Have been having weird dates recently that end in nothing but a k close or nothing at all. I'm not new to escalating and f closing during dates as I've done it before many times. Not sure what's going wrong maybe there's a flaw in my logistics/order of events.
Thanks for all the suggestions on the last fieald report. This time for both dates I suggested I get the first round and she can get the next one instead of me paying for the whole bill.
Logistics were also in place this time. Had a hotel room to myself for my work trip.
First date:
Met with a milf for drinks. Flirty vibe. Kino'd. Invited her back to my hotel (30 min away) but she said she has to go on a work trip tomorrow morning which she told me about before. She seems interested in meeting again over text afterwards.
Second date:
Met with a girl around my age. Flirty vibe once again. Got drinks with her. SHE suggested let's watch a movie after the drinks. This was because we bantered about how she'll hide behind me during horror movies. We smoked some weed outside. Walked to my hotel. Had her in my bed watching a movie. Kino again. Tried to go for the kiss. She said she doesn't do that on the first date and she got out of a relationship recently where she was left with a lot of trust issues etc. Kino'd more but she was not reciprocating much she seemed a bit standoffish. We ended up falling asleep in my hotel bed. Got her an uber back in the morning.
I'm in a bit of a dilemma because this was a work trip I was on. Meaning I have limited time to text, set up a date, and try to f close. It may be that these girls want more than one date to f close. But in a situation with limited time I want to have a fun date but also get intimate.
EDIT: Third-ish date
Forgot about this one. Not really a date but met a girl through a mutual friend at an event. Bounced venues in an uber. Kino and game were on point. Probably the smoothest game I've ever spit. Had the girl obsessed and lost for words because of how I was flowing and the shit I was saying. She forgot her ID so didn't get into the bar. Got her number. Texted her after and she wants to see me soon in my city.

mattyanon Admin 22h ago
fair enough
absolutely fucking not. NEXT.
Here's the red flags:
and worst of all:
The "beta bait" of "my ex boyfriend blah blah blah trust issues".
Don't fall for that shit.
If you give her the 6 months of comfort that she says she needs before you can kiss her, she'll fuck some guy she met at a party before you get a chance to.
The whole line is a disgusting lie, it means "no sex for you, but please do keep the attention and the back rubs coming until Chad gets me".
In the nicest possible way, you gotta always be thinking "fuck me or fuck off". She might need a date or two, but if she's in your bed and won't kiss? Yeah... NO. fucking next her, with prejudice.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 21h ago
I was going to say similar, but got distracted by RL for a bit.
OP @universitythrowaway, time is your most valuable resource. Don't let women waste it.
Related to what matty said: Wait For It? by Rollo Tomassi, which should be on the sidebar under "Rational Male Year One". Read that again, and take this part to heart:
Don't bother telling her off or trying to reason with her. Just drop her and move on. You can be empathetic and understanding, eg "wow, must be difficult", but you don't owe her your time, effort, or attention. If she reaches out to you later and asks what gives, then maybe say "you obviously aren't into me, and that's fine, but I want go be with someone who wants me. Good bye." But your best bet is to just quietly drop her and forget her.
And hey, you have two other prospects! That's great! Get even more!
mattyanon Admin 21h ago
absolutely....... from her point of view she's being entirely reasonable......... "didn't feel like it" is all the justifcation she needs (quietly omitting the "got into guy's bed" part of the story).
logic makes no difference, so don't use it with women.
NeoSpartan 11h ago
She went back to your place, got into your bed and you didn't even kiss?
This seems fake.
Never ever had I once had a date where going back to my place did not lead to sex. That seems insane to me. You are doing something wrong. Most girls strip themselves once we get back to my place. What exactly are you doing once you get back? Are you like... afraid to kiss them or something?
Bro, if she agrees to go back to your house she is ready to kiss. Holy shit.
I think you are just lying.