You are not wasting your time reading or helping me, I am extremely high IQ and put in tons of work and implement things, I am doing tons of things, and I care about truth. I am mega based and right wing. I am doing a deep dive on red pill and dating stuff next couple of months and will study for rest of my life. I'm not sure what information is helpful. Also none of this is bragging, I dont care what people think and this is hopefully anonymous, I need help thats why I'm here. Thank you for your time and efforts. Problems are at bottom.
Also this is all from a real Protestant view of things, Im not debating what women are attracted to or how the game works, but I'm not willing to do anything immoral or dishonest. I realize this may make me get worse results and make things harder but I don't care. Even Owen Cook is talking about how the church helps reinforce marriage so there are benefits. I never had an interest in sex with women who aren't chaste virgins I think it is really disgusting and harmful, however if I was allowed to having 12 wives would be nice. I also feel that if a girl isn't a chaste virgin and a real Christian I wouldn't want to give her any time or attention or commitment ever in a romantic sense. The juice isn't worth the squeeze. You could convert a girl but Christians aren't supposed to date someone who isn't Christian. If I find an exceptional girl I may put time in to that tho.
I've been red pill for like a decade or more, I've learned and digested (need to implement and digest more tho) most of manosphere stuff except MRA which I think is pointless (there will never be empathy for men unless it benefits women). I'm kinda in a weird life situation where I cant work (family has money tho) and am fat (like 40lbs overweight) due to extremely serious health problems (but finally losing it, lost a ton already) but still attract girls 20 years younger (people think im like 15 years younger, I've been a health nut for my whole life) than me up to HB7, even some real Christian girls who were virgins at marriage or have boyfriends (I hate this, I dont want them and married girls are off limits), a lot of quality Christian girls (but not attractive enough), and I rarely go out but I naturally attract up to HB7 doing nothing dressed poorly and I've only seen a few HB8s IRL cuz I don't go out.
Im not alpha I'm sigma (it explains me perfectly, I have killed the beta mostly, still working on it). I have a big social circle from church, lots of friends, like 12 people I consider "close" and a wider circle of 50+ young people, I even organize social events. I do this because of 1) Christianity tells us to fellowship and 2) to get a wife. I'm fine with 1-3 good friends and never leaving house. I also have a high standard for looks and I don't believe in 10's, no one is perfect. I'm not pretty and I dress poorly, I need to drop like 40lbs of fat but I'm extremely masculine and strong and people call me arrogant/confident (no one can read me, people act like monkeys and jump to conclusions, everyone thinks they can tell peoples motives its extremely stupid). Some girl even asked me out recently. I will buy a new wardrobe when I get back in shape. I am reading Christian RP content as well. Anything in self improvement I am probably working on. Also I'm extremely funny but I know this doesn't attract women. I'm also extremely good at reading people and social cues/body language. I have pretty high levels of inner game but my outer game is trash newbie tier.
Even when I was 18 and purple pill and half beta (bible protects you from a lot, also family taught me some stuff), had extreme negative confidence, didn't know anything about women, and dressed like crap HB6.5-7 girls were interested and forward and approached, literally getting sexual assaulted, etc. Only reason I'm not married is health problems and only like 1-2% of girls 18-24 are even worth marrying and thats not taking many factors into account.
Main Problem:
Quality Christian girls like me, girls that are pretty enough to marry like me, but not one who is both.
What I want:
A HB6.5+, real Christian, 18-24, no clot shot, chaste virgin for marriage. I know all about the risks and problems, trust me, but I don't care. There are other qualities I want but its not important for discussion. I don't know my limits I may work on myself for like a year to see what I can get as my life is finally coming together again (remember you can lose your health at any time guys, it sucks I lost mine at around 20). Ideally I'd find a HB7+ who is 18 but picking are slim. I can tell girls this age like me btw, but again they aren't HB6.5+ so I don't care. I live in an ugly and liberal area unfortunately, liberals are more ugly than conservatives.
What I need to work on:
(I've already dedicated the next year of my life to this, I can spend several hours a day on it, and have spent most of the last month doing it)
Cold approach/day game (not gonna find quality at a bar/club), learning how to dress better, going to various other churches and christian events or events where marriage material girls would be, high level social skills/psychology/spy techniques, Christian dating/vetting for wife, respect and authority and trust.
Christian/redpill marriage stuff, how to deal with finances. Ill start looking into this when I go steady with a quality girl at latest.
I work on everything else that matters basically too. Theres always skills and stuff to learn.
Current Problems:
1) Lack of job but AI is gonna automate everything soon anyway, I plan on explaining this to girls and tell them Im getting a big inheritance when I reveal I cant work on 3rd date. I realize it could be like 90% of girls this is a dealbreaker but I just need 1 girl to say yes. Finding a rich girl would be nice as well. The girl who asked me out was rich actually but well below my standards.
