Assuming the improbable case that you haven’t heard it already, the APA has declared masculinity a toxic and harmful condition earlier this year. Several Gillette advertisements, some bad womanwashed films and countless false rape accusations later, the feminist train keeps on rolling and it doesn’t seem to have brakes.
Here are some gems of the APA-declaration, so you don’t have to read all of this mental garbage about the “masculinity ideology”,
“a particular constellation of standards that have held sway over large segments of the population, including: anti-femininity, achievement, eschewal of the appearance of weakness, and adventure risk and violence.”
Another highlight:
“traditional masculinity—marked by stoicism, competitiveness, dominance and aggression—is, on the whole, harmful”
How did this happen? Let's first dive into the fundamentals of gender dynamics (Inb4, not a native speaker).
1) Evolutionary biology
Back in the days, when children were taught useful and true stuff, you wouldn’t even think twice about what I’m about to write. However, I have been called an evil misogynist before for stating obvious things like these.
What I’m about to write here is about rough generalizations and trends. When I say “women are XY”, what I mean is “on average women tend to be more XY than men, which tend to be VW”. Nobody is saying women cannot be VW, it is just so that men tend to be more VW than women, on average.
For example, most males are taller and stronger than females, but an individual female could be taller and stronger than an individual male. If you were to form a hundred pairs out of two sets of a hundred men and a hundred women, then in more than like seventy out of the one hundred resulting pairs the men would be taller than the women. Simple.
Enough of this, people have been fired or their scientific works have been removed for being more cautious with their words than me. This subreddit will get banned completely anyway or remain in eternal quarantine limbo, so here we go.
Physiological: Men are taller and stronger than women, with men having around 40% more upper body muscle mass. Men are the strong and competitive sex, and thus more expandable, women are the beautiful and empathetic sex, deserving more protection.
Psychological: Men are more aggressive, higher in assertiveness and openness to ideas (systemizing). Women are less aggressive, higher in neuroticism, agreeableness, warmth and openness to emotions (empathizing). Source.
The differences in empathy are not to be underestimated. Women show more empathy across all age groups and cultures. A woman’s primary biological role is that of a caregiver, with her traits having evolved precisely to cater the infant’s needs. On top of that, women possess far higher abilities to interpret and understand facial expressions, emotions as well as empathy.
With women being the weaker, smaller and more empathetic sex, the biological answer to sexual selection of the strongest, most dominant and assertive male was the emergence of the male dominance hierarchy. Instead of women competing with men to find out who is the most worthy to combine his genes with her, she lets the dominance hierarchy decide. Women delegate the process of sexual selection to men competing with each other. Whoever comes out on top of the hierarchy, gets a chance with the women and deserves sex as a reward.
This translates directly into the sexual division of labor. Women were the caregivers and nurturers of offspring while men were the hunters and protectors of the tribe in hunter-gatherer societies. A woman’s primary purpose was to bear children as often as possible within her fertile time window (~13-40) and to take care of them, as a result of her being more empathetic by nature. A man’s primary purpose was to hunt food, fight against rivals and protect the family, as a result of him being stronger by nature.
One could, however, argue we do not live in caverns and hunt in the woods anymore, thus people are free to do what they want and their internal biologically caused psychology doesn’t matter anymore. Except that it still does. Contrary to what would have been expected by egalitarianism and blank slatism, gender differences in personality traits are more common in egalitarian countries.
Let that sink in for a bit. According to egalitarianism and blank slatists, there are no inherent gender differences. To them, all “differences” in personality and interest seem like the result of social upbringing and environment (evil patriarchy). Thus, from an egalitarian standpoint of view, in a more egalitarian society, gender differences should vanish. However, the opposite is the case:
“The more that women have equal opportunities, the more they differ from men in their preferences”
Another thing to keep in mind is the greater male variability hypothesis. In general, traits like intelligence, the Big 5 personality traits and such are scattered around the mean in the case of females, while males are more likely to be found on the extreme ends of the spectrum (just look at the size-distribution chart above). Simplified, in the case of intelligence, there are more idiots as well as genius level males than there are females, while females are more likely to be of average intelligence.
