This was inspired by someone on asktrp who said someone should write a piece entitled “Tinder is Broken” because they felt that Tinder is a terrible place to pick up women, it’s outdated and we should all look elsewhere.
There are probably a dozen guides on this sub within the last few months on dating apps and men here whine and complain about how much they suck, they never get matched and even if they do then the girls flake and they aren’t getting laid. There are tons of excuses. “The algorithm changed!”. “It’s filled with land whales!”. “Girls are only on there for validation.” Well, here’s the blunt and honest truth. There’s nothing wrong with Tinder. It’s still full of lots of women looking for hookups, dating and even god forbid meeting someone for an actual relationship. You just need to realize the reality of your own situation and change it to make it better.
The attitude that comes out is like people who complain about hating their job or relationship without taking steps to make it better. Stop complaining. Do something or change something to make the game work in your favour.
Men here think that once they match they are going to magically get laid if they spit a bit of game and simply “text for logistics” and then reel when women don’t want to meet them or fuck them. I can tell you that it simply isn’t true. You play the game from start to finish if you want to get the pussy prize at the end. Getting matches is only the beginning, but if you can’t even do that then it’s game over on the first level.
So here’s a couple of simple steps that go beyond “have good pictures”.
Accept Your SMV Level.
Are you a 7? Really? For most women a 7 is someone who is in decent shape, cocky and funny at the right times, has an interesting (not necessarily a big money making) job, and has a couple of other cool things that make him attractive enough that she can tell her friends about them.
I used to be a 7. Through using better pictures, making more money, getting cool hobbies and having better social game I’d say I’m creeping towards an 8 (especially for a guy in his mid 40’s). But here’s the thing – just because you’re at a certain level you can’t expect matching with women whose perceived looks are simply above yours. I swipe right on anyone I find attractive, and I’ve had some surprising matches with some really hot girls (until they open their mouth or you start talking to them). But I don’t expect them. I know that odds are that I’m going to match with a bunch of 6-7 girls because that’s what my level dictates. And that’s fine. I’ll fuck 7’s three times a week while you’re complaining about getting ghosted by an 8.
I've also realized that just because a girl looks hot doesn't mean anything. She can suck in bed, be crazy or a gold digger or text one word answers. Which means she isn't as high as she (or you at first glance) think she is. Learn to weed these out right from the start and don't waste your time worrying about them.
What I also do is tweak my game once in a while – delete my profile and try some new pictures, a new profile or whatever and gauge the response. Am I matching with more attractive girls? Awesome? Less matches? Maybe something changed. I actually use my matches as a good representation of how attractive I am and then strive to improve it.
Know How To Converse
This means via text, apps, and also in person. All of these are components today of successful game with women. The big saying here is “text for logistics only”, which in my opinion (especially when dealing with women in their 30’s and 40’s) is ridiculous. You need to have an actual conversation with the person, ask them out and THEN use for logistics or to maintain a presence, which is sparingly. Learn how to correspond just enough to have a bit of mystery but keep yourself fresh in their mind before you meet them in person.
Then when you’re on a date you need to control the situation. Learn how to have a conversation that makes them want to spend more time with you. This is where seduction techniques come into play – not for the purposes of sex on the first date – but to establish in their mind that you are someone that they want to fuck. Be charming, be witty and be whoever you need to be in order to progress things along. Before, during and after the date are all components of the seduction process.
As an aside, sex on the first date happens but it is rare. Sometimes second, but third date if you play your cards right sex is virtually guaranteed. It’s actually part of our dating culture. So as long as you’re patient and can be attractive enough, it’s going to happen. Don’t blow it by trying to skip a level.
Realize That Women are Online For a Reason
Yes, there are attention whores out there. There are girls who just want to collect matches and show their friends. But a girl doesn’t download Tinder, put pictures on a profile and swipe on guys just for fun for the most part. Girls WANT something out of the experience.
This can come in many forms. Validation is a big one. But if they are single they want more than that. They are craving companionship by a strong assertive male. They want to be able to show off the hot guy they are meeting this weekend. If you’re enough of a catch, they won’t care about paying for meals or where they are going, and they certainly won’t flake. And yes, they want to get laid too.
