In before anyone calls me a BP fag, I will admit it was a case of oneitis where I idealized my relationship with her and I should've known better. I will share my thoughts here, so onward with the post.
Background info.
Met this chick Paula (not real name) from a dating app, and we meet up over an after work drink. The conversation was great, lots of push/pull and kino, and within an hour we were making out in the bar. We met later for a 2nd date but couldn't seal the deal, so on the 3rd date we went back to my place to have sex, despite the huge amount of resistance.
Because of some personal matters I have to leave the city for a month, we kept in touch thru text. There was a lot of banter going on, but I kept it to a minimal and had her mostly initiate the contact whilst I was away. After I came back, we met up 3 more times (1x week over 3 weeks), all with dinner and then sex at my or her place. The connection and sex with her was better than my other 2 plates, probably due to her more feminine nature than the other 2. After I came back from my month off I noticed the amount of texting from her has decreased, which suits me fine as I prefer to use it for logistics anyway.
After the last meet up I had to go away for business. She texted me the next day telling me how much fun she had, and that she looks forward to seeing me again. During our last meetup I mentioned that I enjoyed her company and would like to see her more for her benefits (maybe I shouldn't have), so she asked if that's true and I agreed. After my business trip, I texted her 2x more over 2 weeks, with no response from her even though on the 2nd text I said I wanted to see her again. It appeared that she has ghosted me.
Additional info
As per TRP teaching, I didn't give her too much validations thru text, as I understand women live for it, and so to not appear to be a beta orbiter, I often teased her and make her qualify to me. She'd often counter that if I'm not nice to her, someone else will; I usually just ignore it. One time I teased her too much thru text, she then told me she's sick of my wise crack jokes and if she wants to have fun it wouldn't be hard for her, so I pulled back a little and told her I know she likes me, and I like her too; I got the feeling that she was insecure about where we're heading.
On my last 3 meetups, she'd probe me about my past relationships, so I tried to be vague about them. She also asked if I can see where this is going, so I told her that I'm always open to a more long term relationship, but only if the right person comes along. She mentioned that she felt we're just biding our time with each other, and again I responded that I'm open to a more long term relationship with the right person (I tried to show a bit of a comfort/beta side to pacify her). At that point in time, I really did want to see if she's a LTR material.
In person interaction has been great, we get along really well and there's hardly any dead air. Sex has also been great, especially after reading and implementing Daniel Ross' Sex God Method. I usually made her cum 2-3x, and after sex she often said it was so good because of all the dirty talks and me dominating over her.
Postmortem dissection
All this happened 2 weeks ago, so I had time to sit back and ponder the whole situation. After I read u/Dmva100 timely post and u/Zech4riah's reply, I think I have pieced together the situation. Paula has likely found herself someone more AF or BB than me, and her seeing me after my return was to assess whether I would commit to her to satisfy her dual nature sexual strategy (AF/BB). Her asking about where this is going is akin to "The Talk" that women do to try to get a man to commit to her exclusively. I tried to deflect her questions but my guess is her wanting a BB boyfriend was too strong an emotion for me to overcome. I believe she either has an exclusive boyfriend, is seeing someone with exclusive boyfriend potential, or an ex has returned, as her texting has become more sporadic over the weeks, ie somebody else is giving her validations over text, and security that she's looking for; she often said her ex was very "nice" to her and treated her really well. As much as my ego hates to admit, she could've also found someone more AF than me.
Paula ghosting caught me by surprised honestly, since I thought I've been following TRP's teaching pretty well. I tried to be as AF as possible with a small hint of BB to let her know I'm open to LTR.
Compare to my pre-TRP days, I'd say I have improve a lot. Even though I thought I had removed most of my BP tendencies, after this plate broke I realized that I still have some of it left within me as evident by my sadness; I still have a lot to do to kill my beta self. My biggest issue from this is that I still idealize a BP relationship with Paula because of our connection, completely neglect her dual nature sexual strategy and fell into a oneitis trap. However, knowing my previous self, without TRP I would be even more devastated and would try to win her back.
Moving forward
For now I have resigned to the fact that Paula may never come back. I maybe sad, but I'm also not angry at her, because that's like getting angry at a lion for eating Bambi; it's in their nature (AWALT). I have resolved to go no contact with her until she initiates, otherwise I would appear weak and lose my abundance mentality; women love it when a man shows weakness as this justifies her decision to dump him. I also won't burn any bridge because what she did wasn't disrespectful in a plate relationship, and I'd be more than happy to see her again if she does boomerang back. I'm slowly internalizing the idea that I have to be the "holiday" for women, to give them respite from the dreary reality so they would keep coming back for more, it seems to be working well for my other 2 plates.