Since, after a sexual encounter, a man can decide to stay or leave, a woman has to carry the burden of pregnancy and subsequent child care, her senses and personality is primarily adapted to understanding and interpreting a child’s needs and feelings. Her field of action is the domain of empathy. A man could, in principle, spread his seed as many times as he likes, impregnating hundreds if not thousands of women. On the other hand a woman can only bear so many children.
In short, from a biological standpoint women are more important for the survival of the species. Women are the sex that is more “precious” and necessary to be protected, as well as the sex that would suffers most from genetic variation. Biology decided for a low risk, high reward strategy (less opportunities to spread her genes, safer life). Men are the more expandable sex, not as essential after having done their sexual duties, in addition more likely to die during a hunt or in combat, or to be born with more extreme conditions (more opportunities to spread his genes, more dangerous life). For this reason, men show the most genetic variations. High risk, high reward.
2) Traditional gender roles
Traditional gender roles, diametrically opposed and eternally complementary. What was the nurturing gatherer in the hunter-gatherer society, was the caring, housekeeping stay-at-home mom when humanity decided to build cities. The protecting hunter translates well into the working and devotional father.
These gender roles were the norm up until some time in the 60’s when 2nd wave feminism decided the old model of working father and housekeeping mother was harmful and oppressive for women. No mention of men. Thus the term “feminism”.
Back in the old days, there were typically girly things to do as well as there were typically boyish things to do. Girls were expected to do and represent certain things, boys were expected to do and represent certain things, both suitable to their respective physique, psychology, preferences, ability and interests.
Below you will find a list of complementary female and male traits. Actually a no-brainer but we live in brainless times, so here we go:
| Femininity | Masculinity |
|---|---|
| Graceful | Strong |
| Empathizing | Systemizing |
| Humble/Gentle/Cooperative | Assertive/Competitive |
| Emotional | Stoic |
Then there is the part about domains. A domain is a field of expertise, action and a form of lifestyle practiced by a gender. The rules used to be simple: If you are a man, do manly things. If you are a woman, do womanly things. However, there has always been room for the possibility of women rising within the male domains. A houseman is a weak loser who cannot stand up for himself and is married to a more dominant wife. On the contrary, female warrior queens, pirate queens, national heroes or legends about warrior women are ubiquitous and exist in all cultures.
| Female domain | Male domain | |
|---|---|---|
| Women | Encouraged and rewarded to play by the rules | Not encouraged but rewarded to play by the rules |
| Men | Neither encouraged nor rewarded to play by the rules | Encouraged and rewarded to play by the rules |
In general, while men preferred to play and only won by playing the male games, women preferred to play in their own games but were also able to win and rise within the male hierarchies.
What was there to win for women to play within the rules of the female domain? A caring and working husband, a stable family, a large house and a long marriage. What was there to win for men to play the game of men? A loving and housekeeping wife, a stable family, a large house and a long marriage.
3) Re-definitions
Ahh, the time of reframing. Suddenly there occured a redefinition of the terms femininity and masculinity.
The new narrative is femininity is a creation of the patriarchy: men who use their dominance hierarchy (patriarchy) as a tool to oppress women.
The definition of femininity was changed and now means being subordinate, oppressed, weak and naïve, and in addition it was seen as inherently flawed to identify as a woman. Likewise, masculinity was changed to be the new standard for both genders, males and females alike. Being strong, logical, assertive and stoic was suddenly seen as what women should strive towards.
In other words, it was decided that masculine virtues should not belong or only be limited to men. Thus, most positive aspects of masculinity were associated with gender neutrality. As a matter of fact, being strong, physically or emotionally (“stoic”), being a systemizer and being assertive are and always were things females and males could use to describe themselves, as there is no reason to think women can’t possess any of these traits. They don’t “belong” to anyone. They just happen to be more common in men, while women tend to be less likely to be born with them and thus possess them.
