Been seeing my plate (19 years old) for a few months now. She's proven to be submissive in many ways and has a lot of traditional qualities I like in women. But like most girls of the younger generation she has a bit of a 'men should do everything' view.
A few days ago we were on call and up comes the topic of folding clothes. I then tell her jokingly to come fold my clothes. She replies "no, fold your own clothes" not in a fully joking way either. Now obviously this is a traditional job of a woman. I don't mind following the masculine gender roles if she falls into her feminine ones (cooking, cleaning, etc.). She's already cooked for me in the past too.
I just ignored her point and zoned out for a minute doing my own thing and returned to the call. I know that you shouldn't ever communicate overtly with a woman. Would dread game applied here be way to vague for her to figure out what she said wrong?
I like to keep my bitches in line and make sure they know their place so I don't want them to feel like they can just not adhere to my standards. But communicating those standards on a covert level is the problem.
My answer to this would be dread game. However it might not be obvious to her that she said something wrong.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 9h ago
I swear half the guys on here see some example of an actual alpha-esque guy with frame get away with this, and their take home message is to behave like that man but without any of the actual frame or vibe to make her want to follow it
Time and time again, you guys need to actually have the social accumen to recognize this vibe
And as a man, you should have already had her dying to serve you, But that doesn't happen by context-free copycatting of men who know they are doing by reciting tropey alpha shit for no reason other than that you thought you could just copy it and not know when or why to use, no it comes from having a strong lead, especially earlier on, and to a greater degree than you are imagining is actually required
Where do you guys find these McRedPills at? Yes, you often need to clearly communicate overtly to a woman. Do you use covert communication to tell her where you two are eating? No. C'mon guys
Dear Lord why do you guys almost ALWAYS try to dread women for your own social decificits. This is not dread is for much less how to build frame. Jesus Christ
If you HAD great frame she would love being feminine for you. You have not established that
Lol. You want girlfriend behavior from a woman who is not your girlfriend yet? That is unlikely. However a lot of women who are auditioning for girlfriend will act like one or try to.
She clearly doesn't believe in this but what guy can't or won't fold his own clothes. It is not the 50s. My girlfriend doesn't even fold my own clothes. Why would she?
Does she live there??? Do you both put your laundry in the same load like a married couple? Then why would she do this for you?
Sometimes I get on here and mistake it for AUTISM.RED
you guys need to stop LARPing as alpha males and build the kind of vibe where she likes doing those things OR find a woman who already follows tradition to a T. You guys have completely unrealistic expectations of your (not even girlfriend) much less how to achieve these outcomes and then go punish the woman for your own flawed covert expectations
Sometimes they DON'T MEET YOUR STANDARDS
that is what VETTING is for. If she does not meet your standards your job is to either find a woman who DOES or have FRAME
not whatever needy dismissive crap you settled on doing
universitythrowaway Should i (x1) 8h ago
I’m not larping. This is my existing frame with her already “get in your cage”, “get on your knees for me”, “shut up and look pretty”. All of which she complies with. Just looking for tips on getting her to explore more facets of her femininity. My gf (not current plate) already washes my clothes and folds them. So I know what girls will do when they fully submit.
Obviously vetting them early on you won’t know what she’ll do as she gets more invested.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 7h ago
Hold up. I am so confused. You have a girlfriend and current plate?
cundardunfinished 5h ago
Dread game can rarely work as an overt intentional act. It's more of a consequence of how you otherwise carry yourself and maintain your SMV. If you are going to the gym, you are introducing dread. If you have a strong social game, dread. If you dress well and women flirt with you, dread. It's something you can enhance by being aware of it and not stepping on it (not going out of your way to allay fears or give reassurance, which sometimes can be a natural instinct in other contexts but can backfire with women).
Dread is also not all about you but about you in relation to the woman. Dread is less likely to work with a 19 year old, assuming she's attractive she has limitless options. So spitballing I think your SMV has got to be like 4 points higher than hers to overtly implement dread with any chance of success. Then you're in territory where why even bother playing games with this low value woman.
I'd also add that you can't correct a woman's every action, like as small as a single thing she says to you. Trying to do so is a type of scarcity mentality. If you had abundance, and this chick was causing problems for you, why would you bother fixing her and not just spend time with a different one. She give one response you don't like and she has you thinking up a master plan and posting about it . . who is really in control here.
Overkill_Engine Endorsed Contributor 3h ago
All correct. People keep trying to use RP principles as a paint by numbers guaranteed pussy password with a specific woman in order to fix their relationship with a specific woman without realizing that was never the point.
Doing so is just a massive case of overinvestment/scarcity with a RP veneer.
You can't fix a woman. Only she can fix herself. A man's only duty is to be awesome enough by investing in himself that she could want to. And if she fails to make that choice, enact the deserved consequence; leave!
Simple as.
Musicgoon78 3 5h ago
FFS.....
Today is the day of larping retards apparently. She doesn't fold your laundry because you don't inspire that in her.
If you think dread is about getting a woman to do your laundry, you are completely lost. Drop this alpha tough guy shit. You sound completely clueless and your "bitch" had zero hesitations or qualms about telling your lazy ass no.
Stop playing tough. You obviously have no idea what the fuck you're doing.
SwarmShawarma 2h ago
You did joke she shit tested, you dropped the subject, end of story. She noted the expectation. Whether shell do it or not it'll give you a clue later. If you ever plan to be normal just politely steer her toward doing stuff for you, just be consistent, not pushy, unless you want a bitch following military orders and her feeling resentment at some point, later. If you got dredd coming from your frame, she'll oblige
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. You were overt to fold clothes (might be funny way to come and fuck), she has to know some expectations, you dont need to be pushy, it will fall in places or not. Making her help to fold, would be an example of next step.
Try to covertly communicate to her that your favourite sculpture always stands 20° to the west otherwise its finished.
You can force bitches to do things, what you plan as well is what the long-term outcom will be. Unless not important.
Your wording feels a little fake and over the top.
First-light 2 1h ago
If you see this from her point of view, she asserted her frame and you sulked a bit.
Its like her telling you to take the bin out because its a man's job and you saying "No" and her sulking a bit.
If these things are important. she won that one. However, I am not sure how much you can or really should care about plate behaviour on these things. How often does a plate do your laundry? You have a girlfriend already who does that you say. You don't get a plate to do laundry, you get a plate for sex. I can't see how her doing your laundry is going to make a big impact on the sex.