Thanks for meditation and some self-awareness, I've been able to monitor my emotions over the last 2 weeks and temper them. Logically I know there are women out there that are better than Paula, so I keep reminding myself that whenever I feel down, and so far it's been going really well. After realizing Paula ghosting me, I hit up my 2 plates to schedule something right away to deal with my loneliness feeling, and they're more than happy to see more of me. I have also been going hard on my online dating apps and have schedule another meet for next week to get the pipeline flowing.
Edit: I might have broken my frame when I said I'm open to LTR. Her whole talk about us biding our time and asking where this is going could've been a huge shit test and not comfort test. I should have agreed that it's going no where, or disqualify her that she's not LTR material to keep her guessing. Alternatively she might have thought I was getting clingy and that she's out fucking other guys.
Lessons learned, everything's shit test.

Zech4riah 7y ago
You didn't do necessarily anything wrong here. You can ofc always adjust but like other's have said - your turn ended.
When you get "the talk" your current "relationship status" has a hard expiration date. With some girls it may be a week or two. With some it maybe be couple of months. My average is around 2months after "the talk" before the plate drops.
There is is this illusion hanging around TRP that when doing everything properly, you can spin plates "forever". The truth is that if the girl is ~7 or higher, you will struggle to keep spinning her longer than 3-4 months. If you can keep a hot girl who wants your commitment longer than that, you have to be extremely high value guy when dealing with model tier girls and generally with "normal girls" 2-3 points above her.
Additionally there are girls who never give you the talk because they are too shy to do confrontations like that. They usually drop suddenly without any signs and may ghost you without a warning.
TheTrenTrannyTrain 7y ago
Thanks for sharing your experience. You're right in that I thought TRP would make it last longer than 2 months, and my ego wants to optimize my game so I don't make the same mistakes again.
Judging from other's input, it's likely she already has a steady boyfriend and she wants to gauge if I'll take his place.
tross186 7y ago
Dude, you said you want to see her for her benefits. That's weird af. You sound like a sociopath.
auspiciouslyanon 7y ago
seriously weird. and disrespectful. women don't want to be othered like that.
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zealanderx 7y ago
You said you wanted to see her again for her, "benefits".
She probably thought you were using her. That's a really odd thing to say- I am way more likely to ghost a girl if she says something so oddball to me.
TheTrenTrannyTrain 7y ago
No, she asked if I really wanted to see her for her benefits, and I agreed cause I pity her. We were just bantering.
zealanderx 7y ago
"No, hamster hamster we were bantering and loving each other"
Think what you want- she gone
infamous3238 7y ago
What happened? She met another guy off tinder who is more exciting and higher SMV than you. Nothing you did wrong, it was just your turn.
TheTrenTrannyTrain 7y ago
Harsh truth, but truth nonetheless.
cbfks 7y ago
You pretended to have abundance but it was, in reality, a front you put on which she saw right past.
Sir_Distic 7y ago
This is one of the most mature things I've read lately here.
It's ok to feel feelings for girls. Provided you don't get carried away. It seems like you did everything right. She just ended her turn
ex_addict_bro 7y ago
When you loose something, what are you supposed to feel?
Feeling are a compass. Use them.
As for the rest of this BP bullshit, I'm not even reading this, lift more, bro, focus on important stuff. Done.
TheTrenTrannyTrain 7y ago
Thanks bro. Still lifting and I'm going to up the tren, lol.
rp_southsider 7y ago
How old is she? If she's approaching the age when women want to "settle down" then she might be looking for an LTR. If she doesn't get that LTR feeling from you (i.e. she just sees you as a FWB) then she might be moving on to someone she can lock down.
Whatever the reason, don't sweat it too much. Spin your other plates, keep the pipeline moving and have fun. It sounds like you have your life in order, keep it up!
TheTrenTrannyTrain 7y ago
She's 30, so yeah getting to the Wall. What's so confusing is that she hinted LTR herself (asking where this is going, and etc), and I thought it was comfort test. So I said I'm open to the idea to the right person as a way to past her test, but I guess that backfired on me.
Seriously, I need to see everything as shit test from now on.
hammerhearth 7y ago
Sounds like you were her plate
TheTrenTrannyTrain 7y ago
Exactly. Women are natural when it comes to plate spinning, I believe Rollo wrote about that.
hammerhearth 7y ago
I'm not gonna sugarcoat it - you were weak and the weak stay with the strong.
As a man you're hardwired to care for and protect the weaker sex. A strong woman is not gonna care for a weak man.
TheTrenTrannyTrain 7y ago
Fair enough. Serious question, care to point out how I dropped the ball?
hammerhearth 7y ago
Were you lifting while you pursued her? Were you gaming other girls? Were you running any creative side projects at the time?