Nowadays, former positive masculine traits are by definition gender neutral and empowering, feminine traits are by definition limited to women and oppressive. A woman in a suit is empowered and in command while a guy in a dress is weak and funny. Somehow, women behaving like men is a powerful step up while men behaving like women is a humiliating step down. Women doing womanly things is seen as not being as good as they could be. Traditional femininity is viewed as demeaning. As a result, the general view is that neither girls nor boys should do feminine things.
What remains if you strip masculinity off all its positive traits? Only the negative aspects of masculinity. The “old” or traditional masculinity is redefined as the extreme and negative perversions of typically male traits. Voilà, here is our toxic masculinity.
| Femininity | Gender neutrality | |
|---|---|---|
| Graceful | Strong | Violent |
| Empathizing | Systemizing | Being cold-hearted |
| Humble/Gentle/Cooperative | Assertive/Competitive | Abusive |
| Emotional | Stoic | Suppressing emotions |
This whole process is Orwellian by definition: Redefine something to the point of it being barely recognizable as the original thing and use it as a weapon.
Being strong as a result of greater physical strength becomes using strength to oppress women (violence), being better at systemizing as a result of being born with lesser ability to empathize becomes being cold hearted, being assertive and competitive as a result of striving towards a goal becomes being overly egoistic and mindlessly aggressive (abusive), being stoic, meaning being emotionally self-controlled and indifferent, as a result of being lower in trait neuroticism becomes suppressing emotions.
When people nowadays talk about masculinity, what they are pointing at is not the the strong, caring family father, they are pointing in the direction of the overly violent, abusive and oppressive pricks.
But things start to get even weirder.
4) Outlook
Suddenly it was decided that wearing dresses or playing with puppets was “misguided”. Don’t get me wrong, it is ok if girls want to pursue traditionally male things like playing with car toys, or career pathways in finance, computer science or engineering. However, this behavior is not only accepted, it is actively empowered: girls are being pushed to play on the male playgrounds.
While girls are allowed to freely roam both the women’s domains (which is not encouraged and frowned upon, but still allowed) as well as the men’s domains (which is encouraged and seen as empowering), men, at the same time, are restricted to the male playgrounds. As time goes by, the male domain will transform more and more into gender neutral playgrounds, where everybody can win. What happens if everybody wins? Everyone is equal, everyone gets the cake without putting in effort. Thus, everybody loses.
Girls are pushed into the male domains. We are being dragged towards a world in which girls are encouraged to compete with boys and girls, mainly in the “boys’” (read: gender neutral) domains and to a lesser degree in what remains of the girls’ domain. Let me describe the current situation using another table:
| Female domain | ||
|---|---|---|
| Women | Allowed, but neither encouraged nor rewarded to play by the rules | Allowed, encouraged and rewarded to play by the rules |
| Men | Neither allowed nor rewarded to play by the rules, however, sometimes encouraged | Allowed, encouraged and rewarded to play by the rules |
When boys compete in the domains of things that girls value they will lose status among girls (attractiveness) as well as among boys (reputation). It is a lose-lose situation to be a girly boy, nevertheless it is sometimes encouraged. A girl with a dress is oppressed, a boy with a dress is a display of free choice.
Educational system
Male virtues are seen as a problem rather than tools to solve problems. You are highly competitive and disagreeable? Let’s not guide you to use your abilities in a moderate way so you can reap the fruits of your potential. Instead, let’s punish you for thinking outside of the box, solving problems rationally instead of emotionally, let’s make you obedient and a harmlessly following sheep.
The current schooling system highly prefers “girly behavior”. Students who are agreeable (being nice and compliant, cooperative and follow orders without wanting to risk an argument) and conscientious (orderly and industrious when it comes to following an objective) get good grades. The school system is entirely focused on discipline, dull repetition and following orders.
As you might have noticed, the average teenage boy is anything but agreeable, disciplined or conscientious. Sitting still in a slow and boring environment while listening to teachers is the opposite of what any boy wants and drives their motivation circuitry - unlike video games, porn or social media.
Male virtues are seen as harmful, the only trait that is allowed for males to express is harmlessness.
Simulations
When girls are encouraged to compete in the former domains of men, they will rise in status and are promised to be rewarded by having achieved a male career path. But is this really a win-win situation for women and men? No, since women are drawn to men of higher status, a species becoming less and less common.
