I thought I would have had this shit handled by now after countless relationships, but I still don't, and frankly it's embarrassing and I'm ashamed.
I'm referring to neediness. I never once begged this girl to get back with me at least, but it's this survival mode kind of haze I've been in ever since we had issues and broke up. I keep digging and digging the hole deeper trying to salvage whatever might be left of the relationship with one more message, and then another, and then another, and I can see myself doing this cringey shit after the fact, but in the moment I'm awash with emotion/anxiety and whatever else. I am not in my normal state of mind. I am constantly inbetween trying to fix things, and then trying to do damage control because I regret trying to fix things. I look fucking crazy.
The thing is, I know better than to behave like this but I don't know how to control the impulses and the urges to try and "fix" things, rather than just saying "fuck this bitch" and simply letting them go. Instead, I unwillingly opt to throw more and more of my dignity away until I don't recognise who I am in the mirror anymore.
It was like this in the last relationship too, but at least that one had a longer lifespan so I guess there was some leeway for how pathetic I behaved. This one there are no excuses for - I went into it strong, thinking I had my shit absolutely handled, and then the second things started to take a turn, I gradually lost my frame and then before you know it, it's all gone because I couldn't simply let her go.
Please try to help me make sense of this. Is there something fundamentally wrong with me? I don't want to have to spin plates just to have outcome indepence, you should be able to access that frame regardless. Surely there is a way. Whatever it is, please help. I never ever want to behave like this again. I am disgusted by my behaviour and I'm sure it's the source of all my relationship failures. Maybe it's an unresolved fear of abandonment. Fuck knows.
How do you build the strength and composure to be able to just walk away, even when it's eating at you? How do you do what's right and masculine in these situations?
Everything else in my life is handled, but for some reason regardless of being with over a hundred women, I still have this little bitch in me that eventually rears its head. It doesn't matter how long it takes, eventually it always does and it's usually when things begin to go south. I want to kill that.
mattyanon Admin 1d ago
First step is to make yourself do the right thing and not do the wrong thing, regardless of instincts.
"I feel like a little bitch, but I'm going to behave like I'm not, so I won't message her".
Gradually through doing the right behaviours, you'll learn to have the right feelings.
Basically you don't give in to your inner little bitch, until you learn to properly run things in your life.
If you are behaving like this then you can't handle a LTR.
Thing about a long term relationship is that you are playing 100% in her court. She is more likely to decrease sexual interest. She is more likely to financially profit. She is more likely to be uncommunicative and say things like "you should know what's wrong". She can get laid in an instant, you can't. The whole deal is 100% biased against you and in her favour.
And at some level you know this, and you have committed to her, and it fucks with your head.
The solution is to ditch exclusivity. Just don't do it. If she demands it, then find another two girls who don't.
No, but your feelings are evolved for a villlage of 100 people. We are now in a village of 7 billion people, and this works against a lot of your feelings.
But if you are exclusive you will not feel like you have outcome independence because fundamentally in a relationship you do not have outcome independence. It matters. The costs of losing "this one" and finding another are high, so you emotionally commit, and she exploits that.
The solution for most people is to couple up with someone who has even greater abandonment issues.
LTR is hard. You need to not care too much, and yet you have to make all the right moves like you do care.
They are fucked up.
Run things right from the get go so that she knows that you can and will walk away if it sucks for you. Realise that one day you WILL walk. Don't view things as permanent. Don't accept less than awesome from her.
You can't kill it, you need to fix it, whatever it is.
MidgetSpinner 1d ago
Dude, this is a high quality post. I have to add something that I only just realised myself though.
Pretty much the whole time since me and that girl started breaking up, I was using ChatGPT to diagnose our issues and assess her feelings for me, lmao.
I didn't realise in the moment how cringe this was because I so wrapped up in my feelings and the convenience of asking that slop questions is too easy. I've just snapped out of it and deleted that fucking app. I didn't realise what the fuck I was doing, but I must have been using it for reassurance, but it's like getting advice from a super redditor. I'm actually cringing thinking about this now.
mattyanon Admin 1d ago
Look, these chatbots are fab, they really are. They are great for technical subjects, research, health issues. Used carefully they can increase your productivity.
But they are trained on real world data, and they are vetted by corporations for social acceptability. That means, as with fucking everything, that sooner or later it is going to be prioritising female interests over yours. Because the second they don't, the TikTok brigade will be demanding Sam Altman's head on a platter.
right
Keep it for health and technical subjects.
