Amy is black woman that has dated a number of men from varying backgrounds. She is discouraged to learn after completing a profile for online dating, that she is not given preferential treatment that white women receive on the platform. After discussing the issue, a consensus is quickly reached. She must lower her standards if she wants a man to be loyal and not leave his family. She realizes that black men, en masse, have rejected family life, duty and honor and are enjoying the decline.
A poster mentions that he's noticed recent pairings between Asian men and black women. He posits that these women are settling for provider relationships. The reasoning is clear, these men still hold family values, are highly aligned to societal values and therefore are often successful, loyal and unlikely to leave their families. They hold lower positions in the SMV, and are matching with other lower SMV races.
Amy believes she's entitled to
- Hypergamy : This is number one, because she's unwilling to settle for "fugly" men. It is highly unlikely that she means less attractive. What is likely a more accurate descriptor is that she's looking for masculine men.
- Monogamy (assumed)
- Resources in the form of a man who "isn't lazy"
- Security in the form of a man who "won't leave"
This is a somewhat complex interaction taking place that I'll unwind for you a bit.
- Women are generally unaware of hypergamy, they operate either totally unaware of their capability to destroy their own family, or at least believe a man they find willing to commit to them they will love forever. I cover this in my post Schrödinger's (n)AWALT which is pinned on my profile.
- Most men are unaware of how hypergamy functions.
- Men who are aware of how hypergamy functions, generally choose to interact with women in a vastly different way.
- It is often said to these points that a man "can choose to love, or understand women."
- Therefor we can conclude that women choose between naive men, who will love them in naive ways, or men who understand women, who love them in pragmatic ways.
So for Amy to pledge to any man that she is looking for a loyal man who can provide, what she's ultimately looking for is a naive man. We would call this man blue pill. Yet she wouldn't tolerate a man with such a disposition, and the truth is, he wouldn't, and doesn't tolerate her either. She is unwilling to engage blue pill men within their mental fantasy schema.
Many pragmatic men deduce that women must be colluding or purposely conditioning men to believe that they must operate in this mindset to exploit them en masse. But I don't find this conclusion at all believable, and address this again in Schrödinger's (n)AWALT. Most women, are not openly hypergamous, they are not self aware, they operate naively to their own capabilities. To expand this out would be to rewrite my post, so if you do not share this view with me, I recommend you read the post and then continue from here.
Amy on the other hand, is self aware, and very aware of her own capabilities. And she's not even cunning enough to conceal it. Women who have reached self awareness are not capable of loving a man in the way that a naive man or woman loves. And not only does she demand that she is entitled to that love, but that she won't accept it from the very men even capable of giving it to her.
Using the oft mentioned roller coaster analogy that women want a rollercoaster which spontaneously builds itself, without any such direction, to experience the thrills on, yet feel safe enough to ride it, Amy instead demands that the roller coaster actually be dangerous, yet safe, at the same time. She derides roller coasters for either being safe, or dangerous, then demands that the market allow the sale of both types, yet enforce safety on the dangerous ones, only to her benefit. It should let her experience the thrills, get the benefits, but then should she want or need safety that it is available at her disposal. You know, should her experiment fail.
And those failures would either be that Tyrone actually becomes Ted for a bit, hunkers down, opens up and tries to start a family with this woman, who would clearly set fire to her household the moment this man became anything manageable. In this case, she'd demand the state and gynocentricity hold him responsible for the transgression of becoming safe and instead either deride him in an openly hypergamous manner by trading up, cheating or emasculating him for being anything less than her penultimate hypermasculine hypergamous ideal or because he "became abusive" after she started operating in a covertly hypergamous way, because, while she demands to feel safe, she must also be excited. And this catch22 is simply not her problem, next!
Or maybe Tyrone stays Tyrone. And he does things Tyrone does. He never becomes safe. But she demands safety along with the excitement, and so she contents that she must have access to the state and gynocentricity, next! "He ain't no real man!" Rest assured, should she find a provider to replace Tyrone, we all know that Tyrone is still going to be involved with Amy, and she'll come up with ever increasingly complex reasons why that make no rational sense.
She couldn't ever acknowledge that maybe, maybe, Tyrone's more civilized alternative Ted, just like Billy, has a pretty good read on Amy. That she's not the type of woman you have a family with. And even less masculine men like Billy know better. In fact, only the lowest SMV men are willing to risk their lives on a group of women who impulsively signaled to the world they were unwilling to offer ownership of themselves to men and were beholden to no one but themselves, declaring only the biggest and hardest swinging dick was going suffice.
Fair enough. And so they brought the biggest and hardest swinging dicks, and left their legacy across the ghettos of the United States.
Yeah and it seems like Asian women are more willing to trade financial security over a man's attractiveness than a black woman would. Some of these really cute Asian women latch on to the fugliest white guys I have ever seen, and I can't imagine any black woman who wasn't similarly fugly dealing with that.
