking) will.

in my experience you get better reactions from women when you walk like you can burst out running at any moment. I'd like to guess that maybe women are actually noticing leg/core strength that most gym bros lack, BUT every study on it I've seen showed that upper body strength is what contributes most to a man's attractivenes so.. I guess it's a mystery, but when I finish any endurance activity every girl I meet seems to give me IOIs, maybe it's just the dopamine hit.

Dynamic movement and wanna look swag?

Latin dancing for people who wants to allocate time away from sports/gym. You learn to lead physically, identify IOIs from women who want you to lead the dance, learn to ask girls out to dance with you on the dance floor, dance to the beats, learn to move your arms and hips to music, etc.

Yes a thousand times. Physically, you want to get as close as possible to a combination of an athlete and a boxer. And that's why I'm not sold on bodybuilding. Edit: also do mobility exercises.

This whole thread is tall guys and guys who think they're tall desperately trying to jerk themselves off. Girls like muscles, period. Doesn't matter if you're walking with the grace of a swan or the shuffle of a lunk.

That's not what coordination is at all. What you've described is a mixture of genetics, body fat levels and possibly muscle imbalances.

Yep agree. Part of the reason I’ve not totally given up on the cardio. The benefits outweigh the additional gains when lifting in my opinion.

At one point, someone made a post about how lifting and having big muscles gives an allusion that you are strong and a killer.

It's partially true to the point that you are strong, but you may or may not be a killer.

I personally train BJJ and have had big buff motherfuckers come in and even after over a year of training, I still get a little intimidated at first, but after a few rolls, you realize most strictly buff dudes don't know shit when it comes to fighting or grappling.

It's a great illusion that they look strong, but being swole doesn't directly correlate with being a killer.

Its all about height bro. Coordination don't mean chit. A 6'' will always look better tan a 5'5'' regardless of ''coordination''. Sucks.

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As much as lift heavy is promoted here - and it’s good advice - if you aren’t able to do stuff like mud runs, play basketball, soccer, whatever you might be entering bloat lord status.

Keep your body fat low. It’s impossible to get “too big” for women without steroids, but you can get too big if you become a power lifter or a strong lifts 5x5 meme junkie.

I keep my body fat between 10% and 16% depending on the bulk or cut. Yea it makes progress take longer at times but never stop being aesthetic

I might had said the short version of this.

Functional strength > bodybuilder body

I don't lift heavy things to build my body, I do calisthenics and jump rope (poorly) and I can lift heavy things because of it.

By no means am I saying calisthenics is better than lifting weights, nor am I saying weights are better than calisthenics. Simply my preference, but OP has a point.

Don't just lift weights, do some cardio, go for a hike, ride a bicycle, join a dodgeball/softball league,

I agree. Boxing and BJJ really helped my body change. I have lifted for 12 years, and done boxing BJJ on and off for a total of 2 years each. I also played various sports in high school and throughout life. Ultimately, though, without a solid diet, it didn’t show through.

However, even with a solid diet and just lifting, having athleticism definitely did make a huge change in the way I did everything.

Sadly, to see the real results and without taking TRT or tren or similar, it’s really an all inclusive game. You have to diet, lift, and be all around athletic involved in some time of exercise that involves powerful dynamic movements. Then, you see the 1 in 1,000 guy show through.

My god are some guys seriously just lifting? I'm a man, one hour of gym 5x a week isn't enough. I want to climb mountains, ride bikes, spar at the boxing gym, play tennis at the college courts, swim in the river, and everything else I can think of. I want to conquer the world! Not because I read 10,000 essays on the internet, but because I have testosterone and I embrace it! All these words and philosophies and strategies are part of the problem. Philosophy and conditioning made you into a nice guy or a loser, learning more of it wont help. Unlearning it and being who you were born to be is the solution, and we were all born to be men goddamnit!

This is plain bro science.

A 5'10 gymrat at 185lbs and 15% will aesthetically look exactly the same as a 5'10 gymrat at 185lbs and 15% who happens to play basketball as well.

There's no reason for there to be a difference.

I recommend an Olympic lifting program for people who want to build power AND coordination. The lifts can be extremely frustrating yet so rewarding. I'm currently doing the Juggernaut weightlifting program w/ a bodybuilding routine added on. The entire program can be found online and there are plenty of youtube videos to help with you form. I wouldn't recommend it to any novices that really have not mastered the mind-muscle connection.

Personally, I have trash rotator cuffs due to a shoulder injury in high school. As a result, my posture has been ass and I have struggled with tons of muscle imbalances. I started the Oly lifitng program 6 weeks ago and I'm already noticing massive improvements in my mobility and muscle recruitment. I just feel much lighter on my feet and my movements feel more efficient. Like I feel like a hydraulic press most days. Also, my posture has improved greatly.

As I said before, I wouldn't try this as a novice. You can really hurt yourself failing a Snatch or a clean and jerk. But it feels great to be able to throw 225 pounds over your head like its nothing.

Every muscle fiber is innervated by a motor neuron which relays signals into the spinal cord and up to the cortex and in this case cerebellum. Those neural pathways are strengthened every time by positive stimulus.

This sounds stupid. Coordination and posture are things you can develop without even going to the gym or doing any special training/doing any particular kind of dance or sports class. Simply hit the gym, do pecs and back excersies and notice your posture by the end of the training - chest widely open, hands on the sides, back straight up. Take note of it and try to keep it throughout the day and there you have it.

What matters though (and what I've noticed through seeing many of them) is that calisthenics develop a much more natural-looking and aesthetic physique than weights. While it's possible to create a routine that would aim for aesthetics, doing excersies with your own weight can't not make you develop in natural proportions.

Look at videos from any workout competition or google photos of street workouters, compare them to your regular bodybuilders and gymrats and see what I'm talking about. Bodybuilders may be bigger, may be more or less aesthetic, but street workouters generally are more aesthetic.