Have you guys had any success with supplements that are supposed to boost testosterone, or do you think it’s bullshit and the only way to increase T levels beyond your current norm is through injections? I’m talking about stuff like Tongkat Ali, Zinc (beyond what we get from food), Lions mane, horny goat weed
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Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1d ago
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Jackmoter 1d ago
Everything is different for everyone. I have seen people get significant increases from Tongkat Ali, and other none at all.
The only way for you to know is to test it all for yourself. Get a blood panel, try a supplement for 3 months, get a blood panel and repeat.
Yet, no supplement is going to out perform a shit diet and a shit lifestyle.
Overkill_Engine Endorsed Contributor 1d ago
Exactly this. There is a reason so many body builders that are successful are obsessively anal retentive about their diets. Food is the foundation material you are building with. But you still have to put in the work past just eating right.
First-light 1d ago
Yeah bloods are the only way to be sure but to seriously get sense out of bloods, you do need more than one test for each change you make. You can test quite differently on consecutive days and then if the sample takes time to get to the lab things can also change. It all becomes quite a trial -trying to do the same thing for 48 hours before tests in different life circumstances. Bloods will show up big changes in one test (like getting sick or starting TRT) but the small ones are harder to pin down and all the herbal things are small changes.
Musicgoon78 2 1d ago
Most guys on here want to boost testosterone. The best way to do this is naturally with proven methods. In other words, lifting and fucking actual women.
First-light 1d ago
I have looked at these things over the years.
Having low body fat is probably the biggest help provided you are still well nourished. Avoiding over training is also very important as is sleeping well and feeling good about life. Overall, I would say those are the best things you can do.
Zinc and ZMA are good, even if the ZMA only helps you sleep a bit better.
The herbals I think are only good for short booster stints, then the body tends to adjust to what it thinks is the correct levels based on its feedback loops. One needs to understand the HTP axis to understand how complex testosterone is and how the body strives for homeostasis. The herbals will boost you up for a week or two but you have got to cycle them or else homeostasis will just re-set factoring in the boosters and then when you come off them you will have lower levels till you recover. Short cycles can largely beat homeostasis (like 2 weeks max) as the body won't fully reset before you stop. As well as short cycles consider low doses to also avoid the re-set being swift and harsh. You only need just enough to get a small reaction you can regularly bank your intended gains from. Small and regular is always better than a big bang for one big buck.
Boron is a good help with SHBG which regulates your free test but it too seems to need cycling. (I find 2 weeks too long personally).
Pomegranates are good. I like them too much to care about cycling them (which I am sure one should). I think the antioxidants alone are worth it and I usually have a few every week but if I haven't had them in a while and you have them, I notice a rise in libido.
The homeostasis thing is the problem. You have to change the whole playing field not any one variable. The body aims to set levels, you need to raise the whole field if you want to improve you test production long term and that is more by life's macros.
This is both the benefit and the problem with the injections. Exogenous test will trump the body's self regulation but it will also mess up the HTP axis and it may never re-set right on its own. The test feedback is only one part of what this axis does. This is why serious athletes may also supplement T3 and/ or T4 with test and why they often move to HCG before race day not only for detection reasons but also because it at least gets the natural feedback loop artificially stimulated and this makes them faster than test alone will (which they often complain leaves them with no "pop" in their limbs. Test is great for recovery of muscles but performance requires a body on top form and performance is itself a catabolic thing. Being deep in anabolism is a more a recovery thing. Do you want a body permanently skewed to max recovery and build mode? Also there are effects that science has not yet fully documented of test on mitochondria. These guys are far from simple one size fits all little ATP generators. They also supply the body's electricity.
I have done a lot of homework on Test. There is no magic bullet. You are dammed if you do and you are dammed if you don't when it comes to exogenous test. I would see it as a last resort. I have never pinned a single shot of test but I hold the idea in reserve if it gets too bad aging naturally. Very few guys ever recover their original levels coming off a long cruise and if you are on it for life, then you have a slightly skewed HTP axis for life. The body will try to manage with this as best as it can but its less than ideal, even if there are other great benefits. Then there is the question of dose. Almost everyone likes a bit more than they were supposed to have (many doctors just give them 200mg a week, which is well over natural levels) but then they stress their heart with extra bulk and the excess aromatisation does its own things they may not love.
Dammed if you do and dammed if you don't.
AbusiveFather1 1d ago
Very informative, thank you!
SeasonedRP 1 1d ago
I doubt you'll get any benefit from supplements. I've never heard of any that work to any significant degree.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1d ago
I think Ashwagandha, zinc, and vitamin D are some of the only ones that have any kind of consistent support but i could be wrong
No-Stress-Cat 1d ago
You don't need none of that shit.
100 pull-ups, 100 push-ups, 100 sit-ups, 100 crunches, 100 squats, 100 barbell lifts, and 100 dumbbell lifts per day. At the end of the night, you'll be able to blow your load at 300 psi. We're talking bitch hitting the ceiling. 3...2...1....
BLASTOFF!!!
AbusiveFather1 1d ago
Is going bald one of the side effects of this routine? Or does that only happen if you include 10km of running
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 20h ago
Baldness is only ever caused by homosexuality.
You must conquer your inner bundle of sticks.
CC: @Durek_The_Bald
[Kidding around aside, it's just genetics. Nothing you do will make you go bald.]
No-Stress-Cat 15h ago
Homosexuality can make your ass go bald.