When boys compete in former male domains, they will have the odds of the game rigged against them due to the prevalence of “anti-sexism” laws like female quotas. As the male domain gets more and more girl-dominated, boys retreat from the former male domains, the boys leave the playground of real-life altogether and retreat into safe spaces.
They promise success that they are missing out on. Instead of taking on responsibility, going out there and confronting their fears and pursuing competitive goals which result in long-term fulfilment, they indulge in short-term gratification. The most important examples comprise porn, the sex-simulation, video games, the achievement-simulation, and lastly social media as the social life-simulation.
The truth is, competence makes people as safe as they can truly be. Competition is an integral and inevitable part in the process of becoming a man. Only if a man trains, exercises, pushes himself to his limits, becomes more competent and competes with other males, does he rise in dominance hierarchies. As a result, he becomes respected among men and attractive to women. He wins, so does his eventual girlfriend, so does everybody else.
Rock bottom
Since women do better in school they will have higher hopes of climbing the (male) dominance hierarchies. The highly conscientious and diligent women will rise in status and search for men of equal or higher status (hypergamy). Since most men are retreating from the highly competitive, well paid job market, these women will either have to compromise and settle down with a man of lower status and educational degree, or they will stay single until late into their 30s/40s.
Being a weak man is the norm, and the Beta/Alpha-ratio will change from currently ~80/20 to 85/15 and perhaps even to 90/10. Meanwhile, the top ~10% of aggressive and dominant men who nevertheless climb the dominance hierarchies will get all the attention of women. They will impregnate plenty of them (polygamy), leaving millions of single mothers. A huge chunk of men have either lost hope and retreat or they will quickly become very angry and blame the system for being rigged, run amok and shoot up schools and bars.
Essentially, boys retreat from life, to become shut-ins, also known as Hikikomori, MGTOW, herbivores/soy boys or self-declared incels.
When men become too feminized, when harmlessness becomes the only acceptable virtue, then all of a sudden the perversion of masculine traits are becoming fascinating. There is a reason why fascist and fundamentalistic ideologies are so prevalent among incels. The old cycle continues:
“Hard times create strong men,
Strong men create good times,
Good times create weak men,
Weak men create hard times.”
Unfortunately, right now we live in the most peaceful, harmonious as well as egalitarian time in the history of human societies.
“If you think tough men are dangerous, wait until you see what weak men are capable of.”
-Jordan B. Peterson
TL;DR:
Be a traditional man. Lift.

Lateralanouncer 6y ago
It is toxic as feminist only want woman liberated from there social obligations to men and there children. Men can not be liberated as when we do what we want society falls over.
Through out history. Men built and destroyed every civilisation. You can’t tell me out of all the highly educated male and female feminist they are not aware of the social revolution happening.
If I had to guess they know over the next 20-40 years masculinity is going a different direction thank they thought. All the Demographic, immigration, educational and social hierarchies are shifting. Woman are not going to provide and look after there men and children at home. (Like men have traditionally done). Men are pulling out and going different ways than they expected. Ie. gym instead of providing for wife’s and children.
Over the long term Real Toxic masculinity is likely the result. I think they are now trying to blame the change back on men so yes. Toxic masculinity like toxic femininity is a social threat.
Sickem_roy 6y ago
I got fired because I told my manager who was a female..that men on average are physically superior. I guess it wasn’t the proper workplace discussion ...shit is dumb, I don’t gaf If im labeled a misogynist. I think women are only for fucking in truth. I wouldn’t tell anyone this, but yeah. If she doesn’t want to smash I have no interest.
VasiliyZaitzev 6y ago
Any time anyone uses the term "Toxic Masculinity" to describe what should be called "Traditional Masculinity", I correct them by saying "You mean 'Heroic Masculinity'," and then watch the meltdown.
fuckGuilt 6y ago
I prefer "You mean.....society, all this stuff we built for you?"
