People are crying about this behavior being “sad”, “unfair”, and “not nice”. But it’s a day 1 truth to accept.
Trying to view women’s behavior through the lens of modern “traditional” relationship values acts like people can ignore tens of thousands of years of human behavior. They don’t want to accept that they could possibly give something (love/commitment) that isn’t fully reciprocated.
This thread tells me there’s a lot of chumps who refuse to read and accept the sidebar. No women will love you like you love them. Move along.
I’m not going against what you are saying but I would be mad. I am mad because I trained my damn dog better then that , also I am mad at myself because I let my dogs needs go unmet. So at the end of the day if my dog eats from others it’s because I didn’t train it well enough , which could cause my dog harm.
(I don’t know if it works like that for marriage and women - anybody from TRP can confirm or deny , fresh out of divorce, no rape - not angry just looking to learn more on their nature)
Such a powerful message and completely true. If you are in an LTR or married, you would be very lucky if all your SO has done was texting with another man.. really lucky.
And there's absolutely nothing you can do about it.. the easiest girls to flirt with are ones in a relationship because you aren't competing with multiple guys for her attention.. no.. you are only competing with one. If it's a supplicating beta... all bets are off.
Hence why you always never put your woman as your number one priority. Never pedestalize a girl.. not even your wife. it's fucking stupid.
Put your work first.. your career, making more money, doing things that pleases you first, experiences, your kids, the house you own, heck..
You should be the one who allows her to be with you, not vice versa. You make rules and she either obey them or you will find someone else who will. She should understand that if she did something wrong then it is a good bye. The problem is - it isn't possible (or just too hard) when you are married. In married life she can say "fuck you" at any time because there are no consequences to her, but you are restrained because your money will be hers if you divorce.
Listening to groups of women talk, it often seems to be that 99% of female conversation consists of them helping each other justify whatever they've done recently (and helping them undergo mental gymnastics so that they can feel that they were on the right side of whatever argument or emotional drama recently engulfed them).
Dude I've seen that happen so many times. A girl will always cover for another girl, unless she is after you too. The only thing that will break that loyalty is competition.
Put your work first.. your career, making more money, doing things that pleases you first, experiences, your kids, the house you own, heck..
See I completely disagree. Your wife makes your children. Your children creates your future and the future of your community. That is what built everything we have and what will build everything in the future.
What you're saying is bitterly true though. And your advice to not put them on a pedestal is excellent. They don't like that and it's a perverted role. Women can't respect men who do that.
I just think that while your conclusions are pragmatic, they are equally hopeless for our future. I think we should just make adultery illegal with severe penalties again. It might not stop it all but it's going to fix enough of it to save our souls.
I just think that while your conclusions are pragmatic, they are equally hopeless for our future
Yes of course. There’s nothing we can do about it though.
I think we should just make adultery illegal with severe penalties again.
Who is we? Women are the majority of the electorate and supplicating beta males are another 40%. Nothing useful will ever be accomplished through a democracy
I imagine you are the kind of person who waves a white flag and bends over as a first strategy.
I'm not into sodomy myself, so I'll leave you to it.
As for the rest of your stupidity, women and betas follow leaders. They aren't the leaders. And in case you didn't know, the US was never a democracy. It was a republic and that means there are principles that cannot be infringed regardless of what the mob wants. And there is a reason for that and it is because of exactly the comment you made.
You realize you are solving problems that were already solved, right?
or better never get married or enter LTR. Just not worth it anymore. People who don't follow red pill and mgtow are also now wanting to avoid marriage because women are not brining any value to the marriage, little do they know that they are fucking around too.
This is so disgusting!
What's worse is people won't openly talk about it because they are still living the Disney fantasy of - trust.
This definitely seems to be the majority opinion but what about the men that want to have a family? I don't see that discussed as much, and I think we desperately need more men that embody TRP to be a strong positive masculine influence for the next generation.
Live close to each other, walking distance even, but not under the same roof. Make sure you actually buy the child's needs directly, reduce the actual cash you send to the woman to a minimum. See them most of the time, but not all the time. Keep plating at your house.
I got hit on so hard at the gym the other day. This woman, out of no-where just hits me up and starts chatting--clearly displaying some level of interest. Then, I see the fattest diamond ring on her hand. I suddenly feel sorry for the poor bastard who shat out 10K to be reciprocated with a complete lack of commitment.
It's just laughable that some guys are stupid enough to believe you can "buy" a woman's loyalty.
My sister has a coworker that just got engaged. She said to me "she has this huuuge ring on her finger I can't imagine how expensive it was" and I just replied "fucking simp"
Maybe he pissed her off? How many mistresses does he have affording a rock like that? Maybe the "poor bastard" Doesn't Give A Fuck? Avoid divorce rape through infidelity, not all the laws are the same, shit gets weird.
I'm not saying you are wrong, just don't always feel bad for the guy or assume he is a loser.
Looking at marriage the way men do today is a very new thing. This microscope did not exist 25 years ago, the fallout is why we have the data.
You have to remember for women that there is a difference between flirting and cheating. Women flirt for fun and sexual validation. She likes to see that she is desirable to an attractive man. Doesn’t necessarily mean that she will cheat
Yeah she will cheat if she’s unhappy with her relationship. But women will flirt even if they are happy in their relationship. The ones who flirt will not necessarily cheat.
This guy is black, so what goes on in the back community may be an exception... however the rest of the video is bullshit.
Women don't fuck 100 men by age 30, average # of female sex partners is 4, according to the CDC, kinsey report, and the university of Ohio, which hooked them up to polygraphs still found average of 4.4 sex partners. Cock carousel theory is dead.
Alpha fucks beta bucks was a hoax. DNA studies showed the real cuckolding rate is 1.5 out of 100. The 1 in 10 theory was flawed, bc they took it from men who sought out court ordered DNA test bc they already suspected the baby wasn't theirs. Cuckolding theory is dead.
And the real kicker? Men who were good providers were the LEAST likely group of males to be cuckolded. Women don't want to risk losing a good provider. The cuckolded men were the broke ass, non-provider males, exactly the ones you see clowning on the maury povich show.
And yet I fucked a 20 year old Asian university student recently, who goes to the best university in the country, 2 hours after approaching her on the street.
She proceeded to tell me how her friend decided to go for '100 miles' for her 20th. (1 mile = 1 man). She even showed me a picture of her friend holding up a sign saying "100 miles" and a used condom that was a celebration of her 'achievement'.
That's because you are a filthy degenerate with low morals, who goes out seeking women who are just like you. Water seeks its own level. Scum attracts other scum.
This is sound advice. 80% of women at gym are showing themselves off like peacocks to mate with. Men at the gym are fit and more time likely to be better looking in physique fhan you.
Lol this is part of being a man. We are always at a disadvantage. Have a smile on your face when life challenges you to be better. You should not think how life is unfair—it is. You should instead think how you can overcome obstacles.
There is nothing worse than a weak mind that keeps men down.
5 of my childhood friends got married in the last few years. Only one of them had a bachelor night, the other 4, the future wife banned them from having a bachelor night (but all of them had bachelorette nights). The one that did allow him to have a bachelor night... was only allowed one if she planned and turned up at it.
It's their own fault though really you are setting the frame for her dominance over your marriage by allowing this behavior in the first place, then the guys are so surprised when they cheat...
That’s BS. I was just part of a wedding (two of my friends from HS). And we did a 4 day destination bachelor party. Not sure what the bachelorette party was but it was likely much tamer. Those 4 guys should have left their bride at the alter
If I hear the words "You're not ALLOWED to" it's over. Period. I dont like the gold digging, hypergamy obsessed hypocrite of a mother I did get stuck with. I damn sure wont tolerate having a second one. For all her flaws, my girl knows, bone deep, that telling me I'm not ALLOWED to do something reasonable is a one way, irrevocable ticket out the door.
Yup Christ. She can tell me she dislikes me doing something and that’s ok (maybe we can discuss it, maybe not). But telling me I can’t do X is BS. Especially if it’s an important event for me or my friends. The hypocrisy in this example of denying the guys a bachelor party and having one for the girls is bullshit. Grow some balls
Sleeping on the sofa / couch whilst she sleeps in the bed when she is "mad" at them for some percieved slight.
When she cheats and you argue, she kicks you out of your own house.
In quite a lot of cases women will hit or slap their husbands with no recourse. If there is recourse, the Police turn up and arrest the men.
The only thing I have noticed is that the wife will change after marriage to becoming a complete cunt (which IMO is their real self that they were careful to hide) whereas the only change of the men is to become subdued.
If you try to redpill them they will turn on you, with or without their masters wives in their presence. I learnt that the hard way... now if I am mixing with people and they show BP attributes I just excuse myself.
I'm naturally a "helper" if that makes sense so it bothers me when I can't help men be the best they could be.
As long as they dont have kids, all good. Married women without kids might as well not be married, the whole point of marriage was to ensure paternity and provide a stable family unit, for the kids benefit not the parents.
If they have kids, fuck you it's no longer amoral being a potential homewrecker that hurts those kids. Anyone that adulterizes a married woman in a family with kids can go to hell.
We know womens nature. They dont give a fuck. We cant blame them for being pieces of shit that lie and cheat on their spouses as soon as higher SMV dick shows interest, that is just how they are.
We arent built the same.
A man can fuck another woman and give no shits, shes just a fuck. He'll go home to is wife and fuck her the same and still love her the same.
A married woman cant fuck another man without first abandoning emotional attachment to her husband and all but abandoning him at the first opportunity to attach to a higher SMV male that offers commitment.
A married woman cant fuck another man without first abandoning emotional attachment to her husband and all but abandoning him at the first opportunity to attach to a higher SMV male that offers commitment.
They can. I've seen in first hand more times than I can remember. One attachment is lust. The other attachment is comfort. Which do you want to be?
Be careful juggling the moralizing hand grenades. If you confuse should with could, it goes to a bad place.
Well there is a shift from a romantic emotional attachment into a more "family" emotional attachment. That is to be avoided at all costs.
Another high-smv man being involved can tilt that scale over regardless of any can say or do or try. If a high enough SMV man from outside the marriage shows interest and pursues her, there is literally nothing the husband can do short of violence. Because AWALT, she will have sex with the outside high SMV male one way or another. Her own father/family may be an effective impairment to that, but not always. The biggest factors she will consider are "what are the chances of her being caught" and "will I lose everything if I do this, AND will I potentially gain a higher SMV male?"
If your wife sees you more as a brother to her than a fuck-partner, you're already in a bad place. She will only look up to 1 man at a time as a "father" archetype who is also a "worth sperm-donor" for her.
Shift? I doubt many (not all) married men have actually seen real lust from the women they married. I did a big comment on this, but I need to put a post together. In fact, I don't think a majority of men have seen lust. They are just happy when women agree to fuck.
I don't understand that. I don't even want to fuck a woman unless she's at least as eager as I am. I can't.
Literally. I get limp dick. I've been in that situation where she's like "you can put it in if you want while I lay here like a dead fish" and I just go limp and end up leaving. I'm a nympho but I'm not into that.
Well no. Don't over think that. "agree to fuck" is in the game. They want it. They enjoy it. It's the vast majority of consensual sex. But it isn't lust.
So when a married woman screws around, she has zero fault in the matter? An interesting take I suppose, but we could turn this around and say men's nature is to screw any woman they can, and they can't be blamed for that--that's just how they are. Women, on the other hand, are the gatekeepers of sex. If sex happens, it is because they made it happen, and thus they are the ones who should be blamed, particularly a married woman who took commitment vows.