If you can hack into her motivation for being on Tinder (no, don’t ask her directly, figure it out) then it is like opening up a bonus section of the level because you get to skip right to the end. I’ve had several dates where I’ve just been blunt about what I think their motivation is and I’ve never been proven wrong. Are they lonely? Horny? Looking for revenge? Bored? It really doesn’t matter – figure out which one and then use that to your advantage as soon as you can to get what you both want out of the situation.
She's not wasting your time if she's bored - use her to meet her friends. If she's lonely the seduction process changes, as it will if she's out for revenge. Figure out why she's there in the first place, because there is a reason for it.
There’s nothing wrong with Tinder. You’re just not using it properly for your situation. For sure there are outliers to this scenario but for the majority of men in any average sized city Tinder and other dating apps can be a fun way to meet tons of women, get laid weekly and just enjoy company of new people. Did I mention getting laid?
Instead of thinking there is something wrong with the app, focus on what is wrong with you and improve it if you want better results. Just like many other areas of life.

yomo86 7y ago
The okcupid 'studies' show different results. A male 7 is someone who is in the 9 percentile and up according to a woman's perception. Which is ludicrous. I am quite swole, to a certain degree handsome and have some provider value going for me besides the hard-way learned alphaness. And, I swear to god, I will never be a 10% guy. Tinder is a terrible place because someone who will, not might be, better than you is just a swipe away. It is supplemental at best. Pick your battles wisely. Tinder is fighting a rested enemy, uphill, while it rains, on rocky terrain... and you are naked.
reydemierde 7y ago
At least where I'm at, Tinder has become a cess pool of ugly women. A few years ago when Tinder was relatively new, I cleaned up on there and matched with plenty of 7's, 8's, and 9's, and fucked a whole lot of them. Now, I have to swipe for an hour to find just one 7. They have all jumped ship locally to bumble and/or hinge and/or theleague. Tinder for me nowadays is full of ugly ghetto people so not worth the time or effort.
DarktharionGod 7y ago
I could have had sex with a 5/10 girl yesterday but I got nervous and I told her not to come to my home.
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phoneLinks 7y ago
I've got dates off Tinder, but always lower quality than what I get in person.
Daimonon 7y ago
Simply by the fact women believe they have higher SMV due to tons of dudes matching and starting convos.
It's still a good tool to get easy plates tho.. it just depends on how motivated you are. Post breakup? Then, go for it.
ViktorCage 7y ago
Yeah, go on Tinder but with a fake account, get nudes and you're done. Rinse and repeat. If you think you are going to attract women when your looks are 6 or below, you are living in a fantasy.
RedPilledGodEmperor 7y ago
HAHA. I kind of want to do this. would be funny to get nudes of women you swipe right on that you actually know.
tolerantman 7y ago
Do you look like this? https://i.imgur.com/ryf547W.jpg
If yes, Tinder is perfect for you.
HunterRave 7y ago
BOOOOOOO!!!!!!! BOOOOOO YOU SAD PERSON, BOOOOOOOO
EddTheEdducator 7y ago
I think the piece needed to be said but regardless because some don't get the results they want they will bitch and cry about tinder. I understand if you live in a small town that tinder wont do much. But if you live in a large city like i do, theres mo excuses. There are lvl1 girls to lvl10 girls on tinder, its just about what you can pull.
Guys who are shit at tinder either still haven't learned how to take a few decent pics/ or their conversation skills are still garbage.
Conclusion-Do better.
badbrad247 7y ago
Tinder is a marketing wonder, the poster child for what good marketing does with very little results. Tinder once had its day, it does not any longer. Please stop with the "Tinder is good, you're bad". If you want mediocre women, download Tinder and watch how women who had zero SMV, suddenly become choosy beyond your wildest dreams. Yes, there might be 1 out of 100 that go on out of desperation, but few women will even meet you for a date, after the endless shit tests are given. Its basically playing their Game, and when you give a child (women) the illusion of options, they become delusional at best. I can say that for every dating app, 90% of the time its attention/validation app for women. Get out, spit Game in the real world. You hear all these Tinder stories, yet I could count on one hand men that have had success with anything above HB6. Tinder (or any app) women flake more than anything, there is another beta in waiting. Stop how great dating apps are, they are marketed to people with low SMV to make them think they have options
chinese-bible 7y ago
Tinder is 100% the photos.
