In science and math a lot of scientists have "numbers", or equations/constants, named after them. For example, the Dalton Number, which measures atomic mass, founded by scientist John Dalton in 1803.
I've come up with my own equation. Call it mallardcove's number, or whatever. But this is the general concept:
n = The Number of Single Women In Your Area - Fat Single Women - Single Women with Tattoos - Single Women with Kids - Unattractive Single Women
Where, n = mallardcove's number, or the number of available female options out there for men who have standards.
For the first time since I moved to San Diego, I booted up my online dating apps. They've been dormant for over a year. Tinder, Bumble, and for the first time I ever, I launched a hinge account. Now the stereotype about Southern California is the number of attractive women, but I was stunned at how many uglies, fatties and red flags are out here. I feel like I had better women to choose from on these apps in Cincinnati, where I lived before moving here.
It's at this point I decided to do some research. I set my Tinder Gold setting to "Recently Active", Age 22-27, to get an unbiased sample of women and I recorded the statistics on the next 400 women I swiped through(with 400 being a statistically stable sample size).
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| Total Swipes | 400 | % | 1 in ... |
|---|---|---|---|
| Fat Women | 213 | 53.3% | 1 in 2 |
| Tattoos | 183 | 45.8% | 1 in 2 |
| Has Kid(s) | 43 | 10.8% | 1 in 9 |
| Outright Obese | 63 | 15.8% | 1 in 6 |
| The Gamut(Fat, Tattoos AND has Kids) | 27 | 6.7% | 1 in 16 |
| Not Fat, No Tattoos, No Kids | 59 | 14.8% | 1 in 7 |
| Right Swipes | 10 | 2.5% | 1 in 40 |
It's a sad state of affairs when over half the women in this prime age range are fat, and nearly half of them have tattoos. And sadly most of these tattoos are hideous monstrosities, not single minor tattoos the size of a dime located on her ankle, but full sleeve tattoos or tattoos that cover her entire stomach or back or legs. That cuts your field in half right off the bat. About 1 in 9 have kids, but that's only those willing to admit it. It's likely higher(same with tattoos). About 1 in 6 are just plain obese - more than fat. One of every 16 ran the gamut - they are fat, have tattoos, and have a kid. Women with no visible red flags at all - not fat, no tattoos, no kids - Only 14.8% or about 1 in 7. But only 1 of 6 of these women I found attractive enough to give a right swipe to. I only right swiped 10 of the 400 profiles I came across. Which sounds about right - in San Diego, there are a ton of Hispanics, which do not do it for me.
So what's the point of this post? Because to this point it just sounds like MGTOW garbage.
The point is the 10 women I swiped right on - are the most desirable women out there. They have a metric shit ton of male options. I was probably one of hundreds if not thousands who swiped right on their profiles.
These are the women who fuel the AFC fire. An AFC is different from an incel. An incel is a guy I consider to be a 2 or worse in the looks department. AFCs are what I consider to be male 6-8s. Male 6-8s have it worse than incels in my opinion. Because they are above average men. Yet, because women chase men upward, not equal or downward, female 6s-8s do not give these guys any attention. A male 8 might get some attention from a female 6, but the male 8 is usually not interested because she is slightly above average while the male 8 is in the top quarter of men. So the male 6-8 is forced to settle for an average(or worse) woman despite being above average themselves, or not get anything at all. Because the female 7s-8s are chasing after the Top 20%(Male 9 and 10s).
The non incel, non AFC(Male 3s-5s) know their place, and are fine with settling for the below average women. The Male 0-2s are incels and resign themselves to loneliness and will be happy to get anything at all. The Male 9s and 10s have their pick of the litter, for the most part. But the Male 6s to 8s? These are the ones in no man's land.
So what do you do if you find yourself in no man's land? The first thing you do is you don't settle or compromise your standards. I commend men for not settling or compromising. This is what skews the sexual marketplace in the first place. The 2nd thing you don't do is settle for post wall women. These male 6 to 8s are what the post wall women go to when they exit the carousel. A lot of these male 6 to 8s are told just to wait until you are in your 30s and you will have your pick of women also in their 30s. Yeah, no. While this is completely true - you can easily have your pick of post wall women "ready to settle down" in their 30s, but its a consolation prize. Do you really want to settle for damaged goods?
This sub preaches self improvement, and while that is the way to go, every man has a hard ceiling. I don't think you can be a male 10, for example, unless you have some kind of extra boost like status, being a celebrity or pro athlete or a shit ton of money. A male 9 is the ceiling for most men, but getting their can be difficult if not impossible.
Do your best to maximize yourself - look the part. Lift, eat right, dress well, take care of yourself. Then, be patient. You'll get opportunities with women that fall into "mallardcove's number" if you put yourself in the right places and situations. You'll get your chances. And when you do, act the part. You may not look the part of a male 9 or 10, but if you can act the part of a male 9 or 10, you have a shot.
The problem is most men aren't patient enough. They want the women who fall into mallardcove's number NOW, and get upset when it doesn't happen right away. They also don't act the part - when they get their chance, their frame crumbles at the first sign of any challenge. They pedestalize these women, and go full retard when they get the door open and then slam the door on themselves. And the AFC cycle continues. Act like you've been there before.
I consider myself to be a male 8.5. I have the facial looks, the muscle, the shredded physique. What holds me back is my frame. I have a small frame. I am 6'1 but just have a small frame. Despite years of lifting and being a Division 1 football player, I've reached my genetic muscular potential(or close to it) at 170 pounds. I'm shredded at single digit body fat and muscular, but I just am not big. I feel this is what is keeping me from being a male 9 on paper. But in person, I am able to pull women that fall into mallardcove's number by acting the part. Acting the part allows the woman I am interacting with to add that additional 0.5 onto my SMV to move me into 9 territory in her eyes. Acting the part takes a rock solid frame and a lot of practice.
Don't fall into the endless cycle of being an AFC. Take care of yourself, put yourself in the right places, be patient, and you'll get your chances. When you do get those chances, its all on you, and you have no one to blame but yourself at this point.

Foolishoe 6y ago
Why don't you add more mass? Do you believe that mass is not equal to the low bf% to women?
I believe the level of shred you are talking about, under 10% is appealing to most women, but those women probably would accept 12-13% and you would be larger.
Just curious. Great write up. Thank you.
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pacjax 6y ago
why tf does it matter if they have tats
NathanHollister 6y ago
Hot women don't use dating apps fella. They don't need them since they get free attention fr thirsty dudes 24/7 at work, school, church ,college, the coffee shop, etc
chazthundergut 6y ago
Why limit yourself to local women? Or single women?
Anyways you're overthinking it. There are millions of beautiful women in the world.
Become the prize and they will find you. Then act like a man and they will let you fuck them.
insidedynamite 6y ago
attractive, self-respecting men and women don't use tinder
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MasculineTruth101 6y ago
LOL there's only one equation.