2) I would never marry a girl who is not a chaste virgin. I know this doesn't guarantee anything (AWALT) but if you don't know women having premarital sex makes them not able to pair bond aka they literally wont love you or love you less (there are CDC studies on this, cant make a hoe into a housewife) and is a massive risk, also alpha widow, STDs, and its just disgusting. Like I'm gonna dedicate my life to you and have to die for you (Christianity) but you can't even control yourself sexually for a few years? I know liberal women and otherwise insane (not saying legit mental illness) women can be trained to act right but you can't repair her virginity/chastity. I was wondering how and when you would talk to a girl about this stuff reminding that it would be Christian. I've read DeepStrength about it. I've been thinking of talking about sexuality on the first date but I'm not sure. I don't even wanna take a girl on a date who isn't a chaste virgin it seems disrespectful to myself and a massive waste of time. I know secular girls will talk about sex openly but Christian girls is a different story, also I need her to be honest so I am working on spy/interrogation techniques to get honest information. I'd ideally like to suss it out of them ASAP and definitely before first date. How would you guys do this? Bringing up sexuality in like the first five minutes to 1hr you meet a girl may put off a quality Christian girl.
3) Gym clothes vs bad clothes. Is it better to do daygame cold approach in old gym clothes since you can claim you are exercising? or should I be wearing like everyday bad clothes? I only have 1 pair of nice clothes atm that Id wear for dates. I plan on buying a wardrobe in a few months when I lose weight. Also a RP secret is that if you dress like crap women want to dress you better so it can be peacocking and also attracts women. Im not saying its better than being well dressed tho. Girls think "if he dressed better Id want him to be my bf", I've had HB6.5 girls offer to take me out shopping for instance and become obsessed for like a year even with "bad dressing" my whole life and attracted up to HB7s dressing like crap.
4) Who to trust for game type stuff esp on youtube? I looked up Owen Cook and ToddV and others exposed on youtube. Besides being conartists and outright lying (self admitted lying) the girls they committed to, married, or have kids with are like HB4-6 at best. Why would I take advice from someone who spend 10+ years learning game and that was their results, especially when I could do better with no game, no experience, and lots of problems? I wouldn't even talk to the girls they committed/impregnated. I know they have some good advice but who can you trust really? Im sticking with TRP forums atm. I know to never listen to women obviously.
5) My social circle and church are purple pill at best and I don't even want to tell most of them I am looking for a girl 18-24, not that I care about their shaming but I don't want drama. A lot of guys commit to fat ugly girls and some don't even care about losing weight. The church isn't liberal but there are lots of people on left somehow (I don't think anyone who is Christian for more than a little while could be on left or center), the pastors wives aren't in shape (barring a health problem it means they don't respect them), and it feels like the church is catering to culture and subverted to a certain degree. Christians aren't supposed to be fat or unhealthy and most churches don't talk about it. I don't even know if I found a quality girl I'd want to bring her around these people... I feel like I probably will have to but also do damage control. There are also some negative people who poo poo everything, it doesn't effect me but people especially Christians shouldn't be like that. What should I do? This is one of best options in my area unfortunately, I may actually move to a better area too. Having a strong community will help keep evil female behavior in check. The church does teach wife needs to submit to husband but I wouldn't go to this church if there was a better option and there really isn't. I don't trust my pastors and there are crazy liberals who say stuff like Trump is dangerous and scary and are genuinely afraid, and like people who are afraid of the country going right wing and crying about it (yes seriously delusional lefty types).
6) How to get out of your head. As an extreme introvert it can take even an hour to get outside of my head... I hate this so much. The positive side is I can hyperfocus almost like Adderall light but the negative is getting into extrovert mode is so hard. I've done some research on this but its a major issue. Its like I can sit down and study for 12hrs easy without even trying, but if I wanna go talk to a stranger on the street I almost cant do it. The exception is homeless people so I am trying to figure this out. I am trying to talk to everyone but I am also pretty scary/masculine which helps with girls but makes people not wanna talk to you in public. I notice walking briskly and I think energetic music helps, I used to pump myself up for gym I might need to pump myself up for talking to girls anytime I leave house. I have zero anxiety and talk to HB6 girls often, but talking to strangers on street except homeless is extremely hard even like an old lady would feel really hard for instance.
7) Is opening with "Whats the most important thing in the world to you" a good opener? I wanna get a girl to reveal herself to me without her knowing anything about me so she can't lie/manipulate. Her answer should be God or Jesus basically. Im trying to get her to show her cards and also qualify to me. Im studying interrogation and psychology stuff, its funny you basically have to be a spy to vet women (female chameleon etc). I plan on dating a girl for about a year to vet her tho and I am hyper rational even if Im drunk and in love women can barely manipulate me even when i was young and ignorant.
8) Covid shot. I can't believe 80% of Americans took the clot shot, poison death shot, like there were 100 obvious reasons to never take that. I've heard it can cause health problems and reduces fertility, obviously depopulation. There are lots of real Christians who took the shot, it shocks me, I thought being a real Christian would protect you from stuff like that. I have a muslim buddy who refused to take it and military was trying to force him to take it but he refused. Even some people who might be high IQ took it. So I obviously don't want a girl who took the shot but I need to get her to admit honestly. I am gonna ask them what they thought about covid and try to tease it out. Besides extreme lack of judgment the health problems are real.