VasiliyZaitzev 6y ago
Yep. I use that. And point out that, if men all stopped doing what we do, Civilization would last until the first oil change. (Really, power plants would go offline before that, but I like the simplicity of oil changes.)
fuckGuilt 6y ago
I hold out this stupid, borderline trad-con hope that women will figure out how good these boys are. I go on job sites and I make profession opinions, but personally....college educated bitches are fucking up royally by ignoring these guys. Hard working and smart. What more do you want from a son?
[deleted] 6y ago
It's toxic because people don't have the stomach to digest it
Sweetdreams18 6y ago
I don't think masculinity is actually considered toxic. What is considered toxic in society is antisocial behavior per se.
Masculine guys today are the cool guys who are full of women, always happy, have their own personality. Anyone with a large harem of girls is to be considered masculine today. It's women who create the masculine value.
Those faggy skinny rappers full of tattoos who are full of women... are masculine. The fat rich bastard full of women is masculine. The black dude who is always happy, can't do jokes but always has a good vibe and gets invited home by every woman is masculine. The muscular lifter who doesn't give a shit about anything and just lifts and hangs with his brothers, and gets laid a lot... is masculine. The guy who considers women inferior and is mysoginist on paper but still loves them and is able to have normal social interactions, and gets laid with feminists and mocks them for being woman and they just laugh at him... is masculine.
What is not masculine are the try-hardos, suffering, incel, basement-dwelling, mentally-masturbating, nerdy keyboard warriors who think having a gym subscriptions and doing deadlifts will get them laid, then end up getting bulky, and consider themselves masculine. What is not masculine is the nerd social retard who reads redpill and starts being cringeworthy around people thinking he's applying domination, when he's just ruining his social image.
Well, you see my point. What is masculine is what gets the feminine.
When the mainstream talks about toxic masculinity, they talk about those social retards who go haywire and start doing damage to society. Instead, the ones who are cool and end up doing crimes, like the classic j. meeks, are not considered toxic but cool. This is the power of halo of masculinity.
Rodent9 6y ago
Not bad, needs some refining but a wholly decent read. Thanks for sources.
TricksterOfFate 6y ago
Masculinty is toxic now because in 30 years from now on AI would have made most humans obsolete. If more humans are unneeded, then men that are the ones that hunt women need to be weakened so they are not successful in reproducing. Women like most females of the animal kingdom only chose males that are superior than them for reproduction. If most men are weakened most women will not want to reproduce with them, until they get so old that even these men would have no interest in them.
What they are doing, is culling the herd.
NormalAndy 6y ago
Very good indeed- thanks.
I really like the way you illustrated how modern feminism actually lauds traditonal male qualities in it's jealousy while demonising the female role in a fit of self-hatred.
Feminsim has become a trap for 'nice' people. Perhaps that's a good thing...
My only issue is that of 'simulation' (and I know I am in a minority here). While I agree that a great deal of media is a curse, the benefits afforded by well directed IT use are myriad. Computer simulations are fantastic for training soldiers and pilots. I would even go as far as to say that Minecraft trumps Lego in the creative league.
But yes- outside you go and come back with cuts, bruises and a smile :-)
joltek 6y ago
Which of these group would society fear? An army of soyboys or an army of masculine men?
nobody_thinks 6y ago
societypredatory power structuresPS2Errol 6y ago
Depends what they are armed with.
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dufresne90 6y ago
"Feminism is based on the premise that the woman as such has no value, that she can only be valid if she becomes a man to the greatest extent possible and claims the same prerogatives of a man." J.E. (Loosely translated.)
This was written in 1933 and it applies to our modern times more than ever.
DareyFathom 6y ago
The more western society marginalizes personal accountability, the worse it will get.
hmsthinkingmeat 6y ago
It's good old fashioned penis envy.
Women feel threatened by/inferior to men, but feminism tells them they are as good as or better than a man.
The only way to solve this paradoxical conundrum is to directly attack men for being "toxic" (seems to be a favourite word with women), and to try to encourage them to act less masculine.
At the same time women are trying to act less feminine and more masculine, so they can become the dominant gender through a process of manipulation, guilt, shaming, accusations, criticisms, basically emotional and psychological abuse - you know - the thing women really excel at.