I find it interesting how tradcons do all sorts of mental gymnastics to avoid addressing men's and women's biological natures so they can blame men for everything and hold women faultless no matter how deplorable their behavior may be. This kind of logic is why women get favorable treatment in family court and face fewer and less severe consequences when they commit crimes.
Women should be blamed for their behavior based on current society. They arent retards with no intellect. On average they are smarter than the average man because of the Bell curve.
But reality is that we are living in a clown world that gives women assumed agency based on preconceived notions of said agency that are completely fabricated, none of it is based on actual analysis of female behavior.
Courts favor women as if they had no agency because realty is they dont. Yet for some reason women have equal rights and equal powers over government. They shouldnt, but they do because the people at the top wanted voters that were easiest to manipulate.
Notice the female vote was implemented in 1920 by a bunch of fucking marxists. They needed an excuse so they made up a bunch of lies and started "feminism." Women like free shit and are easy to manipulate, so of course they went along with it.
And how many women died for womens suffrage? None. They didnt have to sacrifice jack shit to gain that power. Maybe a couple days (every weekend for a year) on their feet marching around mildly uncomfortable. Not like the men that died for our constitution and freedom from oppressive government. Not like the men that saw their friends killed in front of them and risked being shot as treasonous enemies of the crown.
It does take some fucking insane mental gymnastics to say "women should be allowed to vote, but not required to sign up for the Draft (even for non combat support roles)" and "there is such thing as no-fault divorce" - fucking bullshit, someone is always at fault when any other contract is broken, yet divorce is treated special, mostly because women are the ones to file for divorce 80% of the time so of course...
This. Society is manipulated into wealth transfer to women via divorce. Women spend with no consequence. A man might save all his money away but a woman will spend it on designer shoes. When you spend money it gets taxed then goes into the system to get taxed even more. It's in TPTB's interest to transfer wealth from the men who make it to the women that spend it. This is why divorce rape is encouraged.
Furthermore society is set up so there's no consequence for a woman who goes bankrupt. If she runs out of cash she can just monkeybranch to a new rich guy. Whereas a man who runs out of cash has to go bankrupt, or to jail.
It's a clown world indeed and where do you find clowns? At the circus. What do you do at the circus? You sit, watch, and be entertained. You don't participate. Which is why MGTOW is so appealing. I don't really agree with the MGTOW perspective of not fucking them though. We need to fuck just for optimum test production. We don't however need relationships or marriage.
I know all this. And I chose to reproduce, because in my opinion if you dont reproduce you lose the game. The game, and purpose of our million years of evolution, is to reproduce.
Now reproducing without getting fucked over by the state? That is winning the game, in my opinion.
Immortality? The universe will end, humanity will exist for what amounts to the blink of the eye. We are monkeys on a rock living for the briefest of moments in time.
As long as they dont have kids, all good. Married women without kids might as well not be married
THIS
I know so many recently married with no kids or recently engaged with their long term boyfriends who are flirty AF and I'm willing to bet that a few of them now are probably cheating on their men or at least talking to another guy. If I wasn't such a Beta/Nice guy a few years ago, I easily could've had a couple hook ups with these females back in college.
Hell, I might try and see if my theory is right now.
If they have kids, fuck you it's no longer amoral being a potential homewrecker that hurts those kids.
What if the "homewrecker" would be a significantly better father figure than biodad? Your final paragraph is a good description without your personal moral bias, which seems to hinge on the "homewrecker" label.
We know what marriage is today. We know men's and women's nature and roles. If I don't know/respect the husband, and she's clearly interested, it wouldn't be my responsibility to do anything to protect a relationship that is clearly already damaged if things have gotten to that point.
They are smart. Up until they have to make a decision about procreation and sex. Then the lizard brain takes over.
Men are primitive about sex too. The difference is busting a nut isnt a big deal to us, so long as we are busting said nut preferably with the assistance of a woman
Look at the gays vs. the lesbians. One group is having a good time, the other is miserable and U-hauling.
actually married woman without kids make no difference. because hardly there are chances that if she fucks another guy that she will end the marriage; they will still go ahead to have kids. So same logic and morality applies here too.
She may not, but the husband will. His sole benefit of the marriage is to ensure his paternity of the kids.
Regardless of that, unless hes a cuck with no self respect, he isnt going to stick around a cheating whore.
But all women are like that, so the morality of breaking up a family with kids does rest on your shoulders as the outside man ultimately. You can hamster all you want. But that's just how it is because awalt, and there will always be a higher SMV male than the husband.
Actually the husband NEVER finds out. that's the saddest part. Because women have the capability to not feel guilt at all, thus not coming clean - and cheat relentlessly. Like I came across one case today in which a fiancé had cheated with her co-worker and introduced her fiance to him just one month later. Yuck. Do women have any moral at all? and why do they even enter relationships and marriage - for status and drama. At least when men cheat they feel guilty. I seriously am facing hard time understanding how did women get this way?
Any smart husband should be keeping tabs on his wife without her knowledge. Not because shes bad in particular, but just because awalt.
Women have always been this way.
It's the result of tribal warfare and their ability to only produce 1 offspring at a time.
For 100,000 years human life went like this:
Enemy tribe attacks
Generally all or most men from the losing side are killed.
Male children from losing side sometimes killed.
Old women are killed, or maybe ignored. Maybe raped by some of the lower tier attacking males.
Fertile Women and girls are captured and raped, then either abandonded, kept as slaves, or sometimes kept as wives (usually the younger girls)
Women that were raped and abandonded by the attackers typically died without men around to take care of them. Their options were to try to win over the attackers or move to a new village and quickly try to find a husband incase they were already pregnant. Pregnant women in pre-civ did not do well without a man, the majority died.
Women taken by the attackers had to comply or be killed.
Why do women behave like livestock ready to be shipped to a new owner? Because for 100,000 years that is exactly what they were.
Them being anything other than a baby-making womb is an entirely modern concept that really only started in the last few hundred years and requires an abundance of economic and social stability to maintain.
I'll get called a misogynist anywhere else for pointing this out. Truth pills are red.
I love the idea of women having individual responsibility and agency and a conscious like men do. Nature dictates otherwise. They don't.
The key to all of this is that men and women are different. Not bad, just different. When one first learns what you just said they go through the anger phase. The key is to not hate them for their nature.
Dont hate them. And don't expect them to be more than what they are. We were all sold some Disney fantasy that they were so much more... but the truth is pussy is waaay simpler than that and waaaaay easier to get into. It's actually pretty great imo.
"Them being anything other than a baby-making womb is an entirely modern concept that really only started in the last few hundred years and requires an abundance of economic and social stability to maintain."
that's an incredibly dark way of looking at women and frankly I can't see it even though that misogonyist 5% of me would love to believe it lol.
women have personalities and qualities other than sex that make them LTR worthy.
my ex stood out from the majority of women SO MUCH that she ended up being my GF.
unsurprisingly she not only had an incredibly strong relationship with her father. but her father was also a tall, jacked, strong framed, alpha as fuck dude.
so basically she had a very strong and admirable father figure in her life who she loved a lot.
no surprise that she's a top gal. no unicorn, I don't believe in unicorns but still a top gal.
My first requirement for dating any woman is if she has a father and who he is. I’ve seen such a difference in behavior based on if they grew up with a dad versus without. How can I expect to model a family with a woman who’s dad ran away (because her mom nagged him)
Yeah I am a capitalist anarchist. On a typical political compass that would be bottom right, to an extreme. Anti government, for absolute economic and social freedom. Let people do what they want and the market will self correct all of our current problems because most of our problems are results of the State.
Fuck the tradcons. They are all talk and a bunch of cucks that dont realize the government is only there to fuck them.
It’s true that they get over them more quickly but if you aren’t a complete beta and get a new gf/ are seen by your ex with other girls (and you completely ignore/ reject your ex at every opportunity). Then the ex will obsess over you forever. Especially if you really did treat her right (pass most comfort tests). And then the next 10 dudes that ran thru her ghosted her.
Here's the thing....I'm tapping right the fuck out of normal LTR's. Part of the logic of spinning plates is that women give you less drama when they know they are fungible. Another part of the logic of spinning plates is one woman doesn't have 100% of your pussy supply. Lastly, seduction skills erode, and I'll admit I've been lazy, or you'd be seeing headline posts by me.....I need to get on the ball, since the holidays suck for seduction....point is, I've been under the barbell for a year, need to tighten up the diet & drinking to get rid of the last vestiges of love handles, and get serious about pulling new women into my life. I'm not going to do all of that just to settle for one!
It is necessarily bad ? Well if she want to be dicked, she will find a man, better to have one that will limit that to sex from time to time if she already has a familly than one that want an LTR.
A true redpilled man may actually improve the stability of the couple of the beta... While a sligthly better beta or an alpha with enough beta tendancies to think of commiting are dangeurous.
Actually the kids always make the situation more stable, this is just that the consequences do mater while with no kids, it does not. Women love their kids and this is maybe the biggest moderating force to their lunacy.
Being a plate to a red pilled man that will never commit is adding even more stability. She get the sex she want in a safe situation where there no reason to divorse.
The problem would be if she would get to find another man, that is alpha enough to get her tingle, but beta enough to marry her or provides commitment and even take care of her children. This is the real threat. Beta men that agree to commit and care for another man kid.
The funny thing is that the redpill guy that does not commit will be shamed while he bring stability while the beta guy that will commit will be considered as a good man while he bring doom.
Ah, that is an interesting take. I think it's actually a pretty good one. An alpha or "bull" could keep the woman from looking for other men that would be actual potential threats to breaking up the marriage.
Though it does require the husband to never find out, or to be a cuck who is okay with it. It also requires an alpha "bull" that would never ever even consider giving her anything other than sex. I don't think any of those conditions can last perpetually.
This was common prior because it was not acceptable to divorse. It is still common for married couple to stay together for the children. It is still common on some famillies or countries.
I think if you are smart and have empathy on both side, you can continue for the benefits of the kids, and you can then separate when they are 20 or something or never actually.
I don't think a real man would want to stick in an LTR with a woman that obviously can't be fairful, that has kid and must be at least a bit old, most likely post wall. He would keep her as plate or leave her.
There no point for an alpha to settle for second choice. So I think the problem is not there.
As the beta, if the woman is smart enough to stay kind with him, I think he will stay.
Anyway this is just that reality is always more complex. We want to see action to do or avoid in absolute terms, but most often there isn't perfectly moral or immoral decisions.
I am not saying doing it with a married woman is moral, and personnally I don't care that much. I think more that if she want to do it with me, she will do it anyway with somebody else.
The thing is even if you take a single woman, you likely prevent another man to make his life with her. That man may stay single or have to cope with a far lesser woman as a consequence. You also rob him you know.
It is also immoral to take money that is on the ground. If everybody is honest, nobody except the owner will take it...
And is it really stealling ? You can't own a person. Everybody is free and responsible of his behavior. If she want to have sex with you and you don't force her, is there really a profound moral issue ? It isn't worse than a seller that try to sell you a more expensive product, a man that use game to make him appear better than he is or a smart man that use is superior IQ to make a successful business ?
In life you use your strength to advance and that's always unfair to the one that do not have it. Whatever you take, it is somebody else that is prevented from having it...
