Hey y'all,
I have been aware of this forum for quite a while, all the way back in high school. I am 25 presently, but over the past several years I would always come back and periodically read the latest posts or the sidebar. I am familiar with the general post format here (present a problem/question and end by suggesting your own solution). I believe I know the general answer already, but I would very much like to get the perspective of those who have actually accomplished what I desire to achieve.
Just to give some context as to who I am: I am a 25-year-old male, and I just moved to Virginia, pretty close to the DC / Arlington area, for work a few months ago. From ages 18 to 22, I spent my college years just going to class and completely avoiding women. I was terrified of social interactions and dealing with a brutal case of oneitis from a heartbreak I couldn't let go of for years. From 22 to 24, I did a master's degree while living at my parents' house. During that time, I opened up a bit and made more friends, but I still barely spoke to women—I spent almost all my energy grinding on my career, gaming, and hitting the gym.
Now that I've moved out on my own, I out-earn most people my age by quite a bit, and I'd even say my physique is a impressive. I'm not super lean and ripped yet, but I have enough muscle mass where it's hard to go a week without getting complimented by random men in a store/gym or a friend group (not younger pretty girls sadly). But while I make some pretty nice money, I am rather lonely. Most of my life right now is just gym, work, and cooking/grocery shopping. I have a few friends in the city, but they are either too busy with their own careers, or they are into partying and drinking, which really isn't my vibe. I am ready to shift gears and focus on meeting women.
I am not 100% on board with spinning plates like some of y'all are capable of, but it is clear that quite a few guys here have it down when it comes to meeting attractive women. I know bars are not really the place to be. I want to meet women of that higher caliber and given the time I have put into my career and gym (plus the fact that I am not ugly), I believe I would fare pretty well.
I know more and more couples nowadays meet via dating apps, so there is no shame in that. Admittedly, I was brutally made fun of when I was younger and in college, and photos of me went viral where my physical features were mocked. Though time has passed and those images are no longer true of my present self, I still remain insecure and absolutely hate taking photos of myself. So, there is some obstacle for me against dating apps.
I spent all my time on my mindset, career, and body, but failed to give a single thought to how I would actually utilize it with women. Now I am trying to catch up on that part of my life. So, I ask y'all: what did y'all do and where do y'all go to meet actual pretty girls? I know some are just hoes and it's my job to filter them out. To be clear, I don't think I am getting ahead of myself. I went on my first few dates recently with a chick I met while rock climbing who kept throwing herself at me, but I ended it because I didn't find her super attractive and she had a few years over me. (I could've worked into something casual, but I didn't feel like it with her). Occasionally I do see very pretty girls out in public, but they are usually in a group or there's some other factor that I end up using as an excuse not to approach. I plan on just shooting my shot the next time I see one I like.
Right now, my current plan is to keep going out to hotspots where young people hang out. I intend to get more involved in running clubs, rock climbing, VOLO sports, and volunteering in these areas. Maybe I need to try to get to work early and leave early so I am in time for happy hour in the hotspot areas. I also believe I just need to man up when it comes to photos and bite the bullet on dating apps.
My primary question is: besides my strategy above, is there anything specific activities or locations y'all would suggest that I am missing or overlooking? I am open to suggestions from everyone, though guys closer to my age would be a little more useful since the dating scene has really changed.
For additional context, I am living quite near the Arlington area, so I am considering sniping at Ballston and Clarendon. If y'all know of specific hotspots for young girls in the Arlington/DC/Alexandria/NOVA area, I'd appreciate the mention.
I should be clear, I still put a significant amount of effort into my gym and career goals, but this is a side pursuit I want to develop properly efficiently.

Vermillion-Rx Admin 16h ago
Meet woman
Talk to her.
Use basic social skills
Run a little game
Make plans
Get digits
Do the plans
Try to get her back to your place or hers
Escalate
Bang
Why do some of you guys make this a rocket science?
If the length and unnecessary details of your post is anything like how you communicate with women you are going to struggle.
brazilianxof 3h ago
It's 1 and 2.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 9h ago
You sound a bit like me when I was a frustrated young virgin.
