I've just recently ended a fling with a 24 F who has admittedly had long term mental health issues due to various prior events of trauma. We weren't serious, mainly because of the mental health issue (she took ADHD, sleeping, and I believe antidepressant drugs). This made me think of all the other females with mental health issues I dealt with and how they all fit the same profile: prior trauma, heavy anxiety (usually manifested as being relatively easy to bag), and, under normal circumstances paradoxically, seeing a therapist for years. Despite these long term relationships with their respective therapists, in every case the females are obviously stunted emotionally with the exception of being fully aware of their trauma induced mental state. Men, on the other hand (in my experience), are far more effective at using therapy to better their engagement with others. Why are these therapists getting paid if the only thing they are doing is explaining to the females why they're messed up mentally? Why is adaptation and correcting of antisocial behavior not a part of the therapy?
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AbusiveFather1 1d ago
no
men are more self-aware and more motivated to change for the better because they're not offered things on a silver platter and won't be catered to just for existing (chris rock: pussy costs money, dick is free)
because they're giving people what they want: the appearance of working on their issues (actually working on them requires effort and sacrifice, something that is alien to women)
AbusiveFather1 1d ago
for example think of a professional fighter with an overinflated ego that surrounds himself with yes-men coaches that hype him up when they know he sucks. said fighter also immediately fires coaches that actually tell him that he sucks and needs to work his ass off or he will get manhandled in his upcoming fight.
Redpillpusher 1d ago
Great analogy
mattyanon Admin 1d ago
They ALL have past trauma. Every. Single. One. Of. Them.
I get sick of it........ like women are deeply traumatized, but men are not allowed to be.
Look.... fundamentally..... HER trauma is HER problem.
Right.
Good money to be made there.
right
not sure about that
because they like money?
because they like money?
Redpillpusher 1d ago
Excuse my naivety, but I thought therapist as healthcare professionals should be focused primarily on the betterment of their patients rather than money. But, again, excuse my naivety. And do you personally know any men who have gone to therapists for years and are still basically mentally messed up?
AbusiveFather1 1d ago
not in this timeline
mattyanon Admin 19h ago
How many people do you know with this level of integrity?
I mean...... SOME are focused on their patients...... but most people, most of the time, are getting as much money as possible and justifying it later.
BeeSerious9 17h ago
I have met trained counselor, works for practice, has own patients.
I suspect this is most messed up person I have ever met, she doesn't show any emotions because it seems she doesn't have any, she likely is psychopath, she has no tonality in her voice all is bland, when I fucked her she didn't make any sound, there is no standards who messes with your head.
If one wants to choose a counselor or psychologist, they should rely on someone healthy, well meaning and smart to do it for them.
cundardunfinished 1d ago
I would guess there is more pressure for a man to effectively change his personality defects because his personality is the basis of his livelihood and sex life. A woman can just show up and be batshit crazy and still make it through life.
No-Stress-Cat 1d ago
Yes, it does.
On the patient side, you have the woman being told, "You're special. You're great. There's nothing wrong with you. It's all the men that's the problem." She walks away with an inflated ego and good feelings.
On the therapist side, you have the woman getting paid. Women love to get paid. "I'll see you again next week! Be sure to bring your credit card!"
Musicgoon78 3 1d ago
Why would therapy work when you don't even have to be remotely accountable for your problems? Just complain, shit out a kid or two and let the government and simps provide for you. Women (the vast majority) don't have to and usually don't want to put in the work.
First-light 1 13h ago
You get to be a victim. You get to confess all you have done wrong and get praised for honesty and a desire to improve. You get to vent, rant and seek scapegoats and someone still listens and tells you you are normal and worthwhile. You might get diagnosed with a label that makes you more special than other people like "trauma".
Yeah that works for women.
Does it improve them at all? I have no idea but if it does its not by much because messed up women that have had therapy rarely ever come over as normal, so if there is any improvement it is marginal.
AlexFromEurope 3h ago
From my experience:
Because they provide something their clients value: attention and the feeling that they’re “working on themselves.” That makes people feel good. And for therapists, the business model is simple - income depends on clients coming back. So yes, a therapist actually loses money if a client no longer needs them. Some therapists have integrity and won’t just take the easy way - they’ll call patients out on their BS and push them when necessary.
It is - if the patient wants it. Even the best therapist can only explain, challenge, and guide. If the patient isn’t motivated, they won’t act. And without action, nothing changes. Many patients are satisfied with the attention & praise they get in therapy and outside (friends ...) ~ and actually, are comfortable in this situation, and fixing the problems is not even the priority anymore. That’s why “psychoanalytic therapy” (lying on a couch, just talking while the therapist listens) often shows little effect. In contrast, CBT (cognitive behavioral therapy) works - if the patient is motivated enough to do the exercises and change habits.
But even then, change is hard: the likelihood that a personal change dramatically is low even with therapy. More often than not people stay who they are.
Redpillpusher 36m ago
Very insightful, esp. your distinction between psychoanalytical & cognitive behavioral therapy. You're right, you can lead the elephant to water but you can't force it to drink.