There some rules of fairness that we do respect... I agree. But if you go too far, try to be too kind, you just mark you as unfit to be in the gene pool.
The thing is even if you take a single woman, you likely prevent another man to make his life with her. That man may stay single or have to cope with a far lesser woman as a consequence. You also rob him you know.
Ok I think you may be retarded.
It is also immoral to take money that is on the ground. If everybody is honest, nobody except the owner will take it...
Depends what ground it's on. On the floor at my house? Yeah that's stealing from me. It's obviously mine.
You hamstering big time bro.
Morality is this.
Dont steal, don't commit violence. That's about it. Its very simple.
Ruining a marriage with kids is stealing, from the kids of that marriage.
Had a married girl drive an hour each way to my place just to give me head and leave. She got off work early that day, her husband never even suspected a thing.
I banged her for about 3 months, then she broke things off. I still see her pics on insta with her husband. They live out of the country now. He has no idea.
its toxic feminity. MGTOW guys are right the way our society has taken its routes, it's openly allowing women to practice their toxicity and hypergamy - leading to betrayal and cheating. There were certain ways our society had to avoid this - but feminism destroyed that.
It's no longer a society when such behavior is allowed from both sexes. At best it is a jungle, at worst a bad alternate universe where we are governed by kids.
I dunno. It seems like most of the guys I know are looking for a solid monogamous relationship, I think because they can settle that part of their brain and focus on their career or their hobbies.
America used to be a nation of tinkerers, back when most guys could afford a garage to work in.
If you're not married, why dafuq would you live with a bitch? So she can get tired of your ass and cheat faster? So she can keep you on a leash?
Fuck, if I'm ever dumb enough to get married, I'm getting a 2 floor House and we each have our own floor. I can't do the Cleaver/ Beaver bullshit, I'd blow my brains out.
It's less of my opinion and more of TRP thought last I checked, although it seems every time I spend a few months between visits the general sentiment seems to be getting softer. If you live with a woman you lose so much leverage and independence.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but guys do live with women often, even guys on TRP.
Most guys will at some point in their 20’s.
I’m in my 30’s and divorced, I’ll never do it again, but no one could have warned me otherwise. My ex wife pussy was pretty good... good enough for me to sign up for marriage like just another fool
Isn't it funny that most of religious text and ancient wisdom asks men not to lust and steal another man's wife. But no such rule is been imposed on women.
The girl that I've been friends with benefits just asked a guy who had crush on her to drop her nearby to my place. Of course she lied to him and told him she had some work to be done. And all I could think all day long was sorry for this dude.
TRP won’t like this, so I’ll eat my downvotes for this, but there’s a lot of half-truths in this video.
The biggest example was him saying that women only wear make up because they are looking for their next adventure with a new guy. This is half true. The other half is that she is competing for your attention with every other woman in the room.
You absolutely do, you just don't know conciously. A good, subtle makeup makes a big difference, don't fool yourself by listening to women saying "we just do it to be more confident, not for men!!".
This may be true for your average western woman devoid of conservative/religious upbringing. But I do know several women in the Midwest in religious communities who are genuinely conservative Christian types, some that aren't even on social media, that do not act like this. Yes they are very few and far between but they are out there. Just saying.
The bigger better deal was someone who she could manipulate with concepts like monogamy and faithfulness. It happens everywhere ; they leave when they think they have found or can find something better.
How exactly would you prevent/discourage cheating/encourage her to cut other men short when they hit on your girl ?
I know this may be a slightly wrong question as general TRP consensus is if she wants to cheat she will/being controlling is beta but surely there is a way to at least influence against such behaviour?
Your smv better be top notch where she would be devastated if she lost you. But this still isn't a 100% guarantee that she won't cheat. The best mindset to have in LTR's is you can easily replace her if things go south.
Why would you invest your time and resources in a game you're bound to lose? Just accept the human nature and move on. From my experience the women with strict boyfriends/husbands are the most wild in the bed.
You don't. You accept the fact that this is the nature of women (swallow the red pill). And adjust your life accordingly. Spin plates, focus on bettering yourself, build your own life and your own legacy. And don't put women up on a pedestal and think you found yourself a unicorn, because they don't exist. You set boundaries and when they cross them you next them and find one. And remember the isn't "your girl" it's your turn.
Ultimately if she decides to cheat, that's her decision. You can try to stave that off by being high SMV and being an Ace in the Sack.
That said, there's different levels of respect.
It's one thing to cheat with discretion --- it's another to try to throw it in your face/ right in front of you.
I've not had a girl I've already fucked do that (but a few times, pre-fucking, I've had the jealousy/ competition thing).
Probably depends on the situation.
Like a few chodes cat-calling your girl? Tough call, is it worth coming to blows for "respect" or something? Rare situation. Maybe tell them to suck your dick as you're speeding off in a car ... LOL. But sometimes you gotta swallow your ego.
Is your girl responding to such bullshit? Well, if she's acting like a hooker and disrespecting you, that's a dumpable offense. Definitely don't play into it by giving her jealousy/ attention. Ignore it, chuckle at it, if the bitch don't get in line, tell her CYA ho.
Most of the time if the girl actually likes you, she'll recoil at most "suitors" -- most of which probably disgust her even when she's actually single. If the guy is super hot Brad Pitt, again, it's about respect. If she respects you, she'll keep her pussy in her pants, at least in front of you. If not, she don't respect you dog.
Kinda new to Red Pill theory. Are there exceptions? Surly there a couples who are happily married and committed right?
Committed? Probably. Happy? Eh. They're few and far between, more the exception than the rule. Especially now in the digital age where online dating, DMs, etc. Are at fingertips and easy to hide/ delete. Women are constant attention and validation seekers. And the amount of thirsty men out there are endless. So when there's the inevitable rough patches and some guy starts paying her some attention you're rolling the dice.
Good video, but this information is nothing new for anyone who has read the sidebar, its red pill 101. Every woman is a slut for the right guy, welcome to hypergamy. The world has spun for thousands of years with women's destructive nature under control, modern (western) society has undone all of that. Enjoy the decline by lifting, learning game, and gaining wealth / status. Live for yourself.
This applies to men too, not just women. If somebody really hot comes along and presses your buttons right, even if you have a girl at home, are you going to resist? Many of you probably wont. Same applies to women. Human nature.
A man usually cheats because he is horny. He can still love the woman he is with after that event. A women cheats for other reasons and when she does it's likely over
To be fair, I wonder how many men(in the US of A) are also promiscuous. Monogamy is unnatural. And that does not make it a bad thing. But it means that it requires discipline and social conditioning. Thanks to hookup culture, people are actually having less sex! That is, a significant majority. Whilst a minority is getting lots of sex.
Monogamy is unnatural. And that does not make it a bad thing.
Civilization is also unnatural. Do you know what other things are natural? Rape, cannibalism, the law of strength and dying of curable illnesses. Would it be OK if I crush your skull with a rock while you're asleep, rape and impregnate your daughter, kill your male children and your wife? Because that's the future where we're going towards with this whole "natural" logic. Monogamy is the optimal social arrangement for sustaining civilization, all the other forms are fertility negative, and get eventually overrun by patriarchal, monogamous systems that are.
I don't see why is this a cold truth. It's actually a very good thing for high SMV men interested in spinning plates. I can take care of her sexual needs while her boyfriend takes care of her financial and emotional ones. Win-win for me and the girls.
I feel like there's a handful of issues, this being one, that a lot of people here are uncomfortable with even though they're a direct result of the core principles of TRP philosophy.
This sub is overrun with people complain about shit they should have accepted as true and moved on to take advantage of, vs crying about it “not being fair”.
I asked my horse. He says neigh. Truth is nobody had sympathy for me when I was in my rage phase (it sucked). But it was the tough love of this sub that helped me accept and internalize it all.
That's not the problem! The issue are the lying and mind games. This is evil. They could just be honest about their wants but they want their cake and eat it, careless of anyone that will be destroyed alongside.
That's not the problem! The issue are the lying and mind games. This is evil. They could just be honest about their wants but they want their cake and eat it, careless of anyone that will be destroyed alongside.
Few problems with this. First, the majority of guys are not going to want a serious relationship with a girl who wants an open one. Second it makes them look like whores for wanting to fuck multiple guys while having a LTR. Lastly women are all about covert tactics, it's their life. They're like that with each other. Every girl/ girl interaction is like an onion. There's different layers to everything. Unspoken language that they communicate with. False compliments, nice when dealing with them then talk nothing but shit about them
If she's getting around... he fucked up. Bros before hoes. IMO that applies to my actual bros, of which, there are few. Outside that circle, reality is harsh and life fucks everyone up. It's why most of us are here in one way or another.
There is a reason the ancient religions kept women corralled like livestock where it was easy to keep an eye on them and know what they were doing. And the punishment for adultery was severe (meant mostly to punish unfaithful married women or men who slept with married women).
If you haven't realized you can, at least temporarily, lead a woman around like a mindless lemming - you haven't practiced TRP in real life long enough or you don't have any SMV and need to lift more.
To a high SMV man, at least at first, a woman will worship the ground you walk on and do anything you say.
check your reading comprehension, jesus christ I expect better than this from someone trying to insult me. it's like an insult that someone this dumb would come to insult me, send someone smarter to insult me.
yeah I've had a rough morning, sorry mate. I'm not mad at you. Just been dealing with other idiot clients all morning.
I think the real lesson is that most people are deliberately self-interested and won't sacrifice their individuality and will always be looking for the next branch to swing to. Men do this, too, I really get the whole "hypergamy is real" thing, but today that bridge is getting smaller and smaller as most people can just fend for themselves and have their own independent lives. Most TRP guys will probably downvote this but I believe the real goal of TRP is to become the strongest individual you can be, so that IF you decide to raise a family you can find someone with similar attraction and life goals so that you can live happily and prosperously for your children
EDIT: I will add that partnership is difficult, and if there isn't a common goal in each other the intrinsic nature of the relationship will evaporate, it's why vetting is so important and knowing yourself and your mission is even more vital for the sustenance and long-term success of any relationship. I appreciate TRP and respect its work, and I think it does in fact practice what it preaches, but I think a more nuanced perspective is always the way to progress the missions and life goals of the people who pursue truth and success in their lives, which is the ultimate goal I feel, to become the best version of yourself, and that is definitely something TRP epitomizes.
Just people, don't marry a bad person or someone of low moral value and conviction, men and women are different but we're not THAT different, especially from a modern socioeconomic standpoint. However it is like the chimpanzee and homo sapiens distinction, that small differences really changes how live our lives and women live theirs, it's why women have more fun in their 20s and men (generally) have more fun in their 30s and forward, 20s for guys is rejection and investment time, we are expected to put in the work for the hypergamous females coming after us.
Would really love to continue this conversation with someone, I love talking TRP and haven't posted on here for a while. And for those who think there aren't women who are loyal the way men have to be, we all have individual responsibilities and I don't think that subscribing to this fatalist perspective is the proper way forward. Again, the men on TRP are those who were burned, but there is no reason not to want what women want, we all want the same fucking thing
In a word? Fulfillment. Happiness and positive emotions and peak experiences and all that. I think of TRP as the individualist perspective from the male-centric viewpoint. It's why WE focus on things like getting to the gym, "Mission 1st", etc., because that's OUR cross to bear. Women have a very different perspective, they have to maximize their sexual capacity before they hit the "wall", or whatever point their sexual availability wears out and then they get the scraps. They know they're on a ticking timer counting down, but they don't know when that is or what to do about it, so they throw everything at the wall until it sticks.