9) Kindness vs Nice - So there is an HB5 and I am kind to her and give her compliments (when she acts right, she is really sweet when she wants to be) but she seems to not like it and she is probably a real Christian girl. She has called me a cheerleader and also said I have fan energy (she seemed annoyed too), also I made some comments about her job and how you don't need any qualities to do her job and she got mad for at least a week, obvious body language and when I said it she said "you never listen" in an annoyed voice. I have also bought her small gifts like a nice sparkling water and a small toy previously. I have ZERO interest in her and just am trying to be Christian aka loving and kind and her friend (she needs me so bad its not even funny and she likes me, she accidently revealed her interest level when I was talking about marriage and got extremely excited and starting asking if I was seeing someone). What I am trying to figure out is if Christian women interpret kindness as weakness/niceness. I want to take her aside and explain Im strong and therefore kind, Jesus loves us so He saved us, we don't deserve it. Same with you, you don't deserve to be treated well necessarily but God said so. I wanna see how she reacts. She also focuses on career at 23 and doesn't even know she is supposed to focus on marriage so Idk how Christian she actually is, lots of fakes in church. I know AWALT but Christianity should control some of that. I might have to do this with all girls from now on, I am wondering if rationally explaining this to women will change how they act. Girls jump to stupid conclusions with no evidence all the time its really annoying. Anyway Im also gonna ask this girl if she feels like she doesn't deserve compliments she might view herself lowly. It also might be a way to screen out fake Christians or girls not worth marrying if when you are kind and loving to them they get mad or lose interest. No good deed goes unpunished.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 22h ago
Holy shit dude this post is way too unfocused holy fuck no one is going to read all of this much less answer to every single problem you've listed
Secondly, I'm not reading it either, but keep in mind in AskTRP you must answer your own questions in the post but you've basically listed 9.
I will remove the next post that is an unfocused wall of text. It's unfair to the mods and readers to sift through the entire post to see if it complies with anything
This trp. Sexual strategy is amoral. If you come on here interjecting it into sexual strategy it is not going to fly. TRP is amoral, it's fine to have your own moral code or belief systems but if you end up rejecting advice/being argumentative this place isn't a good fit
So I've told you what i think just looking at this from a mod perspective but I am not looking at this entire post it was way too much
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No-Stress-Cat 21h ago
TLDR; glossed over everything else after reading HB 6.5...unless you're into fat chicks, get you some standards. It sounds like you're picking from what's available in your immediate space. Even ugly women will start to look good if all you have available is ugly women. Branch out beyond your immediate area.
1) Get a fucking job you lazy bum.
2) Don't waste your time. If that is your standard, ask them straight out, "Have you ever had a dick anywhere inside your body?"
3) Don't look like a slob. Don't be some bitch's dress up doll.
4) Social media is the one place you should NEVER go to for Red Pill content. They're not there to get you laid. They're there to take your money.
5) Church is where you go to find the dirtiest sluts. Just because Jesus can wash away their sins, doesn't make them any less of a slut. Yes, AWALT, especially church women.
6) I'm an introvert myself. I had to force myself to learn how to socialize. This ties into #1 - get a job and learn to socialize. Coworkers make great practice.
7) Stop with the cheesy pickup lines. You're not ready to talk to girls yet. Get your shit together, lose weight, bulk up, get a job, get your finances in order, and your confidence will attract girls naturally. You won't even need to use pickup lines.
8) Who gives a fuck if someone else got the jab? That was years ago. It doesn't affect you any. You're not going to catch COVID cooties just because someone who is not you got the jab. Let that one go. It's not important.
9) Stop being a beta bitch to this ugly chick. If she's focused on her career, it means she's NOT focused on being a housewife. Which is what you're looking for, right? Move on.
I hope this helps get you started on the right track, Young Jedi.
Overkill_Engine Endorsed Contributor 19h ago
So much this. Think about it, what kind of woman is going to need/want forgiveness/an attempt at a socially mandated reputation reset the most?
The kind that has had way more cocks in her than she has holes. There is no shortage of women that have tattoos and piercings in places you don't see unless they are naked who will dance on tables and dick on Saturday and will turn right around and pretend to be a pure as driven snow to your face at Sunday morning services.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 8h ago
This is a lot of hamstering and meandering. Pick a topic and stick with it.
If you're just after general advice from Red Pill lens, then read the sidebars at TRP, askTRP, MRP, WAATGM, and WATGMA along with the various blogs that should be of use to you (I primarily recommend Roissy/Heartiste, Rollo Tomassi, and Dalrock).
I didn't read your post in-depth, but rather skimmed. Some notes:
1) marriage is such a bad deal for men under our current system, that it's just retarded to do it. Women are incentivized to leave and take everything you worked for. And I say this as someone celebrating his 20th anniversary later this summer.
2) trying to find a virgin?! Good luck. I couldn't find one in the late 90s and early 00s, so I just gave up and started fucking. I never met one virgin. Not one. Women pretty much start fucking as soon as they hit puberty.
I might have more later if I actually read that whole thing.