The number of downvotes surprised me...

You should watch JPs talk on the decline of the alpha male. He's one of the only men publicly addressing the sad state of men in the west.

You are thinking as a collectivist even you think you are redpilled. Both nihilist and utopian thoughts are BP type, not about you and yourself but 'fears' and fantasies about how Soros or aliens control the world that actually make you satisfied.

HIs IQ is 150. He said this himself on an interview. It is not 200 plus.

This whole need to categorize public figures as red pill or blue pill is stupid. Is x-person red pill? Barf.

Good post. I've never been so sure about Peterson myself. Like every rockstar intellectual, he's developing a bit of a cult following, but his seems a lot more cultish than others. Some people over on his sub, that I do peruse from time to time, will literally not accept he's got anything to say that's not pure genius.

This is why I hate terms like "Marxism" or "Machiavellianism" or any other "person's name-ism". Why not just take the smart things people have to say and ignore the stupid things people have to say?

A lot of the time it does seem like Peterson is just priming young men to be cogs in the machine with average lives who have sedentary, unexciting lifestyles, and that's what he means by "take responsibility, man".

Yeah I'm definitely going to listen to some anonymous guy on a manosphere forum about how to live my life over a pHD clinical psychologist.. Right.

The guy's not perfect and no one has everything figured out but if we're all to reject Peterson's rationale, who's to say we shouldn't think similarly about endorsed contributors here?

Point being, Peterson and the ECs both have some substantial merit. They're not perfect, they just have merit amongst their demographics. Merit is a measure of reputation of the individual and generally speaking it makes them more qualified to give advice than say-the average joe.

If you don't like Peterson, that's fine. Some people do. You do you. I've noticed a few holes in his arguments and contradictory points in his talks, but I still think there's some wisdom in his lectures. I do get tired of "LOBSTERS!" and his constant ranting about communist russia though.

He helped me better myself as a person and get my act together,

it's not like i follow all of his views completely but i don't see why red pill should be complaning about someone trying to shape young men into getting their acts together?

He is turning men into responsible beings, even if it only helps me. my mental health has completely been turned around in the last few months.

that's good going for a pathetic piece of shit who was completely unhappy with life! :)

I am wondering why someone is, let´s say this as neutral as possible, "criticized" for not being the Messiah.

For a lot of people he can be part of the puzzle, what is wrong with that, that is more than most people do.

Some people have to settle with the genetics they were given and the life path that they took There is nothing wrong with the blue pilled path if that is your last resource to survive and replicate, to give it another go and with the vicissitudes of fate, your spawn just might have the right mutation to survive. I wouldn't put Peterson in this category. It comes down to the people who are working for society and a better world, and those who are serving themselves...I don't believe the redpill means any path that benefits the group/society is fundamentally beta. A lot of what Peterson refers to is religion and god and nobility. values that despite being subdued on redpill are fundamentally strong in society. The whole redpill path, there is a reason why you can't talk about it, you will be ostracized. Even if you don't get kicked out of your tribe you will be a target of suspicion moving forward. The redpill ethic that you claim, has a bunch of individuals running around making up their own morals, only to be reigned in by the dominant person who gets to make the morals, alpha, a king, or president. But what the idea of god did, is the idea of god put the rules outside of any man, it put them external to man. And what appears to be the case is that, religions are an attempt to codify the morals to subscribe to an idealized version of the human and the society. So another way to interpret why sinning can bring you shame in religious groups, is because you are turning your back not on god, but on yourself, every person in the group, and rejecting the benevolent collective unconscious will of the group, as they see it. We all have our gods. You just have a primitive one, the one says that you are the god.which is both true and not true hence the oh so critical choice.

Very wealthy, intelligent and top of his field? That's more than you will ever be.

Just because he isn't jacked and unmarried does not make him blue pill.

What is the Red Pill? Most fundamentally, it is understanding the dynamics that underly the social matrix.

Dr. Peterson has spent his career studying these dynamics. He understands them very deeply, on the biological, psychological, social, cultural, economic, political, legal, historical, and mythological levels.

How he applies this knowledge, how he chooses to live his life, whether the tools he offers are useful to you or not, whether his goals are yours or not, is entirely beside the point. I disagree with him on a bunch of points, and choose live my life quite differently. This does not change the fact that he understands the social matrix. Saying he does not understand it implies you do not understand it yourself.

although unfortunately this caused massive triggering as expected

Not everyone who's disagreeing with you is "triggered" like some mental patient. Nothings unfortunate about mass disagreement, just means some people are wrong and need to think harder. And you're not cleverer than others just because you can sneak in "as expected" and imply you're knowing of others.

Posts like this are fine examples of the nihilist junk that floats around places like this.