You put her above yourself and so you lowered your value. She sensed this and she bailed.
TheTrenTrannyTrain 7y ago
1) Yes, I lift 4-5x a week with 2 days of BJJ
2) Yes, I still go out to meet other women, though nothing panned out from them. I saw my other 2 plates while seeing Paula.
3) No creative side projects, just work, gym and BJJ.
4) Not sure if I put her above me, I tend to see Paula only 1x week, and I'm pretty slow to reply her message. She also knows that I'm seeing other women.
hammerhearth 7y ago
Then maybe she has BPD. You're on the right path and you don't need internet strangers telling you how to live your life.
That which harms the soul is the soul itself. Forget Paula and go be happy.
TheTrenTrannyTrain 7y ago
I didn't detect any BPD redflags. No tattoos, no crazy submissiveness. She lives in a tidy place, came from a 2 parents family.
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Psychocist 7y ago
Hypergamy? A bigger better deal came along and you were forgotten as if you never existed? It is well-documented, not sure how someone hasn't suggested it yet.
I know you're not fixated on her (as someone suggsted) as much you are likely fixated on the outcome and reason for her behaviour; Keep doing what you're doing (it's working) and lay off studying women for a while. Who cares why she did what she did? You can't prevent her from being a woman.
TheTrenTrannyTrain 7y ago
Such a simple TRP concept, yet my ego blinded me from it. For sure it could be someone with bigger dick, more money, more AF or BB than me.
Meditation is helping me not to fixate on Paula, so this post mostly is for me to find out a reason why I was ghosted. But I should've known, women do things not for reasons but emotions. I thought I have the AF part down but obviously I'm overestimating my ability.
Live and learn.
hammerhearth 7y ago
You certainly are fixated on her.
trpraducu 7y ago
Bingo!
Fixated on her and if I were a woman op would raise so many reg flags.
What's that bullshit about being ok to ltr the "right person".
That's highschool speach.
You tell her "I'm ok with the idea of an LTR, but not right now."
And being evasive about past relationships - it works on certain troubled women, but you should still have an answer ready like "yeah, so I was in this ltr for X years but things didn't work out, and now I'm casually dating", just imagine the situations reversed.
old_school 7y ago
Hmm maybe all this TRP bullshit is wrong afterall! What a thought...
BurnoutRS 7y ago
you failed an obvious shit test with the texting. When she said you were being too rough she was testing to see if that would break your frame and soften you up or if you would just continue on with your behaviour.
She was disappointed you cared so much about what she thought
TheTrenTrannyTrain 7y ago
Possibly, but I want to maintain the idea that I don't do texting to validate her. If she wants my attention she'd have to meet me in person.
After her last text to me, I forgot about her and text a comment back 2 days later. Then a week later I asked for a meetup after my return.
BurnoutRS 7y ago
based on your comment you have completely misunderstood my point. She "wahh, youre being mean" and you said "oh sorry babe, I forgot how delicate you were, please still like me" and then she said "ew he's a total beta wimp that freaked out and started doing damage control when I hinted that I might leave if he kept being mean to me"
when she says "im just trying to have fun, blah blah, I can find another guy" you text back "ok bye"
she's dread gaming you. She expects you to be scared shes gonna leave, when you show that you dont care it reaffirms that shes the one whos lucky to have you in her life and not the other way around
otakuzod 7y ago
It was just your turn with Paula. Perhaps others will have more detailed insight, but that's my takeaway.
TheTrenTrannyTrain 7y ago
Yes, it's something that I should've known, but forgot completely when I got the oneitis.
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TheTrenTrannyTrain 7y ago
Yeah, writing it all down helps organize my thoughts and make things clearer for me.
Peter_B_Long 7y ago
I was also sad when one of my best plates broke last year.
We met on IG. We fucked on the 2nd date. She was cute and submissive for me. It was great.
She was "special" because she was the first girl I fucked after a 5 year relationship, so it was extra exciting.
She was petite (4'10, I'm 6'3) so her screams during sex were awesome. She's #2 on my top list of girls I've fucked and #1 for blowjob performance.
The relationship only lasted like a month and things quickly began to die down. Taking longer to reply to texts, losing the emotion and spark. Eventually I just told her that I needed to pick something up from her place and I fucked it up more by being a frustrated chump. She ghosted me and
I never found out why(I know why, AWALT).But shit happens and you just move on my dude. Like you, I had another plate and some prospects so I was still looking forward but damn those blowjobs were the best in the world.
