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http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/12/04/The-Sexodus-Part-1-The-Men-Giving-Up-On-Women-And-Checking-Out-Of-Society

This should speak to everyone in this sub. I have to say this is one of the first times I've seen TRP theory and MGTOW discussed in the mainstream media, albeit not by name. The comments are chock full of folks that have unplugged.

edit: Link to Part 2

edit2: Backup of the original article now that it's been pulled:

https://archive.today/ocOGM

Edit: I noticed Milo linked to us in his article here, which is also relevant to the subject of this thread.

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Kriszy34 10y ago

I recently heard about this new trend and after reading several articles I see many points are valid ,logical and even reasonable. I did a little survey so to speak on my facebook and it seems the majority are afraid to even approach this topic. I called them all chickens hehe but men we are just as confused and fed up with you me bullshit too. Does this mean we should all just opt out no. We need to find ways to A. Be more black/white men tend to hate the unknown or having to question things. We need to begin to value each other again and put in a equal share of improving the fundamentals of relationships its not one sided boys/men . All I'm saying is Really guys. Are chicks that complicated? Were both complicated its human nature. Is fantasy really better then reality? I think everyone craves companionship and fulfillment. And boycotting sex? Haha I almost fell over laughing when I read that. Please keep me updated on how the strike against women is going..ill be watching . Dont ridicule me about my punctuation in on my phone and won't let me correct my mistakes . Thanks and have a happy day :)

TheWizardofGonz 10y ago

Holy shit, my mind was blown by the universe 25 parallel.

Red_Pill_302 10y ago

This article is pure distilled red pill gold this should be sidebar material.

sway_usa 10y ago

Breitbart news is a friend of TRP community. They wouldn't likely ever admit it, but you can bet your ass that at least a few of their writers and editors frequent this reddit and other similar sites. They see the decline in action just like we do. And this article is completely spot on, and does well to summarize almost all problems with current feminism and western civilization.

SQQQ 10y ago

o hell ya.

i'd be leaving the country because of this shit.

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LordTerramine 10y ago

Personally I believe this is all an inevitable product of evolution, as per that mouse experiment mentioned in the article. But I think in humans, it will result in humans evolving to become asexual. It all lines up too, considering Ectobiology is almost here. That is to say, reproduction with machines.

To anyone who doesn't realize the implications... remember that the purpose to sex is reproduction. Even among homosexuals, they simply have the swapped instincts. This means that, in a weird way... homosexual men for instance want to be preggers, to varying degrees.

In fact we're liable to see a rise of homosexuality, if it really does serve an evolutionary purpose of limiting reproduction.

But in the bigger picture like I said. Humans are evolving to be "beautiful ones"... which is bad for mice. But solitary pursuit can mean something completely different for a conscious being. It can be, to focus on bettering one self. It can lead to mastery of life. Just think, even if you successfully get hitched to a lover... they will inevitably hold you back. You can still do great things, but at a very small fraction of what you could've done alone. You could be revered as a legend, you could achieve legendary status. But you have to make sacrifices for that. You have to give up your animal instincts and take control of your emotions.

I have no doubt that in the future, Humans will be an asexual species. Sex is becoming obsolete, we only cling to it because we are still young and weak.

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LordTerramine 10y ago

I don't know about speciation. Usually in evolution, speciation is common and one might think it only increases over time. However once a species overcomes the barriers that could separate their populations, I doubt speciation would happen. I think the closest to speciation we will see. Is the trans-humanist idea that people will have full control on their appearance and capabilities, and thus you'll have dog people and super saiyans and whatever else you can think of. But this is simply maximal diversity among individuals, rather than a group.

But MIDTERM? I feel more like, extremes of TRP mentality and extremes of the social justice feminist are clashing it out and will settle somewhere in the middle. Closer to where MRAs are at. But what will happen is, at some point, I think the point will be to also teach women to do the same. To be Beautiful Ones.

In fact that's at LEAST where the pitch line SHOULD be leading to. It starts with men, then as society freaks out about this mentality. There will be people whom will suggest that BOTH sexes should take this route. That it's not male exclusive.

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LordTerramine 10y ago

I dunno man, I don't think it's as confusing as some people make it out to be. Women might still be swooning over buff alpha male type characters on television, but they're still moving more and more away from it. They're swooning over fictional characters, because they don't care for the real thing. It's the same way for men, I'm as MGTOW as they come. Yet I have loads of pictures of babes that are pretty much supermodels. Big asses, nice tits, blahblahblah. But I don't actually care for that IRL. I aint busy trying to get laid at all, I don't care for sex at all. It doesn't mean that some supermodel could come along and seduce me. I'd tell the bitch to fuck off.

The same thing with women and alpha males. The alpha male just doesn't have as much power as you think anymore. Although this is offset by the fact that there is 7 billion humans. My point being, for every female that falls for alpha males. There is loads of them too busy not banging any guys at all.

So it's not just checking out of relationships with betas. In general it's women stopping focus on dating and marriage, and becoming more focused on careers and the like. In fact last I checked, women were doing great in school lately whereas men are not.

Currently if anything is in doubt... it's ironically whether or not men will awaken. Because MOST MGTOWs are more akin to the mice Beautiful Ones... eating drinking grooming... but not much else. They're like animals, wasting their lives away. Just like those mice... they lead empty lives. Just being MGTOW, means nothing. It's what you do with it that matters. Women are becoming subconsciously MGTOW more and more, and they're doing it in the right way by default compared to men.

rockumsockumrobots 10y ago

While this is a bit frightening because I didn't realize it was this bad, it is good, because now it's out in the main stream and reaching a more critical state.

Now we can say "This is happening, it's real, people are talking about it...so what are we going to do about it?"

Hopefully the answer to that question will be for men to swallow the red pill, accept their role as men in a harsh and uncertain world and strive to better themselves first.

However, I doubt this will happen. Humans usually don't choose the harder road when given the choice. Human nature is to always opt for the easier, more comfortable option and the nature of a society is to let something turn into an emergency, then deal with it.

socio_j 10y ago

Cultural marxists and feminists have created something far worse, damaging and "real" than class warfare. A real war of the sexes. We live in dark times, and if feminism doesn't get systematically repressed this world is heading for the shitter.

52576078 10y ago

As someone who would consider myself on the Left in terms of economics, and the importance of promoting the interests of the working class etc, I have been shocked by how intersectionality has devastasted the Left in the past 30 years. Most leftwingers I know spend most of their time talking about womens, gays and racism and very little about class struggle. It's incredible.

IllimitableMan 10y ago

And we'll discover that the real victims of modern feminism are, of course, women themselves, who have been left lonelier and less satisfied than they have ever been.

I find it hilarious how much of the article basically outlines how the typical woman treats the average man like a pile of fucking shit, and then concludes that in their hostile ignorant arrogance, they end up being the real victims due to loneliness.

Men always want to go to bat for women, and that shit fucks me off. It must be genetic or some shit because I see men in TRP doing that shit too "don't be mad at tuh womenz brah, u just bitter OK? I get LOADSA PUSSY, you gotta lift and man up brah, stop being bitter brah" I get fucking tired of that retarded trite dumb testosterone monkeys spit. Fucking retards who lift a bit of metal and fuck a bit of pussy who are totally ignorant to what's going on, but think they're a boss because they can get laid and are constantly high on fucking TREN and a post workout buzz. Just because you lift and get laid, doesn't mean society isn't fucked up. Their opinions on life and women are basically some retarded flow chart:

Do you lift brah? (Yes/No) No? - If not go lift brah
Do you get laid brah? (Yes/No?) - If not go tinder brah.

Tinder not working? You need to cut brah. Already doing both? Then there's no problem, you be trippin' brah! GYM AND TINDER FO LYFE!

See these fucking idiots think being jacked and getting laid is all you need to be fulfilled in life, and that's fucking bullshit. Men outside the manosphere could collectively go lift tomorrow and it wouldn't change the legal system, it wouldn't get rid of feminism, it wouldn't fix the fucked up education system or the shit economy and it wouldn't give men game/social awareness. It wouldn't change a sweet damn thing for the overall condition of men as outlined in this fucking article.

For some reason, there are a sub-section of men who want to go to bat for women, and the more pussy your typical man gets, the more he thinks "hey you know what, women are fine, I have great times with them, you must be the problem BRAAAAHHHH ain't nothing wrong with women BRAAAAAAAH you're the problem BRAAAAAAAAAAH." They don't wanna explore really what the fuck is up. It's just the guys fault. It's close-minded bullshit. Fuck exploring shit, and god forbid blaming a woman, they are poor innocent wittle victimz and as a man, it's all your fault if she's a cunt! The old hypoagent-hyperagent bait and switch gets annoying (men take blame for everything, women get blamed for nothing.)

Look, if we're not blaming women FOR ANYTHING, and NOTHING IS THEIR FAULT even if they're HUGE CUNTS. Then we can't treat them as equals. We can't respect them. We must see them as inferior children (hence the sidebar post "she's the most responsible teenager in the room")

If we treat them as equals with agency, then we have to hold them to account and stop fucking blaming men for women acting like cunts. You, you vest wearing juicing fuck, need to stop telling men they are fucking bitter because they have genuine rational grievances with bitches. You need to stop looking down on men who don't follow your self-prescribed juice/lift/tinder lifestyle, shut the fuck up gloating/going to bat for women and realise you're a fucking idiot so high on juice and pussy that your opinion amounts to jack fucking shit. You're a dumb bitch-enabling ape looking for his next orgasm, that's all you are. You may physically epitomise masculinity, but mentally you're as bad as the fucking mangina feminist David Futrelle

Please, pick a fucking side, because I'm tired of the bait-and-switch in play that is used whenever it is beneficial to serve the plight of women. Men taking the blame for shit outside their realm of control is, in my opinion, full warp speed male hamster.

Women always need the #1 spot in the victim Olympics don't they? And men and women collectively enable that bullshit mentality. Society needs to figure the fuck out whether it wants to treat women as agentless puppies that need to be fed and watered all chained up in their kitchens, or to treat them as fucking people with equal agency, which means stop going to fucking bat for them and validating their bullshit with "as the man, it's your fault she's a cunt, you should have used your super man powers to stop her being a cunt. You should have treated her in such an ALFALLLLLFA way that the very base of her nature changed and caused her to change into what you wanted her to be. SHE IS THE WAY YOU MAKE HER. If you were a real man, she wouldn't be a cunt." Because you know, the fact she has daddy issues and feminism taught her that anything with a dick is a symbolic incarnation of Satan is irrelevant, it's ALL YOUR FAULT if it don't work with these bitches. And so the masculinity shaming and blaming continues in it's epic as ever fashion.

LOOK: both MEN AND WOMEN are sick right now, in fact the whole damn society is. Women are too mentally violent and feral, the worst of their femininity is running amok. Men are too confused, passive and directionless. That's where TRP comes in, but men should only be taking responsibility for their own destinies, not blaming themselves for the inevitable theatrics that come as part of the package in dealing with your average day loony toon of a woman. I never subscribed to the "as a man, it's your fault she's a cunt IF she's a cunt mantra," and I never will. Some women are just fucking cunts, plain and simple, and you're an idiot if you think you can make poison drinkable, or tame the untameable serpent. It takes a whole fucking society to bring bitches in line, and society has failed all of us.

This whole, she's got no agency when she's playing her victim card, but she's as equal as you with as much agency as you when she needs representation and respect is fucking bullshit. The mixed messages are what really fucks shit up. And that shit really fucks up young men, men in general and the sheer prospect of an LTR for a man. It's such a head fuck that I understand why a lot of guys think "fuck this shit!" and look for escapes. I don't fucking blame 'em, they're doing what they perceive to be the rational thing, they just want to be happy. Most men are simple like that. They don't need all the head games and politics that comes with being in a relationship or even associating with women nowadays.

Anyway, intentionally vitriolic and provocative rant aside, I thought that was a really good piece. But women the real victims? Fucking please. 15-30 is a non-stop party for them. After that they either experience what young guys did, but the girl world equivalent, or they find a beta bucks, get dicked by one of the last remaining alphas this effeminate society has, and then fucking cheat on the beta and swindle him through divorce/child support etc. Which I'm sure some self-assured cunt on here will reply with "that's great for me BRAH, MORE PUSSY FOR ME BRAH!"

Anyway, great share bsutan, really enjoyed the read.

I hope I pissed a few people off who read this, you gym rat cunts know who the fuck you are. A man with the body of a demigod and the mind of a piss ant is a caricature of masculinity, you cunts make me sick. If you lift, you better fucking read too (its the mental equivalent of lifting) and cut out the chest puffing "everything is a man's fault" bullshit.

Edit: typos and blah blah. Also, thanks for gold. Funny how rants are typically so well received despite their total lack of sophistication.

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87GNX 10y ago

This is one of the most righteous rants ever posted on TRP.

Snivellious 10y ago

Christ, thanks for this. The difference between "Try your best to fix women so you don't have to fucking deal with that shit" and "You're to blame for not fixing women" is an important one to remember. That frog and scorpion parable doesn't erase the fact that the scorpion is suicidally vicious, it just means that's a thing to be aware of.

RPDBF 10y ago

The thing is TRP is meant to be reactionary to the fucked up world we live in, it was never to be a group that crusades to try and change society.

Cyralea 10y ago

I think there's a middle ground here. Full disclosure, while I'm not a roided freak, I'm a gym rat with musculature.

It's fully possible to be one of the 'winners' of the sexual marketplace and still recognize the system for being as fucked as it is. I, for one, recognize it probably better than most; my backyard here in Toronto has been fucked 10 different ways by progressive feminism.

Whose fault is that? Well, feminists. Both women and effeminate, low-testosterone men. A larger population than analytic men. You know better than most people how irrational, how utterly incapable of logical thinking women are. They just lack the mental capacity. But that's their nature. I don't encourage or enjoy it, but nature designed them that way, they're naturally fucked in the head 90% of the time.

But complaining about it is akin to complaining about the rain. They have no agency, never have, and never will. There's a feeling of utter impotency holding out on trying to get them to accept some fucking responsibility, even just a fraction of the time. Instead the only recourse is to give in, and just accept it. Dogs will eat the steaks in front of them and all that.

Were it that I could effect some change on society I'd be all on board, but I honestly feel that the decline is inevitable due to the number of women and idiotic men on board the progressiveness train. What else can one do but fuck lots of women in the meanwhile?

That said, I feel where you're coming from. I've lost a lot of respect for women during my time in TRP. I accept them for what they are, but they'll never have the respect that I bear for other men, with a handful of exceptions like Camille Paglia.

IllimitableMan 10y ago

Really good post dude.

Were it that I could effect some change on society I'd be all on board, but I honestly feel that the decline is inevitable due to the number of women and idiotic men on board the progressiveness train. What else can one do but fuck lots of women in the meanwhile?

Build a bunker to survive the fallout.

That said, I feel where you're coming from. I've lost a lot of respect for women during my time in TRP. I accept them for what they are, but they'll never have the respect that I bear for other men, with a handful of exceptions like Camille Paglia.

Completely hear you and agree 100%. I feel the same way about women. Feminism is this strange societal level shit test where women try to achieve the level of respect that men inspire without having to go through and meet the same levels of personal growth, strife and expectations that they do.

Red_King_Rising 10y ago

When you are getting you needs met it's hard to see how others aren't. Ask the 1% how they feel about the rest of us. Ask whites about racism being dead. Ask women about men's rights. The dominate group that is winning never sees a problem for the group who is not. It's human nature.

brotherjustincrowe 10y ago

Thank. Fuck. There's a reason you're endorsed. Too many people think TRP is some kind of PUA bullshit, like "Return Of Kings" just means "How To Keep Your Dick Consistently Wet" and nothing else. Being a man, a real man in a society with an increasingly eroding definition of the word, is what gets you laid. Not the other way around.

Squabbles123 10y ago

I think the point of that line is "Women are fucking it up for themselves", which is totally on point.

nrjk 10y ago

Well, on a microscale, if you've ever worked in a group of women, same thing. The collective "I don't wanna..." reaches a tipping point and then you're up shit creek without a shit paddle.

IllimitableMan 10y ago

Oh definitely. They're saying "fuck men" in youth and "having it all" (getting paid and laid with no commitment) and in exchange they're getting diddly fuck when they're post-wall. That, or a beta who doesn't even meet 1/10th of their insane expectations. Thus women are eternally unhappy, what's new eh?

neilmcc 10y ago

How can you blame young women getting raised in such a toxic environment? The west abandoned its traditions because it was infiltrated by hostile elites that want to bleed us dry.

It is good that women act out because they are the canaries in the coal mine. Just on practical grounds, I don't see how ideas like saying it is women's fault is productive (I leave shaming to the ones who enforce morality and good sense which should, and only effectively could, be educators, family [particularly mother/grandmother] and by their peers) or true. How could it be true? The average 20 something woman was born in the 90s long after feminism was put into motion. It is absurd to blame them. And one of TRP truths is understanding it isn't in a woman's nature to guide the ship.

Children aren't being born because men aren't sexy anymore because men who are patriarchal are sexy. Women like the outlaw because our environment is lawless. Women are more natural creatures whereas men transfer their traditions through knowledge. As a result, our reaction was somewhat delayed. TRP chooses to focus on a subset of manly things but it remains a caricature as you say because it is trying to appeal to the left-liberal circus they've been indoctrinated by.

It takes a whole fucking society to bring bitches in line, and society has failed all of us.

The radical individualist mindset, twisted through a false conception of macho, that you described is failing to acknowledge that man is social and as such, can work with other men. Modern men have had their ethnic ties, sense of belonging all demolished and their traditions wrecked. Of course they think as they do! We are back at the point to create new traditions but with science and widespread information. We know patriarchy wasn't some oppressive conspiracy but a product of the natural order.

Alpha is completely contextual status. Today's alpha must be as regressed as the society it is part of. Even then, casual sex must take place under a cocktail of drugs and alcohol and constant reassurances by a toxic society to override a woman's good sense because patriarchal norms are just as much an aspect of masculinity as femininity.

There are people and groups to blame for this and we should remember their names but it isn't women. In the meantime, solutions must be made by men and if they do not act, there is no one who will.

Aerobus 10y ago

I think women have forever been unhappy, but back 100 years ago, they knew they could get a consolation prize by getting a guaranteed beta husband (due to society where marriage rates were high).

Now, they don't even know if they will get the consolation prize, which pisses them off more.

RedBigMan 10y ago

Women always want something better.

If they got a stable, dependable man at home who makes $100K/yr they'll try to trade up for a sable, dependable man who brings in $1M/yr.

If they got a 3 bedroom house they'll want to trade up for a 5 bedroom mini-mansion.

If they got a Ford Focus they'll want to trade up for a Porsche.

through_a_ways 10y ago

Women have to be inferior to be happy. Feminism, from a woman's perspective, is like candy: Feels good, and you think you like it, but the healthy stuff is far better for you (and tastes better too, once you let go of your unrealistic flavor expectations)

Patriarchy (like 19th century and prior) is like the parent that forbids you from having candy, and meshes the lesson into your head so that you continue to avoid bad food once the restriction has lifted.

JackGetsIt 10y ago

Women have to be inferior to be happy

Even after firmly swallowing the red pill this is the hardest thing for me to grasp.

johnnight 10y ago

Not inferior. Subordinated.

Not happy. Secure.

Women have to be subordinated to a superior man to feel secure (and happy in the security).

That's also the appeal of dictatorships. The dictator takes the responsibility for the general well-being, so that the people (men too!) have to worry less. (see Erich Fromm)

BluepillProfessor 10y ago

Women don't want to be "inferior" but they want the man they are fucking to be "superior" to them.

grendalor 10y ago

I'd rephrase it as "need to be with a man whom they see as clearly superior to themselves" to be happy. They want truly superior men, not just that they are subjected.

The ultimate fantasy of many women is that they are strong, accomplished, independent, sexy, etc., but they are swept off their feet by a man who is even more accomplished, strong, independent, sexy, such that she feels safe with him because he is superior to her. That's the fantasy.

A proxy for it is subjecting women, which subsidizes the status of all men artificially, and is kind of what was traditionally done. But women hated this, often, because they knew that in many cases the superiority was fake and subsidized, and that the men they were put together with were actually inferior. In other words, it worked socially because it was a subsidy that placed the thumbs on the status scale in favor of men, which upped the status of average men, and this was enforced socially and legally. But that doesn't mean women didn't see through it.

No, what women want is actually superior men -- that is what hypergamy wants. The trouble is that this can never work in a stable social order because there are few such men by definition. That leads back to the subsidization of status option which traditionalism had. The only other option is for all men to become actually superior (inherently, and not by means of subsidy) -- which will never happen, by definition.