I spent a couple years with crap photos. I improved the photos.
Now, as maybe a 7 or 7.5 on there, I bang a chick every month or two off there, but that's with mass swiping and boosts and shit. It's a pain in the ass. The chicks actually look pretty good. I have no interest in banging some mediocre chick really.
Good news is that I bang pretty much every girl I go out with now, most often on the 1st date (usually their idea).
That said, is the reward worth the effort? All the swiping and shit? I don't know. You want to find the 'hot new app' that isn't flooded by desperate chodes yet.
Also can someone invent an app that just 'no fat chicks'? That honestly would save me a fuckton of time sifting thru matches (I generally auto-swipe on boosts). But I know women would be appalled by that idea.
Or maybe not 'no fat chicks' but like "ideal body type" and "my body type" ... then you can exclude fatties.
youngzari 7y ago
Yeah, I've had very similar success as you. But with my new job my time with mass swiping and boost is limited. I'm just not inspired anymore. When I was in London with boost I got 40 matches in an hour, through vetting 4 of them were willing to meet and fuck that night. So yeah, photos are the key. If you travel there's that foreigner advantage. I laughed and totally agree with the fat chicks, too.
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If you have tinder in a college town it's like fishing with fucking dynamite man.
I've probably banged around 8 hot girls this school year by just having a brief 2-3 message exchange then asking them "what are you on tinder for?" They'll give some bs answer like "just looking to meet new people" and then ask me about myself and I'll say "just looking for something casual." Usually after that they say something like "yeah same" and then bam they're usually at my apartment that night or in the next few nights.
Doesn't replace IRL game whatsoever but I've gotten sluts to come over to my apartment at 1am on a tuesday night so it's a great supplement imo.
Kindredvodka 7y ago
Nail on the head. Honestly do not agree with OP's view. It is a good discussion point but truth is most girls have ZERO intention of meeting up. I have matched with girls into the 6-7 range and sometimes above and gotten number but even if you converse, have witty lines, laugh. Chances are out of maybe 20 girls a handful will agree to a date and maybe 1 show up.
Tinder is a crapshoot, I matched with a girl one time who was a decent 6. She told me that tinder was always buggy for her, so message her on instagram. Then I saw an old screenshoot that captioned "LOL maybe thats why tinder is buggy" and under it a screenshot of tinder gold showing she had 3,300 "likes." Which are guys who have swiped right on her already. Let me say that again. THREE THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED guys swiped right on her. A 6. Sorry OP, that doesn't sound like a me problem that is clearly not in anyone's favor. Unless you are the TOP TIER of man. Im talking international traveling supermodel.
They are oversaturated with male attention and affection and not redpill attention. Mostly bluepill, "youre beautiful, you're amazing" blah blah. Why would they need to even meet up with someone who is working on himself and in decent shape with sharp game if she gets all of her dopamine hits from matching with 3,000 guys.
I will stick to real life game, where you have a MUCH better chance of getting together with high quality girls. Other than busted, used, single moms, fat, overinflated ego 4s and 5s etc.
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I've met multiple decent looking girls on tinder and hooked up with some girls as well. It's a you thing not tinder.
atticusfinch1973 7y ago
This is precisely why I wrote the piece. If you're not getting dates then you are doing it wrong. Instead of playing their game, play yours and enjoy it for what it is. Sounds like you had a bad experience and therefore judge all dating apps by the same coin. This is the reality of today and you might as well learn to use it to your advantage.
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mwait 7y ago
I mean, this is all contingent on how attractive you are.
I haven't been on Tinder in a year or so, but I had a lot of success before. Granted, I am a 6'4" white male who looks like Ashton Kutcher... but still, I had plenty of actual dates with girls > HB6.