Amy believes she's entitled to attractive black men, who are also successful and nurturing. She doesn't overtly state she wants a nurturing man, she just believes the hard men she wants, will take responsibility and do things, that require a nurturing disposition. She is oblivious to the fact that many white men would have no issue whatsoever dating, marrying and raising a family with a black woman. But many white men figure out quickly that black women share Amy's attitude (a large minority of black women though, as evident below). And in fact, black women were the first race to enter open hypergamy. She unwittingly perpetuates her race's stereotypes in this very post, as she demands everything, offers nothing, and openly derides less attractive men who would offer her stability, despite her knowledge that it is highly likely that should she decide to have a child with Tyrone, that she will end up a single mother on welfare. She is absolutely clueless to the fact that she is the very reason the problem even exists.
But Amy isn't the only black woman trying to find a man that doesn't leave her sitting in a house full of children. Amy's situation is complicated by the fact that she's
- Entitled
- Openly hypergamous
- Self-aware
- Unwilling to settle
- Solipsistic
Hypoagency does not require entitlement, though it typically creates it. Hypergamy doesn't require a woman function in such a demonstrably low class way that she openly advertises it. She doesn't believe in love the same way anymore either, since she is self aware. Her love, is closer to arousal. She demands a real man.
Despite this, she is unwilling to compromise and unable to even conceptualize that other black women are willing to settle. As heavily as the deck is stacked against her, the very men that offer the stability she claims to want, are invisible. She can see only hypermasculine men, and high betas. And we all know, even the high betas will not suffice.
Black women highly value provider traits, it’s just the means for black men to provide have been severely limited by white society. Women tend to gravitate toward the most successful men in the community. In a resource poor environment, the dope dealers and the pimps are the ones who have the most money. The drug/ prostitution game is violent and ruthless - and many black men went to prison or died, which made black men scarce in some communities. So, more women flock to the men that are left, the men left learn they don’t have to do much to be alpha in the community but be breathing, and become lazy and entitled rather than motivated to do better. Hence my entire post.
Anyone that knows even the basics of drug dealing is that the vast majority of these guys don't make a lot of money. Your average black male with a bachelor's degree is going to outearn 90% of dealers. But what percentage of those men (roughly 15%) are tall? And what percentage of them, are mentally strong enough to be able to man handle a masculine woman like Amy (Around 20%)?
Let's remove the highly speculative mindset element here of calculating what percentage of men have abundance mentality.
The math for "a tall man" is simple. In statistics, 2 & 3 deviations to the right encapsulates 13.6%, 2.1% & .1%. So 15.8% of men are not just above average in height but tall. 34.1% of men will be of average to above average height.
Let's simplify this and say she's willing to consider a man who is just not short instead, and say that she'd trade off for a guy who is just instead in really good physical shape, really good, highly masculine. Let's just make it even simpler and say she "doesn't want the 62% of men that are overweight."
You can't honestly do the math any such way and come up with any reasonable number. The more honest you get, the smaller it gets.
So using some pretty lenient math here, she's looking for a 3.8% man (that's just a black male who is not overweight and with a degree), a top 5% man. Is she even a top 20% woman? Even a top 50% black woman?
Frankly, you can see here she's looking for some percentage lower than 1%. This hypothetical man is what I've been calling a hyper-masculine composite. And it is reserved for alpha widows. Which this woman will never admit to, but that's a side point.
This is a great look into the mindset of a woman when you remove civility from the discussion. She's a low class woman speaking in ways that betray the subconscious, that men and women do a great deal of mental work to smooth as they speak and type, attempting to conceal. Because we all wear masks. Not Amy though. In male SMV interaction, we call this DLV. Black women have a substancial minority who do this, as part of their default mode of operation. And so it stands as no surprise that they are considered low value socially, romantically and sexually.
What her survey of the SMV really says is this. "I hate the fact that the most attractive man I see in my world is a drug dealer." To even debate this point shows how women view the world. This is the incongruence that providers can not rationalize. They believe the drug dealing man is invisible to a woman looking to start a family, when instead, he is invisible. That the drug dealer is more preferable.
So what will be? Are black women just low class hoodrats that don't know a good man when they see it?" Or is it that provider traits aren't appealing to women?
Will it be racism, or the red pill? How are a supermajority of women different, while not being different? Oh that's right, no study has been done on this (that is hyper specific enough) and even if it was done it'd be part of the replication crisis.
OK Cupid on black women having the highest response rates : Whether it’s due to talkativeness, loneliness, or a sense of plain decency, black women are by far the most likely to respond to a first contact attempt. In many cases, their response rate is one and a half times the average, and, overall, black women reply about a quarter more often that other women.
It would appear that other black women are thirsty, and so Amy is in a substantial minority.
And so, from this, we can observe The Deal.