My view is that people are people. We are all trying to make it in this crazy world, but more importantly we want to matter. Everybody is somebody, everybody has something nobody can take away from them, and that is where all good things come from. IT'S THE TRANSCENDENT that fulfills us, not the material or even the physical.
I know what my life is about, I know I have infinite value as a human being, and I know what I want to do with my life. But not everybody does, and it's each and every one of our responsibility to find that for ourselves, and it's only through that we can be satisfied with ourselves and our circumstances. But we still need connection, we need to satisfy sexual desires, and we need to feel like we are planting trees under whose shade we shall never sit in. In other words, a legacy.
It's the desire for something immortal that keeps us surviving as a species. It's why transcendent value trumps everything else, because it's eternal. An example of this is when something is so amazing you can't put it into words. That peak experience is a tangible example of getting to the transcendent. It sounds like hocus pocus, but if it was we wouldn't be here trying to living up to our potential. The best version of ourselves is within us, TRP helps us to maximize our reproductive capacity, which is the best way to guarantee the survival of our bloodline.
There is way more to this than that. But here's the TL;DR:
A big reason most people live unhappy lives is because they aren't happy with themselves. The reason people cheat, cut corners, shop around, lie, manipulate, etc. is mainly because they don't know what they want.
I think, in all honesty, that Classical Feminism (that's 1st wave to I THINK 2nd wave), is very much in service of men because now we don't have to worry nearly as much about resource hypergamy. The focus is on loving the person, not what they can provide us. This goes both ways.
But the main narrative for women to have their version of double standards hurts everyone. The men who come here lost need to find themselves, and it's people like you who ask honestly that will get the answer. Ask and you shall receive, choose who you want to be, the squeaky oil gets the grease, etc. These are all truths.
I could go on and on lmao but I subscribe to making the collective strong by creating strong individuals, and that you can become the best version of yourself. If you build it, they will come. Feel free to PM me if you have any more questions. Best of luck!
I think it's always a temptation to fall into those things, but an amount of steadfast self-control, and an eye on the prize is always a means of establishing your capacity to rise above. Let the masses eat their own tail, I'll be over here drinking tequila from a bikini girl's navel
That almost happened to me, thankfully what I can only attribute to as divine intervention stopped me from almost ruining my life. I didn't have a strong male role model growing up so I had things like TRP, the Greek stoics, JBP (yes JBP), and other successful figures teach and coach me on how to conduct myself accordingly. It's been years since my childhood but I am currently working to complete closure with my past, it's been a long road but I've feeling gotten to a point where I am no longer recognizable as my parents' son, and that is one of the best things that could have happened to me
Eh i feel like this vid is pretty extreme and really doesnt apply to all women. Sure it applies to the typical sorority girl but there are tons of other girls out there who arent nearly as bad. AWALT to a degree.
Do not actually do this, but think of this as a thought experiment. If you are dating a girl, and you asked to track her location on her phone - 99/100 they are gonna flip on you, call you psycho, controlling etc. But seriously why would it be such a big deal? If you are in a LTR theres no reason to hide or care of your partner knows your location. I think if a man gets married he should preface it that he would like to track her location and is able to look at her phone at any time. In that case it would be tough for her to cheat. Girls will just cheat in vegas with no follow up communication, but most of their cheating involves an emotional side - and I actually would care a little less if it was a random guy in Vegas with no number or follow up. If a girl agreed to that and a prenup, I might actually consider marriage.
Its not about tracking her. Its about whether she would let you or not - the point of the thought experiment is that 99% of girls would freak if you asked them. Of course she can still cheat - airplane mode "i dont know what happened" etc.
Sickem_roy 5y ago
Every chick is the same
You shouldn’t love a girl
Only good for sex
If they aren’t down to fuck You then they can get the fuck out of the way.
deterlaettis 5y ago
Damn, feel like I just swallowed the pill again. AWALT
carnivalofsoles 5y ago
Pure cuck mentality. If you seriously believe every woman in a relationship or marriage has cheated you need to end your subscription to pornhub
Who the fuck is my girl gonna cheat with? There is no-one better. Good luck with being a player in your sixties
GAndGMethod 5y ago
not only are all women always single, those ltrs some of you trick yourself into are nothing more but long term plates.
MightisRight19 5y ago
“They Ain’t No Fun, If the Homies Can’t have None”
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_Tactleneck_ 5y ago
People are crying about this behavior being “sad”, “unfair”, and “not nice”. But it’s a day 1 truth to accept.
Trying to view women’s behavior through the lens of modern “traditional” relationship values acts like people can ignore tens of thousands of years of human behavior. They don’t want to accept that they could possibly give something (love/commitment) that isn’t fully reciprocated.
This thread tells me there’s a lot of chumps who refuse to read and accept the sidebar. No women will love you like you love them. Move along.
six-acorn 5y ago
Don't blame a dog for being a dog.
It's like leaving a Filet Mignon in front of a hungry Rotweiler and saying "Doooon't. Staaaay."
And the dog does stay. At first.
Oh and by there way there are actual 1,000 different cuts of fresh, premium, prime choice meats just sitting right under the dog's nose.
And the dog --- bless the dog -- actually didn't touch or lick any of them. Day after day. Wow!
Then finally -- one day it scarfs one or two of these choice cuts up.
Hey, it's a hungry dog. It does what's in its nature. It was nothing personal. Nothing against you. Why were you shocked?
YoungUpNdComing 5y ago
I’m not going against what you are saying but I would be mad. I am mad because I trained my damn dog better then that , also I am mad at myself because I let my dogs needs go unmet. So at the end of the day if my dog eats from others it’s because I didn’t train it well enough , which could cause my dog harm.
(I don’t know if it works like that for marriage and women - anybody from TRP can confirm or deny , fresh out of divorce, no rape - not angry just looking to learn more on their nature)
six-acorn 5y ago
Maybe dog is a bad analogy because some were bred to be obedient.
There was a recent story about a Lion trainer man or something in South Africa.
He was, after years, finally disemboweled and eaten by his "buddy" Lions.
Did he think he had "trained" them to be just like house cats?
Probably. He believed that probably for a decade. Right up until his head was in its jowels.
Life would have probably been easier if he just faced reality: This creature is a lion. Respect it; know its nature.
"But I wish reality was different!"
Great. There's a difference between what you want, and what actually is.
MaterialVirus 5y ago
Yeah I think the dog analogy wasnt a good one, but your message was solid and made the right point.
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Well I just fucked my 21yo baby sitter (I'm 33)... she has a bf back in germany.
Such a cutie, so much fun on all fours :)
Anyway this all rings true.
I'd really like the next generation of Men to learn this up front so there's no time wasted with shit like marriage...
lala_xyyz 5y ago
You know, in some other times guys like you would be having their heads chopped off.
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Allah ackbarrrrr!
Would the head chopping come from you?
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_Tactleneck_ 5y ago
Exactly.
Sad to come back into this sub and see people complaining about stuff like this instead of accepting it as truth and moving on, Jesus.
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Andgelyo 5y ago
Tell me something I don’t know dickheads, this video was essentially some guy telling us what we already know for 7 min. straight
the99percent1 5y ago
Such a powerful message and completely true. If you are in an LTR or married, you would be very lucky if all your SO has done was texting with another man.. really lucky.
And there's absolutely nothing you can do about it.. the easiest girls to flirt with are ones in a relationship because you aren't competing with multiple guys for her attention.. no.. you are only competing with one. If it's a supplicating beta... all bets are off.
Hence why you always never put your woman as your number one priority. Never pedestalize a girl.. not even your wife. it's fucking stupid.
Put your work first.. your career, making more money, doing things that pleases you first, experiences, your kids, the house you own, heck..
Internalize that message..
TheGreatConst 5y ago
You should be the one who allows her to be with you, not vice versa. You make rules and she either obey them or you will find someone else who will. She should understand that if she did something wrong then it is a good bye. The problem is - it isn't possible (or just too hard) when you are married. In married life she can say "fuck you" at any time because there are no consequences to her, but you are restrained because your money will be hers if you divorce.
marplaneit 5y ago
This should be first. Never put a woman you are dating before you. 100% guaranteed you will regret it.
LondonFighting 5y ago
Just got out of an LTR when I pedestalize the girl. Never again. I swear to god.
Thinkingard 5y ago
It’s also disheartening how often women will encourage and support their girlfriends cheating on their significant other and justify it.
cdh1003 5y ago
Listening to groups of women talk, it often seems to be that 99% of female conversation consists of them helping each other justify whatever they've done recently (and helping them undergo mental gymnastics so that they can feel that they were on the right side of whatever argument or emotional drama recently engulfed them).
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Oh 100%. Not even just with sex. Can be anything from eating something unhealthy to spending $75 on a pair of yoga pants.
MaterialVirus 5y ago
Dude I've seen that happen so many times. A girl will always cover for another girl, unless she is after you too. The only thing that will break that loyalty is competition.
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Aro2220 5y ago
See I completely disagree. Your wife makes your children. Your children creates your future and the future of your community. That is what built everything we have and what will build everything in the future.
What you're saying is bitterly true though. And your advice to not put them on a pedestal is excellent. They don't like that and it's a perverted role. Women can't respect men who do that.
I just think that while your conclusions are pragmatic, they are equally hopeless for our future. I think we should just make adultery illegal with severe penalties again. It might not stop it all but it's going to fix enough of it to save our souls.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Yes of course. There’s nothing we can do about it though.
Who is we? Women are the majority of the electorate and supplicating beta males are another 40%. Nothing useful will ever be accomplished through a democracy
Aro2220 5y ago
I imagine you are the kind of person who waves a white flag and bends over as a first strategy.
I'm not into sodomy myself, so I'll leave you to it.
As for the rest of your stupidity, women and betas follow leaders. They aren't the leaders. And in case you didn't know, the US was never a democracy. It was a republic and that means there are principles that cannot be infringed regardless of what the mob wants. And there is a reason for that and it is because of exactly the comment you made.
You realize you are solving problems that were already solved, right?
wildtimes3 5y ago
It’s funny how the government enforces all other parts of the marriage contract with the gusto. Infidelity? Whatever
Imperator_Red 5y ago
All the other parts benefit women
linkinway 5y ago
or better never get married or enter LTR. Just not worth it anymore. People who don't follow red pill and mgtow are also now wanting to avoid marriage because women are not brining any value to the marriage, little do they know that they are fucking around too. This is so disgusting! What's worse is people won't openly talk about it because they are still living the Disney fantasy of - trust.
NorthEasternNomad 5y ago
Just...never get married. As a guy in an LTR (though likely not for much longer) just dont.
Learn to cook. Clean your own messes. Get fit. Dont get married. It's pure drain, no gain.
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iamaiimpala 5y ago
This definitely seems to be the majority opinion but what about the men that want to have a family? I don't see that discussed as much, and I think we desperately need more men that embody TRP to be a strong positive masculine influence for the next generation.
majani 5y ago
Live close to each other, walking distance even, but not under the same roof. Make sure you actually buy the child's needs directly, reduce the actual cash you send to the woman to a minimum. See them most of the time, but not all the time. Keep plating at your house.
XtoDoubt 5y ago
Non legal marriage in a non common law marriage state. Call her your wife and raise kids. Consider keeping the marriage open.
Lateralanouncer 5y ago
I have tried twice. I now just pay my monthly child support.