So basically they hate it that men are stronger, etc and envy the penis, and are trying to usurp men through propaganda and psychological warfare, so that they can become dominant instead.
Unfortunately when you get women with a chip on their shoulder in charge all hell breaks loose.
Wabbajak 6y ago
It all comes down to a compliance test: feminism is a society wide shit test. Men who assent to this feminist doctrine out themselves as nice Beta sheep. In the long-term they lose. Meanwhile, an Alpha decides to not give a fuck and does what he thinks is best to do. He keeps being a traditional male and doesn't care for re-definitions of the left. Be a traditional man.
Pentecost_Respecter 6y ago
If anything, this is a real purifying process. Weak men's genes are being held back. Population is going to drop off tremendously in one generation. Women, even feminist women, can't resist a man who has it all. I am pessimistic about the immediate future but so excited for what will invariably follow.
I am also not worried about the influx of third world genes, it will eventually subdue feminism.
LiveFree1773 6y ago
You're an idiot. Population is not dropping off rapidly. People that are capable of building and maintaining civilization are rapidly being replaced with those that are not.
Noitu_Love 6y ago
Oh? Who are the ones that can and cannot? Do share.
Pentecost_Respecter 6y ago
White population is going to drop off tremendously. People coming to the West will be hit with social and financial penalties for having children, just like westerners have been and will elect to have fewer kids in exchange for more disposable income and more freedom.
Overall, no matter how you slice the pie, the pie js shrinking.
huggyblossom 6y ago
I have read this shitty post on APA and it's pure bullshit full of talks about suicide, life span, masculinity, gun shootings and etc.
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How many of those man were with a healthy and regular sex life, how many of those man defended them self over insults, how many of those man meditated and engaged in regular sport activities and weight lifting to be able to be a weapon with bare hands, how many of those man read a good book or watched a documentary or science movie last week.
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It's factored that a soyboy who acts masculine is with a decease, because hell yeah his whole fucking life he was backed down, learn to be a girly with the lack of will to make man deeds aka women attitude.
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When you are a man you have to get your shit together. It's toxic when you have no idea why you have to man up and do it like a mothers boy and go in a rage over bullshit things.
Pussy is achievable, physique is achievable, better mind and healthy life is achievable, what is NOT achievable is a man that hits women wall and becomes bitter - but we have either violence or suicide as an exit, while women have cats and PTSD.
Thotwrecker 6y ago
Exactly -- for women, failure is cope-able with antidepressants and cats. For men, failure is a parallel of death -- failing as a man is catastrophic. Failing to fuck transmutes men into Eliots, failing to earn resources turns men into whiny socialists or hardened criminals. Failure to take responsibility and own your mind firmly results in suicide and depression.
Life is toxic, masculinity is toxic, to be a male is to deal with toxicity and to express your own toxicity through actions that pretty much allegorically either killing or dying. Again, and again, and again, until you're the king or your dead.
This is why men will always have mental health problems, shoot up schools, kill themselves, etc. And why they will invent and build things of unsurpassable ingenuity that will last millennia.
If you're strong, toxic masculinity makes you a champion. If you're weak, in a society without a bunch of whiny emotional faggots being enabled and catered to, you'd be cleaved from the herd and left to die in the wilderness so as not to let you further pollute society and the gene pool.
Toxic masculinity may be good or bad, that's not important -- either way, privately, a man reading TRP should embrace it and it's lessons, and strive to use TM as a sharpening stone for their life.
BurnoTaurus 6y ago
This is a great exercise in nonsense. You've expended a great amount of energy highlighting examples of places where masculinity is demonized in culture but you havent done a damn thing to expound on your proposed thesis of "why masculinity is toxic all of a sudden"
Masculinity is toxic all of a sudden because strong and masculine men, thinking men with the will and resources to dare and create new things are a threat to the status quo. Free men do not sit in front of the television to willingly accept its programming and slip ever deeper into a consumerist zombie state. Everything is being tuned to this frequency.
Protocol_Apollo 6y ago
In a time where masculinity is being called toxic, that’s when you know to triple down on it.
ex_addict_bro 6y ago
Masculinity is toxic because WE'RE BEING DOMESTICATED.