The Deal
Men sacrifice polygamy (male value), and embrace monogamy (female value). Women sacrifice hypergamy (female value) for loyalty (male value).
Men take ownership of women (male value), women take ownership of their children (female value), and under one household they share resources, the nuclear family(male value).
What's the problem?
Fundamentally, hypergamy doesn't care.
Both optimize their goals by limiting the impact of either gender maximizing their goal.
Amy will accept only her fraction of 1% maximized solution, and Tyrone is maximizing his biological imperative. She wants him to run a suboptimal program so that she can maximize her strategy. This does show that if such a thing happens at scale, that women will actually lose the war here. Such a thing is obvious when you read Amy's pleas for help, that are actually masked by her contempt, anger, bitterness and entitlement. She obviously hopes that she and other black women can have functional families in the face of such abysmal likelihood of ever achieving such a thing in the post open hypergamy cultural decay of the black community.
This can only be achieved with a female value system if we discard a patriarchal value system. Amy's real solution, is to move to Norwegian countries where she can sleep with whoever she wants, have the government foot the bill and dump her kids at daycare most of the day while she posts on the internet about it. Oblivious to the fact that she's actually talking about the destruction of a patriarchal value system, asking for a patriarchal value system to coexist within her gynocentric catch22.
Meanwhile, men can have only two orientations, pragmatic (RP), or naive(BP). Men who are pragmatic accept and understand hypergamy, and therefore, they conclude that loyalty is not a true trade in the arrangement. It is only illusory. And so they can either entertain fantasy while they roll the dice, or demand a woman enters into a no-loss deal by her bringing income that meets or exceeds his or is enforced by strict social decorum and status as is such in ultra high status society. Where operating in the manner in which Amy operates, would result in her being thrown outside the walls and gate of the community. And in fact, she'd have never been let in to begin with. Such communities operate as a form of long term, ultra elite vetting mechanisms. And it may be in the future, these are the only forms of male security available.
Nevertheless, a woman at best, believes she can or will be loyal.
A self-aware woman, who takes a second swing at bat, believes she can. A woman who has never confronted herself (the temporary state of a unicorn) believes she will be loyal. Again, the basis of my oft mentioned n(AWALT) concept in this post.
And a pragmatic man, is unwilling to offer monogamy for "I think I can be loyal."
Plenty of pragmatic men decide to roll the dice, for traditional conservative family arrangements if the woman is naive and not self-aware. We can call this "non-westernized." Or to be excruciatingly specific, n=0 with a pleasing orientation and a belief in romantic love, as opposed to an understanding of love based around arousal (which is hypergamy). Amy loves in a way in which is approximated as arousal. This isn't wrong, but it's certainly suboptimal for any man who would choose to take a risk. Any such man taking a calculated risk with her, has either balls of steel or shit for brains. But probably just catastrophically low SMV.
At best pragmatic men can roll the dice on a woman based on the understanding that she is hypergamous, but not openly so. And so, that bet is based on the understanding that he leaves a strong enough imprint on her, that her self interests remain within the household. Then he takes ownership of her, while she takes ownership of her children and they attempt to subvert evolution itself, in the goal of achieving the male and female dream, independently of each other, under the same roof. Red pill application of the blue pill dream, and as we all know, the likelihood of that outcome being positive, is very low.
Instead, Amy seeks to achieve the outcome of the woman she could have been, insisting that men offer the deal they were willing to offer her before, after that contract became untenable. And not even that, with men who offer the financial stability that is required to run a family, which is above and beyond any such claim to love for love itself. A family with a woman that has replies such as this to outline who she is in character and composition.
I love how men’s reactions to slight challenges from women is to go full retarded and stop participating in society. Y’all are a mess.
Amy will continue to avoid any such self rationalization of settling, and therefor be subject to the downsides of being self-aware and with her only remaining option being dualistic strategy while using the state as a surrogate father.
The New Deal is to enjoy the decline.
Open hypergamy dictates a male response that is to reject monogamy and practice polygamy. Either legitimately through open relationships or casual sex or by cheating (dark beta game).
George Carlin once joked "and the poor... just there to scare the shit out of the middle class!" If any women of other races are paying attention, this is a peer into the future.
And Norwegian counties show clearly, that this will not just be a black issue. It looks like being a single mother will be the new normal over the next 10-20 years.
If you think Amy is happy, then you go girl.

LewisCross 8y ago
great writeup, sado. Brilliant.
Luckyluke23 8y ago
the problem with this is that there are too many beats. or rather, the % of them is too high
Lateralanouncer 8y ago
Another angle on hypergamy is the fact the modern woman’s ego is so over inflated she could be 2,3,4 point lower than her man yet still not look up to him.
thefisherman1961 8y ago
There are a large set of factors that have gone into the open hypergamy culture of ghetto black community aside from feminism. It’s entirely the fault of the government.