Brutal13 5y ago
You pay after you digested redpill or it happened before?
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mydogfartzwithz 5y ago
Literally 100% true. Any guy that picks a girl over a real bro will 100% become sad and hate the rest of his life. Seen it happen. So sad
Dnuts 5y ago
I got hit on so hard at the gym the other day. This woman, out of no-where just hits me up and starts chatting--clearly displaying some level of interest. Then, I see the fattest diamond ring on her hand. I suddenly feel sorry for the poor bastard who shat out 10K to be reciprocated with a complete lack of commitment.
It's just laughable that some guys are stupid enough to believe you can "buy" a woman's loyalty.
xnesteax 5y ago
A coworker chick just showed me how she got a brand new Rolex from her boyfriend. Meanwhile she likes to flirt with me all day
TheEgyptianConqueror 5y ago
My sister has a coworker that just got engaged. She said to me "she has this huuuge ring on her finger I can't imagine how expensive it was" and I just replied "fucking simp"
p3n1x 5y ago
Maybe he pissed her off? How many mistresses does he have affording a rock like that? Maybe the "poor bastard" Doesn't Give A Fuck? Avoid divorce rape through infidelity, not all the laws are the same, shit gets weird.
I'm not saying you are wrong, just don't always feel bad for the guy or assume he is a loser.
Looking at marriage the way men do today is a very new thing. This microscope did not exist 25 years ago, the fallout is why we have the data.
Schhwing 5y ago
You have to remember for women that there is a difference between flirting and cheating. Women flirt for fun and sexual validation. She likes to see that she is desirable to an attractive man. Doesn’t necessarily mean that she will cheat
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Nah. It means when the time is right and when the boyfriend has made her mad, the guy she's openly flirting with will smash eventually
Schhwing 5y ago
Yeah she will cheat if she’s unhappy with her relationship. But women will flirt even if they are happy in their relationship. The ones who flirt will not necessarily cheat.
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As I said, they'll cheat eventually if they continue flirting with the same guy. I have heard the phrase "it just happened" many times from people.
TheAmazingJohn 5y ago
This guy is black, so what goes on in the back community may be an exception... however the rest of the video is bullshit.
Women don't fuck 100 men by age 30, average # of female sex partners is 4, according to the CDC, kinsey report, and the university of Ohio, which hooked them up to polygraphs still found average of 4.4 sex partners. Cock carousel theory is dead.
Alpha fucks beta bucks was a hoax. DNA studies showed the real cuckolding rate is 1.5 out of 100. The 1 in 10 theory was flawed, bc they took it from men who sought out court ordered DNA test bc they already suspected the baby wasn't theirs. Cuckolding theory is dead.
And the real kicker? Men who were good providers were the LEAST likely group of males to be cuckolded. Women don't want to risk losing a good provider. The cuckolded men were the broke ass, non-provider males, exactly the ones you see clowning on the maury povich show.
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Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
And yet I fucked a 20 year old Asian university student recently, who goes to the best university in the country, 2 hours after approaching her on the street.
She proceeded to tell me how her friend decided to go for '100 miles' for her 20th. (1 mile = 1 man). She even showed me a picture of her friend holding up a sign saying "100 miles" and a used condom that was a celebration of her 'achievement'.
TheAmazingJohn 5y ago
That's because you are a filthy degenerate with low morals, who goes out seeking women who are just like you. Water seeks its own level. Scum attracts other scum.
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
HAHAHA. Morals? Whose morals? You are being an obedient little slave to someone elses morals.
waeqTatch 5y ago
THen you literally. DONT. Fucking. Date. Them.
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This is sound advice. 80% of women at gym are showing themselves off like peacocks to mate with. Men at the gym are fit and more time likely to be better looking in physique fhan you.
Mushonix 5y ago
Being bitter that our society favors hypergamous bitches won't make you any happier. There's a reason we tell peopld to enjoy the decline you know...
PaganButterChurner 5y ago
Lol this is part of being a man. We are always at a disadvantage. Have a smile on your face when life challenges you to be better. You should not think how life is unfair—it is. You should instead think how you can overcome obstacles.
There is nothing worse than a weak mind that keeps men down.
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5 of my childhood friends got married in the last few years. Only one of them had a bachelor night, the other 4, the future wife banned them from having a bachelor night (but all of them had bachelorette nights). The one that did allow him to have a bachelor night... was only allowed one if she planned and turned up at it.
It's their own fault though really you are setting the frame for her dominance over your marriage by allowing this behavior in the first place, then the guys are so surprised when they cheat...
HerefortheTuna 5y ago
That’s BS. I was just part of a wedding (two of my friends from HS). And we did a 4 day destination bachelor party. Not sure what the bachelorette party was but it was likely much tamer. Those 4 guys should have left their bride at the alter
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NorthEasternNomad 5y ago
If I hear the words "You're not ALLOWED to" it's over. Period. I dont like the gold digging, hypergamy obsessed hypocrite of a mother I did get stuck with. I damn sure wont tolerate having a second one. For all her flaws, my girl knows, bone deep, that telling me I'm not ALLOWED to do something reasonable is a one way, irrevocable ticket out the door.
HerefortheTuna 5y ago
Yup Christ. She can tell me she dislikes me doing something and that’s ok (maybe we can discuss it, maybe not). But telling me I can’t do X is BS. Especially if it’s an important event for me or my friends. The hypocrisy in this example of denying the guys a bachelor party and having one for the girls is bullshit. Grow some balls
NorthEasternNomad 5y ago
Agreed.
Concerns are fine. Let's talk.
But not ALLOWED? Yeah...that's not gonna work for me.
HerefortheTuna 5y ago
Yeah that conversation would be over real quick for me. ...You’re no longer allowed to get married to me
Yug_Zohoth 5y ago
How could she "ban" him from having a Bachelor Party??? Why was he so pussy whipped he went along with that?!?
HerefortheTuna 5y ago
Not only did he go along with it he still got married to her
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This is what "men" in the UK do now.
Along with
Sleeping on the sofa / couch whilst she sleeps in the bed when she is "mad" at them for some percieved slight.
When she cheats and you argue, she kicks you out of your own house.
In quite a lot of cases women will hit or slap their husbands with no recourse. If there is recourse, the Police turn up and arrest the men.
The only thing I have noticed is that the wife will change after marriage to becoming a complete cunt (which IMO is their real self that they were careful to hide) whereas the only change of the men is to become subdued.
Yug_Zohoth 5y ago
British men need to stand up. And encourage each other to stand up.
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If you try to redpill them they will turn on you, with or without their
masterswives in their presence. I learnt that the hard way... now if I am mixing with people and they show BP attributes I just excuse myself.I'm naturally a "helper" if that makes sense so it bothers me when I can't help men be the best they could be.
frontiermarine 5y ago
taken women make the best plates, she doesn't want to be seen in public with you which means no dates and it's strictly fucking.
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
As long as they dont have kids, all good. Married women without kids might as well not be married, the whole point of marriage was to ensure paternity and provide a stable family unit, for the kids benefit not the parents.
If they have kids, fuck you it's no longer amoral being a potential homewrecker that hurts those kids. Anyone that adulterizes a married woman in a family with kids can go to hell.
We know womens nature. They dont give a fuck. We cant blame them for being pieces of shit that lie and cheat on their spouses as soon as higher SMV dick shows interest, that is just how they are.
We arent built the same.
A man can fuck another woman and give no shits, shes just a fuck. He'll go home to is wife and fuck her the same and still love her the same.
A married woman cant fuck another man without first abandoning emotional attachment to her husband and all but abandoning him at the first opportunity to attach to a higher SMV male that offers commitment.
max_peenor 5y ago
They can. I've seen in first hand more times than I can remember. One attachment is lust. The other attachment is comfort. Which do you want to be?
Be careful juggling the moralizing hand grenades. If you confuse should with could, it goes to a bad place.
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
Well there is a shift from a romantic emotional attachment into a more "family" emotional attachment. That is to be avoided at all costs.
Another high-smv man being involved can tilt that scale over regardless of any can say or do or try. If a high enough SMV man from outside the marriage shows interest and pursues her, there is literally nothing the husband can do short of violence. Because AWALT, she will have sex with the outside high SMV male one way or another. Her own father/family may be an effective impairment to that, but not always. The biggest factors she will consider are "what are the chances of her being caught" and "will I lose everything if I do this, AND will I potentially gain a higher SMV male?"
If your wife sees you more as a brother to her than a fuck-partner, you're already in a bad place. She will only look up to 1 man at a time as a "father" archetype who is also a "worth sperm-donor" for her.
max_peenor 5y ago
Shift? I doubt many (not all) married men have actually seen real lust from the women they married. I did a big comment on this, but I need to put a post together. In fact, I don't think a majority of men have seen lust. They are just happy when women agree to fuck.
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
I don't understand that. I don't even want to fuck a woman unless she's at least as eager as I am. I can't.
Literally. I get limp dick. I've been in that situation where she's like "you can put it in if you want while I lay here like a dead fish" and I just go limp and end up leaving. I'm a nympho but I'm not into that.
max_peenor 5y ago
Well no. Don't over think that. "agree to fuck" is in the game. They want it. They enjoy it. It's the vast majority of consensual sex. But it isn't lust.
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
Ah I get what you mean. I agree.
Men who don't lift will never know lust.
Well, maybe when the woman goes through that 'baby-fever' stage they might get a small taste of it.
MaterialVirus 5y ago
You're not "homewrecking" by fucking a woman that has kids with her husband.
If you dont give her pipe, someone else will. That woman knows damned well what she is risking. She is the homewrecker.
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
Women lack that kind of internal compass when it comes to high smv dick.
MaterialVirus 5y ago
So you're saying it's the guy's fault? Nah its hers.
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
Your one line comment convinced me. /s
celincelin 5y ago
Moralizing bullshit.
Life’s too short to care about some kids and whatnot.
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SeasonedRP 2 5y ago
So when a married woman screws around, she has zero fault in the matter? An interesting take I suppose, but we could turn this around and say men's nature is to screw any woman they can, and they can't be blamed for that--that's just how they are. Women, on the other hand, are the gatekeepers of sex. If sex happens, it is because they made it happen, and thus they are the ones who should be blamed, particularly a married woman who took commitment vows.
I find it interesting how tradcons do all sorts of mental gymnastics to avoid addressing men's and women's biological natures so they can blame men for everything and hold women faultless no matter how deplorable their behavior may be. This kind of logic is why women get favorable treatment in family court and face fewer and less severe consequences when they commit crimes.
MaterialVirus 5y ago
The fact that he was upvoted so much shows that most lurkers really havent swallowed the pill.
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
Women should be blamed for their behavior based on current society. They arent retards with no intellect. On average they are smarter than the average man because of the Bell curve.
But reality is that we are living in a clown world that gives women assumed agency based on preconceived notions of said agency that are completely fabricated, none of it is based on actual analysis of female behavior.
Courts favor women as if they had no agency because realty is they dont. Yet for some reason women have equal rights and equal powers over government. They shouldnt, but they do because the people at the top wanted voters that were easiest to manipulate.
Notice the female vote was implemented in 1920 by a bunch of fucking marxists. They needed an excuse so they made up a bunch of lies and started "feminism." Women like free shit and are easy to manipulate, so of course they went along with it.