RedSkeller 7y ago
Tinder is like shopping at a grocery store where all the cans are busted. I've been on it seriously for a year and this all rings true. You have to look at it more like a game than anything else, if you get a date out of it great - if not, entertain yourself. It's designed to be a hook-up/short term dating app and that's it - designed to fail. The women on there are mostly damaged cases and it's no wonder they are single. I've had luck in the past with worse pictures, so I do think it's in decline but by no means no longer viable.
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HerefortheTuna 7y ago
Really? I have girls asking me for dates and texting me to reschedule after I flake. Sure I should be doing more approaches in real life but I’m still having success with plenty of 7s on tinder. At this point I am just going on dates to try out new bars, coffee shops. Lunch spots etc. the danger is I find that I have become a “professional dater” after two months. I’m trying to tone it down a bit and actually find a FWB and focus on other stuff
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Solon64 7y ago
Let's play "spot the incel!"
Nah, just joking around guy, but really, whining about someone else who "got lucky" with genetics is a waste of time, sort of like whining how Bill Gates has billions of dollars. What matters is what increases your successes. You can't control other peoples genetics, but you can certainly improve your own odds.
HerefortheTuna 7y ago
I may have a handsome face but I’m going bald at 26 which is a bummer... I’m half black (and since my dad is very dark I may as well just be full black) so racism. BUT I still put myself out there and take risks even though I may fail. Some girls are harder and usually that means they are better quality. But it’s all a means to an end. I’m taking an active interest in playing the game and figuring out what works for me and what I want in life and that’s all that matters.
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FinallyRed 7y ago
You do realize a professional shot picture is basically magic for your facial aesthetics? But I’m sure that’s way too expensive and this and that reason why you can’t succeed.
HerefortheTuna 7y ago
I said I MAY as in I also MAY NOT....not every girl wants to get with oh well. I’m here to get better and get over my ex and improve my life
TheReformist94 7y ago
So what about my mate who is good looking,and 5'8 and smashed 5 chicks in 7days laughing at how easy it is? You sure about is?
Sorry but OP is correct
EPArt 7y ago
So your saying he does this every week?? if not he may not smash again for 4 years definitely wont mean shit then. Not really for or against just saying whats one week out of 52.
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HerefortheTuna 7y ago
I mean I did 5 new chicks from dating apps in a month. Not proud of the 5 but 2 were 7s and the other two 6s. In the end it was a waste of time and energy but helped me get over my oneitis. Now I’m only bothering to met up with 7s and 8s so the frequency is tapering off
hyperion111977 7y ago
What’s hilarious about this exchange is that it is location dependent and we each rate HBs differently. Your HB7 may be someone else’s HB4.
HerefortheTuna 7y ago
on my scale there are no 10s IRL. you are probably correct but I consider myself a solid 7 at worst. 6'2" 180lbs fit but not jacked, decent job, cool car etc.
I'm in Boston though, which is the land of doughey sixes. If i was to move to say LA id be like a 5 chasing after 4s (my friends out there are struggling hard)
hyperion111977 7y ago
I lived in LA for 6 years. Being British I would have girls fascinated in me just for my accent...and my Porsche (they’re all material as hell over there). I banged some very hot girls, one porn chick. What I found out quickly was that those chicks are mental. My most outrageous dating stories are from my time in LA. Example, these girls who hit their late twenties and haven’t found a rich guy are always complaining about what they used to have. They just don’t realise a hotter girl comes around the corner every week and the guys are wise to this. This one girl, we went back to her place, then she started taking about how she had it good with a rich ex in NYC. Then she said he’d been cheating on her and pulled out 7 sheets of 100 tabs of Viagra from a drawer exclaiming “I caught him with these!” To which I replied “Wait, you packed those and brought them over from New York?!?” That was when I realised it was time to get the fuck outta there.
RedPilledGodEmperor 7y ago
The times I have had success on Tinder have come down to literally escalating sexually to the point where I just come to their place, instead of meeting up somewhere for a date. Only a couple of times where I met them in public for a date of sorts, ended up with us banging. If I had my own place without roommates, it would be so much easier. I missed out on some lays because we both couldn't do it at our place. Just wish rent wasn't expensive where I live, for a 1 bedroom.