We have the endless cycle of poverty that includes piss poor public education that is provided to young inner city blacks, which already causes a lot of them to be lost causes. They can’t get into college and flunk out of community college because their government provided K-12 education was terrible 3rd world quality.
They are doomed to work minimum wage jobs for the rest of their lives. Lots of them are unemployed because increasing the minimum wage laws puts upward pressure on unemployment. And minimum wage keeps increasing as damage control from the government creating inflation.
Minimum wage is totally insufficient to have a stable family on. The only legitimate thing left is welfare: another government solution to a government caused problem. And the welfare system is a joke because it’s all or nothing. It incentivizes people to not increase their incomes because they will get cut off from benefits once their income hits a certain dollar amount. Which would not happen if we had a Negative Income Tax welfare.
Crime is the obvious solution. The War on Drugs that our government wages is specifically designed to target hippies and blacks.. Lots of black men are sitting in jail for non violent crimes like selling, possessing, and using illegal drugs.
These aren’t just the alpha drug dealers and pimps who get caught either, it’s also black men living in the ghetto trying to raise a family but cannot make ends meet no matter how hard they try, so they resort to selling drugs. And they get caught, thrown in jail, and that’s how you get single mothers raising young blacks. It fuels the culture of open hypergamy.
Sure there are impoverished whites and Asians that live in the ghettos too, but not nearly as large of a percent of their races. Those conditions simply don’t exist en masse for any other race in the US except blacks. Open hypergamy is certainly coming to the US but it’s not going to ever hit the tragic levels that we see in the black community because theirs is a unique case.
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Which illustrates how government, as it stands, is a huge eugenics program that's allocating resources where no resources would be present.
Government and the economy needs to be separated.
thefisherman1961 8y ago
We just need to make taxes optional and the rest will fall into place
askmrcia 8y ago
Beautifully written. Couldn't agree more. Wish more people would have read this post
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There are women who frequent TRP -- I'm curious what your (OP's) opinion is on dating one who is as well read on the subject as we are. Obviously LTR's are a hotly debated subject here, and could warrant days of debate itself. Assuming an openness to be idea of LTR (to avoid discussion simply on the viability of LTR's), can this be beneficial to us through (her) self awareness or does it strip us of our power?
sadomasochrist 8y ago
Mostly of the opinion, no. Much in the way of women telling us that we are suckers for waist ratio and lipstick (e.g. so what). I am of the opinion that self awareness is dangerous to a woman because it, along with partner counts, destroys the possibility of romantic love, which is a mutually shared illusion (IMO).
Women who are very self aware and have high partner counts have a love that is more or less 1:1 to arousal. Our conceptual "alpha widow" is a woman who can not find a man who reaches the same arousal level who will commit resources (such as time or parenting). Then her only way to "feel love" is basically to seek further hypersexual acts.
I'll be in the future working out the female program, but I think religion covered that a while ago. More or less "Yichud" the highest SMV male with your n=0, and hope he's got a great family. More or less the same program guys on here are trying to obtain (which we advocate isn't a silver bullet).
My stance on this is that both sides take a chance, no matter what and there is no way to "win" and the deck is especially stacked against men, since the failure point of most relationships is a woman losing attraction.
Women take risks the guy they choose turns out to be a loser, limp wristed, cheats etc. But mathematically I think its in a woman's favor, given that 80% of guys I think would take a woman who is sexually submissive and active in their sex life, who is pleasant, to their grave.
Can't keep his dick in his pants guy is comparatively rare IMO. I think women can solve that issue by being hypersexual, and it seems to be a win win. Women figure this out that do the "have sex every day" program. It works.
This is off the top of my head so don't live from this post. But more or less, TRP is in my and most people who post here's opinion a reaction and not a preferred state of existence. Which is why it is so difficult for so many men to go through what amounts to cPTSD when a woman they thought was different shows them she's not any different than a bar skank. So the idea that women are risking too much trusting a man to make them happy I think isn't supported by the math. But I understand the desire to take control over your own life.
I think in the future women should take an active role in young women's lives to do this without breaking the self awareness issue. It's something I can't get to until I'm done with the male part of the equation and I've got a couple years to go in that department.
So in the meantime, defer to RPW. But more or less, look for a tall guy that is sure about himself that you can't poke any holes in and treat him like Christ himself. Fuck him silly, fluff his ego, cook, clean etc.
Make any other woman a total loser in comparison. Women hate this routine because it is so effective. Much in the same way guys get jealous about other men that operate with courage they lack. Weak men call strong men "assholes" or "losers" just as other women would deride this woman.
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I'm a guy, but I can see your confusion. Thanks for the well thought out response. I haven't read much of married TRP or RPW, PPD, or any of the other subs similar to TRP so I may not have as attuned of a perspective as others on it. It seems to me that if neither partner in the relationship believes in the fantasy tale illusion...it seems like that would result in more realistic expectations. I guess the key takeaway from your response though is that no matter what it is a risk, which I think we can all agree to.