And how many women died for womens suffrage? None. They didnt have to sacrifice jack shit to gain that power. Maybe a couple days (every weekend for a year) on their feet marching around mildly uncomfortable. Not like the men that died for our constitution and freedom from oppressive government. Not like the men that saw their friends killed in front of them and risked being shot as treasonous enemies of the crown.
It does take some fucking insane mental gymnastics to say "women should be allowed to vote, but not required to sign up for the Draft (even for non combat support roles)" and "there is such thing as no-fault divorce" - fucking bullshit, someone is always at fault when any other contract is broken, yet divorce is treated special, mostly because women are the ones to file for divorce 80% of the time so of course...
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This. Society is manipulated into wealth transfer to women via divorce. Women spend with no consequence. A man might save all his money away but a woman will spend it on designer shoes. When you spend money it gets taxed then goes into the system to get taxed even more. It's in TPTB's interest to transfer wealth from the men who make it to the women that spend it. This is why divorce rape is encouraged.
Furthermore society is set up so there's no consequence for a woman who goes bankrupt. If she runs out of cash she can just monkeybranch to a new rich guy. Whereas a man who runs out of cash has to go bankrupt, or to jail.
It's a clown world indeed and where do you find clowns? At the circus. What do you do at the circus? You sit, watch, and be entertained. You don't participate. Which is why MGTOW is so appealing. I don't really agree with the MGTOW perspective of not fucking them though. We need to fuck just for optimum test production. We don't however need relationships or marriage.
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
I know all this. And I chose to reproduce, because in my opinion if you dont reproduce you lose the game. The game, and purpose of our million years of evolution, is to reproduce.
Now reproducing without getting fucked over by the state? That is winning the game, in my opinion.
tyronethejabrone 5y ago
Part of being a human is being able to reject the game.
We don’t have to be controlled by our animalistic instincts.
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
The game is in our DNA, and since we arent immortal we are kinda fucked. Kids are the only way to gain a glimpse of immortality.
That's just my opinion though.
GonadGravy 5y ago
Immortality? The universe will end, humanity will exist for what amounts to the blink of the eye. We are monkeys on a rock living for the briefest of moments in time.
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
That's your excuse to justify whatever you please?
Seems quite weak.
claykiller2010 5y ago
THIS
I know so many recently married with no kids or recently engaged with their long term boyfriends who are flirty AF and I'm willing to bet that a few of them now are probably cheating on their men or at least talking to another guy. If I wasn't such a Beta/Nice guy a few years ago, I easily could've had a couple hook ups with these females back in college.
Hell, I might try and see if my theory is right now.
iamaiimpala 5y ago
What if the "homewrecker" would be a significantly better father figure than biodad? Your final paragraph is a good description without your personal moral bias, which seems to hinge on the "homewrecker" label.
We know what marriage is today. We know men's and women's nature and roles. If I don't know/respect the husband, and she's clearly interested, it wouldn't be my responsibility to do anything to protect a relationship that is clearly already damaged if things have gotten to that point.
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
That is fine. But that's an exception and not the rule.
It also isnt reality.
In reality the vast majority of men do not want to raise some other man's child.
In reality the % of child abuse done by step parents is double the rate of biological parents.
You can talk about exceptions all day long, and I applaud good step dads willing to help out kids. They are lovely little cucks.
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good_guy_submitter 5y ago
They are smart. Up until they have to make a decision about procreation and sex. Then the lizard brain takes over.
Men are primitive about sex too. The difference is busting a nut isnt a big deal to us, so long as we are busting said nut preferably with the assistance of a woman
Look at the gays vs. the lesbians. One group is having a good time, the other is miserable and U-hauling.
linkinway 5y ago
actually married woman without kids make no difference. because hardly there are chances that if she fucks another guy that she will end the marriage; they will still go ahead to have kids. So same logic and morality applies here too.
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
She may not, but the husband will. His sole benefit of the marriage is to ensure his paternity of the kids.
Regardless of that, unless hes a cuck with no self respect, he isnt going to stick around a cheating whore.
But all women are like that, so the morality of breaking up a family with kids does rest on your shoulders as the outside man ultimately. You can hamster all you want. But that's just how it is because awalt, and there will always be a higher SMV male than the husband.
linkinway 5y ago
Actually the husband NEVER finds out. that's the saddest part. Because women have the capability to not feel guilt at all, thus not coming clean - and cheat relentlessly. Like I came across one case today in which a fiancé had cheated with her co-worker and introduced her fiance to him just one month later. Yuck. Do women have any moral at all? and why do they even enter relationships and marriage - for status and drama. At least when men cheat they feel guilty. I seriously am facing hard time understanding how did women get this way?
MaterialVirus 5y ago
I dont feel guilt about cheating anymore either lol. I've cheated on every girl I've dated since I took the pill 4 years ago.
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
Yeah I can agree with that part.
Any smart husband should be keeping tabs on his wife without her knowledge. Not because shes bad in particular, but just because awalt.
Women have always been this way.
It's the result of tribal warfare and their ability to only produce 1 offspring at a time.
For 100,000 years human life went like this:
Why do women behave like livestock ready to be shipped to a new owner? Because for 100,000 years that is exactly what they were.
Them being anything other than a baby-making womb is an entirely modern concept that really only started in the last few hundred years and requires an abundance of economic and social stability to maintain.
I'll get called a misogynist anywhere else for pointing this out. Truth pills are red.
I love the idea of women having individual responsibility and agency and a conscious like men do. Nature dictates otherwise. They don't.
MaterialVirus 5y ago
The key to all of this is that men and women are different. Not bad, just different. When one first learns what you just said they go through the anger phase. The key is to not hate them for their nature.
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
Dont hate them. And don't expect them to be more than what they are. We were all sold some Disney fantasy that they were so much more... but the truth is pussy is waaay simpler than that and waaaaay easier to get into. It's actually pretty great imo.
MaterialVirus 5y ago
It really is pretty easy, but most guys just dont get it.
swagswag1000 5y ago
"Them being anything other than a baby-making womb is an entirely modern concept that really only started in the last few hundred years and requires an abundance of economic and social stability to maintain."
that's an incredibly dark way of looking at women and frankly I can't see it even though that misogonyist 5% of me would love to believe it lol.
women have personalities and qualities other than sex that make them LTR worthy.
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
Those qualities have way more to do with who the girl's father is than anything she is responsible for.
Awalt.
I'd you find a unicorn seemingly perfect woman, every time it was because of her father. The girl's father is the prize, not the girl.
swagswag1000 5y ago
yo that's real as fuck lol.
my ex stood out from the majority of women SO MUCH that she ended up being my GF.
unsurprisingly she not only had an incredibly strong relationship with her father. but her father was also a tall, jacked, strong framed, alpha as fuck dude.
so basically she had a very strong and admirable father figure in her life who she loved a lot.
no surprise that she's a top gal. no unicorn, I don't believe in unicorns but still a top gal.
HerefortheTuna 5y ago
My first requirement for dating any woman is if she has a father and who he is. I’ve seen such a difference in behavior based on if they grew up with a dad versus without. How can I expect to model a family with a woman who’s dad ran away (because her mom nagged him)
MattMan970 5y ago
Nice, really enjoyed this perspective.
Bing_Bang_Bam 5y ago
Science! So apparently you don't believe the planet is 5000 years old like the poor tradcucks.
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
Yeah I am a capitalist anarchist. On a typical political compass that would be bottom right, to an extreme. Anti government, for absolute economic and social freedom. Let people do what they want and the market will self correct all of our current problems because most of our problems are results of the State.
Fuck the tradcons. They are all talk and a bunch of cucks that dont realize the government is only there to fuck them.
fuckGuilt 5y ago
In modern times, this is manifested by women "getting over" break ups much more quickly than men.
HerefortheTuna 5y ago
It’s true that they get over them more quickly but if you aren’t a complete beta and get a new gf/ are seen by your ex with other girls (and you completely ignore/ reject your ex at every opportunity). Then the ex will obsess over you forever. Especially if you really did treat her right (pass most comfort tests). And then the next 10 dudes that ran thru her ghosted her.
fuckGuilt 5y ago
Here's the thing....I'm tapping right the fuck out of normal LTR's. Part of the logic of spinning plates is that women give you less drama when they know they are fungible. Another part of the logic of spinning plates is one woman doesn't have 100% of your pussy supply. Lastly, seduction skills erode, and I'll admit I've been lazy, or you'd be seeing headline posts by me.....I need to get on the ball, since the holidays suck for seduction....point is, I've been under the barbell for a year, need to tighten up the diet & drinking to get rid of the last vestiges of love handles, and get serious about pulling new women into my life. I'm not going to do all of that just to settle for one!
Nicolas0631 5y ago
It is necessarily bad ? Well if she want to be dicked, she will find a man, better to have one that will limit that to sex from time to time if she already has a familly than one that want an LTR.
A true redpilled man may actually improve the stability of the couple of the beta... While a sligthly better beta or an alpha with enough beta tendancies to think of commiting are dangeurous.
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
Its not bad at all.
Unless she has had kids with the husband.
Nicolas0631 5y ago
Actually the kids always make the situation more stable, this is just that the consequences do mater while with no kids, it does not. Women love their kids and this is maybe the biggest moderating force to their lunacy.
Being a plate to a red pilled man that will never commit is adding even more stability. She get the sex she want in a safe situation where there no reason to divorse.
The problem would be if she would get to find another man, that is alpha enough to get her tingle, but beta enough to marry her or provides commitment and even take care of her children. This is the real threat. Beta men that agree to commit and care for another man kid.
The funny thing is that the redpill guy that does not commit will be shamed while he bring stability while the beta guy that will commit will be considered as a good man while he bring doom.
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
Ah, that is an interesting take. I think it's actually a pretty good one. An alpha or "bull" could keep the woman from looking for other men that would be actual potential threats to breaking up the marriage.
Though it does require the husband to never find out, or to be a cuck who is okay with it. It also requires an alpha "bull" that would never ever even consider giving her anything other than sex. I don't think any of those conditions can last perpetually.
Nicolas0631 5y ago
This was common prior because it was not acceptable to divorse. It is still common for married couple to stay together for the children. It is still common on some famillies or countries.
I think if you are smart and have empathy on both side, you can continue for the benefits of the kids, and you can then separate when they are 20 or something or never actually.
I don't think a real man would want to stick in an LTR with a woman that obviously can't be fairful, that has kid and must be at least a bit old, most likely post wall. He would keep her as plate or leave her.
There no point for an alpha to settle for second choice. So I think the problem is not there.
As the beta, if the woman is smart enough to stay kind with him, I think he will stay.
Anyway this is just that reality is always more complex. We want to see action to do or avoid in absolute terms, but most often there isn't perfectly moral or immoral decisions.
I am not saying doing it with a married woman is moral, and personnally I don't care that much. I think more that if she want to do it with me, she will do it anyway with somebody else.
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
I'm with you sort of until the last paragraph. That line of thinking...
"I better rob this store, if I dont, someone else will. It's just asking to be robbed. No security cameras!"
Nicolas0631 5y ago
The thing is even if you take a single woman, you likely prevent another man to make his life with her. That man may stay single or have to cope with a far lesser woman as a consequence. You also rob him you know.
It is also immoral to take money that is on the ground. If everybody is honest, nobody except the owner will take it...
And is it really stealling ? You can't own a person. Everybody is free and responsible of his behavior. If she want to have sex with you and you don't force her, is there really a profound moral issue ? It isn't worse than a seller that try to sell you a more expensive product, a man that use game to make him appear better than he is or a smart man that use is superior IQ to make a successful business ?