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X > 9 means Y = infinity
X <9 means Y < 1%
Any male living in any type of city and not a rural nevada town is competiting against tens of thousands of other males in all ages. If you aren't basically a 8.5/10 or higher (top 5% of men 18-40something), expect to get secondhand girls like cute fatties or mentally unstable average body girls.
omarbradley42 6y ago
Mallardcove's number should be expanded. For a city with 100.000 population. This number must be around 12.000-14.000. For a pro-slayer it tooks nearly 1.5 year to bang all city.
nofears 6y ago
Logical post, but this only accounts for physical attributes... Imagine the odds against us guys looking for a traditional, conservative, submissive woman.
MattyAnon Admin 6y ago
u/mallardcove: Check out the gender ratios of single people for your city.
If there's 90 single women for 100 men (often the case on the West Coast) you get an extremely distorted marketplace, because:
Let's say people spend 50% of their time in a relationship. (Note that the definition of "single" is usually "unmarried" in the statistics, so "single in a relationship" is valid here).
That means of our 90 and 100 we now have 50 women in relationships and 50 men. The "available and swiping on Tinder" ratio is now 50 women to 40 men, ie the gender imbalance of available people is 50:40. This gives women a lot of buying power in the sexual marketplace and they'll demand relationships and commitment unless you're top 1%.
In cities with the gender ratio the other way around (more usual on the East coast), women are much more sexual and demand much less commitment: they don't have the same buying power so they have sex more willingly and make less demands for commitment and resources acquisition.
Notes for everyone looking up these statistics for your city: you want "gender ratio of single people 20-30" because that's basically your target market for women. Check the definition of "single" in the statistics you look at.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
I think one thing that really skews San Diego is the amount of hispanics/latinos here. I'd say there are less caucasians here than in Cincinnati, Seattle or Des Moines despite the huge population.
Not sure on the gender ratio yet, but this isn't exactly a destination city for male dominated professions(i.e. tech and blue collar work)
Ghostilluminati 6y ago
Can you explain more in detail your aversion to Tattoos? I am genuinely curious.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
It's masculine behavior. You want a woman to be feminine, not masculine. There is nothing feminine about tattoos. It's distasteful and shows poor decision making. You don't want a woman making poor decisions. Risky decisions are masculine behavior.
I've never seen a tattoo on a woman that made her MORE attractive. All they can do is make her less attractive. They are all gross and disgusting.
You don't put a bumper sticker on a Ferarri.
Ghostilluminati 6y ago
Fair call.
Would that not come down to preference? I personally find them attractive (given the quality of artwork and placement of course). I your classification only applies to shit tattoos. Which unfortunately there are way too many of.
I have a lot of tattoos myself, so maybe thats a factor.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
It shows poor impulse control via the woman, a quality that years of evolution has been hardwired into a man's brain to avoid when it comes to women. Poor impulse control, poor long term decision making = not a good candidate to carry and raise your kids.
If you find tattoos on women attractive, go right ahead, just don't come crying to us when her masculine qualities backfire on you.
Also, show me ONE woman who is MORE ATTRACTIVE because of her tattoos. You can't, because they can only make a woman uglier, not more attractive.
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Vermillion_Rx 6y ago
It's disheartening how many women, a lot but not all, could probably have a decent to above-decent SMV by just dropping their weight alone
It's truly sad how many of these women try to fix x,y, and z about themselves to be boost their SMV on things men don't even care about while neglecting the most basic, yet biggest deal-breakers for their SMV
DerDroogie 6y ago
Agree. It’s insane how many think an expensive haircut or cool tattoo will do more magic thank dropping 40 pounds.
However, not all skin is elastic and many of them will be saggy even if they lose the weight (similar to baby fat, not all women can ‘bounce back’).
TheEgyptianConqueror 6y ago
One thing that's also worth noting is that girls with unattractive faces can still be really fcuking hot if they put in the work. There's a chick at my gym that's one of the hottest girls I've seen cause her body is patently absurd, but her face is meh
Vermillion_Rx 6y ago
Definitely; better to not gain the weight in the first place: scars, sagging leftover skin, etc.
Seriously though, women just have to be feminine, not fat, and have enough personality to carry a conversation for 10 minutes to be attractive in a lot of cases (her face counts, too). It's not a hard list of qualifications, yet it is much rarer than it ought to be
LordFa9 6y ago
Even a average weight and body shape 35 year old woman can have a <5 face thanks to the wall and genes
Vermillion_Rx 6y ago
Absolutely, women can't control their face without (probably) ruining it with plastic surgery. I think that's why so many chicks slam an inch of make-up on their face
RightHandWolf 6y ago
The face takes the earliest and heaviest hit when encountering the Wall. There are certain aggravating factors that really ramp up the damage.
1) Smoking. By definition, a smoker is inhaling byproducts of combustion, right? The two biggest byproducts of combustion are carbon monoxide and water vapor. Carbon monoxide is 250 times more efficient at chemically bonding with the hemoglobin in your bloodstream, while the CO displaces an equivalent volume of oxygen from the bloodstream. The skin on your face is mainly serviced by the smallest pathways in the circulatory system, the capillaries. Nicotine is also a vasoconstrictor, which means the blood vessels are going to be tightening up and reducing blood flow to the affected areas. Reduced blood flow results in less oxygenation of the cells in the affected area, which leads to premature cellular aging. Vaping is not a safe alternative, by the way. Lots of studies are coming out showing some pretty interesting things, but I knew the vaping wasn't good years ago. All products intended for human consumption have FDA labelling requirements, where ingredients are listed by descending order of percentage. The first ingredient is the highest percentage, in other words. Every vaping cartridge I've looked at lists Propylene Glycol as it's first ingredient. Propylene Glycol is used by special effects technicians to make "smoke", but the other main use is for de-icing aircraft wings.
2) Excessive caffeine intake is also going to take a toll. Caffeine is also a vasoconstrictor, which I covered above. Excess caffeine coupled with smoking can really do a number, kind of similar to how certain drugs taken in combination can have far more powerful effects than when taken individually.
3) Heavy makeup does a bit of damage as well, by blocking the pores, not to mention possible chemical compounds that can be absorbed through the skin.
4) Tanning. We all know that sunshine is a good source of Vitamin D, but overexposure to UVA and UVB solar radiation leads to premature aging, tumors and/or various skin cancers.
My ex-fiancé did ALL of the above. Smoked liked a chimney, drank a pot and a half of coffee, way too much makeup, and she had one of those tanning lamps from the 70's - you know, the ones guaranteed to give you skin cancer just by being in the same zip code as you. The last time I saw her was a few years after the break-up. She was only a few months shy of her 29th birthday, but didn't look a day over 45.
Vermillion_Rx 6y ago
Damn dude, was not expecting such a long comment on an aging face XD. That's awesome, thanks for the in-depth info on wall acceleration, good to know
womans_algorithm 6y ago
I value OP's post, but I think it's not good idea to base your theory of SMV on Tinder. Tinder has different market.
phibetared 6y ago
Great write up, thanks.
-It would be interesting to have this breakdown/count for other cities.
- I wonder if Tinder seeds their userbase with fake female profiles? Ashley Madison (website) and their sister sites were caught doing that.
- I moved to Paris, France in part because I hate tattoos and there are still fewer there. And fewer fat people.