ThrowMeABoneScott 8y ago
An absolute treat to read. Brings me back to TRP 2015. The quality is so good and perfectly condenses and explains the concepts with one detailed example. The efficiency of the word choice and vocabulary reminds me of Illimitable Man. How the hell is this not upvoted
adonis_forte 8y ago
TLDR: all black women are like that
Ananonguy88 8y ago
I'm starting to think that we don't live in decline. Decline was always there, because hypergamy was always there. This is only an illusion because now promiscuity is open and encouraged but it was still present before in more concealed form, and, I believe, on similar scale when hypergamy was even more rampant as men from upper classes would still secretly sleep with lots of females from lower classes.
Luckylancer96 8y ago
It was concealed and smaller compared to orgy of the world(mostly west). Religion and traditions, lack of protection and birth control were limiting extramartial sex. Older generations were wiser and suggesting marriage.
Globalization caused trasfer of cultural decay. For example: AIDS, the proplem of africa, did get global with globalization too.
Ananonguy88 8y ago
Lack of protection and birth control + no paternity testing back then actually enabled cucking on much bigger scale imo. Nobleman would fuck all the peasants without protection or consequences and no one would know.
I even had my own theory of revolution circle, when better genes got passed down widely enough to make lower classes rebel against higher ones and establish new elites that would pass down their genes again.
Just stuff for pet theories thread.
BigMawsmidget 8y ago
Upvote as you might be onto something here just don't know what.
antariusz 8y ago
Cuckolding has been around for the entirety of human existence.
In the past, it was a random encounter that women would never be able to replicate. Now, they have cel phones and snapchats to try to reconnect with their Chad/Tyrone.
[deleted] 8y ago
I'm gonna give this a few more read-throughs to get a more comprehensive understanding but this is great fucking content.
You're a great writer and your section about "The Deal" breaks things down so simply yet so effectively.
If that is your original content then bravo.
Rian_Stone 8y ago
I was wondering why you were wasting so much time walking her through realistic options. But I get it now. Neat breakdown. The black man as more logical than the black woman in this case. It's an old RP truism. American men can see into the future 10 years by looking at black men today
And don't forget, this girl is the same one that is calling RP spergie, you all low quality, and mocking the focus on 'lifting'.
She's not on your team, she never was.
If I had to make a critique, it's that it's too focused on the woman. Not that it's bad, but I hope it doesn't start a mental masturbation trend among the newer users. I do hope people take it for what it is, a crushing of ones disney fantasy. It's not that women lie to you, it's that they lie to themselves, and you just follow along
Luckyluke23 8y ago
i love this! it's very true
ENOUGH_TRUMP_SPAM_ 8y ago
Black culture is fucked by our 'justice' system more than anything..
Rian_Stone 8y ago
No ones it listing grievances by severity
Koryphae_ 8y ago
This 'truism' is based on what, 'random anecdotal evidence'? Just because people act a certain way (sexually) which kind of portrays them to be 'red pilled' does not prove they are 'more logical', or actually red pilled, I think. Wouldn't you?
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UshankaDalek 8y ago
Powerful quote.
[deleted] 8y ago
I believe this is side bar level subject material, insight, and writing quality.
sadomasochrist 8y ago
We're all writing for each other in a way. And you hope the user base over time starts to appreciate the content as users get deeper and deeper. I wouldn't expect a new user to be able to dissect to this level and relatedly appreciate the content. I do disagree with the word "masterbation" here as this is all really actual RP observation, put through well understood and accepted truisms here. But I agree this is an acquired taste.
I'm glad we're all on the same page with this. That was the conclusion of the n(AWALT) concept, which is far more reasonable than the idea that women are en masse forming a conspiracy.
That's just hurtful to digestion of the content here.
I mean who would want to honestly believe, rationally, that happiness lies within their own domination? And if you can't negotiate attraction, could a woman negotiate her own submission?
And when a woman rightly saw that she was within a male value system, why wouldn't she think to challenge that to balance it out?
So ultimately, as I posited to Whisper, I think this entire thing was set off by what seemed like something self evident, that the system was out of balance and balancing it would bring happiness to women.
Unaware that said imbalance provided happiness for both parties, and changing the balance would create perverse incentives. So Feminism itself, is a paradox.
Feminism then, is, the female happiness paradox.
Rian_Stone 8y ago
Meh, how palatable to chicks it is isn't relevant to me. Assuming ignorance instead of malice is more useful to a guy. I would disagree on reasonable, and replace the word with useful, but I get your point.
I have a funny quip I use in place of this. How do you bring a woman to happiness? By dragging her, kicking and screaming the whole way. She really needs to listen more to Darla, and less to Atlas or the bloopies.