In life you use your strength to advance and that's always unfair to the one that do not have it. Whatever you take, it is somebody else that is prevented from having it...
There some rules of fairness that we do respect... I agree. But if you go too far, try to be too kind, you just mark you as unfit to be in the gene pool.
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
Ok I think you may be retarded.
Depends what ground it's on. On the floor at my house? Yeah that's stealing from me. It's obviously mine.
You hamstering big time bro.
Morality is this.
Dont steal, don't commit violence. That's about it. Its very simple.
Ruining a marriage with kids is stealing, from the kids of that marriage.
EmirSc 5y ago
Just involves a bit of risk of diying
I've done it with 3 married women, good times so far so good
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ruboius99 5y ago
It's actually very sad, that a man will commit to a woman forever but women will never do the same.
I'd had a brides maid at a wedding (that her husband was at) try to fuck me in the dark behind a tent. There are no limits to what they will do.
MaterialVirus 5y ago
Had a married girl drive an hour each way to my place just to give me head and leave. She got off work early that day, her husband never even suspected a thing.
I banged her for about 3 months, then she broke things off. I still see her pics on insta with her husband. They live out of the country now. He has no idea.
danielwisenbcaest 5y ago
It’s female nature, hardwired into their Brains to seek the highest value male
salandra 5y ago
Thousands of years of raping and pillaging will do that.
_Tactleneck_ 5y ago
Peach.
Nobody wants to accept this truth because it feels unfair.
Tough luck.
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linkinway 5y ago
its toxic feminity. MGTOW guys are right the way our society has taken its routes, it's openly allowing women to practice their toxicity and hypergamy - leading to betrayal and cheating. There were certain ways our society had to avoid this - but feminism destroyed that.
moroccan_gigolo 5y ago
It's no longer a society when such behavior is allowed from both sexes. At best it is a jungle, at worst a bad alternate universe where we are governed by kids.
NorthEasternNomad 5y ago
Most responsible teenagers in the room...now running the show.
linkinway 5y ago
governed by the cuck politicians
moroccan_gigolo 5y ago
Which is worse. At least kids wouldn't have been selling us off for yacht money
Give_me_an_M3 5y ago
You can easily flip this and say men are hard-wired to produce as many offspring as possible.
abitsloshed 5y ago
Please continue. I really enjoy creating the counter argument to gain a better perspective on both sides.
Bing_Bang_Bam 5y ago
I dunno. It seems like most of the guys I know are looking for a solid monogamous relationship, I think because they can settle that part of their brain and focus on their career or their hobbies.
America used to be a nation of tinkerers, back when most guys could afford a garage to work in.
XtoDoubt 5y ago
I think it's because they just want any woman at all.
MaterialVirus 5y ago
This. Most dudes I know live a sexless existence. I'm sitting here smashing 2 girls a week and one of my buddies hasnt had sex in 2 years.
dsade 5y ago
So is the pedophile brain, yet millions of them manage to NOT fuck little kids.
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odaklanan_insan 5y ago
No problem unless you're married.
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Being in a relationship is legally the same if the relationship is as young as 6 months living together. :)
DeterminedLogic99 5y ago
This is false. Some states don't recognize common law marriage. Please don't just state 'facts' when there are clear exceptions.
NorthEasternNomad 5y ago
I'm in PA. While my girl thinks we are Common Law, I've not yet seen fit to tell her that's not a thing here.
ruboius99 5y ago
Not in all countries, be specific
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Why be specific for that reason?
Pussyshack 5y ago
The fuck are you doing living with a bitch?
six-acorn 5y ago
Here here.
If you're not married, why dafuq would you live with a bitch? So she can get tired of your ass and cheat faster? So she can keep you on a leash?
Fuck, if I'm ever dumb enough to get married, I'm getting a 2 floor House and we each have our own floor. I can't do the Cleaver/ Beaver bullshit, I'd blow my brains out.
Pussyshack 5y ago
Never live with a bitch. Period. Unless you like cohabitation/common law marriage laws.
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Woah! This is TRP not MGTOW here big dawg
iamaiimpala 5y ago
You don't need to MGTOW to have the sense to not cohabitate with a chick.
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Men cohabitate with women, it’s not an uncommon thing
iamaiimpala 5y ago
Unless you're married, it shouldn't even be in question.
[deleted] 5y ago
That’s great, that’s your opinion. Not every guy is going to have the same opinion as yours
iamaiimpala 5y ago
It's less of my opinion and more of TRP thought last I checked, although it seems every time I spend a few months between visits the general sentiment seems to be getting softer. If you live with a woman you lose so much leverage and independence.
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I’m not saying you’re wrong, but guys do live with women often, even guys on TRP.
Most guys will at some point in their 20’s.
I’m in my 30’s and divorced, I’ll never do it again, but no one could have warned me otherwise. My ex wife pussy was pretty good... good enough for me to sign up for marriage like just another fool
ThomasTheSowellTrain 5y ago
Contraception has given women a level of freedom many of them can't properly manage.
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SubhumanOxford 5y ago
Isn't it funny that most of religious text and ancient wisdom asks men not to lust and steal another man's wife. But no such rule is been imposed on women.
ex_addict_bro 5y ago
Because you don't impose rules on cattle. You put a fence which cattle eventually jumps over when it breaks.
shark30k 5y ago
The girl that I've been friends with benefits just asked a guy who had crush on her to drop her nearby to my place. Of course she lied to him and told him she had some work to be done. And all I could think all day long was sorry for this dude.
iSwallowedTRP 5y ago
TRP won’t like this, so I’ll eat my downvotes for this, but there’s a lot of half-truths in this video.
The biggest example was him saying that women only wear make up because they are looking for their next adventure with a new guy. This is half true. The other half is that she is competing for your attention with every other woman in the room.
It comes down to who’s chasing whom.
six-acorn 5y ago
It's an interesting thought process.
Makeup is like going to the gym. It makes you look better.
Hopefully you still continue to "look your best" after "marriage" but truth is, most people get fat and ugly real fast lol.
If she's suddenly out of the blue "upping her game" it's probably to get some dick on the side.
Hopefully you're not in a "Dad Bod" situation with the Wife, both joking about "the ball and chain" as you slowly contemplate blowing your brains out.
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majani 5y ago
And how do women size each other up? By seeing who can get the most attention from men.
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PM_ME_UR_NAKED_TITS 5y ago
You absolutely do, you just don't know conciously. A good, subtle makeup makes a big difference, don't fool yourself by listening to women saying "we just do it to be more confident, not for men!!".
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This may be true for your average western woman devoid of conservative/religious upbringing. But I do know several women in the Midwest in religious communities who are genuinely conservative Christian types, some that aren't even on social media, that do not act like this. Yes they are very few and far between but they are out there. Just saying.
D32thStryk3 5y ago
Counting for the 1% to make the shot? No dear. It's not even that high perhaps.
Srg_001 5y ago
Most woke shit I’ve heard in a while
doubtless_abyss 5y ago
Aren’t Vienna sausages the really small ones
Walkerstain 5y ago
Those are probably the chopped ones to fit them in a can.
lobstergenocide 5y ago
eh I think the point is big dick or small dick doesn't matter so long as it's new dick
EliteAlmondMilk 5y ago
Yes lmao came here to say this. He really needs to switch that reference to summer sausage >.<
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YoungUpNdComing 5y ago
The bigger better deal was someone who she could manipulate with concepts like monogamy and faithfulness. It happens everywhere ; they leave when they think they have found or can find something better.
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Protocol_Apollo 5y ago
How exactly would you prevent/discourage cheating/encourage her to cut other men short when they hit on your girl ?
I know this may be a slightly wrong question as general TRP consensus is if she wants to cheat she will/being controlling is beta but surely there is a way to at least influence against such behaviour?
lobstergenocide 5y ago
Be the best man you can be and give her as little reason to cheat as you can by ensuring she has no better options. That's literally all you can do.
mohammed218 5y ago
Your smv better be top notch where she would be devastated if she lost you. But this still isn't a 100% guarantee that she won't cheat. The best mindset to have in LTR's is you can easily replace her if things go south.
alphacucumber 5y ago
Why would you invest your time and resources in a game you're bound to lose? Just accept the human nature and move on. From my experience the women with strict boyfriends/husbands are the most wild in the bed.
thewrecker8 5y ago
You don't. You accept the fact that this is the nature of women (swallow the red pill). And adjust your life accordingly. Spin plates, focus on bettering yourself, build your own life and your own legacy. And don't put women up on a pedestal and think you found yourself a unicorn, because they don't exist. You set boundaries and when they cross them you next them and find one. And remember the isn't "your girl" it's your turn.
six-acorn 5y ago
Ultimately if she decides to cheat, that's her decision. You can try to stave that off by being high SMV and being an Ace in the Sack.
That said, there's different levels of respect.
It's one thing to cheat with discretion --- it's another to try to throw it in your face/ right in front of you.
I've not had a girl I've already fucked do that (but a few times, pre-fucking, I've had the jealousy/ competition thing).
Probably depends on the situation.
Like a few chodes cat-calling your girl? Tough call, is it worth coming to blows for "respect" or something? Rare situation. Maybe tell them to suck your dick as you're speeding off in a car ... LOL. But sometimes you gotta swallow your ego.
Is your girl responding to such bullshit? Well, if she's acting like a hooker and disrespecting you, that's a dumpable offense. Definitely don't play into it by giving her jealousy/ attention. Ignore it, chuckle at it, if the bitch don't get in line, tell her CYA ho.
Most of the time if the girl actually likes you, she'll recoil at most "suitors" -- most of which probably disgust her even when she's actually single. If the guy is super hot Brad Pitt, again, it's about respect. If she respects you, she'll keep her pussy in her pants, at least in front of you. If not, she don't respect you dog.
MrLowBot 5y ago
Mm this is very true.
Preach.
T2AmR 5y ago
Kinda new to Red Pill theory. Are there exceptions? Surly there a couples who are happily married and committed right?
thewrecker8 5y ago
Committed? Probably. Happy? Eh. They're few and far between, more the exception than the rule. Especially now in the digital age where online dating, DMs, etc. Are at fingertips and easy to hide/ delete. Women are constant attention and validation seekers. And the amount of thirsty men out there are endless. So when there's the inevitable rough patches and some guy starts paying her some attention you're rolling the dice.
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RedBloodHunter 5y ago
Good video, but this information is nothing new for anyone who has read the sidebar, its red pill 101. Every woman is a slut for the right guy, welcome to hypergamy. The world has spun for thousands of years with women's destructive nature under control, modern (western) society has undone all of that. Enjoy the decline by lifting, learning game, and gaining wealth / status. Live for yourself.
KnightestKnightPeter 5y ago
As soon as the man starts having sex with a more attractive/satisfying woman than the last you'll find he quickly gets over it
KnightestKnightPeter 5y ago
This applies to men too, not just women. If somebody really hot comes along and presses your buttons right, even if you have a girl at home, are you going to resist? Many of you probably wont. Same applies to women. Human nature.
ruboius99 5y ago
A man usually cheats because he is horny. He can still love the woman he is with after that event. A women cheats for other reasons and when she does it's likely over
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Shocking how many men even on TRP don’t understand this. You’re not red pill if you still haven’t accepted that the sexes aren’t equal.
RiseOfEnoch 5y ago
I thought it was a woman commenting..