So, in the meantime, we individual men work to become the inherently superior men of our age, and leave the rest of it to history, really.

52576078 10y ago

As you say, it's impossible for all men to become superior by definition, as women's standard of expectation will simply rise with the tide.

1independentmale 10y ago

They want truly superior men

Right, and what's the first thing they do when they catch one? Try to break him down, shit test him into oblivion and turn him into a beta. If she succeeds, she looses all attraction to him and finds a new alpha to fuck.

The takeaway is nothing we don't already know: Hold your motherfucking frame, dread, abundance mentality and never acquiesce. Be the rock. Be unmovable. Be willing to walk away and let her go at any time, knowing to the very depth of your soul that you can upgrade to younger & hotter with ease if shit goes south.

I'm at the point in my life where I love my LTR and want to keep her forever, but at the same time I almost look forward to a break up so I can play with other females. As a result I am unmoved by her attempts to make me the beta bucks she thinks she wants but really doesn't.

grendalor 10y ago

Yep -- great points. Absolutely need to keep frame, keep abundance and options and be willing to walk. It's the baseline needed to succeed in an LTR today.

JackGetsIt 10y ago

Wow. Thank you for this thoughtful analysis. It's really eye opening for me. When I said I struggled to grasp the idea I really meant that I agree with it but it seems downright insane on its face. However your reasoning is very sound.

A proxy for it is subjecting women, which subsidizes the status of all men artificially.

This seems to be exactly what a lot of Islamic societies are doing to women. If all women are confined, controlled and covered up men's value goes through the roof because the essentially unlock, to an extent, a women's relative freedom. She has many more freedoms as a wife so men's status is artificially bumped. In addition she is less likely to leave a marriage because legally she can't in most circumstances.

Your next point is we only have two options to re-balance society: a return to traditionalism (which is near impossible at this point in the western world) or all men become actually superior (which is impossible by definition). So what's the solution? Maybe there isn't one? Maybe we need to just embrace the inequality and except as men that no matter how alpha we become there will always be bigger alpha's lurking and the best we can do is avoid them? Control our own circles of influence? It's a dismal prospect but sticking our head in the sand isn't going to help either.

Edit: Also, should we actively attempt to keep women feeling inferior in LTR's??

grendalor 10y ago

So what's the solution? Maybe there isn't one? Maybe we need to just embrace the inequality and except as men that no matter how alpha we become there will always be bigger alpha's lurking and the best we can do is avoid them? Control our own circles of influence? It's a dismal prospect but sticking our head in the sand isn't going to help either.

There isn't a big picture solution without a social reset, and that isn't happening anytime soon. So, there really isn't much point focusing on the bigger picture, other than to understand the current situation more clearly in order to determine how to best manage ourselves in it. It isn't going back to traditionalism, and it isn't going to be the case that all men are superior alpha males. Key is, once we understand that, working with it and maximizing our own situation, understanding the constraints. In the near future I see more betas, more fapping when virtual reality sex comes along, more men dropping out, preferring fapping to VR and so on. But that's not my problem. My problem is me, and how I get what I want given the messed up context.

Also, should we actively attempt to keep women feeling inferior in LTR's??

Yes. But the way to do that is by being superior to her, such that her inferiority is obvious, understood and grasped by her and accepted, and never forced upon her. It has to flow naturally from who you are -- you are a superior man, you are superior to her, she knows it, likes it and so on, and you never have to tell her that, or force her to accept it or whatever. You're just superior by being who you are, and that is that.

If that ever fails in an LTR, you're going into a trouble phase, because when women really start to feel that their man is not superior to them, they don't go into a "we are equal" phase, but rather an "I am superior to my man" phase. This makes the woman feel very uneasy, unsafe, and thinking she needs a better man. It doesn't always unravel overnight, but unless that trend is checked and reversed, it will unravel. A woman will not stay with a man who she sees as inferior to herself in any way, and no rings or commitments will change that in 2014.

Demonspawn 10y ago

a return to traditionalism (which is near impossible at this point in the western world)

It's inevitable, actually. We will return to traditionalism when the system collapses due to ignoring natural law.

bsutansalt 10y ago

That's where it's going, yes. It's also a grand irony that it's feminists pushing for all this social change that's going to backfire and result in true patriarchy down the road when this all comes full circle.

BluepillProfessor 10y ago

should we actively attempt to keep women feeling inferior in LTR's??

YES! Ideally you should actively attempt to keep yourself feeling SUPERIOR but if you have to do that by making her feel inferior (because so many of these Facebook junkies are arrogant bitches who need to be knocked down a peg) then that is what you have to do if you want what passes for her "love."

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Hence why I almost never ever compliment any woman ever. I'm not going to artificially raise their value that way. And the Facebook whores who feed off that type of constant validation? I deliberately put them down, typically with amused mastery, so that they instinctively realize that I'm above them and they realize that I am above all these orbiters giving them likes or compliments or texts or whatever.

Though any women who participates in that kind of validation orgy is instantly classified as a plate forever. I've been watching one plate realize what she is to me and watching it destroy her personal value to the point where she actually started therapy. On Facebook she gets hundreds of men validating her, on World of Warcraft (yeah she does that shit) she gets men proposing to her! And so on. Then with me I won't do fucking shit and she knows it. She's far too low value for me to elevate above plate status. I should go do a FR on her.

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suloco 10y ago

Exactly this. I do subscribe to the self-bettering aspect of lifting but that's about it. It pisses me off to see that a large part of TRP is just about 'enjoying the decline'. It's exactly this mentality, that allows feminists to thrive. 'Moar pussy for me, brah' that is the exact problem I have with these guys. They say they're Red Pill Alfa Greek Gods but they are just as much part of the problem as feminist bitches these guys tell themselves they use for easy fuck.

IllimitableMan 10y ago

Exactly this. I do subscribe to the self-bettering aspect of lifting but that's about it.

Same here. I lift because it has real fucking tangible benefits, mentally and physically, and makes any man better than he was simply for doing it. HOWEVER, I do not let that shit define me, I don't adhere to that whole Jersey Shore bullshit.

hey say they're Red Pill Alfa Greek Gods but they are just as much part of the problem as feminist bitches these guys tell themselves they use for easy fuck.

Yep, they're enablers. Like a few people who have replied to me have said, why should they give a fuck? They just wanna get theirs. I can see both sides.

Demonspawn 10y ago

It pisses me off to see that a large part of TRP is just about 'enjoying the decline'. It's exactly this mentality, that allows feminists to thrive.

That's because there are only three solutions to feminism: Revolt, Expat, or Turtle.

Honestly, I'd be all for the revolt. The problem is getting the critical mass of men.

suloco 10y ago

Yep, revolt would be very rewarding but I think that the feminism wave will overreach and die down. I have a feeling though that the traditional nuclear family is already damaged beyond salvation in the West. Feels really sad that the thing that enabled mankind to expand the civilization is now in such decline.

throwyourfaceawaybro 10y ago

The problem is getting the critical mass of men.

There are not enough free weights in the world to reach them kind of gainz.

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It wouldn't change a sweet damn thing for the overall condition of men as outlined in this fucking article.

That's b/c biological attraction is (generally) contrary to civilized life.

Women want anarchy.

IllimitableMan 10y ago

Excellent deduction, I don't think you're wrong.

DRMMR76 10y ago

I have noticed those types of comments as well and I think some posters are trying to AMOG the TRP subreddit. Every time someone posts a FR or a story of their past, without fail someone always shows up and just posts "ur just being a pussy" or something similar. Or even when the guy posting did some really great things or shows that he's learning, someone will come in, nitpick the post to death and find some way to shit on the poster. It's not constructive at all. It's like they're treating TRP as a real life bar scene and the feel they need to bring down others at every opportunity to make themselves seem or feel superior.

In some abstract sense, yes every other TRP member is "competition", but honestly the likelihood that anyone on TRP is actually competing for the same girls as you in real life is next to nothing. So all the chest puffing/thumping and "stop being a pussy brah" nonsense serves no purpose other than to make the commenter feel superior to the guy who wrote the post. It's pathetic and transparent.

IllimitableMan 10y ago

someone will come in, nitpick the post to death and find some way to shit on the poster. It's not constructive at all.

It's a crab bucket mentality, and IMO, under my idealised version of masculinity, that destructive henpecking bullshit wouldn't exist.

It's not constructive at all. It's like they're treating TRP as a real life bar scene and the feel they need to bring down others at every opportunity to make themselves seem or feel superior.

I've seen people doing this to endorsed contributors. Not just me, but others too. Sometimes I think someone is just talking shit to me because I have that little userbar. They always pick an endorsed member or a mod or someone recognisable. It's kind of pathetic.

In some abstract sense, yes every other TRP member is "competition", but honestly the likelihood that anyone on TRP is actually competing for the same girls as you in real life is next to nothing. So all the chest puffing/thumping and "stop being a pussy brah" nonsense serves no purpose other than to make the commenter feel superior to the guy who wrote the post. It's pathetic and transparent.

Hear, hear! Bullseye.

[deleted] 10y ago

I lift religiously (as all men should), and I also agree about 100% with what you are saying. There's so much more at work than just "lifting 'n slutzzz" in the world, and the preachers of hedonism are missing the point entirely.

In times of true crisis, the paper alphas that put on a clown act to get pussy will give way to real alphas, men of strength, vision and conscience who remake the world as they see fit. Check out Ulfheim, for example. These guys have eschewed red pill hedonism for thoughtful, masculine brotherhood.

All this said, you 100% still need to lift, you still need to do BJJ, krav maga, boxing or muay thai or something. Becoming built like a linebacker, strong like a powerlifter, and tough like an MMA fighter buttresses wits and knowledge, it doesn't turn you into a manslut alfalfa bro.

[deleted] 10y ago

I fucking love you. You truly feel for the disadvantaged in this fucked up society.

I always find it strange when despite the info available here, the fucking moronic masses readily take the white knight position. Despite knowing what cunts women in this system become "you must learn to love em". Get the fuck out.

Fuck yes we're bitter and for good fucking reason.

IllimitableMan 10y ago

You truly feel for the disadvantaged in this fucked up society.

I do. I've seen a lot of fucked up shit and had a lot of time to meditate on it. Shit's pretty deplorable.

I fucking love you.

Right back at ya man.

moderatorsAREshit 10y ago

It's like they see something fail, then think, "oh, there's no way that would fail again. He must have done something wrong."

Better white knight even better than the last guy.

The problem is, that they are using the rational part of their brains, when they should be being results oriented/outcome dependent. You can't listen to a women without ignoring what she's saying part of the time.

robotghow 10y ago

Yes, there's a good reason to be bitter. There's also a better reason not to be: It gets you nowhere. Part of being a man is being pragmatic. Are you angry at the weather for raining? Are you angry at a stray dog for barking? No, you accept these things at they are, and society is yet another huge force that for the most part is out of your control. So will you be forever bitter towards it? It would be much better for you to accept that it will sometimes rain. Just buy an umbrella, and make sure your dog doesn't bark.

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robotghow 10y ago

You can't "avoid" being bitter, but you can understand where the bitterness is coming from, and work on yourself to resolve those issues. It's all a matter of ego, of wants and desires, and most notably, of false expectations from reality.

rpscrote 10y ago

and the flipside is, objectively assessing the potential outcomes, many men rightly choose to opt out. This too is pragmatic.

robotghow 10y ago

There is nothing wrong with opting out, but holding resentment will eat at your very core. You have to interact with women: Some of them work with you, some of them are married to your friends, some of them are police officers, judges, bank-tellers, etc. Bitterness will cloud your judgement and lead you to non-optimal choices.

If you want to opt-out of marriage, or relationships at all, that's fine. I'm all for MGTOW (as my username implies), but be happy about your choice, and don't resent women for trying for as much as they can get. In that fight you are vastly outnumbered.

Listen_up_buddy 10y ago

I stood up and clapped. Great post man, I think you should make this it's own topic.

IllimitableMan 10y ago

Done: /r/TheRedPill/comments/2oefvo/im_sick_and_fucking_tired_of_men_who_enable_women/

Neo-ReactionaryHarry 10y ago

You put into words one of the absolute biggest problems that the manosphere/society faces and that is enabling of the female by everyone. I absolutely am sick of those gym rat guys saying "just lift and tinder" shit because at the end of the day some men are going to still be fucking ugly and awkward. Of course when you spell this out to most gym rats they explain how it's more than that, how they're the ones in charge, similar to how prisoners can be "in charge" of a prison is how I look at it.

JackGetsIt 10y ago

absolute biggest problems that the manosphere/society faces and that is enabling of the female by everyone

I'd like to see a larger redpill post on this. It's a huge problem.

Jaegar 10y ago

or lunatics "in charge" of an asylum

moderatorsAREshit 10y ago

It sucks, because everyone deserves to be amazing looking. The sad truth, is that men and women alike, are not always dealt the same assets, and a goofy looking jacked guy, may just look worse than a goofy looking nerd to some of these girls.

Some guys look really creepy when they are all jacked, but I mean, we're not all meant to be 6'0, 200+ lbs.

boxofcookies101 10y ago

I have yet to find someone who looks creepy from lifting. Lifting helps trust. You may not be the rock. But ill be damned if having your shirt fit a bit tighter and your muscles a bit bigger makes you look worse.

moderatorsAREshit 10y ago

No, im saying the creepy person will still look creepy in some cases. Some people just need makeovers. You can't just workout and expect to be swimming in bitches. I just mean there's a lot more to it.

boxofcookies101 10y ago

If he looks "creepy" jacked he'll look "creepy" non jacked. Granted there is a lot more to it like the vibe your sending. I'm just saying that adding muscle rarely will ever hurt your perceived perception by others.

Party_Liquor 10y ago

Dude, thank you. It's like we are sharing a brain here. I could not have said it better. Take some heart though, not all of us have dropped out and conceded the society to femcunts. Keep fighting the good fight brother!

monsieurhire2 10y ago

I agree with what you say, but why would the "gym rat cunts" want to change things if they are winning with their methods?

Also, I can tell you that lifting was one of the best things I've ever done for myself. I don't do it for the fucking women, I do it to be healthy and feel healthy, so I don't have to go to a doctor, and so I don't feel like crap all the time because my joints and bones are bearing a disproportionate load of my bodyweight, and because my circulatory system is so sluggish it can bearly pump enough blood to my brain.

Telling people to lift is solid advice. Perhaps THE most solid advice on here. Why? Because you can quantify weight-lifting. You can measure your progress. Do nothing and you get flabby. Work steadily and you get stronger.

As for Tinder . . . well, I say, having never used it, that based on my OKStupid experience, it's probably an improvement, because it sounds like the odds of a physical encounter are greatly increased with minimal effort. All the high-handed cuntiness of a woman expecting you to read her profile and write her a letter EXACTLY the way she wants are gone. And you know if the woman think you are cute or not, which is all that matters in dating, aside from money. If nobody swipes you, you know EXACTLY where you stand and you know you have to improve. With OKStupid, you could write hundreds of letters and never know what the woman thinks because the average hot girl is swamped with hundreds of letters a day.

Part of the reason women are cunts is because they have power: the power to determine who gets to pass on their genes. They choose who to spread their legs for. They choose which babies to keep, give up for adoption, or abort. They know this . . . on many levels. They all want the best sperm they can get. Nothing will change this, the same way nothing will change all the men wanting the hottest women, even though they may be completely undeserving. Doesn't it always crack you up when some pimply young wastrel whines about not being able to fuck the head cheerleader, while turning up his nose at the brace-face hippo?

Aerobus 10y ago

I can't award a delta, but I really hope one of the mods do. This post deserves it. Paging OP /u/bsutansalt .

scholarly_pimp 10y ago

I hope I pissed a few people off who read this, you gym rat cunts know who the fuck you are. A man with the body of a demigod and the mind of a piss ant is a caricature of masculinity, you cunts make me sick. If you lift, you better fucking read too (its the mental equivalent of lifting) and cut out the chest puffing "everything is a man's fault" bullshit.

I love this... my dad never fails to remind about one of the beginning scenes in Braveheart... William Wallace is feeling vengeful after his family has been slain and Argyle says, 'first learn to use this (pointing to his head), then I'll teach you to use this (holding the sword)'

We are mind and body creatures, we must train both, not neglect one for the other

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TheSKSpecial 10y ago

Thank you.

That rant was some shit I'd expect at MensRights, not TRP. Feel free to call the juice-brahs out for hamstering, but the "I can't win so I'm the real alfamail because I'm taking my ball and going home and by getting pussy you're doing what women want so u guys are the REAL betas" MGTOW hamster is running neck and neck with it.

I understand divorced men, older men, guys who have actually gotten laid more than once saying "fuck it" and going MGTOW, but half these fucks never even do that, they go straight from beta orbiter/omega to "real alfamale MGTOW". They quit the game before they even give themselves a chance at playing it, and then bitch about the guys who are winning at it. They hamster their failure into a "moral" victory; they're "alpha" for "not playing the game" when the reality is they just sucked at it, and it seems impossible to them that "PUA/juiceheads" can get laid like tile while doing what the fuck they want.

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gurglemel 10y ago

ugh, thanks for writing this.

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MrEiffel 10y ago

Brah, let's be honest, a lot of people here simply don't give a shit.

You talk about taking sides to combat the demise of Civilization. Why the fuck would I want to? I've got better shit to do then fighting against windmills.

If western civilization is going down, let it burn. I'll just move to Asia or Russia lol.

primordialbeast85 10y ago

Great stuff I man, I feel the same way, you said what I've been saying nice to have comrades in these turbulent waters.

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TheeRyanGrey 10y ago

I am one of those men who defend women and i will gladly say why:

We're not equals.

The government and the police treat them like children and so do I. Men were made stronger for a reason. We are made to protect them from the world snd themselves.

Women have always wanTed to be like their male counterparts but you can't blame them for that, because frankly, who wants to be second place. The blame is on those enabling it.

If a ten year old boy goes on a killing spree do you blame the litthe kid or do you figure out what kind of parents created such a monster.

It's the people profiting from this paradigm shift. Women, like, children are gullible and easily convinced by public sway.

I don't get upset with children and I don't get upset with women because I am equals with neither.

Now, does this mean women deserve a blame less, criticism free life? Fuck no. We're all human beings. But i dont hold them to men's standards.

oldredder 10y ago

If a ten year old boy goes on a killing spree do you blame the litthe kid or do you figure out what kind of parents created such a monster.

I blame the kid because how you raise a child doesn't make that happen.

The only 2 sources in fact that can be at fault are a) genetics, how that child was born and loved murder as a base instinct, torture & such, like Jeffrey Dahmer or, b) prozac / SSRI drugs over-prescribed & definitely at fault for rewiring the brain to seek murder/suicide like it was a mountain of delicious cocaine offering promises of eternal Tiger Blood & bi-Winning.

TheeRyanGrey 10y ago

You do realize that there is a direct correlation between serial killer and childhood abuse, yes?

oldredder 10y ago

Nope.

No such thing.

There's a direct correlation with children who enjoy killing animals instead. That's a proven fact.

Literally children who have never been abused in any way, shape or form will enjoy torturing and killing kittens and puppies.

ErrandAlchemist 10y ago

Well you know, we're so well conditioned to interpret rejecting behavior as a signal we're in the presence of a higher value person, so here's your points.

Seriously though, best read of the day.

IllimitableMan 10y ago

Good point, and we all know that as much as women hate to be rejected, they're very trigger happy on the rejection button themselves.

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thechaosz 10y ago

You win the Internet fine sir. I needed to hear this

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[deleted] 10y ago

You seem to be really angry that other people are getting laid... you mad or something?

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ThirdLegGuy 10y ago

This comment (hand in hand with original article) marks the greatest breaking point of the TRP evolution to date. Gentlemen, we begin our rise from the ashes and we're witnessing the first baby steps. Clumsy, the hardest ones, but the most exciting steps.

This moment will get into the books of history. 'Remember, remember, the 5th of December'. Let's celebrate it.

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JimiJons 10y ago

I'm not sure if any part of this is serious, but if it is, I don't think IllimitableMan is the one who needs to slow the fuck down.

fiat_lux_ 10y ago

Underneath that bluster is a solid point.

A lot of trp is encouraging men to climb to the top, but frankly, men who start climbing physically and socially are gonna be high on their success and lower on empathy. A lot of the rpers here even talk about this. They don't even blame celebs/elite who keep safe distance from mras, rpers, or other unpopular groups. They acknowledge themselves that all of this is to be kept to yourself, and that they should just focus on being selfish.

Movonnow 10y ago

What does that "to be on tren" means? I am not a native speaker, i dont understand

KyfhoMyoba 10y ago

Trenbolone is an anabolic steroid.