- I was one of the strongest guys in the gym in Paris, even though I am below average in the US
liberty1127 6y ago
You are no where near your "genetic muscular potential" at 6'1" 170lbs.
You are a skinny soy boy.
I can't say you have given others fitness advice on this sub, but if you have, please stop.
To all the others reading this, stop getting lifting advice from guys on this sub who weigh 170lbs and think they are genetically at their maximum.
PS2Errol 6y ago
Depends what you are trying to do. Most of the top male Tennis players in the world are 6ft plus and weigh around that much.
liberty1127 6y ago
My point is 6'1 170lbs is not near a genetic limit for muscle...not even close. He could be single digit bf at 190...20 lbs heavier
nofears 6y ago
Yeah man I don't want to criticize the guy too much, but I thought I was a little too skinny and ripped these days at 6'1" 190lbs.
liberty1127 6y ago
Put it this way. I recently lost weight over 4 months from 5'11 205 -----> 5'11 175.....175 is skinny as hell on my frame let alone a taller person. This is just not a good sub to get lifting advice.
I'm back at 190 now and I'm still skinny
nofears 6y ago
Totally agree. I've done competitive bodybuilding as well. Back when I was bulking I didn't feel "big" until I was in the 210 or 220 range.
I don't think many dudes on Reddit have a damn clue about elite level fitness. Just a bunch of bros talking shit.
liberty1127 6y ago
Yeah this guy could be sub 10% bf at 190lbs at his height. Personally I do powerlifting so a super low body fat is not my biggest concern although I do recomp and stay pretty low. There's not really an accurate way to measure it so I'm not too worried. Even a dexascan is inaccurate
nofears 6y ago
That sounds about right. That's where I'm at... about 190lbs and sub 10%. And that's totally natural, no juicing.
Enjoy the powerlifting. I fucked my back up over the years, so my body can't handle it anymore. I've come to terms with being skinny and ripped is good enough as my edge in life.
liberty1127 6y ago
Haha thanks man. I was pretty lean when I recomped around 190-195 myself. Hopefully I can keep my back strong because I do manual labor as well. Its One of the main reasons I lift.
DoubleTappp 6y ago
"I consider my self a male 8.5". 6'1" at 170lbs? Div 1 football? Bro, do you know where the gym is? Did you keep that bench nice and warm?
Your tattoo "stigma" is fucking frighteningly silly. We are in an age where smart, attractive, influential, and powerful player chicks have ink. To think that qualifies as a broad brush stroke "negative" is just stupid. And misplaced anger. But mainly stupid and short sighted.
justlurking420 6y ago
Tattoos are degenerate and disgusting
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mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
I was only 160 pounds my first year. You'd be surprised how inflated roster weights are on some of the players.
liberty1127 6y ago
Right? I thought this guy was autistic. Big guns over here 170 lbs lmao
NotBlameTruth 6y ago
Mallardcove has body dysmorphia with a Boomer mentality on chicks with tattoos. Reminds me of Uncle Rico in Napoleon Dynamite--except his keyboard is the football and this sub is the video camera.
He usually humble-brags for half the post to make himself feel better before spouting something like "eat right/have standards" and the sub gives him an upvote.
Have standards and eat right by not eating up this guy's bullshit. You can already get this information on the sidebar without all the beta ego boosting paragraphs thrown in.
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Whycantwealltwerk 6y ago
I’m in San Diego and my numbers are completely different from what is found here. 18-30. But I think I may have a higher elo.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
I set it to Recently Active so ELO isn't factored into the 400 I came across
Whycantwealltwerk 6y ago
Ah I might try this on a Sunday afternoon. I know most attractive girls are flooded on tinder. Best way is to add their social media but then they screen you which can be good or bad.
TBtgoat 6y ago
6'1, okay. Former division 1 football player, okay. 170 lbs, genetic limit?????? Something isn't right here. We're you one of those dbs who strictly relied on speed or something?
22oregon22 6y ago
Buddy needs to try Creatine and start eating more
Wiley-canvas 6y ago
Any number for any thing on TRP doesn’t mean anything anymore.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
Yep
therealpkg 6y ago
While I see a lot of evidence for what you're saying (and intentionally trying to avoid confirmation bias), I'll offer a slightly different perspective: Tinder, Bumble, and OLD in general are already subject to a form of survivorship bias strictly based on the self-selected individuals who opt into it. Perhaps I'm being pedantic and pessimistic, but your "n" should be "The Number of Single Women In Your Area ON TINDER" or similar. Not all single women in your area are using that cesspool. I make no assumptions about the number who aren't, but it stands to reason that many of the higher value ones don't use OLD.
tl;dr - OLD self selects for low(er) value women.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
When it comes to my gym, there obviously are less fats there, but almost every girl there has a tattoo. I've never seen a woman there WITHOUT a tattoo.
Easy_Copy 6y ago
What about tattoos are so horrible?
Nicolas0631 6y ago
Seems logical. Tattoo and gym are about look. It make them look more slutty/attractive for one night stand.
SalporinRP 6y ago
Never really thought about it that way but it's interesting insight for sure. How male 6-8s know they are above average but yet still seemingly have to settle for scraps.
This is something I've had trouble with lately. At the start of this month I had 3 plates One got a boyfriend, one moved away to advance her career, and I have one I'm still hooking up with the other but I feel she is trying to push for a relationship. So I'm down to one plate at the moment but I'm still having one-night stands and dating app hookups. Out of the two plates of mine that broke, one was a model for a boutique fashion chain and another one was a fitness class instructor that might have had the best body out of any girl I've fucked. They were both in the 7-8 range.
Now for me, I'm probably a 6-6.5 looks on an average day. In the summer when I get a nice tan and get really lean I'd say I can go up to a 7 but that's about it.
So my pussy supply dropped drastically pretty much in the span of a week and because I was getting enough pussy from 3 girls I wasn't really gaming other women. So now I'm down to 1 girl and I feel like a salesman with no good leads in the pipeline.
It took me a while and a decent amount of effort to build those 2 other girls into solid plates and now I feel like I'm scrambling at the wheel to find others.
In terms of dating apps Tinder is a lost cause at this point. Filled with uggos and fatties (as you stated) and the algorithms are there to force you into buying tinder gold.
I've seen a decent amount of success on Hinge because a girl sees when you like her at least.
My main pic on hinge is a candid shot of me at the beach at the leanest/most ripped I've ever been. When girls get the notification that I like them and they see that thumbnail I'm willing to bet they at least click on my profile to view it.
poshmarkedbudu 6y ago
This is a natural progression. When you have 3 plates it won't last forever. It's just a cycle. I've been through this cycle 3 times at least. Some plates come back. Some plates never do. Some plates you are done with yourself.
Just go back out there. Work on other things to improve yourself when you have more time.
SalporinRP 6y ago
Yeah I feel that. I'm training for boxing though so I feel like between that and lifting I barely have any time to even pursue women. My usual day goes:
6am lift (do it 5 times a week)
9am-5:30pm work
6:30pm-7:30pm boxing gym (do it 3-4 times a week)
8pm get home and cook dinner
9:30pm read and get ready for bed
I guess I gotta get out more on the weekends but I've just been chilling with friends.