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notonlyplace 8y ago
All men here is how amazing women are, but the second we hear about the reality we try to censor it, Why does red pill want to censor the truth.
We already hear about the bad things men do 10000000000 times a minute, but dear god, one post that focuses on cultural issues cause by women instead of the evil white men, we must sit back and worry about new users.
This is what new users need more than anything
Cliche, with no meaning, everyone says that.
With a gun pointed to your head
Rian_Stone 8y ago
thefisherman1961 8y ago
62% of men overweight? Try 75-80% when you go by bodyfat percentage
Galbert123 8y ago
Overvaluing themselves left and right.
VickVaseline 8y ago
Thank you. This is is the best post I have ever seen on here. I read it twice. It would almost qualify as a doctoral thesis. If I had the power, I would grant you a PhD in Red Pill.
What is the source of the quotes in this post, by the way?
mnemos_1 8y ago
I admit I'm surprised that this hasn't garnered more attention and/or votes; while it certainly isn't very accessible for new guys, those who've lurked for a while would do well to give it a read for the insightful and well-constructed perspective it presents.
Having reduced things to this almost equation-like concept is a masterstroke. It clearly outlines the appropriate response to hypergamy being embraced, rather than sacrificed.
Two requests:
max_peenor 8y ago
Votes does not mean quality around here. A lot of visitors are hurt young men looking for justice and revenge. This post does not resonate with them--now. However, it's super important that it's here for them when they are ready.
/u/sadomasochrist, excellent work. Everyone else: the more you write and the more you get feedback about it, the better you get. Just don't shit up the sub, k?
empatheticapathetic 8y ago
Dark beta seems like the idea that the guy knows women respond to pre selection, competition and emotions. But he is unable to spin plates for whatever reason. So to optimise his LTR (beta dynamic) he utilises these strategies.
sadomasochrist 8y ago
edit : Didn't realize people were talking about the post source I'm quoting. At PurplePillDebate "TRP tactics are devastating to communities. A Gynocentric Sexual Marketplace is necessary to maintain a functioning society."
This is my original OC. Though the nuclear family being a male concept is a corollary to Briffault's law. I have a background in systems analysis, so you're just seeing what I like to do. I'm not just regurgitating other people's content, though many posters and writers before me have influenced my own concepts and provided a framework to understand from. Rollo has been the most influential to me. From there I've tried to grow and form a heavy understanding of "the model" beyond what other writers have tried to deduce.
My ultimate goal is a total understanding of the system, the actors within and the optimal system design for the majority. Blue pills are always interested in outliers, I don't care at all about them. Once you remove outliers you can design a system properly. In fact, system design is mostly designing to account for outliers and get them out. I expect to propose my framework for men having children in post Marriage 2.0 in the next month or two.
Time at PPD has been eye opening, if you learn how to extract information out of women. The ECs\mods here are a fantastic team of guys and over time I've just been repeatedly blown away when I've tried to tear apart a concept to see if it stands to scrutiny, only to have it stand and be validated by other frameworks.
Sex at Dawn posits the nuclear family is "not natural" but I'm not going to comment further until I can make an official stance after rereading that, Manipulated Man, Red Queen & Sperm Wars. What I will ultimately end up coming to a conclusion on will either concur with one of these, or I will formulate my own stance. I believe, as I've said, this is all paradoxical. So I think my stance will ultimately be unique.
Dark Beta : A red pill aware man who uses red pill awareness, and amorality, to engage in a LTR.
An example. A woman in my family in her 20s, upper middle class, very attractive black girl. She was dating a jacked personal trainer. This guy if you didn't know any better, was a "natural." Or a blue pill alpha male. She thought she was pretty hot shit, she had "hit the jackpot." Except when they were having trouble conceiving it turned out he had a vasectomy. He took the entirety of her youth. In light of that revelation it's more likely than not he also had plenty of girls on the side too.
More or less this is the kind of thing that actually scares women. When they say they don't care about TRP, they generally mean it. Women use men for casual sex just the same, it's an even exchange. But a woman sacrifices SMV for a LTR. So when a guy spins plates behind her back (I call cheating juggling) he's getting frequent sex with a woman of higher SMV than he could otherwise obtain and he's breaking "the deal" (by practicing polygamy).
In the case of the personal trainer, I highly suspect he learned and got red pilled from his first marriage since he had kids already. So he already knew that the loyalty trade between men and women was a false contract, and then amorality followed. I don't believe he was malevolent or corrupt. Just that he understood women and realized a woman is incapable of honestly promising loyalty and so for him to do the same was a fools errand.
alvlear 8y ago
You are doing good work here. I recommend you read Sex at Dusk by Lynn Saxon before you proceed to incorporate Sex at Dawn into your framework. Saxon eviscerates the pseudo-science in Dawn, and her exposition on sexuality from an evolutionary biology perspective is one of the best I have seen.