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As for women I cant change them so I just fuck em. Yea you mad.

Shit brah. I'm mad as fuk.

Mad n mirin.

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Rfvthn 10y ago

Other men will always hate the jacked juicer. It makes them feel inferior and inadequate. When you're at the top you'll always have the rest try to pull you down.

Swole acceptance is a pipe dream.

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[deleted] 10y ago

Its honestly not the jacked part, its the lack of vision.

Redpillc0re 10y ago

Either i don't understand to what you are responding to, or you 're exactly the type of guy he's talking about. Either way, i think its a more serious issue being discussed here.

fiat_lux_ 10y ago

His implied point is that when he's writing, he's often high (Tren preworkout high) on his superiority and his empathy levels are lower. He's not going to care about injustices, including ones against shafted men.

Ironically, I empathize with him here. It's actually for these reasons I avoid my more delicate social circles after a workout (physical high) or a night out (social high, possibly alcoholic buzz too). My attitude changes significantly, and it takes a minor effort to control.

His post is relevant, IMO. It's one of the reasons MRM isn't as cohesive as feminism. Don't expect alpha men to sacrifice their own time and rep to help the average man.

robocopsboner 10y ago

Don't expect alpha men to sacrifice their own time and rep to help the average man.

That childish "u mad brah" attitude is not alpha. It only plays into the mindset that now, after taking drugs, sacrificing his time in the gym, and following the strictest eating habits, can he have the privilege of female company.

fiat_lux_ 10y ago

GLO is using hyperbole and deliberately being provocative. That's his style.

I don't want to get into one of those arguments over what is or isn't alpha. I wasn't using the term seriously myself, but the closest definition may simply be a "top ranking" individual. When GLO is hopped on tren with a preworkout high, he probably does feel like he's superior to everyone else, at least physically, and that's what matters.

I'm sure others here have felt that "high". The feeling of invincibility. The sudden disconnect from low-confidence people who can't shut up with their negativity. "I have pulled myself up from WAY worse than what you've dealt with, and look at me NOW! Nothing is impossible!"

The attitude may also come from his work training others (iirc, he's a personal trainer or something). IME, when I'm in that position (mentoring or training others) and feeling high and trying to stay positive, I'm generally a lot less tolerant towards negativity. I'm aware this is a problem for many groups, which is why I consciously put a lid on it when I'm in that state.

The point is that it's not a matter of superficiality or lack of awareness. There could very well be injustice. It's not a just world. It's just a matter of lowered empathy. I'm not even "alpha" and I've felt it creep up on me and had to fight against it, and I've seen it from others as well.

Another point of consideration: As people move up the social hierarchy, they become more heavily invested in the existing system. When some rpers talk about overthrowing the existing system, I have a hard time siding with them. Why would I want to overthrow a system where I'm already doing so well in and have already invested in? Bandaids, sure. I also genuinely think, "It's a rough road for some people, as it was for me, but they'll emerge stronger for it."

Then there are others, invested in the system, who actively go around "kicking away the ladder". You know, the hypothetical guy who pretends to be bp, and will ridicule unsuccessful guys, and behind the scenes do whatever he can to make shit even harder for those beneath him. Let's not pretend all alpha individuals are benevolent.

the_doodabides 10y ago

Is TREN steroids ?

bsutansalt 10y ago

Yes

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seddition 10y ago

trenbolone enanthate or acetate. Yes. Very very anabolic. Will make you want to run through walls and fuck everything in sight. It also makes you big fast.

bsutansalt 10y ago

Yes

razometer 10y ago

Bro, I'm natty so far so can't comment on the Tren, but since ice gotten ripped, my empathy levels are going south reeeal fast. A superior's wife is interested? Done. A neighbours 18 year old babysitter? Done. The realization that girls are basically helpless in front of me only because of my physicality is fucking amazing! And it's not just girls. Men are the same way. I could spew the most ignorant and tasteless bullshit ever, but because I'm 6'3" 230 lbs of muscle with a few voice they eat it up like it was gospel.

TL;dr: fuck bitches, get money.

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This is the cold hard reality of it. Its beyond getting ripped, just being attractive will do it. Last winter I grew my hair out, and then cut it when it got warmer. Then women went from interested when i talked to them to straight up touchy feely and flirty.

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bsutansalt 10y ago

Play the cards you are dealt, instead of complaining that you didn't get the cards you wanted.

Fuck that. Cheat at the game and get better cards if you don't like what you were dealt ;)
Seriously though, increase your SMV to the best of your ability and go from there. Not everyone gets to be an astronaut, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't strive to reach your full potential.

Cyralea 10y ago

No one gets further in life than a Dark Triad individual. Whatever advantage you refuse to take is one that he will gladly use against you.

Of course, the DT might not be invited back to the next poker game.

razometer 10y ago

Amen. Besides, you never play your cards; you play the man opposite from you.

Luckyluke23 10y ago

epic rant is EPIC!

love your post man.

I would say there are some guy who are bitter. ( iused to be like that) but it is a VERY SMALL %

Entrefut 10y ago

Hey man, one field at a time. The philosophy of TRP is infecting the smarter men with the mentalities to change how things work. Personally I am going into a field that is already very male dominant, but I am going to be making sure it isn't dominated by some pussy shit men.

I picked my industry because in 10-15 years it's going to be the next silicon sized advance in technology. If I'm at the head of it, or anywhere near it's origins, I am not going to let it carve a future that caters to societies current bull shit. I'll be reping my cartoon women lab coat all day long, not because it's sexist and I'm a terrible person, but because I am not petty enough to be sexist and I will have gained enough respect to wear whatever the fuck I want.

The scientific community is beta right now, it isn't going to stay that way. There's a new wave of men and they are going to be instilling TRP theory into every field there is. Once that happens, people are going to have to decide which societal model they deem most effective, ours or the corrupt, two faced, feminist lies.

Edit: Also I really appreciate the time you put into your blog. I have always had extremely high goals for myself since I was a kid. Our society halted my creative freedoms as a boy and I turned to video games to keep some of those juices flowing. Your posts have completely 180'd my perspective on our world and given me reason to pursue the visions i've been having of how our world should be since I was a child.

IllimitableMan 10y ago

Hey man, one field at a time. The philosophy of TRP is infecting the smarter men with the mentalities to change how things work. Personally I am going into a field that is already very male dominant, but I am going to be making sure it isn't dominated by some pussy shit men.

The scientific community is beta right now, it isn't going to stay that way. There's a new wave of men and they are going to be instilling TRP theory into every field there is. Once that happens, people are going to have to decide which societal model they deem most effective, ours or the corrupt, two faced, feminist lies.

I hope this comes to fruition but I don't hold my breath. Everywhere I walk where I live I just see effeminate pussies, it's annoying that so many men are total manboobs.

Edit: Also I really appreciate the time you put into your blog. I have always had extremely high goals for myself since I was a kid. Our society halted my creative freedoms as a boy and I turned to video games to keep some of those juices flowing. Your posts have completely 180'd my perspective on our world and given me reason to pursue the visions i've been having of how our world should be since I was a child.

Wow. I'm humbled I could have such a profound effect on somebody. Best of luck to you on your journey.

semondemon24 10y ago

Everything you said really lines up well with some of the juice heads I grown to dislike in TRP. You are a wise man. I am here to improve myself and get rid of any bottle necks preventing me from getting what I want in life. My faith in TRP has been restored, thanks BRAH ;)

epixs 10y ago

Ergo, the guy went to his professors office and saw a line of girls who have always enjoyed this bias but are now angry it has been removed by random number grading. So, they are there complaining about overly harsh grades. Something that males have had to endure since birth.

As a modest lifter who keeps lifting to himself and doesn't go around talking about it, this post was spot on. Many of my bro's are like this and you just wonder wtf. Good laugh on the satire.

Modified_Hackware 10y ago

cut out the chest puffing "everything is a man's fault" bullshit.

I fall into this camp and stand by it.

Everything women are doing in society now, is because apathetic men sat about and nodded their heads blithely.

We can't have a "Women are the most responsible teenager in the house" and then blame them/assign full agency for wrecking house.

It's men who propose in marriage, men who pay for marriage (the event and during) men who haven't been strong with alimony reform, judicial reform, men who haven't swatted away the pay gap bullshit, men who haven't come down hard on these thinly veiled "All men are pedophiles" laws RE airlines and playgrounds. As commonly parroted, feminism, largely post third wave feminism is a societal shit test that men (not women) have failed and keep failing.

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And when we tried to pass Shared Parenting to just take baby steps to actually enact some fucking change it was men who voted against it and men who stopped other men from being and having fathers. Men not women.

IllimitableMan 10y ago

At least you have taken a side. We may not agree, but I respect the fact you have a solid stance on it. Even though it's not our fault, I believe men have to just "suck it up" or otherwise shit doesn't work (LTRs.) Life isn't fair and that's all bullshit, but whatever, it is what it is. If the method works then it works. What pisses me off most is the flexibility of "she's just as reasonable as you" and then the switch to "it's not her fault, you're a faggot that needs to lift more her daddy issues aren't the problem" whenever it fucking suits. Dissonance everywhere. Too much dissonance.

DexterousRichard 10y ago

When kids make a mess, it's their fault. They know better. But it's still the parents who have to pick shit up most of the time, when all is said and done. They ultimately bear responsibility for their house not being a pig-stye.

Same deal with women and men...

throwyourfaceawaybro 10y ago

At least you have taken a side. We may not agree, but I respect the fact you have a solid stance on it.

And this, right here, is why we need male-safe spaces. This is a textbook example of why your computer works, you have instant running water, you can call and have a meal delivered to your doorstep, and pay for it with money.

Man: "I'm not going to do things that way, but if it works for you then I'm happy for you."

Womyn: "WHAT? How dare you disagree with me! Does this mean you don't like me? Well FUCK YOU TOO then. You are a fucking loser and you always have been! Of course I am right. Everyone always agrees with me. You know what...I bet you get this from your Mother. She's just the kind of bitch that would say something like that. I'm sorry she ruined you."

Man: "Uhh..."

IllimitableMan 10y ago

Haha, brilliant, made me chuckle.

Modified_Hackware 10y ago

What pisses me off most is the flexibility of "she's just as reasonable as you" and then the switch to "it's not her fault, leave her alone you fucking bully!!!" whenever it fucking suits.

It pisses me off as well. But that argument only holds weight in society so long as:

Men are thirsty white knights.
We don't tell a bitch to fuck off when she tries that argument.

The most universally easy way to combat the first step is to get ripped. Getting ripped requires less abstracted intellectual theory for the hard of thinking and brings tangible health benefits at the same time. It's a no brainer out-the-box way to start cutting at the chains that bind.

The slack jawed "Brah" sub-culture can be annoying but it's just an dialect for a loosely associated gang of men in a not too dissimilar way the terms womyn, AFBB, feminazi, gets thrown around in here and serve their own purposes. Head over to misc on bodybuilding.com (sure you already have) and you'll see a facet of red pill. Fuck sloots get ripped, who cares if she comes during sex, blow jobs or gtfo. It's it's own form of outcome independence, mastery and gang-affiliated masculinity.

It is valid. Annoying? Can be for sure, but no more than the spergs in here tossing ALPHA BETA DARK TRIAD stuff about in here, and to be clear that's not a shot at you - your work on DT etc is nuanced and insightful.

a-orzie 10y ago

Brah trenned up culture is such a tiny minority its laughable he spent 3/4 of his rant on it.

hairaware 10y ago

The culture and talk of "lifters" is generally just guys having fun. Sure there are plenty of meat heads but the majority of guys I know who are dedicated lifters are well educated, driven, and successful men.

I think the "there must be something wrong with you" mentality comes from the fact that these guys generally work their butts off on the regular to achieve and accomplish things and so they hate complaining. You can change who you are to succeed in the world of women, men or whatever you want so while complaints may be legitimate they are still the problem and should be addressed.

You think back in the day the awkward, uneducated, poor, or weak men were getting laid? Change is needed though.

seddition 10y ago

Hardcore lifting gyms are one of the last truly male dominated spaces. I love the gym because I can spend time with other like minded guys and we can say whatever the fuck we want without repurcussions. It's a lot like old school barber shops. If for no other reason you should be in the weight pile to be around other men who actually have a pair and are willing to do hard work to be strong.

razometer 10y ago

Agreed. We were steering this ship since its voyage began. Sometimes we let the first mate touch the steering wheel, but we'd always stay behind and guide him. Well, a few generations ago, we went down to the cabin and never came back up. And now we're about to hit the biggest fucking iceberg in modern history and 95% of the fucking crew supports the first mate.

The sinking of any ship is ALWAYS the captain's fault. So this "societal collapse" is Men's fault. But, it's not too late to fix things. Last I checked, the ship was still afloat. All it needs is for the fucking captain to get out of his cabin and remind the crew why he's the captain and the first mate is not.

The answer is easy. Embrace your masculinity. The rest will follow.

And if anyone says that it's not that simple, then fuck'em. It is that simple. Swallowing the pill made you into a modern day superman. What makes you think that you've experienced all of it's effects? As far as I'm concerned, we've only began this "awakening". The key is to not be satisfied with anything. Do I look like a Greek God? Yes. Do I get any pussy I want? Yes. Am I satisfied? No, I don't know the meaning of the word. And neither should you. Always strive to be better than yesterday, and maybe one day the world you know will follow.

YouDislikeMyOpinion 10y ago

The sinking of any ship is ALWAYS the captain's fault. So this "societal collapse" is Men's fault.

Here's something to ponder: Maybe men of intellect and power individually came to the collective conclusion that men have been fighting a losing battle against women's nature for millennia. The opportunity cost became too high. The best option presented itself. Money, power, and personal gain became king amongst none other. And we now see the results.

What is a fact is that throughout the 20th century, men in a position of power who are able to affect the steering of the ship began to slowly back away from altering the costs and benefits associated with the cost benefit analysis that women use to make behavioral choices.

Post WWII, the world entered into an increased exponential integration stage. In the 1970-1990s, while news became more and more conglomerated, the laymen had no forum in which to deliberate together. Enter the Internet, the forum for the layman was created. PUA went mainstream in 05-06. Every girl knows about PUA now. RP went mainstream just recently. You could say that RP is a deeper PUA. PUA showed you what to do, RP shows you what exactly to do and why it works. Even I am reaching what seem to be hardcoded limits on human behavior when I explore them in women. With every personal failed attempt to disprove RP philosophies, I prove them even more by adding another RP data point. Men around the world have had about 8-9 years to collectively debate the merits of their philosophies of women. This is what we've accomplished. If RP is beyond a doubt the final wall to hit in terms of philosophies, then how long will it take for the collective to deliberate to the real truth of female behavior beyond a doubt? It's a learning process and we are all a part of it. We could be talking about a few years here.

My bets are hedged on biology. Should society as a whole be able to transcend biological nature for mental augmentation, then I will happily merge with that society. Biological limitations define a very solid constraint for human actions. Theoretically everyone can transcend their biological purpose. In reality Winston Churchill's words describe this limitation well "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter". Theoretically, every citizen in the UK could be a productive member of a democracy. Theoretically, every girl could transcend her biological nature. The best argument against that is a five minute observation of the whole of a girl's past romantic actions. Do I think that women have the mental capacity figure "it" out before they are 25? No.

Where do I stand? The entire real value of a woman for me is hedged on her being my equal. She must be as good as me. Because I feel that is right. I want no part in a real lifelong commitment without this and I have thrown out unicorn type girls who were 1 SMV point below and 1-2 Intelligence value points below, although at that point of consideration SMV wasn't of concern to me as long as she turned me on enough.

What do I see as the sexodus part 2? Men on a large scale opting out of the belief that mental ability supersedes biological imperative. Once that conclusion is apparent and accepted, women's limitation becomes definable. Whereas in the belief that mental ability supersedes biological imperative, any ideas seem rational, true love is possible and it is not based SMV, life drive, manliness, etc. What happens when women's limitation becomes definable? Calculated decisions can be made from that conclusion. Leading to Sexodus part 3, either women pick bring themselves up to an equal level, or men opt out of true lifelong commitment. I can't guess what part 4 will be, but I'm sure virtual reality and sex alternatives will be a big player for a large part of the population.

symko 10y ago

You're a weak captain. :) keel haul the first mate!

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razometer 10y ago

You can't control the weather, but you sure as hell can control your crew. Yes, ships go down despite the captains, but it remains the captain's fault. They know it.

wiseclockcounter 10y ago

slow clap /s

still completely unsubstantial. at least you can revisit your post and marvel at your inspirational writing ability.

feminism hasn't affected the change it has purely on moral fortitude. No, it's had the full support of the entire higher education industry, mass media, entertainment, government policy makers-- everything. And how did they do it? They disseminated fabricated statistics and indoctrinated an entire generation with either misandry or self-admonishment, respective to gender. They've slowly changed the fabric of how we communicate in the public sphere by changing and controlling language itself. It's the most sickening, deplorable, and hauntingly coordinated use of the victim card modern society has ever seen. They were able to achieve this by forming their attack in a way that uses the essence of human nature against itself. Men have been complacent in the feminism movement in part because they have an intrinsic desire to help and protect women, but also, very importantly, because feminism's greatest defense is its ability to demonize any and all dissent through shaming, ridicule, and conceit.

It is a very well designed power play. And to think that men can collectively just "be manly" to combat such a force is foolish and narcissistic and it simply won't fucking work.

If ever there was time to quote Robert Frost's Fire and Ice this was it.

Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I’ve tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice.

razometer 10y ago

It may be narcissistic, but it isn't foolish. Think about it. If you truly believe that Men's intrinsic nature facilitates the current state of affairs, then why are men as a group lacking the defining characteristics of our forefathers?

Since when do we let shame and ridicule affect us? This is the essence of the collective "shit test". All we had to do was to laugh, and keep progressing in whatever it is we were doing. But, boredom leads to drama, and so we decided to take some whining seriously.

Yes, neuro-linguistic programming has transformed society. However, we always have a choice on how we react to it. Remember Occam's Razor, the simplest solution is the best one. So when I say we should "man-up" I mean it. Think of all men and women as 2 individuals. If you had to give them advice, what would you tell the man?

The fact that feminism has the full support of the ruling class is well documented, and ultimately irrelevant. They managed to influence public opinion in a few generations, and are now pretty much at the height of their power. We are the vanguard of our own movement. So let's charge.

wiseclockcounter 10y ago

"facilitates" is a word that while technically accurate does not give weight to the fact that there was an intentional, manipulative attack on men. The credit goes to the spear, not the hole in the armor.

I will acknowledge that your approach will do some good, but your method is destruction ice. Wherein as many individual men "check out" of the game and decide the bullshit isn't worth it and women slowly isolate themselves etc, everything that sexodus part 2 says it will talk about. That is the slow and passive option, an option that's sometimes warranted in times like these where you're backed into a corner on all fronts. But even then, I suspect the blame will still be thrown on men.

Destruction fire, however, would require flawless manipulation on a vast scale. One would have to mold millions of people's fundamental beliefs on how the world works, just as feminism has, in order to affect any change. You would have to play on their level.

Think of all men and women as 2 individuals.

^ that's the problem with your thinking, they are not 2 individuals. They are billions of people. And with that many people comes new forms of interaction, new forms of power. It's more complex, and your tactics have to change to account for that.

svogliate 10y ago

Sophistication, not sophistry. An article full of sophistry would not be well received.

IllimitableMan 10y ago

Quite right. My err.

Diombel 10y ago

Great post. I wonder, have you read The fate of empires ? It describes what we currently experience as a cycle that repeats within every great empire (this time being the USA and it's cultural values upon the world). Basically the author argues, 38 years ago, that this is the inevitable state of humanity after every period of abundance. Would you agree? And if you do, and it is infact the "natural" flow of human civilization(to build from scratch, to lose it all and then to rebuild again) wouldn't it be better to simply let it crumble. Those men that are strong will survive and rebuild.

throwyourfaceawaybro 10y ago

I saved this to read later.

Something that gives me pause is the acknowledgement that the same doomsday prophecy happens in every generation from the beginning of recorded (western) history. Are we just doing what comes natural by ranting about society's decay? Or is this something entirely new (like 50-60 years til now)?

I struggle with it because I grew up listening to adult men from ages 30-65+ bitching about varying degrees of "woman are fucking crazy", "men don't know how to be men anymore", etc. But I can't imagine that things were really that "great" for a man in the 1940's or 1950's. Sure, they had a guaranteed lay at the house who provided value in the relationship by cooking, cleaning, and rearing children. But work back then was HARD and taxing as fuck. Men died due to the stresses and rigors of hard labor, prison camp style.