I'll save you some time and mental anguish:
1) If you lead with being serious and commitment-minded, you're going to turn off and drive away most women (even the good ones)
2) the ones who will be interested in that are Epiphany Phase hobags who are sick of riding the Cock Carousel and want to "stick the landing", and high-earning, inexperienced guys like you are their favorite target. Bonus to them if you're as physically fit as you say.
3) relax and have fun and spin plates. If you really have read the sidebar, you'll recall HSP's Guide to Managing Your Bitches. There's some important shit near the beginning you need to reread and drill into your head.
4) you're more likely to find a worthy woman when you stop trying so hard to look for one and just relax and have fun. That's how it happened to me, and most other people I know.
5) you seem to be pedestalizing women too much. Even the decent ones are still just women.
mattyanon Admin 7h ago
My guess: you have too much body fat. Men are impressed with muscles, women like muscles and low bodyfat. They go for slightly-ripped rather than "pudgy and muscley".
You need to understand that women are the icing on the cake, they are not the solution to not having a cake.
More concretely: they won't make you less lonely. It can FEEL like you're less lonely, but then you are dependent on This One Special Girl.
You fix loneliness by having a diverse group of colleagues, friends and social life that suits you.
Now if by "lonely" you mean "horny" - then yes, women can help with that ;)
Good.
Build your social life.
Bars can work, at least some of the time. You might be able to make this work for you.
Don't discount it.
Danger Will Robinson.
You are hoping to meet "this one special girl" and "a high quality woman". This means you are looking to invest, looking for her to be faithful, and all that stuff. This is slipping dangerously into blue pilled territory.
No woman is worth 100% commitment. They will all fuck you over given the chance. None of them will fix you or your problems.
You need to be more honest with yourself, because again you are hiding behind euphemism.
What does "fare pretty well" mean? Get laid a lot? Meet a "high quality woman"? Have lots of options?
Not just couples, but also (and more often), sex.
Yeah, this trauma will take a little while to get past. Don't underestimate it, but don't hold yourself back either.
Dating apps are brutally hard because men outnumber women 2:1. Many (most?) women on there are farming attention. And they all go for the top 1% men.
Well, those are all good things to have, although your mindset isn't there yet.
Ok, here's your options to meet women:
There aren't many more options.
Highly recommended: avoid dating apps unless you are top 1% looks (6 ft tall, ripped, 6pack abs). Do day game, night game, or both (whichever works for you) Social groups: do everything you can to expand your social life. Groups, meetups, hang out with friends, host parties, set up fun nights out for people.
It's not "shooting your shot". You need to build yourself into the kind of guy who talks to people. That's 90% of the battle. Find ways to rapidly get talking to people. Not just pretty girls, but everyone.
Forget groups of girls, that's fucking suicide.
Two girls though.... you've got a chance. Learn to start the chat. You'll be leading it while they look like deer in headlights. Best option here is coffee - people chilling and some of them will be open to talking to strangers.
The trick is to be attractive, interesting but super low key and non-threatening which means perpetually looking like you're about to leave while also continuing the conversation.
good
"intend to" ???
shut up and go do it.
yes
try it. ditch it if it doesn't work
WanderOverYonder 6h ago
I think the other guys already gave you good advice so I'm going to take a different course.
Judging from your post you care about your career and about earning good money. Don't frame yourself as some late-bloomer-virgin type (you might be, but don't center your personality/ego around that notion) because it will make you seem desperate, even if you have 0 experience you can still score chicks with good talk and rough sex, women don't really care as long as you aren't apologizing or trying to "make up for yourself". Own yourself, and never bet against yourself.
And importantly, you will inevitably end up in a LTR at some point. Don't become a beta provider. Since you're a good earning inexperienced guy there will be a lot of female predators around; yes, there are groups and communities for women specifically for giving eachother advice on how to get themselves a rich nerd. And if you see the first bitch that wants to commit to you as some salvation goddess you will become too invested and that will end up being a terrible deal.
In the meantime a lot of people will shame you because you've been a single nerd for so long and supposedly now it's time to "grow up/settle", it's important that you don't listen to them. You can still make up for a lost time, but you can't make up for getting stuck in a bad LTR or marriage.