Smaller dicks, more body fat, less and less "traditional" masculinity, childish looks. We're being raised to be puppies. 5 meals per day, make them high carbs because WHO says so.
moltenw 6y ago
There been studies on that shit? Curious.
That made me question my diet - is carb bulking bad?
My daily diet consists of :
Breakfast - 3 eggs, 2 black bread slices with italian meat and a banana.
2 portions of White Rice & chicken with some veggies, usually cuccumbers and tomatoes.
Currently 185 cm tall and weighing 91 kg. Planning to go to 95~ or even 97 and then cutting down to like 88.
I go to the gym 6 times a week.
Thoughts? What should I change? Should I get MyFitnessPal to truly track my progress instead of relying on +- stats etc.
ex_addict_bro 6y ago
domesticated dogs vs wolves
WarriorMonkMode 6y ago
Carbs and sugars are bad. Your diet is loaded with a bunch of carbs which is just sugar with extra steps
moltenw 6y ago
How the fuck do you bulk without carbs though when you have no money? I can't just go full meat mode or whatever, tough shit.
WarriorMonkMode 6y ago
Hey man you wondered why you were having a tough time and youre basically just eating candy that takes a few extra steps to break down into glucose. What you think is bulking is really you just coating your muscles with a layer of fat to give them the appearance of size. Also glucose bonds with water, so youre only swole because youre turning yourself into a water ballon.
moltenw 6y ago
...yes? That's literally what I'm going for - the appearence of size, that's what bulking is for anyway, at least from an aesthetic viewpoint. How do I achieve this without eating carbs is what I'm asking.
Then tell me how I can become "Swole" without turning myself into a water ballon, while still eating at a caloric surplus.
WarriorMonkMode 6y ago
This is the million dollar question, isnt it?
moltenw 6y ago
a million dollar question needs an answer as well.
grelkographer 6y ago
Great post. I'm new to this sub. Basically looking for an antidote to the pervasive SJW culture abound in University (thank God I graduate this fall) and popular culture. I'm beginning to find it.
INNASKILLZ2K18 6y ago
There is so much wrong with this issue. Too much to waste my time addressing everything.
The first is the simple phrasing. 'Toxic masculinity', and 'masculinity is toxic'. Which is it, because those two things indicate something different. Is it a toxic version of masculinity, or is masculinity in itself toxic?
If it's the second, it is one of the most moronic, retarded and stupid claims in history. How can masculinity be toxic? How can something that is inherently us, be toxic?
Ok, cool. So we've decided it's ok to not be masculine. No hurt feelz, so it's all ok little brother. Don't be competitive, don't be stoic or dominant. You just do you, boo, and everything will be ok.
Until you hit 35. You realise you haven't mastered anything, or become better than your competition in any field. You don't know how to run your ship, and everyone walks all over you. You don't lift and your body is falling to shit. You haven't had sex in years, women hate your advances and you have repressed sexual desires, your self esteem is fucked, and you can no longer deny that you feel like a failure. You don't know how to assert yourself, handle emotion or stop drinking to push down the pain.
But hey, it's cool. You're doing you, boo, and there will always be a Facebook group to post a bunch of feel good memes to make your failure ok. Or a shotgun.
Then there are the third wave feminists. 'Men are bad, and masculinity is toxic. Oh, but we can be just like men'. Ah, which fucking is it, ladies?
The APA can go fuck itself. Totally took itself out of any relevance.
Oh, some guy beat up his wife so now dominance is bad? That doesn't mean dominance is bad, it means dudes who have anger problems, maybe complex trauma in childhood, or a plethora of things may be the cause. Dominance itself is not bad. It's a necessary, innate element of social relationships. Someone has to be dominant.
Don't forget, though, that someone ran a race in high school and lost so now competitiveness is bad. Someone had their feelz hurt. Competition is fucking brilliant. A world without competitiveness is lost.
Stoicism. Some abusive fathers tell their sons to 'harden the fuck up and men don't cry'. That doesn't mean stoicism is bad. That's just a parent sending their son a message that he doesn't accept him.