I wholeheartedly agree that society certainly IS fucked. However, I don't think we are the first to notice and have a suspicion that this awareness has existed for many generations here and in the old country alike. Maybe it's as simple as realizing that it's men like us that have the capacity for free thought (not that we are necessarily smarter, just less inclined to feel ashamed by thinking outside of what society tells us) and the hunger to strive for betterment that keeps the debate/philosophy alive.

IllimitableMan 10y ago

Yes I've read that book, as short as it was I found it to be a compelling read. I very much enjoyed it. Funny you mention this book, actually, as I had a thread the other day which mentioned its relevance should one look to do some "decline-based reading."

The thread in question: /r/TheRedPill/comments/2o78cl/society_has_turned_inward_we_live_in_a_middle/

that this is the inevitable state of humanity after every period of abundance. Would you agree?

I do agree with his analysis on the birth and death of civilization. It's a terrific little (60 page) book.

Those men that are strong will survive and rebuild.

That's true, but just because the cycle is natural, does that mean it is optimal? There are lot of wasted resources in destroying and reconstructing what was essentially already there. IMO, it's unnecessary heartache. We need to learn from our predecessors and stop fucking up in the exact same way. Hindsight is an incredible thing.

RP-on-AF1 10y ago

I try to imagine a hypothetical equivalent to TRP, where women learn that most of what they've been taught about men and how to treat them is wrong. And the women mostly just say "You gotta work out. Gotta get that body sexy." It would seem ridiculous.

52576078 10y ago

Well there's "The Rules" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rules

Whisper 10y ago

Men always want to go to bat for women, and that shit fucks me off. It must be genetic or some shit because I see men in TRP doing that shit too "don't be mad at tuh womenz brah, u just bitter OK? I get LOADSA PUSSY, you gotta lift and man up brah, stop being bitter brah" I get fucking tired of that retarded trite dumb testosterone monkeys spit. Fucking retards who lift a bit of metal and fuck a bit of pussy who are totally ignorant to what's going on, but think they're a boss because they can get laid and are constantly high on fucking TREN and a post workout buzz.

This is known as Argumentum ad AMOG.

"Do you have a problem? Well, sir, I do not have that problem, because I am awesome. Therefore, your REAL problem is that you are JUST NOT AWESOME ENOUGH. Now, shut up, or by continuing to complain, admit that you are not as awesome as me."

But society has a problem when you have to be awesome in order to avoid having a problem. If your "merely average" people live sucky lives, then your society is failing.

oldredder 10y ago

Exception: when this is the relative case, yet the absolute measure of ability keeps increasing, this is evolutionary progress. Note: not all evolution actually leads to improvement.

bobbatosakosanose 10y ago

hink that is why women like men in uniforms. It i

Men have no in group preference. We are evolved to compete with one another over women, while women are wired to act collectively in the presence of stranger men. It seems biology always wins in the end.

aww40 10y ago

I agree with everything you said. Now tell me how do you fix it? Not a general, "How does one fix the current mess?" but YOU, how do YOU fix it?

I'm not being accusatory and I'm not defending the other side when I ask this. There is a serious threat to simply being a man and this needs to be remedied. We come here and we bitch and moan about the current situation, but what are we actively doing to fix the situation. Isn't this our role as men, as leaders of our communities?

No, we instead opt out. It's easier and the chips are stacked against us. "Think as you want, but act like others." That gets spewed here time and time again. Work within the system, carve out something for yourself in this life. That would be my only criticism of what you wrote above; You're condemning the guys who haven't the patience or the time to take up a great crusade to address the problems that are being perpetuated by feminazi's towards men. Also, it's dangerous to speak out against the status quo, and in this game of power, (which is all life is) we'd be remiss if we didn't identify the inherent dangers of speaking out against feminism.

We've identified a problem at large, so the next rational step would be to fix said problem. Moving forward, I think we should start initiating more discussions geared towards fixing the great disparity between the rights of women and man because men are getting a raw deal.

I also ask YOU specifically in this question because I'm subbed to your blog, I enjoy what you write and I am very interested to hear your thoughts on the matter.

IllimitableMan 10y ago

but YOU, how do YOU fix it?

I would have to write an essay to answer that, if this question is tantamount to "how can we make it worth it to get men to reintegrate into society?"

A LOT would have to change. And at this stage, it's all intellectual masturbation. Dropping out is pragmatic, and I don't blame men for deciding "to fucking hell with it all." We're at the stage where we're all trying to carve out our own idea of happiness in effectively what is the carcass of a decaying civilization.

I'm subbed to your blog, I enjoy what you write and I am very interested to hear your thoughts on the matter.

Glad you enjoy it. I usually Reddit a rant every once in a while just to stir the pot and rustle some jimmies, but I tend not to post rants to the blog.

Other rants, if rant reading is your thing:

/r/TheRedPill/comments/2ik6et/there_is_a_new_masculinity_wherein_women_betas/cl2w0ao

/r/TheRedPill/comments/2gqt8l/what_ive_learned_from_the_women_in_my_family/cklqpii

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brotherjustincrowe 10y ago

Knew I couldn't be the only one who thought PUA culture was gay as fuck.

Bragging about your notch count online doesn't impress anonymous women. It impresses anonymous guys. Think about that.

aww40 10y ago

I would have to write an essay to answer that, if this question is tantamount to "how can we make it worth it to get men to reintegrate into society?"

Yeah in a sense with an emphasis on creating a safe space for men to come back into. Imagine a boxer thats been retired for 5 years and wants to come back into the game. You gotta give him a couple of easy fights before you throw him back into the mix proper. Thats what I view the current state of manhood in this country/west. Create male dominated spaces for men to learn/re-learn masculinity. I'm an idealist (perhaps a naive one) in terms of community and family and would like to see this transition.

Other rants, if rant reading is your thing:

lol I like a good rant every now and then. Good reads. Keep up the good work brother.

AriMerman 10y ago

It's very subtle fix. Firstly, the whole discussion is 'I am not my sister's keeper'....women being fucked up is not for men to fix. Their circus. Their problem. We disengage and let god sort them out. The whole issue I strongly contend with, the premise is feminist. Aka we are the cause of their problems and are obligated to furnish a solution. Hell no. No way. No where. No how. The point being argued is that men call it like they see it and enforce the high standards, judge womens bullshit as bullshit and stop pussy footing, and pandering enabling and being tender and gentle. An abusive woman is fair game to be abused. End of story. Match and meet intensity levels but don't escalate to physical violence. I watched my dad walk on eggshells around my mom, in sheer terror of her wild, untamed, abusive and unloving aspects. That she was loving and hard working doesn't justify the abuse. It doesn't make it better. The last gal that hit me I charged her successfully. The worst double standard when it comes to justice, is the one we refuse to enforce on women. The alpha is one who imposes his values on those in his sphere of influence. I like to do my absolute god damn best to enforce my highest values on everyone I know, in the most joyful way possible. But the second shit gets crazy I will call a woman out, nowadays before I call out a man. Because no one is doing it that way. Men get browbeaten and women get listened to. Women get an opportunity to be understood and positively resolve the issue. Men are punished for what they didn't know. Fuck all those attitudes. Fuck the stupid behaviors that are maladaptive and abusive regardless whether it is male or female. But especially woman lack being held accountable. So I do that because its the thing that's missing most

Overkillengine 10y ago

The whole issue I strongly contend with, the premise is feminist. Aka we are the cause of their problems and are obligated to furnish a solution.

B-but if they don't shove all agency onto men via abdication of responsibility, women might actually be expected to grow up and be decent human beings more often!

That's hard. Like Math.

Tqbfjotlds 10y ago

but what are we actively doing to fix the situation. Isn't this our role as men, as leaders of our communities?

This community - even by just talking about this stuff is doing a ton to fix the situation. Once there are enough men who read this and see the world for what it is, they will not allow women to get away with what they have done so far.

aww40 10y ago

I think in addition to what we discuss here, we should start trying to create male spaces in our communities. Not to talk about TRP, but just a place to be men in general. The effect I've seen male spaces have on men is astounding. Theres something powerful in the bonds between men and brotherhood.

Only problem is they're getting harder and harder to create.

VegasHostTre 10y ago

the problem is we can't fix it. the men at the top of the power chain don't want to see it fixed, because women are more profitable than men. so you can either go lift brah to try and atleast get some pleasure out of it or MGTOW in silent protest. of it.

Hatorader 10y ago

Off topic, are you in Vegas?

MagnanimousGenius 10y ago

Even if we observe that feminism is the spawn of economic cycles, I still highly doubt that during the 1920's (existence of Flapper Girls, Women's suffragettes) that men would have so easily rolled over and allowed women their victimhood like we do know.

Men outside the manosphere could collectively go lift tomorrow and it wouldn't change the legal system, it wouldn't get rid of feminism, it wouldn't fix the fucked up education system or the shit economy and it wouldn't give men game/social awareness. It wouldn't change a sweet damn thing for the overall condition of men as outlined in this fucking article.

Exactly. Feminists are obsessive, toxic cunts who rally together and stamp their feet until they get what they want: we end up with gender quota laws, biased rape laws, biased pay gap laws and the list goes on.

It's difficult educating other men to see through the toxic vitriol that feminism is, but a lot of the time when they do come around they'll still go "yeah but it doesn't affect me" as if there's nothing a bunch of whiny cunts could actually do to have more of a negative impact on men other than complaining about them.

Men should value solidarity more and push back.

brotherjustincrowe 10y ago

The trouble is the feminist/beta enabler voting bloc making already intrusive big government bigger and more intrusive. And too many goddamn lawyers.

JackGetsIt 10y ago

Men should value solidarity more and push back.

This is correct. It's a little like the bucket of crabs that pulls the one that attempts to climb out. I actually set in a U.S. women's history course that towards the end of the unit attempted to describe third wave feminism. My professor pretty accurately explained that men have not united the same way women did. Men have not used solidarity to accomplish their goals. individually men have a hard time reaching out for help because it's seen as weakness by men and women alike.

ErrandAlchemist 10y ago

No, but that's when there were public masses that enough leisure time to endorse the "it feels good" utilitarian thesis of relationship. It was also when the automobile broke down the architecture and geography of social control. Dude didn't have to work his way through the front porch, parlor, etc. with all the women of the house. He just picked her up . . .

JimiJons 10y ago

I prefer your non-rants, but this is still gold-worthy material.

TheOneTrueMagnet 10y ago

For some reason, there are a sub-section of men who want to go to bat for women

I would actually call it a vast majority of men. I actually feel that there is a genetic/instinctual component to it. Add onto that the enormous amount of social conditioning to defer to women, and it is to the point that a man who did not at least have the knee-jerk response of protecting women would be part of a tiny minority.

Baylien2 10y ago

Captain save a hoe takes on many forms

lordofthejelly 10y ago

I actually feel that there is a genetic/instinctual component to it.

That's true, and has a simple explanation in my view: for millions of years, tribes where men went to bat for women outdid tribes where men didn't...men going to bat for women = more women surviving and reproducing = that tribe able to kick it's neighbor's ass based on numbers.

rockumsockumrobots 10y ago

It's just as you said. I once heard it explained to me as follows and it has kept fairly consistent through my observations:

Men love everyone, nobody loves men. Women are children and all children just want safety, security and validation. "Did I do good Daddy? Do you love me Daddy? Can you buy that for me Daddy?"

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JackGetsIt 10y ago

Which is such a contrast with the past where women just couldn't get away with the shit they do now because men would call them out. I also think many men today have just tuned out. They work, come home watch sports/sitcoms, do more work on the weekend for their wives girlfriends then go back to work. Women spend all day engaging other women in discussions on relationships and what the newest approach to men is and men talk about sports at work and well work. Men are just not tuned into their own plight.

Luckyluke23 10y ago

yeah, but most of them are in relationships they don't want to be in

foldpak111 10y ago

I understand the biology behind it, but society conditions boys to take it to a cringe level. It's like I take a girl out and theres a secret white knight squad ready to attack from the shadows the moment she doesn't have a smile on her face.

symko 10y ago

Which is why I've changed my mind on bullying. In my later life, I am so grateful that I had a bully, er, bullies in school. It's hard to white knight when a black knight is on you like white on rice.

IllimitableMan 10y ago

and it is to the point that a man who did not at least have the knee-jerk response of protecting women would be part of a tiny minority.

I feel like such a snowflake right now. Haha, banter aside, I think you're right on the money with this:

I actually feel that there is a genetic/instinctual component to it. Add onto that the enormous amount of social conditioning to defer to women

The protector/provider instinct is being abused much to man's own undoing.

Entrefut 10y ago

The protector/provider instinct is being abused much to man's own undoing.

It's sad, but the only thing worth protecting at this point is ourselves.

symko 10y ago

I can live with this. I'll live knowing that I'm protecting me. Women have no fucking clue how to protect themselves and are overdrawing on the false rape card like there's no tomorrow. It's free fall for them! Next stop the GROUND.

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redzorp 10y ago

Haha. Awesome rant BRAH!

I concur on all points. But what can ya do?

Enjoy the Decline.

RPDBF 10y ago

Exactly, TRP is reactionary it wasn't created to change society it was created to teach men how to navigate it and fuck a lot of bitches

DarkCircle 10y ago

What bothers me is that those 'alphas' are really indirectly submitting to the nonsensical desires of these women. Dealing with shit tests at all, playing the bluffing game with her shitty behavior. Real alpha behavior would be if men collectively said 'we won't tolerate that shit.'

Hypothesis: I think that is why women like men in uniforms. It is men as a group deciding what happens and enforcing boundaries. It is masculinity actualized. You must respect it and it protects you.

I am under no illusions, redpill is an often amoral sexual strategy/philosophy but when people do all of this stuff to impress women (by pretending they aren't trying to impress her or don't care) then act like they are in charge and the boss, it makes me cringe.

IllimitableMan 10y ago

Hypothesis: I think that is why women like men in uniforms. It is men as a group deciding what happens and enforcing boundaries. It is masculinity actualized. You must respect it and it protects you.

I really like that idea, I think it would make a solid post all of its own.

slippyweasel 10y ago

Real alpha behavior would be if men collectively said 'we won't tolerate that shit.'

Isn't this what shit tests are? At least subconsciously, women are going to push harder and harder because they want the Man in the 'male' to come out. They will push harder and more frustrated until we finally say enough is enough, and mean it.

ShinyBrah 10y ago

Where are you meeting these guys that lift and stand up for women? Most guys I know that lift subscribe to the mentality of 'sloots gonna sloot' and hate feminism.

Doctor_Mayhem 10y ago

You, GayLubeOil, and Trudatness are my three favorite commenters on this. I think you just shot to number 1.

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Doctor_Mayhem 10y ago

You gotta promise me that you'll never shave your arms again, though. Man should be like bear.

evilassaultweapon 10y ago

So what you're basically describing are the members of the cock carousel who claim to be the epitome of masculinity. Couldn't agree more; if you criticize women for riding the CC, why the fuck would you want to be one of the horses?

ShinyBrah 10y ago

In all fairness, being a "horse" actually takes skill, unlike being the rider.

evilassaultweapon 10y ago

Funny how the exact opposite is true on the other end of the analogy. Interesting...

lordofthejelly 10y ago

Couldn't agree more; if you criticize women for riding the CC, why the fuck would you want to be one of the horses?

Uhhh...because it's better than any of the alternatives?

Celibacy
Spending a fuckton of money wifing up a certified pre-owned pussy

oldredder 10y ago

Nothing wrong with celibacy if it brings you peace of mind & stability.

The only thing that's wrong is if you're forced into it against your will.

Movonnow 10y ago

I agree with you BUT we NEED sex so celibacy : yes, but not for too long, otherwise it will be detrimental to us.

oldredder 10y ago

We need sex at some point earlier in life but later on it's not so important. Once you hit that stage of life sex is not as important.

BluepillProfessor 10y ago

How old would that be? I am almost 50 and sex is still the second most important thing in my life.

oldredder 10y ago

I'm 38 and sex hasn't been the most important thing in my life since I was 25.

I can't even imagine. Sex won't turn into income or strength, won't make me smarter or anything else; it's just entertainment.

evilassaultweapon 10y ago

You left out the alternative of being the non-celibate unicorn hunter. Yeah, it's hard and requires patience. No, you don't get laid as much, and you might never find one. I guess it all depends on what you want to see when you look in the mirror.

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Baylien2 10y ago

We all have needs I suppose

evilassaultweapon 10y ago

Doesn't mean you have to stick your dick in a mud puddle. Just sayin'.

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Redpillc0re 10y ago

Please, pick a fucking side

I 'm with you on that. The problem is that the "sides" are not clear. A society full of alphas is by definition impossible, a society of 100% AF/BB is disastrous (that's why i believe all of the surviving civilizations regulated AF/BB). Traditional societies (like fundamendalist islam) are considered backwards even by men. Are we at an impasse? It could well be so, and women are reaping huge material advantages out of it.

Men have always followed their leaders when they showed a good path. There is no such thing today.

I agree with you we need to stop mincing words about the horrible behaviors of women that we experience, in a civilized way (makes one sound more credible). It's a first step.

Jackssonss 10y ago

I agree with you. A society full of alphas is by definition impossible and not productive.

Men need to be relatively or situationally alpha, though. They cannot all be alpha among their male friends or colleagues, but they must be alpha in their interactions with women.

foldpak111 10y ago

A society full of alphas would be hilarious. It'd look a lot like my first day at MCRD

DrXaos 10y ago

First day?

I think it might look like Julius Caesar's fiercely loyal and experienced legions.

foldpak111 10y ago

Hahaha oh god. I can just picture it from years of playing fallout. The purge everyday and shit

soulmatter 10y ago

Probably because our leaders have no philosophical backbone at all. They want to be our "representatives", not our leaders. When was the last time you heard the US president said anything about his personal beliefs about life, the universe, existence or anything relevant about the long-term direction the country should be taking or his vision for the future?

TheEagleEyedTiger 10y ago

These rotten thieves we call politicians don't have any real views on anything. They don't care about the country or welfare of their people, they just want to be wealthy and part of the elite.

Entrefut 10y ago

Being a leader puts a target on your head, being a representative means you're just the "messenger."

We need some damn leaders, but our pussified society will never elect one.

VegasHostTre 10y ago

You haven't heard anything about it because Fox News would torch his ass if he did show any viewpoint whatsoever.

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Anderfail 10y ago

Seriously? Obama is a bitch and has always been a bitch. Fucking look at his body language, the guy is pure beta personified. He is every single thing that is wrong with modern liberal political leaders. Bill Clinton is the end of an era.

VegasHostTre 10y ago

You missed the original question, which was why doesn't the president show any philosophical viewpoint. You don't have to be alpha to have a point of view. If president obama came out tonight and said he believed in extraterrestrial life, Fox News would have two priests on to label obama an athiest god hating socialist. Because in the bible all life comes from god.

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Anderfail 10y ago

Bush and Clinton were pretty clear about their beliefs and no one gave a shit because they stood by them. Obama never has and never will because he has no idea how to act like a man.

ErrandAlchemist 10y ago

no no. He knows how to act like a man. I saw him do it once.

VegasHostTre 10y ago

Really because every major news station not named FOX has made it clear that he was dumb as a box of rocks. And Bill Clinton was on trial for impeachment.

Anderfail 10y ago

They still had conviction and stuck to their guns. That's all that matters. Are you really honestly going to pay attention to the media that been totally overrun with political correctness and feminist ideals?

iamaguythrowaway 10y ago

I am genuinely curious. Is sexodus happening only in US and Japan or men from other countries are also chiming in?

Ochreata 10y ago

Good question. Definitely happening in all Anglo countries.

Japan is an odd one because it's driven more by pop culture/media than by feminism. The Japanese Kamen Rider series is a good case in point, the early actors (70's on) were all men's men, today they are all prancing sissy boys that only become masculine after transforming. A recent one even had an effeminate tranny character.... There's obviously more to it but there seems to be an effort to demasuculinize males here too.

BluepillProfessor 10y ago

I pray this marks the beginning of the awakening. A MSM outlet publishes a piece that could have been written by Rollo and the comments are overwhelmingly in favor.

I agree it is extremely aggravating that women have managed to take control all while retaining victimhood but it is because of us men. WE let them do this. THEY used our nature to protect them and make them happy and turned something beautiful into an abomination.

Until men develop a 'class consciousness' (your Marxist terminology for the day) and become aware of their bondage, and then begin to act on that knowledge, they will continue to fall behind.

I see it every day walking down the hall. Boatloads of young, hot, tight girls and barely a man anywhere. Almost EVERY SINGLE MALE STUDENT I have had in the last 5 years + years has been a defeated beta.