Looking forward to your future content.
BluepillProfessor 8y ago
No, clapping and dancing around the fire while engaging in a mass gang bang is "natural." Unfortunately experience is rather clear that such behavior cannot build and maintain a civilization. In fact it appears to be falling apart quite rapidly as we go back to clapping and dancing.
Oscar_Cc 8y ago
haha always a pleasure to see you on patrol
Persaeus 8y ago
while i am not sure there is anything groundbreaking in this post; you put together a lot of big concepts together exceptionally well with a nice narrative.
i'm very much looking forward to:
couple thoughts on that for you to chew on. i support marriage for me and would do it again in the same way i support skydiving for me; but i would not recommend it to others. my reasoning is i want the best possible woman i can get to have and raise children with. the best possible woman is smart and self interested enough to know that marriage is a contract fundamentally in her favor. therefore, any woman that is agreeable to conceive children with me outside of wedlock is likely lower quality.
in picking said woman and minimizing your downside risk, i think you nailed it with:
i would add pick a woman that is slightly below your SMV. hypergamy demands she look up and a man's got to know his limits. i would argue that your description is why Asian women are becoming, if not already, the new "trophy wife". that and they age exceptionally well.
in regards to the management of said wife and family. it's all in the sidebar. you have to continuously satisfy both sides of her hypergamous nature; and you have to be the king. all that being said . . . maintain your point of origin and be comfortable with "it's just your turn" as a mental construct (but not lifestyle).
i hope you won't be advocating:
virgin worship is overwrought in the manosphere; and IMHO speaks more to the insecurity of men than anything else. instead i would advocate a woman with just enough experience for her to be assured that you are her best option; and are capable of enforcing loyalty.
lastly:
i agree is is not natural. unfortunately, Boeing 747's and 7+ billion people on Earth are not natural at all either. IMHO civilization, at least as we know it now, hinges on most of the beta's getting some pussy and thinking they have a chance in the reproduction game. not sure if it's armageddon or lard asses with sex bots; but unchecked hypergamy will definitely unleash a very different world.
sadomasochrist 8y ago
To be clear I'm not going to trot out any sort of "prescription" for marriage. But to redefine it much in the same way that feminists have done for the last generation of men. More to follow obviously.
Want to be careful to point this out so no one thinks I'm going to go Jordan Peterson.
The script got flipped and it's time to flip it again.
Rian_Stone 8y ago
I would disagree with this. Women base their value on what they've had before. In fact, you have to be higher, just for her to think of them as equal SMV. And of course, the army of thirsty invisibles have a single function, to reinforce this delusion
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Persaeus 8y ago
which part would you edit out. LO fucking L
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Persaeus 8y ago
will never actually do the work; and is doomed to failure. fuck him.
redpillschool Admin 8y ago
Fresh content. Let's have more of this.
sadomasochrist 8y ago
Appreciated. It's comforting to know you can write content that is sound and novel without being constrained by the fact it's less accessible or more of an acquired taste. It is very tempting to write clickbait titles and pander in your writing, and support like this shows that the ultimate goal of this sub is high quality content.
Rian_Stone 8y ago
Man. I remember when you suggested that your contributions weren't going to be well recieved.
Glad you accepted my suggestion.
Too many people judging karate by it's white belts. Too many white belts filling up the dojo with noise
sadomasochrist 8y ago
Whisper's alpha spergle list was the start of great changes.
Rian_Stone 8y ago
That and the increased moderation
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The metaphor about Amy’s roller coaster awareness and life got a chuckle.
A near perfect composite male in exchange for an unaware, hypergamous, damaged, and high risk female sounds like a great deal.
Sign me right up. Scratch that, sign the state right up.
Edit: Your post, OP, might not get the traction it deserves, but I enjoyed the penmanship and thought exercise.
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As did I. Insightful analysis.
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Amazing work sir.
BurnoutRS 8y ago
Well I cant claim to fully understand everything I read above, but it resonates with one of my own ideas.
It seems to me that most conspiracies happen after the fact. Was TV created so the government could control us? Unlikely, since people would only be able to speculate as to how it could be used as a means of control after seeing its effects on people over a number of year. Does that mean that there arent people trying to influence us through the tv? Well youre fucking retarded if I have to answer that question, but its not the whole of tv. Maybe tv isnt the best example, the framework for conditioning through repeated exposure to stimuli already existed prior to the invention of the television. If all media is control than the people utilizing radio to brainwash the masses would simply have to extrapolate for how the model would work with the new visual element. Still I think there are many effects a new invention will have when its introduced to society that simply cant be predicted.
For every woman, a large portion of women, or even a sizeable minority of women to all be involved in a global conspiracy seems pretty farfetched. How would you even orchestrate something like that without somebody catching on or some information being leaked?