You're right though I have to get out there and try to make things happen. I've been falling back onto dating apps as a crutch when before I would approach girls in person.
philltered 6y ago
Sounds like you have a clear purpose now with lifting and boxing.
SalporinRP 6y ago
I do definitely have a clear purpose in life now for sure but I'm just struggling to find times to meet girls. I don't really have time to see my friends during the week so I've been chilling with them on the weekends.
I gotta just put more effort into actually gaming women on the weekends.
TheEgyptianConqueror 6y ago
Sounds similar to my schedule. Finding time for gym and martial arts (I do Muay Thai) can be a pain in the butt
SKRedPill 6y ago
What about over 35-40? Unless you're older, in which case you'll find plenty in this age category.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
I dont bother with post wall women.
SKRedPill 6y ago
I did not see where they were filtered out though...but I guess it's obvious. Ha ha...
10211799107 6y ago
I don't know your lifting style but 170lbs at 6'1 is small. At 6'1 you can get away with another 10 to 15lbs bodyweight and not sacrifice leanness, you'll look bigger and if you actually lift heavy and are more than average strong.
One or two 12-week cycles of a basic HLM program will get anyone to these numbers if they slowly eat in a surplus.
beginner_ 6y ago
I think his point was he isnt't building up more muscle regardless of what he does training wise. Genetic potential in muscle has a huge range.
Jimmy2e 6y ago
He's not maxed on his genetics. He's just unwilling to make the requisite lifestyle changes to create his desired end state. I see this all the time with some of my friends;
They aren't disciplined in their nutrition. If you want to get big you need to eat big. With this comes the willingness to gain body fat concurrently and diet it off once you've added muscle mass. This is a rinse and repeat process that you cycle through bi-annually.
This isn't rocket science and if you want to put on muscle mass in larger volumes then you need to be willing to take a step back in order to take two forward. Eat big, lift heavy, gain weight, diet off body fat, and repeat. Discipline is key.
beginner_ 6y ago
OK. Fair enough. I rephrase: At the genetic limit for what one is willing to invest. And I understand that perfectly. Or said otherwise Pareto principle 20% of work for 80% of result. In my case I rather go mountain biking than another day in the gym and I don't want to structure 90% of my life around my nutritional needs. After all TRP is a toolbox and you take what fits. Independently of myself pareto/diminishing returns still hold true. Time spent in gym and on nutrition to get the last 20-10% out of your body is probably better spent on learning /improving game, networking or learning some new skill/hobby.
10211799107 6y ago
If he has a:
Squat: 2 x bw Deadlift: 2.5 x bw Bench: 1.5 x bw Press: 1 x bw
... then I'd believe he can't do more volume to grow. But I don't know that info.
Also his training program. I don't know it, but if you are strong you can do heavier weights for volume, more stimulation and all the non-muscle lean body mass that comes from that.
I'm not hating on him, I don't have all his history/training etc but just from this post I think 170lbs is way too small at 6'1 to have maxed out genetics.
Wiley-canvas 6y ago
Pretty sure Tinder is dying in most good cities. I'd recommend Hinge. I see much more attractive girls on Hinge. The "pay-to-play" is a barrier to entry from trash.
ZeppKfw 6y ago
It's not just a barrier. It literally stacks everything against you. The algorithm is pretty fucked up.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
Just started using Hinge. The quality of women is better, but there are just as many fatties and tattooed nasties on here. Probably a step up from Bumble. You have to wonder how active the users are on here.
22oregon22 6y ago
Bumble was the absolute worst for me — dozens upon dozens of purple haired tatted up fat single mothers, etc. Its inundated with SJW types. Hinge is by far the best and Tinder is just a shit ton of spam profiles and is not worth your time. I did sign up for Tinder Plus this past month as an experiment and started swiping in St. Petersburg, Warsaw, Prague, Budapest, Estonia, etc and all I can say is WOW. The quality is unreal and the difference between Eastern European women and the States is such a stark contrast that it is almost unbelievable. Makes me want to lock down a woman from the east....
richardbransonbutnot 6y ago
You don't pay to play. In fact I've started and deleted hinge 3 times and they gave me preferred for a month every time after 2 days.
I second that, for some reason hinge is better.
Wiley-canvas 6y ago
Was unaware of this hack. Muchos gracias
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chomponthebit 6y ago
Bravo!!! Bra-fucking-oh!!! Especially about the tattoos (fuck, I hate them)
zurow 6y ago
I live in a beach community and these days I feel like I’m in a prison yard instead of at the beach. Nothing attractive about women with tattoos.
INNASKILLZ2K18 6y ago
Hhhmmm. I'm wondering if this post is a little skewed to on-line dating.
I agree with it, and it raises some good points. Be aware of the SMP. Be aware of your place in it.
I do think real life is a little easier, though, for those 6-8 guys. With the right attitude and game you can attract those 8+ girls which you might not have on a dating site. This is where Red Pill has been invaluable to me.
That makes me agree that you better act the part.
russian_nigger 6y ago
absolutely. online game is garbage. the same woman that would fuck an average dude at the bar only swipes on supermodel fake profiles of guys set up by incels
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mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
I've been around the country geographically and women have different expectations from men based on where you are. I was a big fish in Seattle because you had so many pasty white scrawny/skinny fat tech nerds there. In Des Moines and Cincinnati you had a lot of "country baws" who were dumb as a rock so I stood out with my more "educated/white collar" background. Here in San Diego I am still trying to figure it out. So many fucking hispanics here though.
Fullmetalshawty 6y ago
Gaslamp's a meat market but there's always a few hot white girls. The day stuff is better like the pool parties at the hotels might be good for you.. go to LA if you're a real glutton for pain though
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HighTesticles 6y ago
Elaborate on the long shot
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phibetared 6y ago
Huge, huge difference between Brazilians (sigh!) and Mexicans. Guess which are in San Diego?
shaggyctes88 6y ago
What's wrong with Brazilian women? They're usually hot and Easy lay
phibetared 6y ago
they are even better than that. That was me remembering. :)
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novalentineforyou 6y ago
Have you been to NYC? Also, did the skewed M to F ratio in Seattle affect you negatively?
redpillschool Admin 6y ago
I originally launched /r/geotrp because I was really interested to see if anybody had identified areas where the market was ripe. I know personally there have been some smaller towns USA that tend to have a more favorable ratio that makes some of the game posts here seem reasonable.
And then there's big liberal sex-cities I've been to where the competition was lost as soon as you entered the room, regardless of your game or physique.
It's a variable rarely mentioned in game posts that try to make it seem as simple as following 3 easy tips to getting laid.
Frankensteincel 6y ago
New York City is the place most skewed to favor single, highly-educated men. There's tons of research that due to NYC being huge in retail and consumer and not in tech, they attract much more women then men nowadays. Look into it, there are many articles and the ratio for young singles is like 55% women to 45% men.
DerDroogie 6y ago
I’m in Manila. Moved here from Cali. If you can survive the dengue and measles outbreaks, it’s a wonderful target Rick environment :-)
LordFa9 6y ago
Thats coz you are probably white and the sterotype is foreigners have more money in a country where a middle tier office job can only get you USD$600/mth
DerDroogie 6y ago
True, and many girls here want a mixed race baby. Of course that baby is a gateway to the foreigners long-term income too.