In a class of 30-40 people there MAY be a single Alpha male who is not afraid to speak his mind, talks slowly and calmly, and has a fucking opinion. These dudes seriously are taught to ignore their own wants and desires. The rest of the class usually features about 20 or so females and 8-10 classical male manginas.

blackyisthedog 10y ago

Not when that idiotic CNN anchor called men attending RSD self improvement seminars "pathetic group of men" in the Julien interview. Those guys need to be purged.

RU_Crazy 10y ago

The problem is as a man you absolutely cannot voice your opinion on this in any social setting. If you do the women will instantly hate you and the men will try to distance themselves from you to shield themselves from the hate.

Just to give you an example from law school: constitutional law delves deep into many of the social and political issues. In my class the professor loved to make things into a lively debate and we would have lively debates for the most part. That is until we got to a subject that touched on women's rights (or minority rights). Once we got into those topics it would suddenly turn into feminist soap box hour with none of the men willing to offer a rebuttal. I would probably be the only one to say anything and even then I would have to be EXTREMELY careful with what I said. I would have to qualify my statements by saying "not that I necessarily agree with this" or "for the sake of arguing both sides" and then I would offer some of the following, with respect to abortion "can we at least accept that someone trying to protect unborn children is not per se unreasonable." Or when we talked about the hobby lobby incident "shouldn't the issue be framed as whether employers should be forced to pay for birth control and whether birth control should even be considered health care in the first place." Even then the rabid feminists would be chomping at the bit to attack my position. Their responses were always hilarious probably the best one was - "you're a man so you cannot intelligently speak on this topic." I replied "what would you think if I just told you you were a woman and weren't intelligent enough to talk, you would be outraged." Furthermore, I know as a matter of fact other people in the class shared my views and were unwilling to voice their opinions. On several occasions I was approached by other classmates who thanked me for at least putting forth the other side.

The only solution I see it is the relative anonymity of the internet which may allow the discussion to flourish. But the truth is that men are systematically prevented from developing these opinions. These days you are either in support of feminism or the viewed as the misogynistic version of the KKK. There is no middle ground. Make no mistake the fear of social ostracism plays a large role in all of this. My fear is that the ultimate result of the majority of men placating this new world order so to speak will inevitably lead to a "race to the bottom" as men step over each other in an attempt to be viewed as more and more progressive. What will the end result be? We are seeing it right before our eyes in my opinion: a mass of subservient yes men.

rpscrote 10y ago

When I had the rape discussion in crim law, I had the good fortune of having an in-your-face 100% no apologies former marine guy go apeshit on people. He literally would start yelling and raising his voice during his (albeit a bit emotional) legal argumentation. He straight up bullied the otherwise bold feminist parts into shutting up for fear of provoking him. It was ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS. All those strong womyn cowed by a man unhindered by their PC garbage

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Even on the internet these feminist men and women will do their best to silence you. I frequently argue against feminism and it's common for feminists to go through and report every single post I've ever made or to go nuclear ad hominem on me to try to get me to react so they can ban me. Or to attack me in the ways feminists do to try to devalue my statements. Funny that they can not do so with reason or logic.

And in RL I also argue against feminism. I have been told repeatedly how much I hate women, publicly shamed, etc. It's practice for passing massive shit tests as far as I'm concerned. I've had a woman publicly attack me in a tattoo parlor while I was with a plate, scream at me about how I hate all women, pass the shit test, and later have her give me her number.

Though in a class like you describe I think what you did was best. If we don't speak up though our voices will never be heard. And women, and men, respect those who speak their minds.

JohnDoe78 10y ago

When ever a person mentions their a feminist, laugh at them jokingly. You will never change someones position by arguing points but to make fun of that position is something that will make them question it. For all people are sheep and if the herd laughs at them they will change.

spaceballs-1 10y ago

Of course the most amusing thing about this is that Milo is a raging homosexual. The best coaches really must be in the stands.

garlicextract 10y ago

It gives him protection. "The author is just a bitter misogynist because no woman will give him the time of day!"

"Actually, he's gay..."

Gunnilingus 10y ago

This is a great article. I actually came to post it, only to see that it was already top of the sub. It's refreshing to see that some TRP ideas are managing to permeate into viral media, if not the mainstream media. I think the unspoken point of the article is that as modern feminism fights for "team woman" rather than equality, it can only lead men to "team man." It's a dangerous game feminists are playing, in that sense.

rptastic 10y ago

My favorite quote (from a commenter):

"25% of women in the United States are on antidepressants or other psychoactive drugs. This statistic is frightening because it means the other 75% is walking around untreated."

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RedBigMan 10y ago

That's a pretty awesome quote.

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brmlb 10y ago

Great article, and nails many points. After reading it, what is the compromise on this subreddit between 50% of the men who brag about spinning the plates, one night stands, and getting what they want out of multiple women partners, and the other 50% that worry about marriage, promiscuity, and the number of partners she's had in the past? Can you have it both ways?

blackyisthedog 10y ago

I see this as a defense against female manipulation. When you understand why a CC who once ignored you now wants to be with you, you will not be suckered in. But the choice is still yours. I feel like this sub gives men power they never thought they had. Now, some people enjoy spinning plates, passing through shit tests and some men may just want a family, in either case both men are out there armed to the teeth.

Luckyluke23 10y ago

reading the article and then i see this

you can pretty much entirely avoid one-on-one socialising with the opposite sex.

i'm 24, this is happning everywhere as it is! the club is now just high school friends ( thanks to facebook) and if you are not one of them, it's like an up hill battle. ( good job i got my war paint on)

, which I believe is probably a good thing, and there's been a big effort by the Women's Campaign in particular to try and combat lad culture on campus.

firstly... wtf is lad calture and how ia this a thing. if the feminazis didn't start a war against every man, then this would be a thing. same with " rape calture" i don't remember it being in the dictionary until them feminazis cried that it wasn't in there.

As the role of breadwinner has been taken away from them by women who earn more and do better in school, men are left to intuit what to do,

this is so true. I mean. everyone has now told the kids that they have no life and purpose. Back in the day, the men went out and work and the women was there to SUPORT the men. (it doesn't make there job any less inportant than the mans. ) because the man can't be at home looking after the kids AND be at work at the same tiem. it worked.

kkallstrom 10y ago

lad culture is a british thing. It's basically red pill mixed with stereotypical male pasttimes - eg what you care about in life is football, drinking and girls. going for as many girls as you can, "sexist" jokes, you name it

Cyralea 10y ago

I think the article is sadly a beacon of false hope. I sincerely doubt enough men will unplug to allow society to steer into anything but decline. You have far too many women and ardent low-testosterone men willing to wave the Progressivism flag. Even if 30-40% of men opt out, I don't know that it would be enough to enact change until real economic consequences were felt (something on the order of the crisis happening in Japan).

Definitely good to see a non-manosphere article talking about it though.

Tarnsman4Life 10y ago

I agree with you; Western Society is in a decline. The decline is, IMO unstoppable. The question becomes what next ? Alpha males will always be there; they will always succeed if the Feminist/Betas stay the fuck out of the way. So the question becomes, once the west is truly fucked and once it is finally able to rebuild after this fuckery, who is going to rebuild it? Will we man up as a society and put the blame square where it belongs, or will the Femi-Beta's be the Western-Worlds new founding "fathers" ?

harkrank 10y ago

A red pilled man is worth at least 5 blue pill men. They have no willpower or courage.

BlackDice7 10y ago

I just saw the article on breitbart was about to post it, beat me my 22 hours. Well done. I guess shit is worst than I thought. Fuck

[deleted] 10y ago

In college one of my english professors gave everyone a random number that was unknown to him that we would use when submitting papers.

One day I went to office hours and saw a line of girls from class there to complain about their scores.

I've been told to do more and more to keep a woman. But nobody's told me what they're doing to keep me.

I've never seen that written outside of the manosphere

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nrjk 10y ago

There's a scene in 'Louie' (early one, like 1st episode) where he's out on a date and sort of echoes this sentiment.

sway_usa 10y ago

And it's actually pretty telling, because after he gives her his spiel, she looks at him dumbfounded for a moment, then just gets up and leaves quickly. Her hamster got stuck in a wormhole.

nrjk 10y ago

Yeah, doesn't she run and get on a helicopter? That show is pretty subtle sometimes...

AFPJ 10y ago

gave everyone a random number that was unknown to him that we would use when submitting papers.

...This should be standardized, it's fucking brilliant.

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incraved 10y ago

I think that's how it works in many places

ThisIsMyFloor 10y ago

It is standard in Stockholms University at least. When writing the exam you get a number and the one grading the exams doesn't know which number belongs to which student and after the grading the exams are given to the one who takes care of the numbers.

rcglinsk 10y ago

It's how every final exam I took in law school worked. Each semester new exam ID number.

rpscrote 10y ago

yeah I think it might even be ABA standard. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same for other professional degrees as well

KarYotypeStereotype 10y ago

At Vanderbilt University in the philosophy department, we wrote with pseudonyms that changed each time. Same idea. I always used a female name. Can't say with any certainty, but I'm pretty sure it netted me a few points.

Shaft-of-Patriarchy 10y ago

Can confirm its also being used at my university for law degrees. No idea about others. United Kingdom, wont say which university because ive been doxxed on here before

TomHicks 10y ago

In college one of my english professors gave everyone a random number that was unknown to him that we would use when submitting papers. One day I went to office hours and saw a line of girls from class there to complain about their scores.

I don't understand.. ELI5 please?

[deleted] 10y ago

Girls can flirt with their professors to get better grades. However, once the papers are anonymous then the girls were angry that their entitlement tactics no longer worked

liverkiller 10y ago

If all students are given random numbers then the person who is doing the grading has no idea if they are boy or girl.

Studies have been done showing that girls receive on average higher grades simply because their is a "girl bias" in academics and boys receive lower grades because of a opposite bias. However if the person doing the grading has no idea if the student is male or female this bias is removed from the equation and the grading is done with a possible bias. A more even playing field.

Ergo, the guy went to his professors office and saw a line of girls who have always enjoyed this bias but are now angry it has been removed by random number grading. So, they are there complaining about overly harsh grades. Something that males have had to endure since birth.

Get it?

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RedBigMan 10y ago

I don't think there is a negative bias against males. They're graded based on the baseline. Females however likely do have a positive bias applied to them so when they should flunk (get a score of like 50%) the professor may find enough wiggle room to give her a 10% more to her mark thus making her not flunk.

However, we all know how well these women end up doing in the real workplace. Instead of say writing code for a new program which is what she went to school for they have her sitting in HR where they minimize the amount of damage she will do to the company because she really doesn't have any power over hiring and firing decisions.

TomHicks 10y ago

I understand the girl-bias bit, I'm just having trouble figuring out how the system works. If he assigns them random numbers, he must have it all written down somewhere right? Is it just to hide the name from his gaze when he grades the paper?

garlicextract 10y ago

Of course the numbers are associated with the names, that's how grades are ultimately entered in. But DURING the grading, he won't go, "Oh, 1183390532, that's Sally Smith!" It's only once all the grading is complete that the numbers are re-associated with the names.

liverkiller 10y ago

The Prof creates the test and assigns the numbers but his/her TA actually grades the test and does not have access to the list.

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rpscrote 10y ago

Essentially, yes. When I ran into the system there was a different number for each test, and only 2 tests total. No opportunity to accidentally learn the associations

RedBigMan 10y ago

Especially true if it's something like a university course where there are like 100-200 students in a lecture hall.

airforce_noob 10y ago

so was he trying to get some ass by having all the girls come up and say "I'll do anything for a grade professor"? cause that sounds like some fairytale shit

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[deleted] 10y ago

He wanted it to be fair for all students regardless of whether he knew who they were

airforce_noob 10y ago

ah ok I misunderstood

EricTheBlue87 10y ago

Not alone, I was confused too

mrp3anut 10y ago

The point was more that the girls didn't get the typical softer grading they were used to so they were all there to complain.

Smart system IMO but in modern academia it would probably get stopped due to "discrimination" despite the system being designed to prevent it.

sunwukong15 10y ago

Ironic... The system reveals that men are naturally better in one area, so they call it discrimination.

mrp3anut 10y ago

That is because any system that doesn't result in equality at the finish line is by default discriminatory.

It isn't surprising. Most people are stupid and weak and they want the same success as the smart and strong so they vote in ways to get it without having to earn it.

kingofpoplives 10y ago

The point was more that the girls didn't get the typical softer grading they were used to so they were all there to complain.

This is always true, whether their scores were inflated by knowing their real identity or not. Girls are the biggest grade grubbers and the first in line to kiss ass and get special treatment at "extra help" sessions. Funny how all those who always went to extra help seem to get a half letter grade bump at the end of the semester. For putting forth exceptional effort, or some shit...

Academia is basically competitive hoop jumping, which is something women are far better suited to than men.

ErrandAlchemist 10y ago

Research shows that boys tend to study for the test, so when we get an "A" is is for a sort of performance of the tasks required. Whereas girls tend to study more for understanding, while also being concerned with the aesthetics of the instructions, which isn't always reflected in the testing an measurement.

EDIT: What do you have to believe about yourself to act this way?

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ErrandAlchemist 10y ago

Oh. Ideology on ideology. Can't have a fucking discussion. The idea that males and females have different motivations, and strategies in school systems and in relationship to school success is not a radical notion. The explanation that girls are just "dumb" and only care about "soft grades" is one thesis. If you endorse that, fine, but if can't question it, or go beyond it, then you're an ideologue uninterested in inquiry. You're as insecure as you are afraid you are.

kingofpoplives 10y ago

The idea that girls care more about "understanding" and less about grades than boys is just laughable. Girls are obsessed with grades.

ErrandAlchemist 10y ago

It's a gendered simplification that I read. It's counter-intuitive to me, and I'm having trouble making it "fit" the other facts at hand whether we are talking about role-types, or genetics, or whatever.

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airforce_noob 10y ago

i think you misunderstood. or maybe I did. here's my interpretation - guys study more FOR THE TEST (maybe memorizing the exact questions seen on the review or exact questions given prior etc.) whereas girls study for UNDERSTANDING (learn the who/what/when/where/why of everything) and get a better grasp of the concept as a whole. "which isn't always reflected in the testing/measurement" aka some things that girls study for aren't on the test, but help for knowing the entire concept. I don't think he meant anything about grades, but I agree that girls usually care more about them

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kingofpoplives 10y ago

No, I understood that. I just don't believe it. Sounds like some feminist bullshit for rationalizing lower female test scores.

airforce_noob 10y ago

ah ok. yeah i didn't say i believed it i was just explaining it, lol

ErrandAlchemist 10y ago

Except "rationalizing" is exactly what you do when you commit to scientific analysis. You look at the phenomenon, you look at the concepts available to you to make sense of it, take a stand about what would have to be true for this to be true, and you test it to see if you're wrong.

Here we have evidence of different outcomes. How shall we make sense of those outcomes within the population, and between populations? When you compare male and female samples you get some differences. OK. So what is your explanation for the differences? So you need to assemble your bullshit for rationalizing the difference so that you can explain the difference. Then you test it so that you can understand it.

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UsernameIWontRegret 10y ago

I guess grades are just another form of validation that women need.

ErrandAlchemist 10y ago

I don't think validation means what you think it means. Everyone receives and needs validation of their sensed identity as a matter of the course of any given interaction. Even this one. The very fact that you posted some comment in an online forum was an act of seeking validation. And don't tell me that Karma isn't a form of validation, and that it means nothing to you. So, if you want to say something meaningful then you're going to have to use language and categories that can be differentiated.

airforce_noob 10y ago

well yeah but that applies to anyone who worked hard for the grade, not just girls. i would assume most guys are like me and don't enjoy begging for a couple extra pts like a faggot but girls probably don't care and maybe even pride themselves on it

AFPJ 10y ago

Sigh, your comment and username just ...just stop.

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TomHicks 10y ago

Fucking autoplaying videos, any way to stop them?

52576078 10y ago

I use a browser Add on called Noscript

garlicextract 10y ago

adblock (chrome) or adblock plus (firefox)

TomHicks 10y ago

Yeah I got that (chrome). Still plays anyway.

garlicextract 10y ago

actually you're right. it did for me too.

pl231 10y ago

sounds like an atlas shrugged of gender.

I fucking love it

bsutansalt 10y ago

It basically is. MGTOW are often referred to as "going Galt".

magus678 10y ago

Be careful, reddit hates anything Rand with a frothy burning passion

Cyralea 10y ago

You'll find that TRP operates on a very different level than the rest of reddit. For starters, we don't parrot others ideas just because it's the status quo.

You'd be surprised how well Rand's philosophies tie in with core TRP ideas.

jtcribbs 10y ago

Rand once convinced her husband that he should accept her cheating on him with Nathaniel Brandon because it agreed with her philosophy

Squabbles123 10y ago

Yup, I relate to this really hard. I've simply given up on the whole deal, why be bothered to do this and do that and try to basically be the "perfect alpha" girls want when I can just NOT and probably be happier for it.

sunwukong15 10y ago

I have been into red pill awhile now and I am really trying to find a middle ground.

I want to live a life that will make me happier, but women also bring me happiness. I am starting to get the idea that your fulfillment in life needs to come from yourself, and women can be a fun thing on the side.

It's hard for me to give up my Christian belief system and embrace hook up culture, so digesting this has been a struggle, although one I find to be very necessary.

zephyrprime 10y ago

Note that in Christianity the highest thing you can do as a man isn't to get married. The highest thing you can do is go into the desert and contemplate god for the rest of your life. I don't recall who wrote it but I remember I read a passage in the bible where the speaker was saying this but he also realized that most people wouldn't be able to do this so for them he recommended getting married and living an ordinary life. People back in the Bible's day totally understood red pill ideas. Shit like that was common knowledge back then. The only way a marriage can work though is if the man is dominant, the woman submissive, and both of them attend to each other's needs. If the man is only equal, he will soon become less than equal and then the woman will despise him and leave him.

rpdoomed 10y ago

I was in the same boat. My first step was looking at what made me happy and what did not. If it pleased me I did it, if it didn't I decided not to bother with it. Obviously things that are a necessity (working, exercise, family, etc...) had to be done regardless of what I thought, but as for everything recreational, I just did what I liked. Was I more selfish? Yes, and it was/is fucking awesome. I didn't realize that saying "fuck off" to the idea of having to put others before me would make life so pleasant.

I am not advocating becoming a self-absorbed, narcissistic asshole. I am advocating that you do what you like to do. If you like playing video games rather than dealing with hook ups, do it. If you like making friends, do it. If someone wants you to go to their shitty party, don't feel obligated to do it. Fuck, if you enjoy reading the the Bible instead of trying to get it on using Tinder, do that. There's a lot of info about TRP, and it's okay to be selfish.

Anecdote: When I first found TRP I said fuck all to women, even friends. I was bitter, annoyed, and angry at what I perceived to be their gender's fault. I was unhappy with myself so I cut from 230 to 180, played a lot of video games, smoked a bunch of weed, cut out the male friends I didn't actually like, and made a point to chill with my guys. I delved deep into things I liked doing regardless of others' thoughts, even those on these forums. Eventually I wanted sex, so I figured out how to get it. Once again, selfishness (within reason) is a great way to find out exactly what you want.

EDIT: With all the "do it" comments I feel like a nike commercial.

rpscrote 10y ago

It is not the answer after the struggle that will see you happy, rather that you have struggled and found an answer.

CornyHoosier 10y ago

I don't often like discussing my religious beliefs (as they have evolved quite a bit in my life). However, your statement mirrors mine quite a bit and having grown up in the Bible-belt, Christianity has always been a constant in my life.

However, after trying many different types of Christianity and much introspection ... I've decided that it's fair to call myself an atheist. I still consider myself a "follower of Christ" though, mainly because I believe he had some very radical and liberal thoughts (especially for his time). However, I no longer believe in him as a deity. Instead I have put my faith in the sciences. I've found that I still maintain a good moral balance as well as being able to support beliefs I find to have substance that I can see and calculate.

Same as you though, I despise the hookup culture ... and yet I find myself waist deep in it. At the end of the day, a bit of interaction and physical touch, no matter how shallow, has been better than being the nice guy and having none at all.

C'est la vie.

ProductivityMonster 10y ago

I've though about giving up too, but you need improve for your own sake, not for women's attention. You don't need to become some keyboard jockey's idea of "alpha", but you should form your own idea of what that means based on your values and some of the more rational stuff you read.

throwyourfaceawaybro 10y ago

Agreed! Lifting and fucking sluts is a lot of fun for some (maybe most?) guys. But I can find just as much satisfaction shooting my guns, hunting, fishing, advancing my career, drinking my face off, etc. and still get laid with relative frequency. Sure, as I sit here now typing this there may not be some chick I can call on for a BJ. But the more I think about that, the more I am OK with that because I'm having a good time as is and a woman has a tendency to smash that to bits in the right setting.