Don't use it for emotional support. It's going to be like a bad counsellor...... always prioritising "communication" and "just talk it out" and "be good to each other" and shit like that.
Chatbots are never going to tell you to run dread game and find better options for yourself.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 22h ago
Honestly my first answer has NOT changed based on the title
Boundaries) the second a woman starts destroying your peace enforce the boundaries you already should have had. Instead of letting bitches walk over you and eat at your headspace, leaving you weakened for the next girls
Self worth) what even is your mission? Do you have an ounce of journey or are you just coasting from one low value vagina to the next? Get a mission. You're all about acquiring women but too "picky" to just have some around for a quick release.
Your problems are entirely self inflicted. Your priorities and mental models are near complete ass and you are going to keep falling into the same problems on repeat if you don't fix it
You've had allegedly 100 women but what do you have to show for it? Get a mission and start respecting yourself. By being so "picky" you are also putting women on a pedestal
You don't need to spin plates to have abundance. Knowing you COULD have but don't NEED women is abundance mentality
Your thought process is just straight ass dude. You are doing this entirely to yourself
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2d ago
Based on title:
Boundaries and self worth. An added dose of bad experiences if you are a slow learner
Will read full post later
MidgetSpinner 2d ago
I might be slow as fuck, man lol, but I await your fully reply. Appreciate it.
Overkill_Engine Endorsed Contributor 2d ago
I want to emphasize this part. You may have to have enough bad experiences to force you to hate and loathe those little bitch impulses with a murderous fury that overrides any comfort you might get from surrendering to them.
MidgetSpinner 2d ago
I've had loads of bad experiences with women (and good ones TBF) - lots of learning lessons, which is why I thought I would have handled this situation much better, but I didn't. I still have that fucking bitch inside of me that acts impulsively and emotionally.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 22h ago
Dude I seriously suspect your self reflection is very low if 100 women have not taught you a lot
MidgetSpinner 2h ago
I didn't have a relationship with them all lol. I actually reflect a bit too much as well, I just don't know what happened here.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2h ago
You're not understanding what I am saying
You are under-reflecting things a man should focus on and over reflecting on meaningless whore stuff
Musicgoon78 3 2d ago
Brother, you're dealing with an illusion right now. You've got a story in your head that isn't real.
I get it. Some of the girls I've dumped or simply pushed away have made me think of my actions. Even if something isn't working out or you two aren't vibing doesn't mean that it feels good to let go of a relationship. It sucks bro!
Now let's get down to the truth: It didn't work out between you and this chick. You pushing for another chance really just digs the grave for this relationship deeper and deeper. Stop digging.
You've got to walk away despite the fact it's eating at you. You build the strength by doing the hard thing. Cut the cord.
Usually, lack of abundance is mixed with fear. Its that voice in your head denying that things aren't working. There's also undertones of how hard it is to move on and this overwhelming urge to place blame somewhere: "This is my fault".
You can't blame nature. It's simply a mismatch. Allot yourself some time to feel sad or whatever. Lean into those emotions. Then when that time has passed take action. Keep yourself busy with tasks like gym and work. In between these tasks, take time to talk to other women and enjoy your friends and family. This will help you feel connected and whole again. There's a shit ton of awesome women out there. They won't be the same as the girl you had, but still awesome and sexy in completely new and different ways.
Face the truth head on brother. The only way to get over this is to go through it. There's a bright light on the other side.
Mountainman 1d ago
The fact that you guys are in relationships with women you don’t vibe with makes me realize I’m more fucked than I realize.
I dated a chick who pulled my pants off and blew me twice but then left me on delivered for 3 weeks after a bad joke. I must live in a different reality
Hugo_The_Great 2d ago
I think what it all comes down to is how do you deal with insecurity.
When she acts bitchy/cold/ignores/withholds sex or any other shit test. Worse: you are so insecure that you think she's shit testing you while she just wasn't thinking about you because she was busy.
Guys without abundance lose their frame. Get angry/sperg out/become silent etc. Then they try to hold on to a sinking ship. Guys with abundance will initially view her flakiness positively; O she's probably just busy/sick whatever, and so I am free to do X tonight.