LordFa9 6y ago
Not true my friend
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/mar/02/children-sex-tourists-leave-behind-fathers-visited-philippines
On the flip side, Filipino women have 2 things going for them in the SMP; they are generally untouched by western feminism and they still believe in the old school social contract type of marriage
DerDroogie 6y ago
That’s Angeles and Subic: Angeles is all Korean sex tourists now. Subic is old white guys in their 70s. They are the old US navy and Air Force brothels.
In those articles and 2 related movies, it’s prostitutes who got pregnant from a paying customer, not an LTR who got pregnant. Expectations and consequences are very different.
Correct on the lack of feminism, and it’s super hard to get married here (takes months of documentation) and there is zero divorce for them. They dream of a rich white guy who will support them.
They do want a mixed race baby. Filipino TVs stars are mostly mixed.
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JamesSkepp 6y ago
The downside is you have to stay in the shithole to maintain the SMV. It's a nice theory, it makes sense, but the problem is it's nothing else than SMV hacking (how to instantly be the top 20%) and it doesn't translate onto what you should really do in the long term (raise your SMV by actually working on being better).
This is more like a PUA tactic "fake it till you make it" for sexless betas b/c for them the shithole country's women will have lower entry barrier levels compared to USA. 5$ in Tijuana used to jumpstart his experiences with women until he can actually use that "fake" experiences to game women in USA (since AWALT).
Hjalmbere 6y ago
Design a lifestyle which enables you to work wherever you want and which also allows you enough time to devote yourself to your hobbies and self-maintenance.
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JamesSkepp 6y ago
Nothing fake about vagina, sure. But the self-perceived-SMV-increase is. Your SMV changed b/c you moved to 5$ Tijuana. But at the same time it didn't b/c you haven't really changed at all. Still not lifting, still zero game etc. That's why it's only viable as a crutch, a jumpstart, not a long term solution, assuming the plan is not to actually move there permanently.
Another thing is, the poorer the country, the more desperate the women are. That's good b/c your 5$ SMV is worth much more there, but at the same time the desperation to get out of the shithole will make her much more prone to game you into her BB. And since you're a beta anyway and AWALT you're gonna be done over.
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Fullmetalshawty 6y ago
Fat Black man comedian was right all along
schizo-posting 6y ago
Addressing your relationship with a woman/government is irrelevant as we live in a time that has made you into a individual and with this separation of a collective personality we have to stare into the abyss that is ourselves. The removal of any sort of symbolic essence to ourselves creates a depressive gaze that looks into the abyss. This means we have a strong self-hatred regardless if it is conscious or unconscious.
The real unanswered question is how are we supposed to escape this societal trap of individualization. All decisions are reverted back into what I just talked about. Both of your arguments fail to see this critical point.
JamesSkepp 6y ago
You're not wrong, but omitting a few things.
I already mentioned first problem: the man moving to Tijuana doesn't change. Beta will remain beta.
Secondly, from your "Zizek top down perspective" and "blame women for bad politics" crap that shows up here from time to time: Tijuana get's an influx of BP betas which means women get to be in charge, vote in the same policies they voted in US. The mechanism is the same. BTW: imagine the beta brings her to US, she's gonna run to AOC's Squad policies faster than she ran for his wallet.
Another thing is, this approach is defeatist attitude. "Dear AskTRP, I can't be bothered to put the work in, but I want women to like me for who I am". Your answer is don't read the sidebar, don't put the work in, google a map of GDP per capita and go live like a king.
Finally, someone on TRP reading this, especially coming from you, can take it as literal solution to him being sexless beta and go buy a greencard hooker from Central America. IOW it's a nice theory but the possibility of misunderstanding it is more damaging then helping, especially to an individual who doesn't yet understand RP well.
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Fullmetalshawty 6y ago
Outsource bruh
JamesSkepp 6y ago
Yeah totally go with GLO's idea and outsource your masculinity.
Mukato 6y ago
excellent point. The same is true to women through, so you've got to find the right place to maximize what you have to offer versus what options she has.
i-am-the-prize 6y ago
demographics, some call it.
the euro guys on these boards note how being ripped/lean isn't a big deal "where they are" but is in the US (because so many of us are fat) same for college areas. but hang out with post wall geek / stem women and being fit is like catnip.
choosing where the odds are better made a mainstraim BP book recently, about which cities are best for men vs. women to find a mate purely based on ratios and availability/scarcity.
throwaway_alt_slo 6y ago
Yupp, its basically minimum standard here.
i-am-the-prize 6y ago
and in some places in the US. Go to a beach town, or southern cali/LA, or Rocky Mountain (Utah/CO/NM/WY) mountain towns where fitness and activity is the norm, and people look much healthier and fitter.
throwaway_alt_slo 6y ago
Aha. So ur fucked wherever.
i-am-the-prize 6y ago
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don't fixate on the (male) competition, there are a higher percentage of attractive women there too. don't fear there being more fit men and avoid these spots. enjoy the higher % of fit and active women in these locations.
throwaway_alt_slo 6y ago
Yeah, but then it evens out, doesnt it? More fit women, more fit men ---> standards are higher. And we both know it how fucking picky women are.
justlurking420 6y ago
What book?
i-am-the-prize 6y ago
i didn't buy it, not sure, was referened in post, followed the link, saw the cover and abstract. so can't say.
SrafeZ 6y ago
do you mean that being ripped matters in a college setting?
i-am-the-prize 6y ago
no, it's about differentiation - since many are thin/fit when young, being ripped doesn't make you stand out. sure it generates attraction b/c of what we all know and sidebar states, but "lots of guys are in shape" in college.
go to a little league game or kids sports. look around at the dads. < 1/3rd are in shape, half of them really in shape/lift, if that.
so if you can keep your body lean and strong and ripped, as you age, you will stand out.
throwaway_alt_slo 6y ago
No, u'll just be in top 50% which is not enough.
And also when u get older u cant have women in their 20ies. Maybe 5%-10% of post wall women are looking good. Others are fat and/or ugly.
i-am-the-prize 6y ago
I don't know what you mean by 'older' but this is not what I'm observing first hand.
" No, u'll just be in top 50% which is not enough. "
no, i'm saying i see 60-70% of other married men in their 40's look like shit. either fat and dress like cargo short "i don't give a damn" or both. of the remaining third, some are 'naturally thin' and not slobs, but only a part of them are actually fit/lift and generate IOIs.
so i disagree, well beyond "just top 50%" if you are close to 10% BF, lift, and care about your appearance. I would say ignoring from facial atrributes, just on physical appearance it would be "above 90%" if you actually push yourself and your body.
throwaway_alt_slo 6y ago
Maybe in us. I believe dat. Not here.
fuckGuilt 6y ago
Yep. They consider their intelligence hurdle first. Cross that and be fit.....holy smokes.
destraht 6y ago
I just have a small problem where you first informally define n as pretty much all single women and then next you say that n is all women for men that have standards. Its kind of funny I guess but really you are contradicting yourself so early on. If you are saying n then you can't be wrong already by n for christ sake.