Maybe that all changes if you flip the script and dedicate yourself to having a harem of thirsty whores at your fingertips. The idea is to master these interactions so that it's impossible for them to blow your buzz, right? I don't know...I haven't been sufficiently motivated by my own thirst or unhappiness to try it.

harkrank 10y ago

Go ahead, try to go back to being blue pill. If you doubt you want to be alpha you don't have to. But I can almost guarantee that it won't be long before you get bored of laying on your loins and are back up in the saddle again!

tallwheel 10y ago

Giving up on women and checking out is not the same as going blue pill. being redpill =/= being alpha

the_meme-master 10y ago

Okay well you have fun being lonely because it's "not fair" while I continue getting laid by girls prettier than you can even imagine.

Seriously, this whole "giving up on women" is taking the easy way out - life is tough, get over it and man up.

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DarkTheory13 10y ago

Says the faggot who complains about being a virgin in most of his posts. God, I want to slap your mother in the face for not having that abortion. Then make her bend over and take it in the ass till seeing the error of her ways.

bobbatosakosanose 10y ago

Shaming feminist language. Its his time and he decided he has better uses for it than giving it to women. I don't see a problem. Good for you if you are getting it. Many guys would rather focus on their life goals. Women boast about not needing men all the time. When men do the same they are shamed. Double standards to me. Also women get laid all the time. It's no achievement for them. So I really don't see it as one either, when half the population can get laid anytime anywhere. I don't see women as a prize anymore. Sorry.

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while I continue getting laid by girls prettier than you can even imagine.

and why would he give a shit? and why do you give a shit? you think you are better than him? are you doing this for you or to make yourself believe you are better than others?

your entire post is complete garbage. he has chosen a different way than you and he isnt hamstering about it telling himself he is more alpha than you because X, he is going his way and thats ok.

AlphaAccountant 10y ago

RP is foremost about your own personal happiness and self improvement.

A RP life is where you are self-sufficient and happy to be so. Chicks are just there along the ride.

I'm happy because hot chicks wanna fuck me

Wrong

I'm happy and successful, thus chicks wanna fuck me

Ganjgirlsandsteelies 10y ago

I'm not sure if this applies to the above poster but the juice is not always with the squeeze. Some men are starting from such low smv that the amount of work it would take to bang even one pretty girl is just not in the cards for them at the moment. Nothing you or I can do about that.

Andress1 10y ago

If you think that shaming tactics like "man up" are gonna work you are wrong. It's just a matter of cost-efficiency.For a lot of guys it's not worth working their asses off for very little return.

sweetleef 10y ago

For a lot of guys it's not worth working their asses off for very little return.

And it really is a very small return, relative to the cost in money, time, effort, stress, and foregone opportunities. Most men do it out of biological urge, but apart from that, the whole charade is a huge, unpleasant waste of resources.

Squabbles123 10y ago

I can't be bothered to give a shit. You have fun fucking, enjoy it, don't get herpies or anything from your plate who's fucking other dudes besides you. I'm not lonely, I simply don't care anymore, I USED to be lonely.

gt35r 10y ago

I don't blame you man, I'm sure you'll catch flack for your mindset (as seen above) but I agree 100% with you. Just recently I've been talking to a few different girls and I have 0 energy or want to try and small talk or respond to their "hey" messages. Are they attractive, yes, so boring that I don't care, yes again. It's a vicious cycle but my hobbies have been keeping me busy.

Misteralcala 10y ago

That's some powerful shit right there. Every man can relate to this.

bobolino59 10y ago

Excellent article, thanks for sharing it with us. I'm very much one of these men that gave up on (western) women. I still chase, date, love and even plan to marry Asian women tough so this rotten ideology of RadFem hasn't reached every corner of this vast planet yet.

IridiumForte 10y ago

The clumsy approaches lines remind me of my friend V, who a few years back was charged with sexual assault for flirting w/ a girl he had been hanging out with regularly for a while/studying with and slapping her ass when they were in a jovial mood waiting for a train in downtown Toronto. She never said anything about it when it happened but in his words 'squealed' playfully, he thought he was making good progress flirting with this girl and showed up to Uni on Monday to have the cops there arresting him. His university career was thrown in the garbage in his fourth year. She had an online diary where she wrote about each day, on the day of them hanging out she admitted in her online diary that she was into it but 'jesus' wouldn't be into it, that she felt guilty that she was leading him on too much. (Religious chick)

He just last year had it expunged, police wouldn't budge for the longest time.

regal1989 10y ago

I have a coworker who is currently a convicted felon that did hard time in maximum security prison. He dropped serious RP knowledge that will stick with me until the end of time. Every man in prison is there because of a woman. Maybe they resorted to robbery to pay for nice things. They may of lusted for and raped a woman, or been falsely accused. They may of spiraled into a hardcore drug problem to get over a woman, or been ratted out by his old lady. The point is, the number one cause of temptation to commit a crime is at it's root a woman somewhere. It was perhaps the number one piece of knowledge that would convince me to MGTOW lifestyle. Very powerful perspective. I recommend trying to get to know at least one hardcore felon, as many of them have learned the laws of power the hard way.

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Year_Of_The_Horse_ 10y ago

Even the first few pages of the Bible try to inform you that woman is the downfall of man. I saw in the recent movie "Noah" they edited this out of the depiction of the creation story. How far we have fallen, that this knowledge that was easily apparent to our primitive ancestors is so contentious today.

Algermas 10y ago

Why do you think there is so much crime in the black community? Sure it's gang culture and what have you but WHY are these boys seeking out these gangs? Because they lack a strong male role model.

When was the last time you heard a white athlete say he worked so hard so his momma wouldn't have to work anymore? Never. Black athletes? All the time.

Watch any serial killer documentary and it's like filling in a bingo square:

Domineering/prostitute/addict/single mother

The one and only exception I've ever seen were guys who had serious mental illnesses ( ie paranoid schizophrenia )

Our prisons are filled with the progeny of single mothers, that is their legacy upon our society.

regal1989 10y ago

Yes, but in a fair and just society, the mentally ill should be treated before they get to the point where they commit a crime, or at the very least held in facility designed to handle and help those who are in those circumstances that are outside their control.

bsutansalt 10y ago

They say behind great men are great women, so it makes some sense if the opposite holds true.

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That's redundant. Great does not mean good or virtuous, it just means big and powerful. There are great criminals and murderers out there.

ThorLives 10y ago

While I felt the article was overly negative, it really reminded me of this:

Herbivore men (草食(系)男子 Sōshoku(-kei) danshi?) or grasseaters are a social phenomenon in Japan of men who shun marriage or gaining a girlfriend.[1] They are characteristically described as frugal, and interested in personal grooming.[2] Under this categorisation scheme, men and women are either herbivore type (草食系 sōshoku-kei?) or carnivore type (肉食系 nikushoku-kei?). As of September 2010, 36% of Japanese men between the ages of 16 and 19 perceived themselves in this way.[3] Additionally, two surveys of single men in their 20s and 30s found that 61% and 70%, respectively, considered themselves grass-eating men.[4] This phenomenon is viewed by the Japanese government as a leading cause in the nation's declining birth rate, prompting the government to provide incentives for couples that have children, including payouts and free health care.[5]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbivore_men

bsutansalt 10y ago

Herbivore men in Japan and MGTOW in the US, UK, etc are exactly the same thing, if for different reasons. The net effect on society and culture are going to be identical though.

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Year_Of_The_Horse_ 10y ago

Dude. Men argue because they want to turn the other person to his point of view. Women argue because they want to punish whoever is disagreeing with them.

Snivellious 10y ago

It took me years to understand passive aggressive behavior. "Not telling them why you're mad? Then nothing will change." I didn't understand until I realized that the point wasn't to change things, it was to hurt someone. Disturbed the hell out of me when I first realized, actually.

cocaine_face 10y ago

Yeah, I thought all the talking points were real.

I'd have a girl naked in bed, and I'd be consistently asking her permission to go further, which predictably never worked. Girls absolutely confused me.

Then after a girl destroyed me, I got into PUA, and suddenly everything started to make sense.

TakeYourSoma1 10y ago

It's almost awful in a sense. I've been incorporating TRP more in my daily life and it's interesting. Women do seem more receptive to me. Men seem to respect me more. It's a bit uncomfortable because I'm so used to being the milquetoast, passive, "nice guy." Not because I thought that was the way into a girl's pants but because I just naturally am like that.

To realize that the world is not as receptive to "niceness" as it is to boldness and some self-centered thinking is a rude wake-up call.

Gnometard 10y ago

I've noticed this in my own life over the last year. The feminists I know have gone from being friends to hating me and slandering me publicly, while professionally, socially, and romantically EVERYTHING is going better.

cocaine_face 10y ago

Yeah, the appearance of niceness is great.

Publicly be kind and friendly. Secretly be willing to backstab and always look out for your best interests.

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rockumsockumrobots 10y ago

It took me a while to figure this out too. Feminism is just the unbridled, unchecked machinations of the female mind, when given a speaking platform and power.

Just like social justice and PC/Critical Theory, feminism is a parasitic ideology that uses manipulation and pandering to emotions as the means to it's end. It is the embodiment of the feminine mind and is naturally self destructive and non-progressive; which is ironic.

Marthman 10y ago

I think Henry Makow said it well when he compared feminism to communism and even stated that feminism was a surviving, PC offshoot of communistic thought.

But in the end, "equality" (in either ideology's case) leads to the corruption and subjugation of the masses to the benefit of a small group of people.

Feminism is doing what communism couldn't: destroying the metaphorical mitochondria on which countries like the U.S. are founded- that is, feminism is destroying the nuclear family.

Do not misunderstand me, feminism and communism do not have minds of their own, they are pervasive memes. They are like genes. We speak of them as if they have agency ("the genes dictate this or that"), but really the human is the vessel with the illusion of complete autonomous control, and is in actuality being led slavishly by their genetic and memetic environment, like a bull pulled by his nose ring.

Memes, like genes, don't give a fuck about the vessel that houses them, because they cannot. As long as the genes propogate, the job is done. Similarly, memes are not agents with intent. Merely, they are only in existence to replicate as much as possible, sometimes to the detriment of their host (just like genes). For example, praying mantises kill the male by disembowelment after mating. The genes instruct this natural behavior.

Similarly, in humans with consciousness, memes drive the behavior of the individual; and oh how salient that previous example is in today's intellectual and memetic climate.

rockumsockumrobots 10y ago

Wow! I had never drawn the parallel between feminism and pure communism before. It makes a lot of sense though. It's like the frog and the scorpion, they do it because it is in their nature.

Marthman 10y ago

While I don't agree with everything he says, there were a lot of things in his book, "Cruel Hoax: Feminism and the New World Order," that made me think. The book is partly the reason I've started lurking and posting here. There are some minor differences between Makow's book and the general trend that TRP has been following, but fundamentally, they're very similar.

I'd highly recommend it. There are some things in his book that you should take with a grain of salt, and if you're an atheist like me, you may find yourself secularizing some of his theistic points, but he never really gets religious, more than he makes general, spiritual statements once in a while. I'm also not huge on conspiracy theory stuff, but his book makes a pretty solid case for the NWO. It's enjoyable reading, and I personally think it's a good companion to RPT(heory).

rockumsockumrobots 10y ago

I'll check it out. Thanks.

ROGacolyte 10y ago

Sure. But throughout history when male dominance went unchecked we had near endless wars, rape, and pillaging.

Women were property you could beat or sell.

Neither extreme is very fun for the other sex.

heist_of_saint_graft 10y ago

Correct, and its primary mechanism of attack -- social shaming -- is exactly what women use instead of their fists.

Andress1 10y ago

Sometimes the best way to play the game is not playing at all. Learning game and continually bettering yourself is a way of life and not for everyone. If they don't enjoy doing them and instead prefer to do other things that satisfy them more they are in their right to do so. In the end its our lives and we should do what makes us happy,which is the ultimate goal.Not picking women,neither bettering yourself.

bsutansalt 10y ago

Sometimes the best way to play the game is not playing at all.

You know a lot of people say that, but I think if you have the foresight and knowledge of what you're up against you can do well. This is why I'm a huge advocate of /r/theredpill, it's about developing the tools, skills, and philosophy necessary to navigate the quagmire that modern relationships have become.

You're right though that it's not for everyone.

Dorrog 10y ago

It's the only option when the game is so rigged, but it's not ideal at all.

armenia4ever 10y ago

He mentions Jack Donovan. Damn.

"Jack Donovan, a writer based in Portland who has written several books on men and masculinity, each of which has become a cult hit, says the phenomenon is already endemic among the adult population."

johnnywahd 10y ago

Another good book in this vein is Fire in the Belly by Sam Keen. Reclaiming masculinity.

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Jack Donovan is awesome as fuck.

I was just sharing this article. http://www.jack-donovan.com/axis/2014/06/a-time-for-wolves/

Doctor_Mayhem 10y ago

Yeah, one thing I said was that I don't give a fuck if Jack Donovan is gay. He's ten times the man than most western "men".

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Even the Romans were cool with 'tops'.

52576078 10y ago

Hadrian, one of the greatest Roman emperors, had plenty of male consorts.

Locastor 10y ago

Yiannopoulos is good people. He is destroying the SJWs on Twitter over #GamerGate.

Lytalm 10y ago

The world is fucked up. I prefer to go MGTOW then to play this dirty system that the society has created which fucks up men in every possible way.

johnnywahd 10y ago

I've been MGTOW for a long while now. I always joke by saying if I had listened to Society I'd be working on my second divorce by now.

CornyHoosier 10y ago

among men of about 15 to 30 years old, ever-increasing numbers are checking out of society altogether, giving up on women, sex and relationships and retreating into pornography, sexual fetishes, chemical addictions, video games and, in some cases, boorish lad culture, all of which insulate them from a hostile, debilitating social environment created, some argue, by the modern feminist movement.

Cruelly derided as man-children and crybabies for objecting to absurdly unfair conditions in college, bars, clubs and beyond, men are damned if they do and damned if they don't: ridiculed as basement-dwellers for avoiding aggressive, demanding women with unrealistic expectations, or called rapists and misogynists merely for expressing sexual interest.

Holy shit. I'm 29 and this perfectly describes me and most of the men my age.

Evening joining the TRP. While the results in my eyes are quite apparent, suddenly a large influx of women start saying we here are "rapists and misogynists". Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

ProductivityMonster 10y ago

In the short term, I guess they'll just have to take some personal responsibility and increase their SMV to a point where they're not labeled "rapists and misogynists" when hitting on women. In the long term, society will get fed up of this shit and revert back to more traditionalist culture or it will die and be replaced by a more traditionalist society.

RU_Crazy 10y ago

Its going to be the latter. The west is breeding (or lack thereof) itself out of existence. For every white girl riding the CC until the age of 35 and barley squeezing out one baby before she goes barren you have the Latino family pumping out 5-6 kids. Living in a large city makes this phenomena all the more apparent.

Baylien2 10y ago

Don't be fooled...latin women in the urban US are CC riders all the same, they just don't use contraceptives. There will never be a return to the good ol days sorry to say. We are headed for a very dystopian future.

RU_Crazy 10y ago

I'm talking mostly about the people have immigrated here. You'd be surprised how much some of these recent immigrants have insulated themselves from the rest of the society.

johnnight 10y ago

Exactly. A subgroup will isolate itself from the Babilonian Whore society and use religion as a tool of group behavior control. Just look at orthodox Jews and compare them to secular or reformed Jews.

griff62 10y ago

My favorite quote:

"Why bother trying to work out what a woman wants, when you can play sports, masturbate or just play video games from the comfort of your bedroom?"

52576078 10y ago

This saddened me to read because the love of a good woman is a wondrous thing, and every man should experience it.

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bsutansalt 10y ago

The problem is when guys bring these foreign women to the US or Canada. It's not uncommon for them to become acclimated to the culture and start adopting the feminized/entitlement mentality so many western women are steeped in today.

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Doctor_Mayhem 10y ago

Jesus Christ, dude... Is nowhere safe from this shit? Very soon, we'll all have no choice but to fight because there will be NO ESCAPE from this Marxist bullshit.

Anderfail 10y ago

There are some American women who are still like this, but the only place you will find them is in the South or Texas. Are there a lot of ruined women here? Sure, but there are some that have totally rejected that lifestyle and were raised in families with one or multiple alpha males (with one being her biological father).

I know plenty of women who are solid and all of them got married in their early 20s at the absolute latest and are still married now more than 10 years later with good families.

Doctor_Mayhem 10y ago

Considering how much time I've spent in Florida, North Carolina, Texas, and Alabama, I can sure as fuck tell you I haven't found what you speak of. Maybe just didn't go rural enough...

Carkudo 10y ago

Ummm... dude. I'm Russian (which, I guess isn't Eastern Europe, but culturally close enough). Sure, your typical Russian woman will fucking break you if you call her a feminist. But her values, her mating strategies and her general behavior will be exactly the same as the feminists that TRP bashes. She will test you, she will look for better options, she will divorce you and will take your child.

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Carkudo 10y ago

Hey, same city!

But come on, do you seriously think Russian women are different in any significant way? While I don't believe that AWALT is strictly true, in a general sense it is true for Russian women.

Fetish_Goth 10y ago

Here in Texas, there are a lot of hispanic women that reject feminism. The problem is that almost all of them want marriage and kids. Beware that a celebration of the patriarchy often means a different set of shackles. Traditionalism is no more free than our sexually liberated society. In some ways, it is less so.

Anyhow, after making some life changes, I'm rather beginning to enjoy the way things are and don't necessarily want to turn back the clock.

bsutansalt 10y ago

♂ This is an EXTREMELY important issue that needs to be heeded. Traditionalism is just another side of feminism in that it shackles men with gender roles of provider and protector. In modern society that's a lot of responsibility for little benefit. Unless all of society embraces traditionalism then it's one HUGE liability.

RU_Crazy 10y ago

But there has to be more to life then pure hedonism.

alucard4571 10y ago

I've been looking or some grander meaning to life that our species is supposed to be undertaking. Near as I can figure life is a roller coaster. Throw your hands up, scream "weeeee!", and try not to think about how soon it'll all be over.

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We've essentially took out a loan out from traditionalism to fund our free lifestyle. Eventually it will have to be paid back.

rebuildingMyself 10y ago

We're already paying back that loan: horrendous family courts, drunk consensual sex = rape (to preserve the good girl status), and other such ways to insulate women from their bad choices

cagethepepper 10y ago

I know a German guy who's married to an Eastern European woman.

He's extremely miserable. If a western man doesn't provide on the same level as she expects you to, you're fucked.

zephyrprime 10y ago

It's not like he isn't providing less or even equal to an eastern european man. He just can't handle his woman because he is a typical weak Western man. And I'm a western man myself so I know.

cagethepepper 10y ago

Exactly. She dominates him.

Algermas 10y ago

For now. Unfortunately the only way to enjoy these women for any significant period of time is to join them is their backwoods Ukrainian village, bring them over to the US and you'll have a feminist on steroids in no time.

AWALT, "our" culture simply celebrates and reinforces natural female behavior while theirs attempts to suppress the more toxic elements of the feminine.

Take a nice Peruvian girl out of her conservative hometown and into "the West" and she'll be as happy as any butch feminist to break up her family for a hotshot attorney, the only thing that kept her in check was the stifling, conservative attitude of those around her.

A Muslim girl is only as devout as the Muslim men keeping her in check, I've fucked many, many headscarved orthodox girls, all it takes is for her to be away from male Muslim eyes.

Don't be fooled by third world unicorns.

sweetleef 10y ago

“Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.” -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865),

And most women will fail that test. Modern Western legal, academic, and media systems have bent over backwards to shift as much power as possible to women, and have reached the point over the past 30 years that it is rather unbalanced in favor of women.

What women, generally, do with that power is obvious to anyone looking.

bobbatosakosanose 10y ago

You need to look at the societal repercussions. Muslims still have honor killings and single mothers are pretty much left to their own devices. There are no captain save a ho's. I'm talking about Afghanistan etc. Not the more developed nations. Either way muslim societies still have better odds of a unicorn. You can't really screw a chick if her brothers and father chaperone her. Its very rare.

And remember. Women are followers. In societies where single mother's are shamed. Women avoid it. Women care a lot more about social status and their perception than a chance to be with a bad boy in those cultures.

Another thing: women have a hard time remarrying compared to men. Daughters are seen as a burden in those cultures and parents are eager to have their daughter married and move out.

grendalor 10y ago

Yes, you need to keep the cultural context for it to work -- you need to expat, in other words, and go native.