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Peter_B_Long 7y ago
Yeah she just stopped replying. I learned from it though. I was trying too hard to be alpha but my actions weren't really backing it up. Like through text I would have a dominant persona (short texts, taking hours to reply, telling her to be ready at a certain time, etc.) but I was honestly getting oneitis. The pussy and the head game were out of this world and I still wasn't over my ex-LTR of 5 years so I was craving some comfort.
When I would go over to her place, I would try and stay as long as I could or have her offer me to sleep over but she would give signs that she wanted me to leave after we had sex. I would also talk too much and say too much about myself when we were out.
I think she also wanted a BB though because this one time I went with her to buy a swimsuit and after she decided on the one, she was handing me the swimsuit before we got in line. I just laughed and told her that the line was moving. I also surprise visited her at work (it didn't cost me anything, she worked at a supermarket that was omw home from the gym.) but I definitely gave off some needy vibes.
It's all good though. She was my first ever plate after finding TRP so of course I was bound to make mistakes and luckily I learned from them.
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Lkeacentipede 7y ago
To not idealize women with whom you have a fun time with is not a quick process.Keep this mistake in mind every time you try to add a new plate until you internalize it and feel glad that you had this humbling experience with no consequences, given how many guys invest years, tons of cash or lose their life's work (through divorce rape) on women they idolized
Thanks for sharing op
yellowboy212 7y ago
mistake 1 you told her that you wanted to see her more (asking for a relationship in a vague way) never bring up being exclusive
mistake 2 you initiated texting then double texted when she didn’t respond (never double text. if she doesn’t respond to text then so be it)
do not reach back to her. you can’t make her love you
TheTrenTrannyTrain 7y ago
1) You mean I should bring up being exclusive? I disagree, I still haven't vet her enough yet. She does know that I'm open to the possibility of LTR and maybe that could've been the mistake.
2) My first text was a simple comment, so I wasn't expecting a reply. The 2nd text was to ask for a meetup, they were 1 week apart.
yellowboy212 7y ago
no i meant the opposite. do NOT bring up being gf/ltr. let her bring it up. if not you know where she stands
i meant you brought up being more by telling her you wanted to spend more time together
it doesn’t matter if it’s simple. she didn’t respond. reward good behavior and punish her for bad ones
TheTrenTrannyTrain 7y ago
You're right, I broke frame when I talked about how I was open to LTR. Should've disqualified her and make her chase me.
yellowboy212 7y ago
you showed your cards. but other than that i don’t really see other mistakes
don’t be so hard on yourself. you’re gonna fuck up. you only want her more because she ghosted you. rejection breeds obsession. don’t let your mind play tricks on you
i’m guessing she is a latina. they’re really good at sniffing out betas and bitch ass behavior
they can be super masculine to betas but will purr like a cat and down for anything
TheTrenTrannyTrain 7y ago
No, she's Asian. This is a tough lesson cause I thought I had TRP internalized, but my emotions and BP tendency creeped up on me during post coidal.
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TheTrenTrannyTrain 7y ago
Weird, I was away for 5 weeks on the first interruption, but only 1 week on the 2nd one. When you said weak text game, do you mean I should've texted her more? I don't think I should because it shows I'm investing more of my time.
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TheTrenTrannyTrain 7y ago
Correct. When I was away for 5 weeks we only exchanged 3-4 texts. On my 1 week off, her last text to me was "Goodnight" which I didn't reply.
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She probably just found someone else, women will respect you less if you validate them too much.
But, you barely gave her any validation, so don't sweat it too much.
TheTrenTrannyTrain 7y ago
Probably, and that's my guess. Of course I have no confirmation now that I'm going no contact. We don't have each other's social media.
kez88 7y ago
honestly in this case i don't think you were around enough. A month break and a weak break and very little contact? Sounds like she was just bored tbh. Women have dick coming from all angles, she probably just found someone else cause you weren't around
TheTrenTrannyTrain 7y ago
Likely, or I broke frame when I talked about open to LTR and she thought I was starting to get clingy. For all I know she's probably banging other dudes.
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uwey 7y ago
Best way to game is to let her think you committed, while maintaining good time investment. Don’t over invest, focus on your career and philosophy.
That is how you make Alpha widows, always.
Make sure all woman you game become Alpha widow. Only one that lingering and have your kid and ask other BB to raise your kid can continue see you.
I would like to have few kids but just be cool biological dad that never need to handle any of the bad side of their life. I only come to bring fun and companionship with good side of them, even a good fist bump to my ex’s current hubby.
“ good job bro for raise my kid!” “Thanks, how is my wife last night?” “ yeah she is great, but that ass and tits don’t last once past 30” “Really? I still jerk on that” “Man just kidding, you know I only here for kids during weekend”
that would be a good run for this life.