Zech4riah 6y ago
This is well put and I resonate with this strongly. I consider me being a strong eight. Sixes fall on my lap and half of the time try to pull themselves for me without me doing anything. 7 and 8 are really difficult (and these are the most women I approach because there is some 7 and 8 in the nigh clubs but 9 and 10 are rare). The funny thing is that I've had better ratio of fclosing 9s and 10s than 7s and 8s. I'm not sure if it's only me or does someone else have same kind of experiences?
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
It's unique to female 9s and 10s in that they get tired of the male 9s and 10s(because these men play games) and feel safer with the male 7 and 8. But until she hits the wall she will still pine for those 9s and 10s so proceed with caution.
JamesSkepp 6y ago
Can you expand on what you mean by male 9/10s playing games? I'm assuming it's not about "our" game (like 2/3 rule, being unavailable etc.), right?
And what does it men that HB9/10 feels safer with male 7/8?
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
High value women, especially when they hit the wall and get older, don't want to deal with the pressure of keeping a male 9 or 10 around anymore. I.E., stay in shape, stay thin, and all of that. It's easier for a woman after she hits the wall to go to the male 7 or 8 and let herself go a little bit.
LordFa9 6y ago
Its not that the 9s or 10s play games. They have so little time and so many women they act like a 20 year old hb10, just keeping on disqualifying for even the most minor of things
beginner_ 6y ago
by definition the top 20% is much more than just 9 and 10s. the 1-10 scale is a Gaussian distribution meaning the higher/lower you get the rarer these people are. as a 7 you are easily in the top 20% already.
LoveLord1000 6y ago
If you think it's a Gaussian distribution would you care to offer a value for the standard distribution?
You'd also end up with some people having less than 0 looks and some people with more than 10 looks, but I guess that's a technicality.
beginner_ 6y ago
My point was mostly it's not a linear distribution and 9th and 10th are a tiny fraction of the total and sure not 20%.
DeepProphet 6y ago
You're missing an important point, which is that online dating skews everything. It's not real life. Attractive women have hundreds of matches so they only swipe on the top percentage of guys, and guys swipe right on everyone who's fuckable. This means that a woman with 300+ likes will waste countless hours getting through them all, so they can be much more selective than in reality.
In 2019 as an average guy you'd probably have better chances by walking up to a woman and talking about floor tiles than getting someone who's not crazy or a landwhale to meet up with you on tinder.
MeadowT 6y ago
Lol not true at all. Average looks guy, balding, and I go on AT LEAST one date a week just from online dating. Sorry, you just have to be nice and funny. That’s the cold hard truth. (24m). Only reason I went back into this sub is to see if ppl are still crazy on it.
throwaway_alt_slo 6y ago
Hahhaha
Either im not funny or bellow average.
MeadowT 6y ago
Are you getting matches at least? Once you start getting matches treat it as practice. Learn what you can/should say. Try to schedule dates(this is the hardest part) it’s all about timing. Do it to late and they lost interest. Do it to early and they aren’t comfortable. After that welcome to the dating world buddy. Get ready for a shit load of rejections and some good times!
throwaway_alt_slo 6y ago
When i had tinder i got around 15-20 matches in 3 months. Most of them didnt respond, or they unmatched soon. I had some good convos with around 5, which after some talking (few days, up to a week) i asked them out, they stopped talking. 1 agreed to a date, which became a gf of 6 months. Also lost her virginity to her.
MeadowT 6y ago
Try hinge I’ve had a lot more success with that app. I also bought into the premium shit
throwaway_alt_slo 6y ago
I'll look into hinge, but i dont think its popular in my area. Even on tinder, there is just not enough females.
Really? I think dats bad.
MeadowT 6y ago
You made it seem like no one was even talking to you. Yeah I live in a more metro area I think that has a lot to do with the it being feasible.
throwaway_alt_slo 6y ago
Yeah well i defenetely dont have at least 1date per week
MeadowT 6y ago
Yeah I mean tbh like I’ll spend 15-30 just swiping if I’m not talking to someone. Get enough matches to just get one person to go out with. There are a lot of ppl here so it’s easy. It is probably just a numbers thing tbh.
miserablesisyphus 6y ago
This post is just some rambling autistic bullshit. It's the epitome of the problem with half the guys on TRP--they obsess over quantitative data, looking for solutions to problems that require experience in reality. Who the fuck goes around saying "i'm a solid 8.5 and I am limited to an HB 6.5-7"? Autists, that's who. Are men really out there checking out a girl, analyzing her looks and personality, weighing the pros and cons, etc. to make a judgement on whether or not shes a 6.789 +- .11176 margin of error? That's why the fuck you aren't getting laid and you're running a fucking statistical analysis on Tinder.
Here's the only two questions you need to ask yourself: 1) Do I want to fuck her right now--If yes, proceed to 2). 2) Does she want to fuck me right now. If either 1) or 2) is "No" then go fucking live your life. Who the fuck cares how many available women are in your area, they are probably complaining about your weird autistic ass anyways. Go do something with yourself to make them want to fuck you.
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Short-changedChad 6y ago
“Women are like floor tiles. Lay them properly the first time and you can walk over them for the rest of your life.”
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AshyLarry27 6y ago
This.
Actually going out and talking to girls has more power because the limitations are gone. Your personality and frame are in the moment so its more than just looking at your face and making a snap judgement. Getting in your openers, bantering, pass "in the moment shit tests," it's a different situation. You're not "waiting in line" behind a bunch of other guys with the same washed up tinder openers.
swagswag1000 6y ago
best thing about talking to girls in person e.g. clubs, parties, events, get togethers, the street.
is that charisma, swagger and a dominant presence trumps everything in the moment. girls literally cannot help but react. (assuming you aren't hideous or some physical anomaly). saying that a dude in wheelchair with swag would still do better than the average AFC.
ShavedApel 6y ago
I'm going to try a floor opener just to see what happens, I think your right anything would be better than online dating.
Das_Teacher 6y ago
Ya, you could tell them about this guy https://imgur.com/gallery/wdgwYbo for starters (TL;DR is in the comments.
NoFap_FV 6y ago
Oh, my.
Well, at least he's not into incest and that fucked up crap.
But boy that's crazy haha
DeepProphet 6y ago
I bet you $20 you can pull it off if said with enough conviction. I am also going to try it my self, it's so crazy that it just might work.
prrraveen 6y ago
hey, whats the opener. I would love to try
DeepProphet 6y ago
"Nice floor tiles, lets fuck."
Wabbajak 6y ago
There was this online tool making its rounds several years ago, where you could filter the population for age, educational level, weight etc. If applied to the U.S., its ~160 Million women are reduced to I think only several ten thousand attractive girls.
colcrnch 6y ago
What the hell is wrong with tattoos? Lots of different kinds of people have tattoos. The most loyal woman I’ve even known has several.
You chumps are getting more and more retarded.
PS2Errol 6y ago
They look disgusting and are virtually never an improvement.