If you're in the right headspace, you give someone the benefit of doubt initially and after a few strikes, you recognize the ship as having started to sink and you walk away. Simple as that. And you can do so because you know you can get another girl like her easily. Or you already have several lined up. She ain't that special.
I don't think the insecurity over losing a cool girl ever goes 100% away. But everything depends on how you handle that insecurity. Do you let it drive you and drag you through the mud? Or do you say fuck it, I may have lost this battle today, I'll retreat for now and continue the fight tomorrow by getting an even cooler chick,
Lone_Ranger 3 2d ago
Lets start with the good news: you are becoming aware of your issue. You seem to see and know that you are doing something wrong.
That's great. It's a crucial first step.
It's necessary but not sufficient. You are going to have to pick yourself up and build yourself up. I used to be skeptical (I was wrong) about the standard advice of 'go to the gym' but now I see the value.
When you find yourself ruminating, immediately slap it down, and do somethign (anything) that is worthwhile. go for a run, spend 20 minutes doing your taxes, or go to the gym. Avoid anything that is 'worthless' (like youtube).
Treat intrustive thoughts with the disrespect that they deserve. Cut them off at the pass.
It's all brain training. treat your brain like a dog. Puppy dog shits the floor and is parking? slap it on the nose. It soon learns. Intrustive thought show up, gets shown the door. It works. Trust me on this.
Also - personal tip - try something new, something that you like. Like a bicycle. Or a new activity which includes the companhy of other men. Like a chess club, or a debate society or drama or whatever is your flavour. I bought a motorcycle when my marriage was imploding and I am so glad i did. After a few weeks, I realised that I had forgotten what it was like to do something that i liked, just for me.
Hugo_The_Great 2d ago
I don't think that doing something productive is any better than doing something unproductive to get over her in that moment.
The crucial difference is that doing something productive actually translates into some form of result over time. Be that a good physique/competence/money. And that improvement results in more confidence and ultimately gives you more optionality by increasing your attractiveness.
Basically, if you're going to feel like shit, at least get something for it in return down the line.
Lone_Ranger 3 1d ago
I disagree Hugo - doing something productive in the moment does actually change things.
It retrains your brain away from rumination. Lots of people have tried this, and had postiive results.
The fact that you actually get something positive out of it (tidy room, go for a run) is just an added bonus, a postitive side effect.
I prefer this method than, meditation, shall we say, because I regard meditation dead time.
TLDR: just get up and do something (anything) productive. It will help.
Lone_Ranger 3 2d ago
ps. whenever I see your profile pic, it looks like you are wanking into a bathroom sink.
MidgetSpinner 2d ago
Hahahaha. Wouldn't be my first rodeo
SwarmShawarma 2d ago
Never looked, but now that you say...
Also hunching like being afraid to be walked on
MidgetSpinner 2d ago
It's a still from a video of me playing drums.
Hugo_The_Great 2d ago
For me, what made all the difference looking back was getting the first girl who treated me like a king. Not because I did shit for her, just because she found me that awesome, wanted to prove herself to me and be with me. When you know that's how they treat you when you're their #1, you're no longer interested in anything less.
Actually, you start being happy when they get flaky because you know the effort you were going to have to put into her wasn't worth it. All you can do is improve yourself as much as you can and meet as many women as possible. When it becomes obvious you're not #1 for any specific woman, which can be after 10 seconds or a month of dating, walk away with your head held high and the conviction that a girl will come along who does appreciate you.
Mountainman 1d ago
I’m truly blown away by this mindset…you’ll just find another.
MidgetSpinner 2d ago
I like this perspective.
She did treat me like a king initially. Her interest level in me was extremely high, but I pointed out some of her red flags early on and instead of walking away sooner, I made her feel bad about them and then apologised for it, and then I began to lose frame as she began to retreat emotionally. I started to chase basically, and then arguments evolved. I messed this up by sticking around and trying to repair what damage I did all the while digging a deeper hole.
throwaway415 1 2d ago
gftow.
abundance will solve your problem.
MidgetSpinner 2d ago
It's not that simple for me right now. I'm struggling to get any women atm. It certainly isn't my looks. On top of that, I'm picky anyway. There are a few girls in my immediate orbit I could probably fuck, but I don't want to fuck any of them. Even her own sister last night was trying to come on to me, and she's not bad, but still not my type - not interested at all.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 22h ago
Why? You don't have to marry them all
Self inflicted contradictory Chicken egg bullshit
Get off your high horse