Peterson is offering some form of path towards a better life. Something constructive. Read his latest book and then tell me with a straight face this guy is "blue pill" (stupid).

Instead posters like this want "to preserve the awful bitter taste of the red pill", i.e. keep screaming at everyone "everything's shit and life is evil". Yeah, that's much more constructive.

You have no idea what's good for other men, OP. Leave it up to those wiser than you and stop trying to pull them down.

These people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

He's good for information, but he shouldn't be denigrated. It's other people's fault for following his every word like sheeple.

Not having children with a quality women is genetic death of your lineage. With so many posts from individuals who've found themselves lost in the inherently nihilistic nature of the red pill, you must accept this simple truth: if you do not reproduce, you're the weakest link in your genetic line.

Now actually finding a unicorn? Easier said than done.

No need to worship JP as some kind of messiah. He's simply a man who can hold frame like no other, and is knocking down all challengers. Learn what you can, discard what you can't.

There's a difference between intelligence and wisdom. You can have one and not the other

Have you read his new book Op? Because I did and it’s obvious you did not.

"But GreenPiller, Jordan has an IQ higher than 200 and is like really smart!" Yes he is very intelligent, but you have to understand, blue pill is blue pill no matter what.

A lot of far left liberals are very intelligent. They are either deluded by cognitive dissonance into not applying that intelligence, or they wilfully use it in an attempt, as you allude, to enslave others.

Almost worse are those who mistake wit for intelligence. Jon Stewart is a prime example of this. His tenure on The Daily Show was an unrestrained Niagara of shitshow-level strawman attacks punctuated with expressive eyebrows. Little to no rational thought was ever applied to any of the issues he "reported" upon.

There are also differing types of intelligence. Noam Chomsky is a brilliant linguist. He's also unable to reconcile the collapse of every major socialist country with his sincere belief that America would like it if only they tried it.

Yesterday an SJW hardbody plate who loves to be choked, beaten, and railed told me you cant like Jordan Peterson, if you follow his 12 steps, you have to leave your wife

I told her I could read and enjoy him while picking what I liked to try and improve my life and see if it works. I was free to discard whatever I wanted and I didnt need to be binary like she thought.

This goes for most of you guys too.

This shouldnt be so hard to understand

I have to disagree with this sentiment. All men should look to divide the world into something other than just being red pill or blue pill. Its far more complex than that.

So you first make the mistake in deiyifying jordan peterson and then realise you've taken it too far and throw down and destroy His graven image.

Seems like Aristotle was right, virtue is the balance between two extremes and you have erred in both instances.

Besides, there can be no saviour of western civilization. Western civilization is dead. There could maybe be a resurgence of western civilization, but it's more likely one of our children will lead that than someone from our generation. We'd need to have some to even stand that chance of course, without racemixing ourselves into oblivion.

Besides even your conclusion coincides with jordan peterson's when you say that we need to raise powerful men. Yet simultaneously you decry having kids. You need to work out the inconsistancies in what you're trying to achieve.

Finally you claim that taking responsibility of something makes you its slave. You have that backward, if you effectively take responsibility for something and it is within your circle of influence, you are not its slave, you are its master. If you end up its slave you took on responsibilities above your capability.

Well for starters he advocates monogamy is the be-it-all endgame for relationships. As much as he's intelligent, he has zero clue about non-monogamy and whenever he starts talking about monogamy and marriage I just cringe.

Bro, I'm dying here, "ben shekelpiro" LOL.

I agree with you on this premise, I however want to state that not every man has this within him. I have a BP friend I have known since we were kids, and I have been RP for years now. Every time I bring the RP up to him he gives me a blank stare as if I had sprouted an extra head or some thing. He does not want to accept the cold hard truths I have for him.

Even when I lurk in other subs I want so badly to tell some of these men about TRP but I know I would get down voted into oblivion for doing so.

At this point in my life I debate whether to stay quiet or rage onward into the night never retreating from the ignorance known as reality to so many.

On a final note, Jordan is intelligent however that doesn't mean he has all the answers. There are "types" of intelligence such as logical, abstract, musical, bodily kinisthetic, interpersonal, intrapersonal, emotional, creative, spatial etc... There are more but I'll spare you the science lesson.

At this point of TRP do you think that spreading TRP to other men is our duty? Or should men be left to discover it on their own through heart-ache and confusion?

Still a rather neutral position, he just sounds like a guy that panders to women constantly. Bring in specifics. Forget RP BP what specifically makes him not your friend.

As you say the blue pill is not about being stupid. Actually it's about being intelligent, there's nothing that is not completely right from a logical point of view. Unfortunately often things don't follow logic.