22oregon22 6y ago
Yes, there can be decent women out there with tattoos but in my experience most women with significant tats are either single mothers, unhinged, or have major daddy issues. I prefer my women unscathed and feminine, but to each their own.
russian_nigger 6y ago
no you haven't. you got played, bub.
colcrnch 6y ago
She isn’t my gf you fucking knob.
russian_nigger 6y ago
where did i say she was? knob
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
Because they are fucking hideous. And it shows poor decision making. Qualities you want to screen out from a woman.
1ARofBS 6y ago
I think your analysis is solid but it's personal preference on what you like in a woman. Yes there is a baseline but sometimes what you see as a 9 could be someone's 8. For someone who likes tattoos you could have a slightly larger pool to work with and sees them as a plus. Whatever floats your boat brother.
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mette13 6y ago
Never drop your standards. Settling for a fat tattoed bitch is pretty much game over. There will be a certain number of n girls in your area, which is why we teach rejection is better than regret. Make the most of mallardcove's number.
Olga_Schmutzer 6y ago
Nice spin you give to "rejection is better than regret", but I get what you mean!
PS2Errol 6y ago
I don't understand how men get it up for fat women. I mean, it's fine to theoretically 'settle' but how do you consumate if you can't get it up because she is fat and ugly?
throwaway_alt_slo 6y ago
If u didnt have any women before, believe me, when she touches u and all u do get a boner.
Source: my first and only gf was fat and ugly.
warlordchad 6y ago
This is why guys should learn cold approach. The fact is that for most of us, hot chicks aren’t really available via Tinder—there are too few and their options online are too many as OP points out. But at the coffee shop, mall, bar, etc, she’s out there, and so few guys approach these days you have a tremendous advantage by doing so. If Tinder works for you, great, but most guys are better off learning game.
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frykidse 6y ago
Tinder investment is only for losers and pussies who do not take control of their life. Men of value use it only as a supplemental zero-investment tool it is: swipe a couple moments when you're shitting and drop your free superlike on the first one that really catches your eye. Investing anything beyond trivial time and effort into Tinder/OLD is a huge opportunity cost that could be better applied elsewhere.
The red pill of online dating is that all dating apps are driven to increase user engagement. Making a successful match/date/relationship effectively loses the app of its customer (and therefore revenue). The app does NOT want you to match. They want to dangle the carrot of a match in front of your face to separate your cash (or attention in the form of ads) from you. They are extremely well-designed Skinner boxes using human companionship as the reward mechanism. You fell prey to this insidious marketing tactic as well by purchasing Tinder Gold, which I feel safe to assume you purchased before deciding to run this sample..
I live in a small enough dating market that I occasionally run across women I see on OLD in the real. I have a much higher success rate chatting them up in the real than converting a Tinder swipe.
With all due respect, the tone of this post is straight up self-defeatism bs. Note sure what kinda rough patch you hit here man that brought on this post and population sampling. From one anonymous man to another over the internet, I hope things turn back around for you. At the end of the day, are we here to help men build themselves up or give them fuel to hamster a reason to never attempt to reach their own potential?
This whole post can be summarized with the analogy below.
That's like saying I cannot find anyone who isn't a godawful drunk at an AA meeting.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
You're not wrong, OLD apps have evolved since I last used them over a year ago. I feel like just with my experiences with all 3 the past few days, they are doing a better job of tanking my ELO. I used to get a steady stream of matches, but on all the apps I have used the past week, I got plenty of matches/likes the first 24 hours and then crickets.
Doing research it looks like they purposely tank the ELO scores of men to get them frustrated and become buyers, which makes sense. Because I have never seen this before. Because common sense says at the very least I should still be getting likes and such from fatties, land whales, and uglies. My Tinder Gold queue in the past would always be filling up with those at the very least. But I am not even getting that - so therefore I must be getting hidden or buried deep in the stack.
My Bumble Beeline has been stuck at 0 since Wednesday(the day after I downloaded it). Law of averages said I should have gotten at least one right swipe during this time. I am calling shenangians. And I am one of the biggest OLD defenders on TRP.
justlurking420 6y ago
yeah a couple years ago I would atleast match with a bunch of fatties but now I hardly get anything
LordFa9 6y ago
Whether its misguided confidence in your own smv or the app shitting on your ELO, my take its that its the usual 80/20 rule in effect and you are unwittingly in the 80% of the unwashed masses at this point in time
frykidse 6y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Match\_Group
Match has perfected the carrot dangling algorithms for maximizing revenues. Tinder sub growth has skyrocketed to record Y/Y levels, in turn causing record share prices. Honestly you'd be better served buying match stock than spending your cash on tinder gold. I expect Match has rolled out some version of this algorithm on their 40+ properties. I also expect that part of their algorithm is a superboost on new accounts, then they dial that boost back to make you wonder what happened (triggering FOMO concerns in your head). That's when they convert new subs because you start seeing opportunities to boost, etc.
I agree with this assessment. A few weeks back I remade my OKC account to see the state of the world. OKC was always my favorite: it's where the freak flags fly. My likes went crazy for 3-4 days then drastically tapered off. It's a very basic and powerful human response to want to know who just "liked" you. The pull is strong there. It's insidious marketing solely designed to maximize revenue.
A couple years back they ruined OKC changing the messaging algorithms. Nowadays your msg gets buried in the feed. For someone to see a msg, they have to swipe through their feed until the profile the msg came from shows up in the feed (while also serving ads in the feed as you swipe along). Of course you have to like someone first before you can send a message, and well.. you can subscribe to unlock seeing your likes.. See where this is going?
In practice, the OLD game is now completely rigged against every male. The extreme elite men will still have their pick of the litter. Everyone else will get tricked into subscribing yet still not get an actual match.
Solution: meet women in the real. Frame and male presence (with sexy muscles) are enough to get anyone laid. Revisit how to get laid like a warlord if needed. You are enough.
My physical bona fides: 40, 5-9, 155, 8-9%bf (upper 4-pack). I've been told I am an 8 or a 9 by women. I have what I call sexy mass so I have nice pecs and a decent V in tanks and t-shirts. I've always done squat heavy programs so I get compliments on my legs quite a bit. That's more than plenty to put me top 5-10% in my age bracket. Unless I'm in the gym, I'm typically one of the most fit, most built men in the venue. The bar really is that low (at least where I live). Kinda sad really, but hey I put in a few years work to get here. I'll enjoy the benefits of my efforts.
Aside- given my age, I don't discriminate against dating "post-wall" ladies. I also weight personality (do I like this gal?) in my dating choices, so I'll see someone thats maybe 20lbs overweight as well. There is a certain raw lust in the single mom who just needs fun and release for the evening that is hard to explain without experiencing it. They're also older and more experienced so they have a bit more understanding of their needs and desires in the sack. Kinda fun to make em your little sexual plaything ya know. Goes without saying I ain't gonna wife em up, but I'll be happy to be the one they text when they have an itch that needs scratched.
throwaway_alt_slo 6y ago
8-9bf% and u should have a whole six pack (its not gonna be shredded like ig models, but still). To be told u are 8 or 9 means you were born with a hot face (which u can hide by being fat). Im nowhere near as fat but even when i was lean af, i had horrible face. If it were all about lifting, it would be fair, but its about genetics (how your face looks when u lean down). Thats the problem with people, they think everybody is hot if they just lift. Just look at Jeff Cavaliere. U think hes hot? Hes jacked and shredded, but his face is incelish.
frykidse 6y ago
No it's all about frame. Your reply shows your frame is "I am not good enough"
You need to read how to get laid like a warlord. Sort by top posts of all time, you'll find it.