Persaeus 8y ago
there really is no such thing as conspiracy, "a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful", on any kind of global or even national scale.
rather what people conceive as conspiracy is in actuality filtering and consensus at elite levels of society. people do not reach the elite levels of society where impactful decisions are being made without passing through a gauntlet of filters to make sure their thoughts and values confirm to the elites. at that point no secrecy is needed; they all make decisions in the open based on their shared values. the primary value being Adam Smith's vile maxim of the rich (human nature writ large):
"all for me and none for you"
if you really want to get into how the "conspiracy" works read Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations" and Noam Chomsky's "Manufacturing Consent"
BurnoutRS 8y ago
That makes perfect sense. Its a system that mirrors evolution right? We've reached the top of the food chain after millions of years of natural selection and, though you can pick out differences from one human to the next, we all share the same basic traits (colour vision, depth perception, self awareness etc)
So the process through which people acchieve status and power selects for the traits that are necessary for people to acchieve that status and power. So by the time youve reached a highly influential position, its likely that everyone else there is going to understand the world in a similar way.
Im definitely adding those books to my reading list
peaceful_strong_man 8y ago
Monogamy as the norm and only acceptable form of relationship is a farce. I support polygyny.
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BewareTheOldMan 8y ago
Bottom line - no self-respecting, high tier/high value man will expend time, effort, energy, or resources on a low value woman...regardless of race.
The disconnect between who you can "get" versus what a person (woman) thinks or believes they "deserve" are two opposing contrasts. If a woman can’t secure the high value man, it’s because she’s NOT good enough for him.
High Value Men can and almost always exercise their option to select much better women.
Also - there are men available to these women - they simply don't want them.
...not necessarily true. It's that high tier/high value black men are not "selecting" this type of woman as mates - nor will they "submit" to a woman's control. She's smart to lower her standards and select from lower tier males who accept her conditions.
OneRedYear 8y ago
This guy gets it. My Dad didn't almost get his balls shot off in Nam to wife up a hoodrat. My folks are still married 46 years strong. The thing is that there is a black middle class with conservative leaning values who stay as far away as possible from the ghetto life, the two groups don't mix well. The media (and in return the larger population) thinks we are all ghetto. Black middle class life doesn't scare the shit out of white folks on fox news, in fact it would have the opposite effect of humanizing us.
reluctantly_red 8y ago
Yeah, the black middle class really is a totally separate culture. Woman from a BMC background are not at all like the woman the OP describes.
vengefully_yours 8y ago
Good luck finding what our parents had. It's not going to happen, it no longer exists. The only time you will get it is if she knows she can do no better, and most girls are not that self aware. Doesn't matter what color you are. The number of 30 year marriages is dwindling to insignificance.
OneRedYear 8y ago
Oh I've given up a long time ago. I'm not successful enough, I'm not beta enough, and I'm not chained to dating only black women. Those three things disqualify me from dating the majority of strong independent black women. Not a thug, not a well off guy. Just an average middle class working stiff who won't put up with a bunch of crap, not trying to raise Tyrone's kids, and used to try to treat his woman as an equal. Disaster recipe.
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sadomasochrist 8y ago
Because what she believes is "high value" stopped being offered as a commonly held ideal by black males. She's lamenting the loss of a value that men offered, that women treated as a right, not a privilege.
Other posters posit she could select other races, or compromise on raw attraction but she refuses.
This makes the hypothesis that black males stopped offering these assumed "rights" true, because such availability outside her race is available in great supply, in white, asian men etc.
Without open hypergamy, such a thing likely never would have taken in the black community. But seller's climate (women's preferences) became open and obvious, and from there, only suckers continued to double down on the virtue grinder, until all that was left was a small hyper-minority of black men with significant market power, of which she's not privy to.
Which will undoubtedly be the future of the white, asian etc marketplaces.
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MrTrizzles 8y ago
A small but important point: hypergamy only comes into play when she already has a partner. If she's single, what she has is standards.
reluctantly_red 8y ago
Anyone think she's remaining celibate while she looks for her perfect man? If she is anything near attractive she has a casual partner who doesn't know what a tenuous position he's in.
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CapsaicinKing 8y ago
Stopped reading here.
I figured the rest was just as inaccurate.
max_peenor 8y ago
Retail is a brutal business, regardless of your market segment.
OneRedYear 8y ago
Vast majority being the key phrase there bud.
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In fact, only making a little money is pretty much the main way to stay in business.
CapsaicinKing 8y ago
Like that chump knows the "vast majority" of drug dealers, LOL
Probably some cracker that's never set foot in the projects.
I can absolutely guarantee you, the "vast majority" of drug dealers are making a GOOD amount of money.
Source, social services work for a decade. Trying to get these people off the streets, you get laughed at, trying to suggest anything less than a $20/hr job, because they are making upwards of 30-50/hr, at the LOW end. And that's not taxed. And it's cash, not wait for stupid paycheck to come every two weeks.