These are just small examples I pulled out of my ass, because I'm tired from a HB 8.5 (not the Asktrp 8.5) plate sucking my cock twice tonight and letting me cum all over her. Why? Because I aggressively dominated her and made her do what I want. I stoically passed her shit tests as usual to the point she said 'I try to annoy you, but you have so much patience'. I competitively made a plate of a girl two or three guys a day try to have, but get shut down.
Was she unhappy? Did she feel abused? Did she scream that I'm toxic as she waved as she drove away? Fuck no. And next Friday will she again ask if I want to 'get something to eat'? Probably. Because there is NOTHING fucking wrong with those characteristics.
If those character traits are shown toxically, it's a problem of other issues.
If those character traits don't exist, then it's a massive problem for the guy.
Wabbajak 6y ago
Declaring masculinity toxic in both senses is moronic. I didn't decide to call masculinity toxic. This is just my way, and that of other users on this forum, of interpreting the whole issue of it suddenly being declared toxic.
Of course, the APA can go fuck themselves, only sheep and weak men/betas listen to their indoctrination.
INNASKILLZ2K18 6y ago
I wasn't criticizing you. I was criticizing the morons who promote that masculinity is toxic. The more you look at it, it's just moronic high school level intelligence.
I think you made a great post. Lots of effort. Good on you.
Wabbajak 6y ago
Thanks, appreciated. I didn't want to sound butthurt or anything.
You're right and the whole indoctrination and media propaganda works on the basis of the average citizen being lazy and dumb.
INNASKILLZ2K18 6y ago
It's just plain retarded. It actually reminds me of racist propaganda.
Just poorly drawn conclusions.
Villafying traits that are totally fine.
Wabbajak 6y ago
That's because anti-sexism shares the same premise with sexism. It doesn't matter which sex you are to a point where it matters even more and people will enforce it.
The same as anti-racism: it doesn't matter which race you are, so much that it matters even more. Anti-racist diversity includes all races except for whites.
The terms anti-sexism/racism were subject to a re-definition as well. In principle it simply means not being prejudiced concering sex/race. According to the new definitions, however, they exist to exclude white men.
You need poorly drawn conclusions in order to justify that propaganda. The average citizen will not care for the conclusions and just believe what "feels" right without putting in too much effort ("women appear to be disadvantaged, so listening to feminists feels right").
SlimShauny 6y ago
Very insightful stuff. You made it easy to see how we got to this point. Makes me think that we don’t look far enough into the past to solve problems that have already been solved before
SMRII 6y ago
The answer is cultural Marxism. That was a hell of a lot of text for such a simple answer
Pimpjuice2 6y ago
Good write up, can tell you put a lot of effort into this. Good job
EdvardMunch 6y ago
The real toxic aspect is weak men looking to display strength, have control, basically reaching for what they lack.
The better perspective would be making clear distinction. But truth is nobody will ever give a fuck if you're truly masculine. If you take away Don Drapers toxic aspects he is still a masculine highly attractive guy.
Like most things feminist its aimed at Betas attempts more than truly masculine behavior. When being calm and collected becomes toxic, or standing up for yourself then we will have problems but thus far those are still highly attractive evolutionary traits.
Were likely catching up with seeing through bs evolutionary tricks like the apes who bang on trash cans to seek dominate, same as a big lifted truck and large speakers.
topopox 6y ago
Good Thesis, specially the TL;DR
ShotgunTRP 6y ago
The heavier i lift the less shits i give about this political battle of the sexes retardation
Imperator_Red 6y ago
You may not give a shit about it, but it definitely gives a shit about you.
CAPSLOCKAFFILIATE 6y ago
I used to think that way as well
Wabbajak 6y ago
That's precisely why I summed up my post in the form of a short TL;DR.
throwlaca 6y ago
Ignoring a monster wont make it dissapear.
ShotgunTRP 6y ago
Neither will fuelling its fire.
soywars 6y ago
Lets keep it up with Fiamengo
Tonic Masculinity:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy3Ap0F-T\_o
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