If you think that dude has an incel face you have some serious body dysmorphia issues to address. Symmetric and masculine. What exactly are your standards here? That dude hit the genetic lottery on top of busting his ass to achieve the body he has.
I would be considered a TRP success story. Especially if lifting & getting physically hot was all it was.. That's merely the tip of the iceberg. You got your head too far up your ass to see the lessons. Having gone from an anonymous tubbo in the club to one of the sexiest dudes in the venue.. I can fully attest frame is the only thing that truly matters. Looks help get your foot in the door, ain't gonna lie. You gotta be the dick salesman that actually seals the deal.
Here's the rub- it wasn't getting physically hot that got me anywhere near where I needed to be. It was learning I was actually a badass mfer (likely thx to pushing myself for all my PRs & making it through a major health scare) underneath it all which gave me the balls to consistently go for it instead of going home to wank my pud wishing that one chick I talked to was slobbing my gob... Yes I still have plenty of fuckups, blowouts and missed opportunities.. but I have also have a whole shitton more I got my hands in a hot gal's crotch stories bc I got the balls to simply reach down there now.
Nah man, lose 80+ lbs in your late 30s & the skin wont bounce back like a young pups would. It sags & covers the bottom 2. I have a sexy barrel core with my shirt on plus I look damn good enough with my shirt off so fuck it. I have flaws. I ain't perfect but that does not mean I am not more than good enough for these gals. In a tank top I look about like fight club Brad Pitt, which was what my goal was. Doesn't matter tho: I am a man, that's all it takes to get girls if girls is all you're after here.
Turns out I was genetically blessed after I got rid of all the fat fucking everything up. Nice cheekbones and all that shit. Never woulda known if I didn't get my shit together. Gotta tell you, I got big lips, a wide nose & still getting random zits at 40 and all kinds of other imperfections that won't make me Justin Bieber hot. I got 4 veins in my forearms offsetting that shit tho so it balances out. Being "hot" is just as much your personality as your genetic lottery ticket. Internalize that shit & turn your life around.
So you're at a crossroads here: you can keep making your pussy excuses or you can embrace your masculinity and go forth and bend this world to your will. idgaf what you do honestly, my words ain't gonna change someone who doesn't want to change themselves. I gotta say I'd rather see you live life on this side. It's a lot more fun.
throwaway_alt_slo 6y ago
Thats what my experience tells me. Frame doesnt help when u are ignored.
Read that shit its bs.
Okay maybe. I have never ever heard anyone to compliment his face tho.
Exactly. It doesnt help me getting my foot in the door.
Yeah, u sure getting physically hot isnt why were u having luck? And learning u were actually a badass mfer after the fact u were getting IOIs? Which were results from u being physically hot? Cause thats my experience, i used to be confident af for about a year, but shit didnt matter, coz i wasnt hot. I never in my life got IOIs. Thats got to tell u something.
How can i take u seriously, when the next thing u post is this:
And yeah, im not nowhere near fat and my face is so undefined, no chin, no jaw no cheekbones. I've seen fatter people than me with more defined face.
Then i read this nugget:
True.
Thanks and agreed. I mean i already did. It still doesnt get me girls. But like 50cent said: "get rich or die trying". Its too horrible to live life miserable.
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fuckGuilt 6y ago
"If you want to succeed, double your failure rate" - some dude at IBM.
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EdmondDaunts 6y ago
You’re describing the SMV equivalent of the 1% in economics. You can become part of it by investing to some degree. When you sell your house you briefly become it. It’s ever changing
You stay in it longer by investing for longer and improving your financial position. And minimising your losses.
So for those men, in fact for most of us, you will have a 1% era.
ratpoison987 6y ago
What’s wrong with tattoos? You some kinda bigot?
PickUpScientist 6y ago
yeah i'm lost as well. some can be unsightly, but putting tattoos right up there with kids and obesity?
ElectronicStrain88 6y ago
My perception of the post is that these are his minimum criteria for a LTR. Otherwise I'm not sure why it matters if she has kids.
throwaway_alt_slo 6y ago
Ikr, single moms should be easier lay
mateussgarcia 6y ago
Hahahaha op is a baby boomer. He forgot to mention Girls that dont go to church lol
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Imperator_Red 6y ago
This kind of fag talk is not tolerated here. Bye.
Isaac_Broccoli 6y ago
lol calm all the way down, chief.
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Thunderbird93 6y ago
Don't know why you got downvoted. TRP sometimes isn't savage. I'm down to fuck a bad bitch. Its like the whole mentality of if she isn't a virgin she is a slut lol
I_STOMP_YOU 6y ago
Even if she is a slut who cares? If she is attractive, put on a rubber and go for it. Single mom? Who fucking cares? If she is hot then go out, have fun and try to get laid.
Complaining about Tinder is like going to carmax and complaining that you aren’t having any luck finding an Aston Martin with low miles.
Thunderbird93 6y ago
Haha good analogy my nigga. Guys on here sometimes have unrealistic expectations. Its like Swae Lee says: "I aint got no type,bad bitches is the only thing that I like." Lost my v card to a stripper, as long as you rubber up who cares bruh
ZeppKfw 6y ago
I think it's because he said bigot
Thunderbird93 6y ago
Yeah but thats accurate. Don't get me wrong, I fuck with mallardcove, his post "You are not her top option" is a classic but saying tattoo'ed chicks are a no go is a bit bigoted
ZeppKfw 6y ago
I don't think we'd have problems with tattooed chicks if they were mentally stable. The problem is that chicks that tattoo themselves is that it's a sign of trauma like Rollo said.
Just search from asktrp "Why do most of girls these days have tattoos or want one". That's a good thread explaining why it's a bad idea to stick your dick in one.
Thunderbird93 6y ago
You act like getting your dick wet is a sign of committment. Some of us are just looking to get our nut and bounce bro. How does a chick having tattoo's influence me chasing my 3 second orgasm then jetting off? Thanks for the source though, I'll check it out
ZeppKfw 6y ago
Because I've made the mistake myself twice. Some of my buddies experienced similar things and rpers generally recommend not doing so. Why?
Because she can be absolutely obsessed with you and fabricate outrageous events which can lead to false rape accusations and ruin your life. Even if you bounce, she'll tell everyone she knows about you, screenshot every conversation, find the condom you threw away and inseminate herself, and she will try to find you in an obsessive manner.
I'm not saying every single tattoed chick does this. It's just a sign of crazy and crazy has a high chance of doing the above. But if it works for you, I ain't tryna change your life.
Thunderbird93 6y ago
I hear you about being cautious buddy, thanks for the advice. In all honesty though tatto's show that a chick is a bad bitch down to get dicked down most times and I'm in & out. I think its only bad if you wife her