The funny thing is how sometimes after I fuck them, they ghost me or decide they aren't interested. And women talk about how often they get pumped and dumped? Women do the same thing.
The thing with Tinder is that you have to sift through tons of flakes and attention whores, to find ones who are DTF. Also, there is the possibility you might have to lower your standards a little bit, depending on where you are.
askmrcia 7y ago
My experience as well and as always women will never admit this because they want to be perceived as angels.
But yea I honestly don't pay attention to women who always play victim. It's always the guys who are the bad guys.
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Lol this. Women fuck and ghost all the time, don’t listen to their BS.
RedPilledGodEmperor 7y ago
Glad I'm not the only one who has experienced this. It happened to me on Sunday. I messaged her Sunday and she responded decently quick. I pretty much offered her a "free massage" and she said it was a tempting offer. After some back and forth with her "hamster" spinning, she sent me her number and snapchat. We exchanged pics and she sent me a full body nude on snapchat and I drove to her place on that same day.
The next day, she said she wasn't interested because we didn't have "chemistry" or some BS. Whatever, I got it in after not having sex for close to a couple of months. I literally went straight to her place and had sex within a few hours of saying Hi on tinder.
The key is really escalating sexually. Just offering to give her a "massage" implies a lot of things, without saying I'm going to fuck you. It's plausible deniability because she can say "well offered a massage and one thing led to another and we had sex"
Not every woman will be down for the "massage" of course, but a woman who says yes to one is most likely DTF, because of the implication (Always Sunny reference, lol).
askmrcia 7y ago
LOL I had the same experience last weekend as well. We matched, I picked her up to take her to some bar. Went back to her place and had our fun.
Also got it in the morning as well so the sex was good. Texted her to link up again this weekend and she gave me BS excuses for Fri-Sun.
And I had something similar happen this past DEC. Matched with some chick, brought her over to my house. We hooked up and she said she was interested in seeing me again and told me to text her. I texted her like a few days later and she never responded again.
So yea I def experienced it on more then one occasion.
RedPilledGodEmperor 7y ago
That happened to me as well. She was actually the one who said that she would be interested in having me over again, before I left her place. Then tells me the next day that she's not interested anymore.
Currently 26, but can't wait to have my own place. Logistics will be so much easier when I do. Will be so much easier to get laid because I can just invite them over and not have to worry about roommates being around (more discreet and she doesn't feel as "slutty")
takewhatsyoursin2017 7y ago
Hey man, solid advice here I think.
I don’t understand either how some guys here swear on never texting or ever having any social. That is all part of game in 2018 and required to at least start developing some rapport / attraction leading into the date. It’s quite bizarre and I question how anyone just using texting for logistics and no social is getting laid and or if they’re a psycho.
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thr0wed_ 7y ago
Sure but in 2018 you're competing with 10 chads, and other TRP'ers on her phone gaming her, etc. You really think your short sentences about logistics only are going to convince this girl to possibly come out on date to figure out if she wants to fuck or not? A lot of guys here complain about flaky bitches not showing up, and this could be one of the causes. Your 2018 texting game is terrible and not making that bitch wet enough to want to meet you.
The real closers are steadily building some sexual anticipation before the date by gaming the bitch a little bit via text game & some good social proof. Doesn't mean you have to text the bitch all day everyday but you need to know how to build attraction on that front too because its 2018 and trust me it won't just happen via your tinder profile pics unless you're a fucking model or something.
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omega_fat 7y ago
No, some terpers advice texting for logistics only, which is a bad advice. Also, "can you make up your mind" what fucked your head so hard you're addressing TRP as a person, and not a group of men with different interests?
daxxipro 7y ago
Didnt read but my experience is this:
IRL: I meet and have successfull dates/fucks with very attractive women.
Tinder: I rarely get matches at all (I dont swipe right on horrific beasts).
Tinder has spoiled girls, but only on tinder.
WholesomeAwesome 7y ago
How long is a date?
How much do you make per hour?