Women are fundamentally the same everywhere on the planet, underneath. The differences are the cultural constraints and context that put the kibosh on them acting on their impulses to the same degree as is permitted in the current West. The West itself was not always like this -- the culture changed, and the constraints on women were removed, and then they started to act on their impulses, and we know the rest of that story very well.

If you take a woman from one of these cultures and bring her to the US and live an American lifestyle, she will adapt to the female culture here, and she will act on her impulses just like women who are born here do -- in other words, feral hypergamy. AWALT. The only difference is context.

RU_Crazy 10y ago

Eddie Murphy talked about this decades ago. So much truth can be gleaned from stand up, its literally timeless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq8nUyO-0SY

JG60 10y ago

I think there's a middle ground somewhere. While it's true that women will become westernized, a large part of who you are as a person is set by social programming during formative years. Women from more conservative cultures aren't unicorns by any means but may less slutty options.

Algermas 10y ago

a large part of who you are as a person is set by social programming during formative years.

That's true...

.. for men.

Most women will flutter around like a leaf in a hurricane, she'll follow wherever the wind takes her.

Women from more conservative cultures aren't unicorns by any means but may less slutty options.

On the contrary. At least a Western girl got her slut on when she was 13-33, take a girl out of a conservative culture at 28 and she'll be on Chad Thundercock by 30 at the latest.

I maintain ( but feel free to play with fire ) that the only way to keep a girl from a conservative culture conservative is to keep her firmly in said culture. Feminism doesn't corrupt women, it allows them to fully be themselves, this is what a lot of men fail to understand.

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So instead of "Inside every Gook is an American waiting to get out", it should be "inside very female... "

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M0RKET 10y ago

As a Ukrainian living in (almost) a village I think pejorative manner is entirely justified.

johnnight 10y ago

Village is good.

Village means that the hypergamy ladder is short and the gossip network works at light-speed. Female hypergamy in the context of a village gives good results: the prettiest girl finds the highest status man quickly and she will settle down with him, because there is no better alternative. It's a situation where human mindless instincts provide the best result. Where 'following your heart' actually works.

The opposite of the village is a city, where there are many men with higher status to swing to and the mass of people provides anonymity. This is an environment where the female instinct goes havoc and turns them into sluts and disloyal branch-swinging bitches.

There was this one case, where a guy recognized at a party that his friend's fiancee was a former porn star. But that friend did not know that. Her former sexual behavior was on one hand public, but on the other obscured by her being an anonymous person in a public mass. Cases like this could not happen in a village, where you can not hide your public sexual behavior.

People were not made to live in cities. It's already are miracle that we are not killing each other at the current density of cities.

M0RKET 10y ago

Good points, I agree with most. But fidelity of a woman is not all there is to life. Life in a village is boring as fuck, people low quality, career prospects nonexistent. Wife being not a whore ain't worth it. Just live in a city and don't get married.

watersign 10y ago

feminism is such a joke. the more ridiculous the world becomes, the more inspired i get. im a millenial (mid 20s) and i see how many people have just checked out, i dont blame them though..but i will never give up. when the going gets tough, its time to FORGE AHEAD!

raceAround126 10y ago

I actually feel bad for one of our female managers here.

She's actually worth her salt academically and is a decent manager. She is also living the feminist dream. Career, child and a beta husband. Except beta husband is not beta bucks. He's smart enough, got the qualifications but she was always promoted be nursed through her career and effectively fast tracked. She does have the skill to match, she wasn't a typical ditzy woman being gender favoured and she's even hinted as such. Husband was actually better qualified. He studies more, he spends more on self certifications and training but he couldnt keep up with her crucially in terms of salary.

The result is when baby came. Baby was actually twins. The only way they could make it work is a complete gender reversal. He stays at home to look after the kids, she goes to work simply as her salary is higher.

The result is utterly devastating. She was confident and strong willed all the way to birth. Now she's back, she's depressed, short tempered and totally destracted by home mode. She can't handle not being the mum and her respect in her beta is just rock bottom. She's not alpha searching but her mind is going crazy trying to figure through it.

Feminists aren't only fucking up men, theyre destroying women too.

yummyluckycharms 10y ago

Give it time.

Multiple studies have shown that when there is a stay at home dad - divorce invariably follows. She's just looking for the next branch to swing to

Its too bad that the this guy didnt read TRP, as right now he's is doing everything that society is telling him to do, but its at his expense. He's going to wind up paying the bill, with nothing to gain for it

grendalor 10y ago

That's too bad.

Likely she will soon be looking for a new man. The gender reversal marriages almost never work. They can work in a very tiny percentage of cases where the woman is truly a natural domme (this is really less than 1% of all heterosexual women -- there are more lesbian women than there are truly domme heterosexual women). In pretty much every other case, it doesn't work, both because she feels displaced from her natural role (which makes her resent the man displacing her) and she feels resentful that she is under the breadwinner pressure (which also makes her resent the man who isn't capable of being that). Lots of resentment is being bred right now, and the fruit of that in many cases is divorce and looking for a different man.

I have known a couple of cases of this over the past 20 years in corporate America, exec/sub-exec levels. The ones that worked involved situations where the man was bringing something else to the table (truly great looking boy-toy type husband in one case, a relatively good artist on the other). If not, it doesn't work. Most women don't like financially supporting a grown ass man.

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Guys opting out of the game

I think this is the single biggest factor in men checking out, more than the economy or feminism or porn. They just don’t know how to do it. The social skills for interacting with the opposite sex in a productive manner are just not being taught to the new generation – it’s been replaced with a lot of “just be yourself” bullshit – and the structures to funnel good dating prospects between the sexes don’t exist – they’ve been replaced with turbo-charged meat markets where sex is on the table from the word go.

Young men today have a tactical problem and a moral problem when it comes to meeting girls. They just flat-out don’t know how to do it, and they don’t know if they should want to.

The skills weren’t being trained when I was young for sure, and we’re seeing the fruits of it. I grew up in the era where the active, forward nature of male sexuality itself was criminalized from youth onward. This caused a great period of questioning for many young men who were not born with the charm that makes it OK to be a sexual man. The sexual marketplace is in the thick of a divergence, with attractive naturals getting the lion’s share of women’s attention from a very young age, and the rest of them falling further and further behind as the old expectations of mutual commitment are torn apart and the scene goes fully feral.

Regarding dating structures, earlier generations and societies had governors in place to prevent the sort of “sexual hoarding” we have seen in the last 20 years. This took the form of strictly- or mildly-enforced assortive mating, the natural distinctions of class structure, the overwhelming expectation that people would marry off fairly early and thus had to prioritize attracting a selecting a decent long-term mate, and the teaching of basic skills like dancing and dressing yourself properly. Even school dances and socials where taking a date was expected provided some teaching structure, forcing people to go through the motions of finding (or arranging) somebody who would say yes.

I don’t mean to make it sound like everything was great in the past. There were plenty of problems and people left out. But it certainly seems there was more structure, and so everyone had a much clearer idea what the process was and what their options were.

It’s interesting to hear some people say that they’re seeing more and more guys checking out, while others say they are seeing more and more approach-machine wannabe PUAs trawling the nightclubs and bars. As I tried to point out in my Reciprocal Scarcity posts, economics and sociology are fields of paradox, where seemingly-contradictory things can coexist and be simultaneously true. We can be seeing an uptick in the prevalence of game among a thin but visible cohort, while at the same time seeing a large pocket of borderline men crossing the border and checking out of the game entirely.

Like MikeCF, I’m not criticizing or judging these guys. I’ve been them at times in my life. But it’s too bad, because a lot of them could have a happy life that includes the comforts of women, but they never got a chance when they most needed it.

Yes, men do leave the market

"I just get the feeling there aren't any men anymore. Not just in dance class, but where are all the men from all the various social activities? They make up half the population, but I can't find any single guys to date. They can't all be married, even my female friends are running into this mysterious disappearance of men. Do they like stop trying after a while and just stay home?"

And that's when I realized what she was asking.

"Do you mean, do men give up and don't bother trying to find women any more?" I clarified.

She said, "Yes. So do they?"

"Yes" I answered.

She was somewhat surprised at my response. She said, "so they just give up? They don't go out anymore? Don't they want to find somebody? Anybody?!"

"Yeah, more or less."

"That's crazy! How do they ever expect to find anybody?"

I replied, "Well...they don't."

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Knight_of_autumn 10y ago

Why is it that the first reaction women tend to have to a guy who isn't dating is "aren't you lonely?" Why would not being with a woman make me lonely? I am always out with my friends, indulging my hobbies, or working - where I am surrounded by my work mates. Heck, I haven't been alone in years!

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neveragoodtime 10y ago

forcing people to go through the motions of finding (or arranging) somebody who would say yes.

It didn't occur to me how important this mechanism may have been. I was always greatful I didn't have to go through the process of formally asking a girl to the school dance. But girls never had to ask to begin with, so think of the consequences for them. Instead of learning at a young age that only loser Larry was willing to even ask her, she goes with 10 girlfriends, all dolled up expecting to attract alpha Alex. Instead of staying home by herself to consider her unattractiveness, or going with Larry to learn he's not such a bad guy after all, she pins her hopes on winning the lottery and going home with Alex. She just closed two doors for the possibility of a third, which doesnt even materialize. She learns that it's not that she's unattractive, or has unreasonable expectations, but that she is unlucky. And she has 8 other girlfriends who didn't go home with Alex to commiserate with on how it's not them.

monsieurhire2 10y ago

"Do you mean, do men give up and don't bother trying to find women any more?" I clarified."

The male sex drive goes down from age 16. For women, it peaks at 35. This always struck me as tragic. If men don't find someone when they are young and relatively horny, they lose interest and invest more in non-sexual pursuits.

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For me its kind of the opposite. Hope this does not sound like a complaint. But wherever i am (school, events, parties), there are a majority of guys, who probably dont get laid. And perhaps that there are few guys, the famous 20% who get to hang out with the hot girls. I only see hot girls in public transportation and thats it.

Luckyluke23 10y ago

man... thinking about this now... in this context. ( I always thought it was groups of friends going out to the club and not talking to anyone else) it's really a mind blower but SO TRUE.

i mean, to find anyone to go out with on a regular basis, I had to search.

wakingslowdiver 10y ago

sad. third wave feminism is bad for woman too. 60 percent of college graduates are female where i live. that means 20 percent will never find a man. cause they sure as shit dont down date.

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Sucks to be them. Higher education is a turnoff to me. I'd rather date a 20 year old girl who's a cashier and can cook and clean and takes care of me.

sway_usa 10y ago

Exactly. My line of work is very upper middle class, and when girls who are my "peers" see me dating/fucking 20 year old baristas from starbucks, they are dumbfounded.

"You don't want a strong, independent, fierce career woman to challenge you and make you be a better person?"

Me: "You mean a bossy, domineering, annoying person? No. No I don't. I want a sweet girl who backs my mission."

Them: Cross-eyed with seething contempt

synadmin 10y ago

It would actually be 33 percent in your example.

100 total

60 female

40 male

40 females will pair with 40 males leaving 20 females without a pair.

20/60 = 33% of women graduates without a "suitable" man.

Obviously that would only apply if everyone stayed in their own little bubble where you live but I think everyone understands the point your making. With gender quotas favoring girls education over boys, the proportion you mentioned is becoming common across the country and there is bound to be women who will never find a man they can be happy with. As you said, they don't date down.

RedBigMan 10y ago

A man dont need to be educated to make a cash hand over fist... All he needs to do is go into a high paying in demand profession like mining, oil drilling, or whatever.

Also you forget that of those 40 males, some may opt not for a college graduate woman and instead pick a nice hot bimbo so the number might be 50% of college graduate women with no suitable man.

Meto1183 10y ago

Its like basic economics though, where every incomplete trade causes a loss to the overall "market."

To change your example once again:

100 Total

60 Female

40 Male

5 Males Drop out. Give up. Gone.

35 females pair with 35 males.

25 females are left without a pair, and 5 men are as well.

25/60=41% women have no suitable man.

and

5/40=12.5% men have no suitable woman.

So every guy that drops out, on average, hurts the population even more by lowering women's chance overall and individually dropping his chance to 0, statistically, lowering mens chances too.

AFPJ 10y ago

Than that 41% of women fuck / orbit 8 men that are already not single and you have more single men than women.

vrumpt 10y ago

Yup. Yup. Yup. And its all bullshit and yes it's draining on the body and mind to get rejected again and again just because we're lost in the ocean without knowing how to fish.

I struggle to swallow TRP and while I haven't given up at all too many nights it's just easier to stay in and jerk off and play PS4.

Doctor_Mayhem 10y ago

http://www.justfourguys.com/the-mgtow-mystique%E2%80%8F/

Just the article for you. As the previous posts mentioned, the odd part about it all is that by not playing the game, you're doing good.

Hell, let's face it, the cost of entry into MGTOW is nice and low, the payoff is guaranteed and immediate. For sheer bang for your buck, you just can't beat going Galt/Ghost/whatever.

It has been estimated by various Manosphere insiders that the MGTOW arm of the ‘sphere is not only the largest segment, but its fastest growing – this, despite the fact that it is also its least organized of the three as well. This comes as no shock to this writer, for it is easy to see how relatively easy and simple it is to drop out, whereas both the MRA and PUA routes require a heck of a lot more work, time and effort, with payoffs not at all being as readily assured, or even worth it in the end. To be sure, I support both these efforts and for many reasons; but in pure cost/benefit terms, and on the individual level, which is where the MGTOW route makes the most sense, it truly does deliver more bang for the proverbial buck than the other two do, all things considered.

vrumpt 10y ago

Thanks that was an interesting read. This doesn't solve the problem those and it doesn't fulfill my desires and needs, but it's a good look at the symptoms. What's scary is that if women don't adapt to this and evolve their own equivalent of checking out, then the human race becomes threatened.

porcia918 10y ago

But know that even with inaction you are contributing to society in a good way - by not helping a bozo reproduce herself.

Ibex3D 10y ago

I've actually been considering taking the Sexodus. It'd be best for society. I want to go back to school and pursue my dreams of becoming an astrophysicist. People are getting dumb and injustice is rampant(The Garner case was my tipping point). Maybe stepping out and fixing the world with just the occasional hook up would be best. I still get upset about this whole red pill thing but I'm not too angry anymore. I read Dr. King's "Letter From a Birmingham Jail" and it inspired me a bit. We lost out. This is not a time to be alive and just kick back. We can either be selfish and use it for our own pleasure or start working so hopefully our descendants will have better.

porcia918 10y ago

Double Bonus: Besides maintaining your freedom, you can also start a business that caters to women e.g. bridal and have them collectively fund your retirement.

ErrandAlchemist 10y ago

your emotions and dissatisfaction that could drive you to self improvement have been bought off.

Snivellious 10y ago

Supersatiation makes me more scared for the future of the US than essentially anything else. Everything is sweeter, sexier, and more fun than we understand, and it's fucking up a lot of basic desires.

vrumpt 10y ago

I know, and to a certain extent it does. More than once I've seen things that made myself feel down and I'd run off to the gym right then to bring my self esteem back up. I just struggle to accept things I can't change, like my height or the existence of other alphas in the same room as me.

ErrandAlchemist 10y ago

I've started to wonder if priests, but more monks, were the originals to opt out. I just read about this monk who is a firefighter, bee keeper, gardener, athlete.

GenericHusband 10y ago

Could you elaborate on that point, please? I feel like I'm on the cusp, but I'm just not fully understanding what you mean.

ErrandAlchemist 10y ago

Speaking about endless cycles that look like compulsive and addictive behaviors: the addiction is a solution which is now the problem. I turn to the addiction to sooth my anger, frustration, fear, loneliness, sadness. . . like a mafioso smuggler leaving a box of delicious rewards for the guards. I can deal with not being able to deal with that other stuff, as long as I have my box of delicious rewards. It is as if my solution is bribing me to keep them around.

11411181 10y ago

He's unhappy. Instead of using that unhappiness to drive himself to correct the root cause - he falls back into an easy pattern of doing something low-effort that is rewarding (masturbation and PS4 is fun) without actually correcting the root cause.

This is why people advocate severely reducing porn and gaming, because it is easy to trap yourself in a never-ending circle of using a quick fix to discourage yourself from fixing why you're unhappy in the first place.

Hatorader 10y ago

But if ps4 and jerking off make him happy then wouldn't chasing women be full-filling someone else's m.o making him not do what's really in him....? In other words if he keeps chasing women then he's being fake to himself right? Since it's making him unhappy.

11411181 10y ago

False premise.

Chasing women isn't making him unhappy, not being successful in doing so is. Not being successful is the root cause of dissatisfaction.

Chasing women also isn't done for someone else's benefit, it's for yours. You are courting women in an attempt to have sex, whether through a relationship or other more temporary means.

With all kinds of relationships being ultimately transactional in nature, success is dependent on whether you can offer the gatekeeper of sex (women) what they want in return for sex. Being able to recognize this for yourself is one of the key tenets of this subreddit. Moving yourself to action once you have the goal recognized is the next step: subreddits like /r/becomeaman are more exclusively dedicated to this end.

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iamaguythrowaway 10y ago

I think you will be deluding yourself if you think that you can get a virtuous girl from urban India. Even here, urban girls have been poisoned by feminism and girls here are even more entitled than ever because of hypergamy. Girls go for NRIs because of lifestyle upgradation and the big fat wallet of the NRI. Infact, a pattern has been noticed here that girls leave their boyfriends the moment they get a proposal of an arranged marriage to an NRI. Not to sound like a douce but maintaining your SMV should be of utmost importance to you before and after marriage. Indian guys have a habit of slacking off after marriage. Mind you not all girls are like that but given the freedom of the West, maintaining your SMV should be of utmost importance to you.

RU_Crazy 10y ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq8nUyO-0SY

Be warned.

scarletspider3 10y ago

their is some good news and bad news. Now that Im 31 I have the privilege of watching all the bitches that used to be the shit turn into shit. They all have kids and quickly lose all their pussy power. Their tits start sagging, they lose their shape, they lose that beautiful soft skin. But thats when u have ur status and alot of women are desperate.

Redpillonlyaccount 10y ago

School reunions are great for schadenfreude when you've kept your looks or improved them and all the formerly vain bitches are now fat and desperate.

grewapair 10y ago

At age 53, I look back at what I got out of my relationships vs what I had to put into them, and the answer is "not very much."

Honestly, the main reason I had a girlfriend was just so everyone didn't think I was a loser. I presented the facade of being happy and fulfilled, while the women I was dating basically expected me to do everything while they themselves did very little but lie there while I fucked them. And when I finally got smart and dumped them, they just found some other loser who gave them what they wanted in exchange for doing absolutely nothing.

Some were unwilling to lift a finger for me. Some were incapable. The ones who did stuff for me at first stopped soon after.

But I was expected to marry them, hand over half of my education-driven earnings to them, just so I could look a certain part. Most of my friends who got married ended up with monetary black holes: the women spent every cent and sometimes more, requiring the men to step on a treadmill from which they could never escape, while the wife led some sort of white picket fence fantasy life.

Who is at fault here? Not the women. If I had girls throwing their vaginas at me, I'd take every one of them. How can I blame them when a guy buys them endless drinks in a bar, only to see her walk away from that guy at the end of the night. The problem isn't the woman, it's the men.

Women slut shame each other. Men in our culture do nothing, requiring men to one up each other to get someone better than their looks would justify.

The solution to this problem is to Beta shame other men: laugh at the guy buying drinks at the bar for someone with whom he's not yet slept with, as a pathetic loser like the women do with the girl who sleeps around and our lives get 100% instantly better.

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ProductivityMonster 10y ago

I agree with you within reason. The problem is that someone's idea of beta or alpha may not quite be in line with your idea of the concepts. I agree there is a point to beta shaming, but it can only be done for blatantly obvious beta things (like your example of buying drinks for a girl you haven't slept with with the expectation she will sleep with you if you buy her drinks). Even in that example, there is room for misinterpretation because we have to infer something about the mindset of the person doing it.

EDIT: I also think that shaming certain people (the very plugged-in namely) will not necessarily be productive and may even lead to more beta behavior. At the end of the day, you have to want to change in order to change.

Puzomor 10y ago

Illimitable man has gotten gold for his post. Don't know why.

You got a few points. And no gold. What the hell is this world coming to?
Seems like feminists have much more impact than I ever expected.

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grewapair 10y ago

No worries, dude. They're just fake Internet points, and my post came late.

Puzomor 10y ago

Points mean higher chance your story will get read. People should read this, not for you, but for themselves. That's what TRP is about. Helping others find stories like yours. Would read again / 10 It's a really good post.

