Got a new gig but had to lie about my previous job as it ended with me using lawyer due to to employer negligence. And it got me between a rock and a hard place.
Since then I did other sort of job that is only a little connected to my previous role. While I claimed I'm still with the old employer.
New place uses security check and it will eventually check employment history amongst 10 things on the list to check: criminal hist, education, etc.
Sec check company will require me to complete my employment hist once again.
I have two options on my mind:
- go with what I was saying
- get back to the company and say I was selling BS
@Lone_Ranger because youre in UK and maybe have some exp.
What is the best thing to to? Any opinion welcome.
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Musicgoon78 3 1d ago
Sometimes people get away with lying. Sometimes they get caught. This is life.
Bozza 2 1d ago
Don't say, or do shit.
You've probably ballsed this up with your second line:
But this MAY be recoverable.
I'm UK based. The positive thing is that unless you work for a small SME kind of employer you MIGHT be fine.
Employers will give limited information in a reference - your position, and the dates worked. Generally, that's it. Employers are so scared of being sued, that that's all they will provide and you can use that to your advantage. If they provide "opinion" then they potential open themselves to lawsuits. So any large.medium sized company will only provide extremely limited information.
I would advise you to say NOTHING. Do NOTHING.
Let the employment checks take place. Assuming you worked for a decent sized company, your gross negligence or whatever reason you needed to leave won't be mentioned.
Best case scenario is that no employment check takes place. They don't bother doing it. They can't contact your reference, whatever. It's a long shot. But also not unlikely. It's happened to me quite a few times. Not all companies check - but it does depend on the company, your position within the recruitment process etc.
If you've managed to side step the recruitment process by having an "inside contact". They really want to hire you (good candidate). Small company you're joining. Then you might get lucky and not get checked.
If you're joining a big company, with processes in place, and no recruitment side step - you're gonna get checked.
Next best (and most likely scenario) is you do get checked and they provide minimal information.
Problem you've got, is that you're claiming you've worked at this company when you didn't. This might fuck your right over.
If it's only been a short period of time, you MIGHT be able to blag some sort of mix up with dates or whatever.
If it's been longer than a few weeks, you might have snookered yourself. You'll need a good story for why you're claiming you work somewhere you don't.
BeeSerious9 1d ago
@Lone_Ranger @First-light
Thanks for the input. It makes my head working.
I will address some details that didn't come across exactly as they should.
You don't really need to read I write it as it might help me process the thoughts.
I had to leave previous place with the experience relevant to a new gig as I had an accident and lawyered up. Except that bs with date there is nothing in my history.... oh and except TRP :) [they will also be checking my socials presence apparently]
I agree on that, yet bosses there are definitely not giving shit about law, seen it many times - in the open. My accident, I sue them [insurer] for, is one of the examples.
they are a major company in the sector and have either external company or sister company to perform the checks - I'm going to research the procedures once finished writing this.
yeah - date won't match, this is where I like Lone_Ranger's idea of giving right info and counting on that only passed/failed check will be reported. Need to research procedures and report template.
they don't, generic form
haha
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1d ago
Any time you lie, or want to lie, assume someone will find out somehow some way.
If you're not willing to incur them finding out, don't lie.
BeeSerious9 1d ago
I will accept the outcome as it is - not that I will have a choice.
https://youtu.be/G2ybcelBWE4
Lone_Ranger 3 1d ago
Don't overestimate the abilities and coherence of the HR dept.
So you said one thing in your interview, and it seems like you are going to have to say another thing to the background check company.
Tricky one to answer. Without knowing a lot about it, I would be tempted to tell the truth to the check company, without revising the story with your employer company.
One of the things that might trip you up is that they might request your previous p45 document (or whatever that is called now), which will have your tax code on it. That is if you are PAYE.
You may be overestimating the efficiency of the sec company that does the checks. They likely have a bunch of min wage NPCs doing the actual work, and you can bet they are all incompetent and retarded.
Retardation is your friend in this sense. this is how so many people get away with tax dodging in the UK - the quality of the people in these low end jobs is so low, and they care so little about the quality of their work, that it lets you get away with almost anything.
For example - my friend asked me about a situation - he had qualified for bank account, but one of the conditions was that he didn't have any other bank accounts in the UK. He said he didn't - and go the account. But he has several other bank accounts. Then he got all worried and asked me what should he do if they 'found out'. I point blank burst out laughing. He has no idea of the chaos, utter chaos, that is going on behind teh curtains in any given UK organisation.
Another friend of mine has a mortgage with one bank, and another mortage with anotehr bank on a house that he rents out. He nervously asked me 'what if they find out?' (condition is that he can only have one house, to get the lower rate). Again, I fell about the room laughing at the idea that a UK bank has the resources or brain power to 'find things out'. They are barely functional behind the scenes. I reliabley informed him that there were many customers of that bank that had SEVERAL mortgages WITH THE SAME BANK all on the condition that each one of those mortgages were the 'principle and primary residence'.
they have no way or appetite to find out. they are clueless.
First-light 1 1d ago
Odds are you will be OK, probably its worth gambling on this one because if you win, you get to keep the job and get back into being able to tell the truth next time you get a new employer. Overall its worth the gamble because -as others have said- checking references is a bummer, HR departments are full of empty headed females and anything meaningful is on a back burner. Furthermore, companies are quite limited as to what they are allowed to say legally. It has to be positive. A bad reference is "Turned up some of the time" Not "Dreadful employee, often late, took sickies to go on holiday, complained instead of worked to solve anything. Avoid this selfish muppet"
I have only had good employees ask me for references and so I want to praise them but many times you don't even get to write what you actually think about the guy on a reference. The employer sends out a form and you give multi choice answers. I have yet to see one with anything about employee complaints or legal cases on it. It would be illegal as it would black list a whistle blower. Big companies like it standardised. Its the dates that will catch you out but people may not check and they may not be arsed to raise it when the dates don't check out because its friday and the girls have a prosecco machine in the office.
Even if you do check out wrong, you can then say you did it because you were afraid of being discriminated against as a whistle blower. (Victim, needs protecting, afraid of another abuser sort of thing) You might still get away with it then. For one thing once they know you are are not to be trusted, they don't want to vex you or you may hire a lawyer on them too. maybe you will just work out this time or go away.
People change jobs so often in many industries that they are not really worth investing in because they are nearly all going to monkey branch anyway. So employees are a bit like plates for the companies not LTRs. You try to vet for plates but once you have a plate that is working out, why worry about a vetting failure? What's the worst that can happen? -you have to sack them and go through the whole re-hiring nonsense and expense again. Ah but you would have to do that if you sacked then now, so why not just keep them until the plate breaks? Its cheaper for the company. If the plate is not working out then their lying is a great way to next them but if they are actually OK, so what? Its a plate.