What is benefit of work or date besides sex or $
What is price of escort?
just some questions I would answer.
U-94 7y ago
Bumble is better. They have to message first. It's like the digital equivalent of girl coming up to you at a bar out of nowhere and saying "Hi! I'm __!" It's that easy. Tinder is a mess because girls could get flooded with messages. Christ, I love these apps. No point in ever being in a relationship ever again. It's perfect for guys like me that only need to get laid once a month.
Daimonon 7y ago
It makes no difference.. the entitlement is still there. Most of the time they hit a "hey" and done, they think they've already done their part and you should carry on the convo and qualify yourself to her.
U-94 7y ago
Yes this also happens a lot.
thr0wed_ 7y ago
Yes 100% agreed, bumble is way better and the bitches are less trashy / less whale looking in my opinion.
Still a ton of competition on there though and your game will need to be top notch.
FullThrottleWheelie 7y ago
Finally someone is addressing the bullshit cop outs and excuses the Tinder failures on here always point to. I live in the Bay Area and there are 1000s of hot women on Tinder and Bumble trying to get fucked.
Yes, it used to be a lot easier to match up with hotter women when the only guys on Tinder were the same nerds spending all their time on reddit. Now it is mainstream and you have to compete with the chads and redpilled men who are putting in the work every day.
Go make a fake female profile and scroll through the guys you are up against. You would probably swipe right on some of these guys before even swiping on your own profile!
Why the hell would an HB8 swipe right on your grainy old photos taken off the mirror in your bathroom!? Trust me your pictures suck ass compared to the men that have put in the work.
Dating apps require internet marketing skills and you are the product.
If you want to get laid by HBs on Tinder you’re going to have to put in a substantial level of effort and market yourself accordingly. If you haven’t been committed to the gym to build a body these women are attracted to, then maybe you’re right, you’ll be stuck with the whales and somehow you think you deserve better than the leftovers.
Obviously you are going to have much better results gaming at your local watering hole however, you are getting lucky because there is less selection, so you’re just the best option at that venue, don’t give yourself too much fucking credit.
Listen to OP, quit making excuses deflecting the blame, this is your fucking fault. Read the sidebar, it has everything you need to get your shit together. When it comes to Tinder, building your Thor like body is mandatory if you want to participate but quit blaming algorithms and women, that’s bullshit.
Instead of down voting OP and repeating the same echoes of excuses, get your ass to the gym!
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ZeusAlansDog 7y ago
You have to be a real fucking troglodyte for that to be true.
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Actually you can as it is muscle, bone, and skin; just like the rest of your body. Sorry, can't share my secrets ;-)
BillSander 7y ago
You can train your face. Your face has muscles.
Weight loss for a start, then swallowing correctly (90% of people swallow wrong), gum chewing, proper , and posture. Hell, your feet are connected to your neck via your facia. Look up Dr Mike Mew.
steppenwolfofwallst 7y ago
The only problem is the algorithm, which has gotten more punishing lately, at least for me. I was doing very well in 2017 as an older guy...hot girls in their 20s, many matches, 20+ dates, make outs, sex, etc.
In late 2017, it went so boosts mattered more if I wanted hotter girls. But, boosts delivered. In the last few months, I noticed that even with boost, my prospects haven't been there. I got off and back on, and I might as well have disappeared. I think I'm being "punished" for getting off and on a few times.
Anybody else notice this?
[deleted] 7y ago
Wrong, a girl will download tinder for fun because attention is currency for females. They need male attention to have hobbies, fun, happiness. Think about what a woman talks about with her friends after a date, vs what guys talk about. You could do everything right and a woman will never fuck you because she received the validation and moved on to the next Chad.
MrAnderzon 7y ago
The men that complain about Tinder are not physically appealing to women. Other post have stated to lead the conversation to a meet up asap and not to get carried away answering her questions. This filters out the girls seeking validation only.
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Mid 40s and Tinder ?
Ya f**ked up.
jeromeantoinecarter 7y ago
Honestly believe a mid 40's man who has a good career and taken care of himself has a high SMV to many women of all ages, from mid 20's to post wall... just need to steer clear of the 29 YOs who haven't been married or had any kids.... dangerous.