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bobbatosakosanose 10y ago

Most men are social you dummy. Service sector jobs now form the majority. Compared to the past , more men deal with customers and engage in marketing than ever before. You are just hot air. These men gave up on relationships. Like Eminem or 50 cent did. Rich and poor both are pretty well aware of unchained hypergamy, lack of loyalty and opportunism.

YaBoiTibzz 10y ago

"everyone's fleeing to higher education to stave off unemployment and poverty because there are no jobs."

Hits so close to home it hurts. My parents questioned my decision to go to grad school, asking why I couldn't just join the workforce like they did. I told them I would have if I could've made even twice the minimum wage, but I couldn't. I considered myself lucky to even break double digits right out of college without a STEM degree, all my friends in the same situation (who didn't do what I did, and go back to school) are working dead-end minimum-wage jobs in the service industry.

unpluggedoasis 10y ago

Work in construction. People avoid it like the plague because it sounds hard or has a stigma to it but even in the office settings of these companies there is huge demand. From the manufacturers all the way down to the contractors.

Business degree - $25/hour (which i personally think is great for a young guy like myself with no dependents) + full benefits and retirement plan starting right out of school and have gone up since. Normal hours and weekends off, plus its a male dominated arena so these insane office stories of sexual harassment etc. are pretty much non existent.

You work with tough people and it will be an adjustment for sure if you were a beta but you toughen up quick.

bsutansalt 10y ago

Unfortunately it's a false proposition, that higher education will insulate someone from unemployment just because they have a degree. IF you go to college, make sure it's in a field that has a decent ROI. The book Worthless is a great read and IMO is one everyone going to college should read before they declare a major.

pissoutofmyass 10y ago

The general rule of thumb is that one should only go to grad school (for a PhD) if the school agrees to cover tuition/room-and-board and then on top of that provide a stipend.

crazydave1979 10y ago

Articles like this make me glad I live in the Midwest where everything seems 20 years behind.. Even tho the liberal media bashes my area constantly while using words like "ancient" "redneck"..

But it's not that bad living in a conservative state.. Most of the guys I work with have successful LTR's where they run the household (hint: cohabitation not marriage)..There's no reason to check out, just realize that the game has changed and men need to adapt..

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And we'll discover that the real victims of modern feminism are, of course, women themselves, who have been left lonelier and less satisfied than they have ever been.

I've been saying this for years. Men who are smart and make self-serving decisions have never had it so good.

BrunoOh 10y ago

To paraphrase from a comment: fantastic article, I can't wait for part 2.

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kkallstrom 10y ago

pattern

Oh yes definitely. On British Airways, Qantas, Virgin Atlantic and a few other airlines, men are BANNED from sitting next to any children if they are not related to them. women can sit next to children they aren't related to, but men? No way, because men...they're all paedophiles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airline_sex_discrimination_policy_controversy

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I've seen comments like that on reddit/internet but not in real life.

I have. I'm in my 40s and started hooking up with a 20 year old. Every single one of my female "friends" asked me, "doesn't it bother you that she's young enough to be your daughter?" To which I reply, "no, it doesn't, because she's not my daughter."

cocaine_face 10y ago

I made a post the other day about how a RL friend of mine called me creepy for dating a 19 year old (I'm 29).

Nobody will call the cops on you, but there's definitely shaming for it in some circles.

saibot83 10y ago

I had a discussion about things like these with a female friend. She's past 30. I said: "If I have a choice in the matter, I'll only date/sleep with 19-20 year old girls all throughout my 30's" The look on her face was like I'd just finished raping her mother in front of her. It was hilarious.

Baylien2 10y ago

You're doing it right IMO

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Ralt 10y ago

If I was to guess it's because people are mad you haven't had the same experiences as they have.

I've seen plenty of shaming of men for even suggesting the idea of dating younger. You've really never heard someone say "Date a REAL woman" in regards to dating younger?

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Ralt 10y ago

Well, of course. The cute college girls are the ones benefiting from being the preferred group of females, while post or nearing post wall women are the ones who will shame men for dating younger females than them.

I agree with you, give no fucks and do what you do, but it does exist out there. Just something to be aware of, because after all, information is power.

GrotusMaximus 10y ago

You could care less if someone said it to you, but you care that you're being downvoted?

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That's because women don't have the guts to be honest without anonymity. They'll whisper, gossip and backstab so consistently that you might never see it. If you ever live with a group of girls you'll see it very, very quickly.

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grendalor 10y ago

Yes, but it's not the hot 22 year olds who are interested in significantly older men (say 10+ years) who are doing the shaming, it's the not hot 22 year olds (trying to cockblock) and the women and men who are age peers of the older man in the equation. It happens all the time, really, when people comment on an age gap relationship, especially from peer age women.

Of course, it's just grousing based on the fact that they know they can't compete, so they are trying to shame you into not going for someone they know they don't compete with well -- which means it's proper to ignore it. But that doesn't mean it doesn't happen or isn't common or is only present on the internet.

dicklord_airplane 10y ago

the real victims in all of this are children. the trajectory of western culture is intent on disincentivizing or outright destroying family units in order to give women freedom from any and all obligations to their family and society at large. feminist theory sells children's future wellbeing to buy more petty freedom for their mothers, and now all those bastards and directionless, unprincipled children without a clue of how the world actually works have grown up.

JackGetsIt 10y ago

It seems like the new family unit is the single mother who works 60 plus hours to pay for a shitty apartment. She uses government assistance to make ends meet. I see this all the time when I'm looking for women. So many single mothers; and their nearly always proud of it for some reason. "I'm fine on my own." Which they know is false; they'd love another paycheck and childcare work but won't admit to it. Where is the shame? It seems the response from women in general is that men have let this single women down which is total bullshit because there are plenty of good men that would take her as a wife; but they think that even with their children and declining looks they deserve some type of loaded alpha guy. It's like their mind is warped from having so much male attention when they were in their prime.

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Make no mistake the trajectory of western culture is to destroy itself. Women's lib, moral relativism, a rejection of masculinity, an embrace of mindless hedonism, cultural and ethinic masochism, these are all means to weaken our societies.

FortunateBum 10y ago

The older and more experienced I get, the more I think the following:

Women simply don't like men.

They barely want to have sex.

Lots of women, when they get older and have money, they decide to live all alone. Monk mode for women (which involves still being a part of society and having friends, but no sex or romance).

Statistics indicate that women who never marry are happier than even divorced women. Men who stay married are the happiest of men. I also observe these things first hand.

What it boils down to is this:

Women just don't like the company of men, yet men like the company of women. Companionship? Not something most women are truly interested in.

The happiest women I've known are ones who live all alone and never date or have sex. The happiest men I've met have an awesome wife. That's super rare, but it can happen.

RU_Crazy 10y ago

It boils all the way down to one of the basic tenants of this sub. A woman will never truly love you but she will love how you make her feel. Once you realize everything in a woman's life revolves around her feelings it all comes into focus.

crasher555 10y ago

As a dude that is being sexed 3 times a day by an older Mrs Robinson kinda woman, I respectively disagree.

grendalor 10y ago

Not really.

Women love sex -- the issue is that they love sex with only a small minority of men. With the rest of men they either tolerate sex in limited quantities and styles in the context of an exchange which is acceptable to them (this describes most married sex in the West), or they don't want sex with them at all. But when the man is in that small minority (10-20% depending on context), it's ON, and she WANTS sex a LOT, and LOVES it.

The conundrum women face is not that they don't like sex, it's that they don't like sex, in itself, other than with a small minority of men. Most women obviously can't lock down those men -- both because the men don't want to be locked down, and, even if they do, they are a very small number compared to the number of women who are interested in sexing them and locking them down. So for women in this position, the options are either to marry and have transactional sex with a man whom they would never sex "for fun" (not in that minority of men), or avoid relationships with men altogether, knowing they can't get one with a man in the minority of men she wants to have sex with, just for the sex itself, and not as a part of an exchange.

The issue, in other words, is the hypergamous nature of women's sexual attraction and arousal. It literally can't be satisfied by almost all women in terms of locking down the men that arouse them. So they either "settle" (most marriages are settling on the part of women) or they opt out. It isn't because they dislike the company of men, it's because they don't want to have sex, in and of itself (i.e., apart from an exchange) with any but a small minority of men -- and the realization that they can't lock one of these guys down (which hits most women eventually) leads them to either settle or be alone.

As between the settlers, who are having sex with men on a transactional basis in their marriages even though they really wouldn't otherwise have sex with these men (i.e., don't want to be cum in or on, clean themselves up immediately afterwards, don't want more than one or two positions, etc., very limited number of times per month, etc., all of which is normal in Western marriages now), and the ones who opt out, it isn't surprising that the ones who opt out are happier than the settlers. The settlers are sick of having sex with their husbands with whom they would be fine if they never had sex again.

bsutansalt 10y ago

Women love sex -- the issue is that they love sex with only a small minority of men. With the rest of men they either tolerate sex in limited quantities and styles in the context of an exchange which is acceptable to them

♂ I wish this reality was more widely understood. It's the underpinnings of the sexual marketplace, so it's absolutely critical you get a handle on your own SMV and realize how important it is men maximize their potential.

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grendalor 10y ago

There were other strategies -- having a lot of de facto celibate slaves is not great for social order. Better to send lots of young men off to battle so a lot of them die that way. Also conquer other tribes/cities/etc., take their women, and dole them out to the survivors among your men.

oldredder 10y ago

I'll disagree further:

women like orgasms but can give them to themselves without us men & feel no shame in doing so.

Women love manipulating. Much more than sex. They use emotional & social perception to manipulate other women. They use emotional & sexual rewards to manipulate men.

grendalor 10y ago

Yes, but they prefer a good rogering from an alpha male to the vibrator. The vibrator, however, is better than sex with a non-alpha. This doesn't mean women don't like sex or orgasms, it means that it very much depends on who the man is.

BrothaTom 10y ago

Agree, but allow me to further the discussion.

Supposedly let's only talk about men here, do we do the same and only "settle" for less when we can't get our Victoria Secret model? We can all personalize the experience based on ourselves, but what do you think the larger male population represents?

I want A LOT of sex if the girl is cool and pretty, and I will want nothing to do with her when she's being an annoying prick. Sometimes I do fuck her for charity. The meaning is twisted when spoken but it just means that I can have sex even when I don't feel like it. Its not hard nor difficult, just not ideal. What I am trying to understand here is whether the trp community agrees on this general mirror image, or the micro distinctions fundamentally separates the pursuit of happiness between men and women.

grendalor 10y ago

The difference relates to hypergamy.

Hypergamy is different from optimization, although it can appear at first blush to be the same. The difference arises from where the "floor" is. That is, it is very true that men and women both seek to optimize, and most men and women cannot secure their optimal, so in that sense they both typically "settle". That much is clear. The difference, though, is whether that person with whom they are settling is still above the attraction floor or not.

Hypergamy has a very high attraction floor -- typically expressed as greater than the SMV of the woman. So a "peer SMV" man for who she settles for marriage is actually a man below her attraction floor -- said differently, a man who does not arouse her, period. Of course the lower beneath the hypergamy floor the worse it is -- it goes from being indifferent to being downright disgusted by the prospect of sex with the man, and I would say that many women marry men about whom they are indifferent in terms of arousal, and that this is "okay" because it's the best they can get, the men who arouse them are out of their league (for marriage, won't commit to them), and the man is not the kind of man who disgusts her. So in the context of a marriage where she is getting a lot of her other list of "wants for marriage" (e.g., stability, financial security, emotional support, attention, children, father capabilities, etc.), she is willing to settle even though the guy is below her hypergamous attraction floor.

For the man who marries a woman who is his SMV peer, it's true that he's settling in the sense that he isn't marrying a model (which he would prefer), it's not true that she is below his attraction floor. The reason is that men are not hypergamous -- that is, their attraction floors are not terribly high, and lower than their own SMV (except for men who have very low SMVs and are therefore in a position where their own SMV peers among women are below their attraction floor -- a small number of men, and most never marry, although some do). So, he has to settle in terms of not getting Kate Upton, but he still gets a woman to whom he is attracted, and who makes him hard. A man generally will not marry a woman who fails the boner test. Women who want to marry but can't lock down a man who satisfied hypergamy (i.e., higher SMV than hers) will marry a man who doesn't pass the gina tingle test provided he isn't disgusting to her, and that he brings the rest of the package she wants. The key, as you can see, is that while both are settling, in the case of the man he's still turned on by his wife (even though she is sub-optimal), whereas the woman is not aroused by her husband. That's what the different kinds of settling look like -- and they're pretty different, even though they are both settling.

Note that this kind of analysis also applies to changes to relative SMV that take place during a marriage. So if the man loses SMV relative to the wife and/or the wife gains SMV relative to the husband, then the math of the "settling" on the part of the woman changes (maybe it moves from a marriage where she didn't feel like she was settling to one where she does feel that way, or maybe it moves from an acceptable settling to an unacceptable one), and this can wreak havoc because it represents "changing the deal" from when the couple decided to marry, in terms of what was actually being settled for, and the degree of settling that took place.

So, yes, men can do charity fucks. That isn't the point. The point is that men don't marry women who don't pass the boner test, while many women do marry men who do not arouse them (or at least who don't arouse them very much) because they want to be married, and he's the best option (i.e., the arousing men are not willing to marry them). It's pretty different, therefore, as between men and women even though both could be described as "settling".

WoahScienceCool 10y ago

"Statistics indicate that women who never marry are happier than even divorced women. "

Yeah... gonna need a source on this, buddy boy. Its WOMEN who always pressure the man to get married and satisfy their baby rabies, and they consistently seek to infiltrate every male dominated space for male attention and validation (as seen with issues such as Gamer Gate)... rarely ever do these occur the other way around. Men are the gatekeepers of commitment, and this terrifies women.

Women cannot stand be to be single. Ever heard of "monkey-branching"? Theres a reason why women do it- they cant fathom being single for longer than a week. I'm starting to think you do not know any women in real life, all the trends I've witnessed and aquaintances I've known is literally the exact opposite of everything you just said.

Baylien2 10y ago

Your screwdriver is useful to you no? Do you want it for companionship? Are you willing to give of yourself to it?

That's how women view us.

RU_Crazy 10y ago

Right, they don't want to be single because they want a provider (both material and emotional) while men don't want to be single because they want companionship (sexual).

So in that sense what you and OP said are not mutually exclusive. I construe what he said as basically that women do not actually love the man they are with they only love what he can provide them. Once a woman's needs are no longer provided for she falls out of "love" its depressingly simple.

WoahScienceCool 10y ago

I actually agree with you and the above reply as well.

But women who never marry and who remain single are happier than those married? No. For one, she has no source of constant validation, she has no go-to provider, she has not fulfilled her biological urge to have children and she will feel left out and alone as all her girlfriends prance around with their boyfriends/husbands/families during their free time and the holidays, amongst other (albeit, superficial) reasons.

Make no mistake, they need us (though not in the same way men tend to think), more so than we even need them.

RU_Crazy 10y ago

Oh, definitely. I don't think he was saying women don't want to get a man I think he was saying that women don't like men. I have to agree with that. Just look around at what the average American marriage becomes - woman constantly bitching about every damn little thing under the sun - eventually the man just gives in and tries to mitigate his losses by placating her, which as we know just makes the man look like less of a man to the woman creating a perpetual spiral of doom. It's depressingly pervasive - I look at 95% of married men I personally know I honestly cannot fathom how they make it through the week putting up with the shit they do. The ONLY examples I've come across where this isn't the dominant dynamic is in deeply religious and traditional marriages.

Judasace 10y ago

The problem is one of perspective. If you're in the 80% of guys that women rate as "below average" then you're right, they don't like you or want you and anything other than BB.

If you're in the 20% of guys as far as look go? Then they will love you, want you around, etc.

And if you're one of the rare natural alphas? Then women can't get enough of you. They will worship you, throw away resources for you, etc.

Rule 1: Be attractive Rule 2: Don't be unattractive

RU_Crazy 10y ago

Well said. Materialism and vanity rule the world.

johnnywahd 10y ago

"Just look around at what the average American marriage becomes - woman constantly bitching about every damn little thing under the sun"

How many of the typical American married males are unaware of shittests and the constant attempts to beta them? How many married men are unaware of their wives' past CC experiences, and how many the married men realize they are the clueless beta chump she settled for once her beauty started to fade and she went into panic mode? It seems that if the majority of men were aware of this fundamental dynamic of female behavior, a lot of marriages would be much better.

bobbatosakosanose 10y ago

I have been wondering about this too. Women have a very strong in group preference. Women don't have as much race issues as men too. I have never really heard of racial attacks on women by other women.

TekkomanKingz 10y ago

I have observed the same thing. Nature just doesn't make sense sometimes.

some12talk2 10y ago

Q. how is this different or extends 2013's Men On Strike?

TalkingMonkeys 10y ago

Helen opened the doors for the academic discussion. Now its time for men to uphold there end of the argument. I'll add that I was surprised that there was not a mention of Men on Strike.

bsutansalt 10y ago

Go into the comments and bring it up. I've been dropping links to TRP left and right and they've been surprisingly well received.

[deleted] 10y ago

This seems to be a big problem in the U.S and UK (from what the article says), but there are places with a surplus of men (technology hot spots / technopols) and women have a big selection.

In these areas there are many men who just can't find a girl, because they are all constantly taken. They check out too.

ErrandAlchemist 10y ago

I think this is one of the most important things we should be talking about. It's essentially a form of anarchism, or atheism, in the sense of totally rejecting the dominant ideology. I don't think everyone has to adopt that view, but I think we should understand what it means to truly be "outside of the system."

WeishaiChaae_zohbae9 10y ago

No.

Anarchists are, by definition, anti-hierarchical socialists and feminists.

TRP accepts society's hierarchies for what they are and encourages doing your best to rise above them.

[deleted] 10y ago

Anarchists are just anti-state.

There are plenty of patriarchal anarcho-capitalists.

WeishaiChaae_zohbae9 10y ago

Anarcho-Capitalist is just an 'edgy' word for Libertarian.

penhova 10y ago

It must be a rp man the one who wrote that article

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[deleted] 10y ago

The men giving up on women were already disqualified from the game to begin with. I've talked to some of these types. One of them was claiming to do good with women yet wanted "true love" and wanted to get back with a girl who dumped him YEARS ago. All the supposed experiences he had with women may have been a lie.

Point is guys like that are the types who can't find a girl to give them the time of day so they bow out. Monk mode lol

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Carkudo 10y ago

Sure, many an omega would check out of the competition. I sure have. But you yourself point out that omegas don't compete in the first place - they're disqualified. Someone who can't compete checking out wouldn't be in any way noticeable - certainly not to the point where people would be writing articles about it. I think there's definitely a significant portion of beta men checking out as well.

redzorp 10y ago

That hasn't been my experience, though I'm sure there are many such men as you describe.

I personally know at least a dozen successful men in my social circle (mid 30s to 50ish) who have simply dropped out of the woman game entirely. They don't identify as MGTOW and I doubt any of them have even heard of that label. Yet, if I was to describe them, that is exactly what they are.

Once in a blue moon some of them might go on a date or bang an escort. When we hang out at a sports bar or something, I see that most of these guys get female attention. At most the guys will flirt back but otherwise won't pursue much beyond the flirt.

For the most part, they spend their time and energies working on their careers, sailing boats, riding motorcycles, rock climbing, hunting, playing sports, watching sports...in short just enjoying life.

I think this is the new normal for at least 25% of guys between the ages of 35-50. For the next generation of guys who enter that age bracket, I think the percentage will be higher still.

Interestingly, I keep hearing from women in the same age bracket - "Where are all the guys hanging out? How come they don't attend MeetUp groups? Why can't I get a date anymore? Blah Blah..."

52576078 10y ago

It's much easier to ignore women once you turn 40 and the libido isn't what it used to be. Quite refreshing actually!

grendalor 10y ago

My experience is the same -- mid 40s here. Among the non-married men, many have opted out. Not all are stereotypical losers -- they just can't be arsed. Quite a few are divorced, and that plays a role as well, although many of these guys just can't be bothered chasing women even for the bang, never mind some kind of non-marriage relationship. Some do hookers, that's true, but that isn't too common among the guys I know who are single and in this age range. A lot of guys are just opting out.

The women are not happy about it, because they notice that the guys are opted out. These are mostly divorced women, of course, in this age range, many of whom have kids. They often seem surprised that men are not as interested in them as they would have thought, even for just a bang.

[deleted] 10y ago

The guy I'm talking about is in his early 20s. I could see many men 35-50 being fed up with dating, not out of the inability to get a date but simply just not having the desire for it.