HonestyOverCivility 5y ago
When Walmart or Amazon got off the ground, how many of you remained loyal to the “mom and pop” store that charges 30% more for the same items?
This is the reality of male/female relationships, loyalty and relational equity mean next to nothing if the deal is good enough
Yug_Zohoth 5y ago
To be fair, I wonder how many men(in the US of A) are also promiscuous. Monogamy is unnatural. And that does not make it a bad thing. But it means that it requires discipline and social conditioning. Thanks to hookup culture, people are actually having less sex! That is, a significant majority. Whilst a minority is getting lots of sex.
lala_xyyz 5y ago
Civilization is also unnatural. Do you know what other things are natural? Rape, cannibalism, the law of strength and dying of curable illnesses. Would it be OK if I crush your skull with a rock while you're asleep, rape and impregnate your daughter, kill your male children and your wife? Because that's the future where we're going towards with this whole "natural" logic. Monogamy is the optimal social arrangement for sustaining civilization, all the other forms are fertility negative, and get eventually overrun by patriarchal, monogamous systems that are.
Yug_Zohoth 5y ago
I don't see why you're arguing with me. I insinuated that monogamy is a GOOD THING.
ex_addict_bro 5y ago
Stop being little cunts.
It should read:
Everyday I'm single
McVaghunter 5y ago
I don't see why is this a cold truth. It's actually a very good thing for high SMV men interested in spinning plates. I can take care of her sexual needs while her boyfriend takes care of her financial and emotional ones. Win-win for me and the girls.
iamaiimpala 5y ago
I feel like there's a handful of issues, this being one, that a lot of people here are uncomfortable with even though they're a direct result of the core principles of TRP philosophy.
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_Tactleneck_ 5y ago
100% this.
This sub is overrun with people complain about shit they should have accepted as true and moved on to take advantage of, vs crying about it “not being fair”.
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A LOT of men are in redpill rage phase, and RPR phase can last years. Get off your high horse.
_Tactleneck_ 5y ago
I asked my horse. He says neigh. Truth is nobody had sympathy for me when I was in my rage phase (it sucked). But it was the tough love of this sub that helped me accept and internalize it all.
engiraba 5y ago
That's not the problem! The issue are the lying and mind games. This is evil. They could just be honest about their wants but they want their cake and eat it, careless of anyone that will be destroyed alongside.
thewrecker8 5y ago
Few problems with this. First, the majority of guys are not going to want a serious relationship with a girl who wants an open one. Second it makes them look like whores for wanting to fuck multiple guys while having a LTR. Lastly women are all about covert tactics, it's their life. They're like that with each other. Every girl/ girl interaction is like an onion. There's different layers to everything. Unspoken language that they communicate with. False compliments, nice when dealing with them then talk nothing but shit about them
engiraba 5y ago
Indeed. You can't win. I don't bother no more. I treat them like children, can't take them seriously.
swagswag1000 5y ago
spot on, the day i stopped taking girls seriously in anyway shape or form, is the day i stopped stressing over their behaviour.
greatslyfer 5y ago
It's cold because it fucks up the boyfriend?
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iamaiimpala 5y ago
He should git gud.
If she's getting around... he fucked up. Bros before hoes. IMO that applies to my actual bros, of which, there are few. Outside that circle, reality is harsh and life fucks everyone up. It's why most of us are here in one way or another.
greatslyfer 5y ago
True, in a sense there is no cheating, because the relationship is already broken at that point.
Risky though lol, might get fucked up by the boyfriend if he explodes really intensely.
nuufo 5y ago
The boyfriend STILL have a choice.
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
Only if he knows what's going on.
He probably doesn't.
There is a reason the ancient religions kept women corralled like livestock where it was easy to keep an eye on them and know what they were doing. And the punishment for adultery was severe (meant mostly to punish unfaithful married women or men who slept with married women).
nuufo 5y ago
Learn the nature of women and prosper in life. Women arent some livestock. Just learn to handle a woman and you'll be fine.
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good_guy_submitter 5y ago
Eh? Got any more contradicting and condescending wisdom?
iamaiimpala 5y ago
That's a stretch. He's acknowledging the autonomy of women and saying you need to understand them if you expect to have success.
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good_guy_submitter 5y ago
If you haven't realized you can, at least temporarily, lead a woman around like a mindless lemming - you haven't practiced TRP in real life long enough or you don't have any SMV and need to lift more.
To a high SMV man, at least at first, a woman will worship the ground you walk on and do anything you say.
iamaiimpala 5y ago
Work on your reading comprehension. You're stance isn't even consistent.
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
temporarily at first, same fucking thing
and "at least" means it could last longer.
check your reading comprehension, jesus christ I expect better than this from someone trying to insult me. it's like an insult that someone this dumb would come to insult me, send someone smarter to insult me.
yeah I've had a rough morning, sorry mate. I'm not mad at you. Just been dealing with other idiot clients all morning.
baeslick 5y ago
I think the real lesson is that most people are deliberately self-interested and won't sacrifice their individuality and will always be looking for the next branch to swing to. Men do this, too, I really get the whole "hypergamy is real" thing, but today that bridge is getting smaller and smaller as most people can just fend for themselves and have their own independent lives. Most TRP guys will probably downvote this but I believe the real goal of TRP is to become the strongest individual you can be, so that IF you decide to raise a family you can find someone with similar attraction and life goals so that you can live happily and prosperously for your children
EDIT: I will add that partnership is difficult, and if there isn't a common goal in each other the intrinsic nature of the relationship will evaporate, it's why vetting is so important and knowing yourself and your mission is even more vital for the sustenance and long-term success of any relationship. I appreciate TRP and respect its work, and I think it does in fact practice what it preaches, but I think a more nuanced perspective is always the way to progress the missions and life goals of the people who pursue truth and success in their lives, which is the ultimate goal I feel, to become the best version of yourself, and that is definitely something TRP epitomizes.
Just people, don't marry a bad person or someone of low moral value and conviction, men and women are different but we're not THAT different, especially from a modern socioeconomic standpoint. However it is like the chimpanzee and homo sapiens distinction, that small differences really changes how live our lives and women live theirs, it's why women have more fun in their 20s and men (generally) have more fun in their 30s and forward, 20s for guys is rejection and investment time, we are expected to put in the work for the hypergamous females coming after us.
Would really love to continue this conversation with someone, I love talking TRP and haven't posted on here for a while. And for those who think there aren't women who are loyal the way men have to be, we all have individual responsibilities and I don't think that subscribing to this fatalist perspective is the proper way forward. Again, the men on TRP are those who were burned, but there is no reason not to want what women want, we all want the same fucking thing
YoungUpNdComing 5y ago
What is the “same fucking thing” we want
Not trying to be rude or start a debate just curious of your views ?
baeslick 5y ago
In a word? Fulfillment. Happiness and positive emotions and peak experiences and all that. I think of TRP as the individualist perspective from the male-centric viewpoint. It's why WE focus on things like getting to the gym, "Mission 1st", etc., because that's OUR cross to bear. Women have a very different perspective, they have to maximize their sexual capacity before they hit the "wall", or whatever point their sexual availability wears out and then they get the scraps. They know they're on a ticking timer counting down, but they don't know when that is or what to do about it, so they throw everything at the wall until it sticks.
My view is that people are people. We are all trying to make it in this crazy world, but more importantly we want to matter. Everybody is somebody, everybody has something nobody can take away from them, and that is where all good things come from. IT'S THE TRANSCENDENT that fulfills us, not the material or even the physical.
I know what my life is about, I know I have infinite value as a human being, and I know what I want to do with my life. But not everybody does, and it's each and every one of our responsibility to find that for ourselves, and it's only through that we can be satisfied with ourselves and our circumstances. But we still need connection, we need to satisfy sexual desires, and we need to feel like we are planting trees under whose shade we shall never sit in. In other words, a legacy.
It's the desire for something immortal that keeps us surviving as a species. It's why transcendent value trumps everything else, because it's eternal. An example of this is when something is so amazing you can't put it into words. That peak experience is a tangible example of getting to the transcendent. It sounds like hocus pocus, but if it was we wouldn't be here trying to living up to our potential. The best version of ourselves is within us, TRP helps us to maximize our reproductive capacity, which is the best way to guarantee the survival of our bloodline.
There is way more to this than that. But here's the TL;DR:
A big reason most people live unhappy lives is because they aren't happy with themselves. The reason people cheat, cut corners, shop around, lie, manipulate, etc. is mainly because they don't know what they want.
I think, in all honesty, that Classical Feminism (that's 1st wave to I THINK 2nd wave), is very much in service of men because now we don't have to worry nearly as much about resource hypergamy. The focus is on loving the person, not what they can provide us. This goes both ways.
But the main narrative for women to have their version of double standards hurts everyone. The men who come here lost need to find themselves, and it's people like you who ask honestly that will get the answer. Ask and you shall receive, choose who you want to be, the squeaky oil gets the grease, etc. These are all truths.
I could go on and on lmao but I subscribe to making the collective strong by creating strong individuals, and that you can become the best version of yourself. If you build it, they will come. Feel free to PM me if you have any more questions. Best of luck!
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baeslick 5y ago
I think it's always a temptation to fall into those things, but an amount of steadfast self-control, and an eye on the prize is always a means of establishing your capacity to rise above. Let the masses eat their own tail, I'll be over here drinking tequila from a bikini girl's navel
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baeslick 5y ago
That almost happened to me, thankfully what I can only attribute to as divine intervention stopped me from almost ruining my life. I didn't have a strong male role model growing up so I had things like TRP, the Greek stoics, JBP (yes JBP), and other successful figures teach and coach me on how to conduct myself accordingly. It's been years since my childhood but I am currently working to complete closure with my past, it's been a long road but I've feeling gotten to a point where I am no longer recognizable as my parents' son, and that is one of the best things that could have happened to me
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whoareyou31 5y ago
Eh i feel like this vid is pretty extreme and really doesnt apply to all women. Sure it applies to the typical sorority girl but there are tons of other girls out there who arent nearly as bad. AWALT to a degree.
swampbastard69 5y ago
Do not actually do this, but think of this as a thought experiment. If you are dating a girl, and you asked to track her location on her phone - 99/100 they are gonna flip on you, call you psycho, controlling etc. But seriously why would it be such a big deal? If you are in a LTR theres no reason to hide or care of your partner knows your location. I think if a man gets married he should preface it that he would like to track her location and is able to look at her phone at any time. In that case it would be tough for her to cheat. Girls will just cheat in vegas with no follow up communication, but most of their cheating involves an emotional side - and I actually would care a little less if it was a random guy in Vegas with no number or follow up. If a girl agreed to that and a prenup, I might actually consider marriage.
SuperCrazy07 5y ago
This is pointless.
Your wife could leave her phone at the office and go fuck someone. She could blow a guy at the gym or bar. Or wherever you aren’t suspicious.
I mean, for the most part people get caught cheating because they don’t care that much and don’t try that hard to hide it.
If they want to cheat without you knowing, odds are they can.
swampbastard69 5y ago
Its not about tracking her. Its about whether she would let you or not - the point of the thought experiment is that 99% of girls would freak if you asked them. Of course she can still cheat - airplane mode "i dont know what happened" etc.
celincelin 5y ago
Women can’t be parted with Instagram for two minutes while taking shit mate, what are you talking about even?
bombastro 5y ago
For the right guy they turn into wonderwoman