Personally, I had a high SMV in my early 20's, but didn't realize it fully, while in the army and working out..... lost it after my first marriage, pot belly and low level career... got it all back and then some in my 40's after my second (hopefully last) divorce, with a C suite position, Keto and regular workouts (hair transplants helped too). I have used Tinder successfully, but do find lounges easier.
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The older you get, the more you should be able to handle your shit in the real world and that's even what's expected of you at around that age also. I don't blame them for doing it in a really large city and getting some young girls on occasion but to make it the de facto mode of getting your chicks is the issue.
Congrats on the progress so far though.
THEDICKDEALER 7y ago
Who did your hair transplants? Your story is similar to me with out the divorce.
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How so? If it actually works..
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I guess I should prefix that by saying it as a warning to all the young guys who might read this....
By your 40s you should pretty much be cold approaching or meeting chicks in your everyday environment more than anything else.
I’ve always found tinder to be exactly that- a starter point. If you are new to all this then no hard feelings and keep doing what you’re doing if it makes you happy.
Do not rely on this digital fallback as a substitute for building real approach skills.
atticusfinch1973 7y ago
I'm self employed in a single person environment (therapist). When I'm not working I'm playing sports, doing a hobby or taking care of my kids. Apps are an easy way for me to text, get laid regularly and not have to invest time picking up women using day game. Cold approaching for me is a complete waste of time, in that I'd rather reach out to half a dozen women in ten minutes than approach the same amount in a shopping mall or at a bar.
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I 100% agree with real life (I have been forced to, as I don't look how successful tinder guys look).
However if it's easy access for the OP to vaguely fuckable women, then its hardly a fuck up.
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It's not a fuck up for the OP necessarily especially if he is just climbing out of loser status and getting his act together-good for him if that's the case.
But in general if you receive and take high pleasure from your Tinder matches, houston we have a problem.
johnbranflake 7y ago
Agreed. I live in a conservative town not a big city and I get plenty of dates through tinder. Any lack of success is due to my own poor social skills IRL.
bkrugby78 7y ago
I like this advice, gives me some things to think about. It’s likely I’ve been using these apps all wrong.
asdasda5453 7y ago
I want to install tinder just to fuck with women and maybe get a lay, but my career would be harmed if they snapped the chats and showed their friends or something.
Rollo_Mayhem3 7y ago
Tinder is supplemental. You can swipe for hot young girls and if you manage to plate one or two I would call that a success for a 35yo+ male who works full-time 9 to 5pm and hits the gym hard each day. When I go out, which is really only on Friday and Saturday nights, tinder is not used. I game girls IRL. Sure, if a girl needs tinder she's likely got something going on but if you are not looking to LTR then who cares...you plate them if they are DTF and drop them when you want to.
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[deleted] 7y ago
So many people on this subreddit talk about how looks don't matter, these same people end up talking about how tinder is useless because it doesn't work for them.
Put two and two together.
yomo86 7y ago
Looks don't matter that much, once you have a nice physique and your shit sorted out but when the only benchmark you have, the only variable to judge as an app built-in default, then yes, looks do matter a lot.
ThePantsThief 7y ago
Who on earth on this sub says looks don't matter?
Casanova-Quinn 7y ago
I don't think anyone here literally says "looks don't matter", but some guys do think that game is more important than looks. In person that can be true, but in online/app dating it's usually not. Success in online/app dating is heavily based on your appearance.
[deleted] 7y ago
I've sadly read a few. Most agree you should work out but a decent amount think that things like height, race, and facial aesthetics don't matter.
GoGetting 7y ago
Not every man can get in the top 10% of physical appearance, which has already been proven to be who women on tinder are looking for.
In fact, only 10% can get into the top 10%. Maths.
So reconsidering if dating apps are good for you is wise.
EddTheEdducator 7y ago
The thing is not every woman on tinder is looking for the top 10% of males on tinder. Im not in the 10% and can still pull a respectable amount of matches.
Gr0o0vy 7y ago
it is not about getting a match, it is about what can you do with it...