Is now a decent time to purchase a house?
Simple answer no.
My thought processes is despite being in a position to purchase my first home, I should bite the bullet and rent a house for the next year in hopes the covid bubble is deflating.
Homes on the market past 60 days is up almost 50% over last year. Bidding wars seem to be going out the window.
I can definitely rent another year and wouldn't feel like I'm losing out on anything ut the 15k for rent going into someone else's pocket instead of building equity.
There no houses in my price range that really pop to me. End goal is purchase my grandparents place off my Mom but they could stay kicking for another 10 years.
No plans to leave this area for at least the next 9 years.
Kloi 1d ago Stickied
Appreciate the replies. Essentially everyone's opinions is if I can, go for it.
pofkaf 1 2d ago
Not related to TRP. But I'll bite.
Generally there isn't a "good" or "bad" time to buy real estate. That "bubble" isn't going to burst. The best piece of advice is to buy a house that you can afford, when you can afford it, and because you want to own the property that you live in.
And as a general rule of thumb when it comes to investing in any security or asset...time in the market > timing the market. Which means that investing in something long term almost always yields higher results than trying to play the game of "buy low, sell high."
Speaking from the experience of buying a house roughly 5 years ago, and managing my own stock portfolio.
First-light 1d ago
I have been waiting for the housing market to meaningfully fall for the last 30 years. My father said it wouldn't as he had never seen it do so. He was right.
In the end I just got on with it, bought 3 houses in that time, sold 2 and bought the other half of the third off an ex. Each time the house was worth rather more than when I bought it.
Until they sort immigration and planning regulations out and all the costly woke shit that has to be put into a new house, stop paying government benefits to let bums and losers rent houses for free (which creates a landlord market to compete with the home owner market and the lower end) the market won't meaningfully fall.
You might get lucky and get a bit of a discount to last year's prices but the market rises many more years than it falls. Odds are while the market rises, your capital will sit dwindling thanks to inflation plus rent. In a market with a strong up trend year on year, the trend is your friend. Like pofkat says, time in the market in this kind of market is better than trying to time it.
The big kicker in waiting for the market is the inflation. This fiat bullshit is designed to reduce government debt by reducing the value of currency gradually over the years. If you are going to win by being out of the housing market, you need to be in a lucrative and fairly stable investment that outstrips inflation plus your rent. Those are pretty hard to find and when a man does find them he spends the rest of his life saying how smart he was when maybe he was just lucky.
My assistant has gone on a red pill journey in the 12 years I have employed him. He was paying the rent for a slut who made him sleep on the sofa unless she was drunk. He now lives rent free on his family's farm in return for some chores, dates women without cohabiting and saves almost all that I pay him. However I fear he may never get the house he is saving for thanks to the inflation on his savings which he fears to invest and keeps in an instant access savings account. Its like taking 2 steps forward and 1 back again each year. Beware the inflation.
Lone_Ranger 2 1d ago
Not related to redpill ....but still interesting.
There is a phrase in the trading game 'never wait for the rate'.
It's very true. People get caught out all the time by trying to time the market, esp on the short side.
Here's a question: what do you think will happen if there is a meaningful decline in property values?
Answer: well, in the last 20 years, the answer has always been - the gov will start up the printing presses. They are far more afraid of asset price declines than they are of inflation. They do not care about inflation - inflation is their friend. Inflation erodes the value of their huge debt pile, and pushes up nominal GDP.
You are making the mistake of evaluating the economic variables (which look quite grim) and not paying attention to the likely response of the gov and federal reserve.
At the first meaningful sign of distress in property, they are going to hit control P. I would bet on it.
First-light 1d ago
Money printing is the biggest scam in modern history and governments are addicted to it.
The best way to game the inflation racket would be to fix your mortgage rate whenever interest rates are low. I have always bought outright but my father borrowed 40K years ago to buy a house. I think he paid back about 120K to the bank. When he eventually sold the house 20 years or so later, he got 1.2 million. In spite of interest and inflation, he still won out thanks to the rising market.
Lone_Ranger 2 1d ago
money printing is a scam, and the people being robbed are those holding cash, or near cash equivalents, such as bonds.
Very few people understand this.
We will always have money printing, unless or until we go back to 'sound money'. Sound money doesn't have to be gold, but it has to be some medium of exchange that nobody can debase. Not the fed, not the state, nobody.
Because the temptation to debase is so strong that it simply cannot be resisted.
The history of money is that we have had about 5000 major currencies in the history of huamanity. 99% of those currencies are dead, they all died. And they all died the same way - from debasement. There is no reason why it will be different this time. The USD, GBP, EUR etc etc....they will all die, and they will all die the same way.
First-light 1d ago
To my knowledge the Romans were the first to crash a currency by seinurage. It happens to the best.
Lone_Ranger 2 1d ago
They all go the same way. the way of all flesh. Its all debasement.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 23h ago
My take is that having your own place is very much complimentary to trp and game and positive make identity but is technically off topic
I changed the flair but i would say it's relevant
Kloi 8h ago
Finances (which I'd consider owning property) us definitely a part of the SM Pie I've always been lacking in.