I often hear all this talk about how spinning plates is foundational to TRP—maximize SMV, avoid oneitis, and boosting abundance. However, no one talking about soul ties and the biological/ psychological consequences of recreational sex, especially for women (less so for men).
Women bond through oxytocin during sex. The more partners she has, the harder it becomes for her to emotionally attach. This isn’t woo-woo—it’s science. That’s why so many women get alpha widowed and can’t pair bond long-term. Though you and I may treat a woman as a "plate", she treats you as a potential husband, if she allows you to open the key to her body, she is subconsciously affirming that you could be a suitable genetic contributor to her child, aka father-stock. When the time comes and the plate breaks off, she's left to start the cycle all over again, find another stud, soul bond again to another man, yet this past experience cannot be erased, some call it spiritual, other biological, but the soul tie remains. How else would you describe the alpha widow phenomena?
Teachman (2002) analyzed data from the NSFG and found:
- Women who only had sex with their husband before marriage had the lowest divorce rates.
- Women with 2+ premarital sexual partners were over 2.5x more likely to divorce than women with only one (their husband).
- Women who cohabited with other men before marriage had a significantly higher risk of marital dissolution.
- Even when controlling for education, race, and religion, the pattern held: more sexual partners = lower marital stability.
My point mentioning this being that we often criticize women for having a body count higher than Lucky Luciano - but at the same time encourage men to go out and create them to build abundance. But think of the cost benefit analysis; is the benefit of building your abundance sleeping with heaps of women a net-positive, or does it have more cost on said women's future ability to pair bond and have successful future ties. After all, there's no such thing as hoe without a man, we are the hoe-makers, they receive, we give. Rollo coined the plate concept, yet he himself has been in a monogamous marriage for decades now, but RP often gives him flack for that. Does anyone see the negative implications as well or contemplated the soul tie concept?
My answer: yes, on the one hand, men are responsible for creating "hoes" and further promoting hook-up/plate-spinning culture, however, women also play a part. Women have become more masculine "strong independent types" who chase submitting to an employer rather than submitting to a husband. In doing so, they have lost the ability to display traditional feminine values: cooking, cleaning, agreeability, modesty, and virginity. They made the conscious decision to sell their bodies to the feminist pipe dream, that they can have the cake and eat it too. They can be masculine at the office and feminine at home, they can do the bare minimum for a man, and some simp will eventually wife her up and pay full price for a used car. Sure, men are creating a breeding ground for hoes, yet it's the women who started it by veering away from traditional values on their own accord. Let's think back to Genesis and who ate the apple first, right, it's starting to click now.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 3w ago Stickied
"soul tie"
Is not a trp endorsed term.
I don't know why some of you guys try to shoehorn non TRP terms into TRP spaces
*Hindu guy goes on Christian sub:*
"Do you guise believe this to be true about reincarnation and karma?"
I hope you guys see what the problem with this is. Do not come in here talking about random terms we don't use
financehardo420 Should i (x1) 3w ago
This is the kinda shit a hoe with a 222/444/555 tattoo says bro @alchemist
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 3w ago
The problem is bringing random terms into TRP
Why would you do that.
Also if all these sluts are going to fuck someone it might as well be you instead of some other guy
Dude someone is going to alpha widow them anyway it might as well be you. These women cannot go a few months without dick. This is what they have deliberately selected for several generations
Who the fuck are you to try to magically get them to cut the bullshit they won't stop
"C'mon bros let's not contribute to societies problems even though these women will find guys to fuck still"
Jesus Christ man you are trying to be a captain save a hoe and rationalize your plate behavior
How does one come up with this question after seeing how women choose to behave of their own volition. Do not misuse our forum to preach your blue pill ideals
Kloi 3w ago
IMO this isn't the issue, its the fact OP used an unfamiliar term with no explanation of wtf it actually alludes to. Could I have assumed he meant pair bonding, maybe....my head went first to soul mates when I saw the title.
Either way, it did drum up some decent content from educated members. Ive enjoyed reading some of the responses.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 3w ago
OP has already been site banned once and is still trying to shoehorn bp thoughts.
Hasn't seemed to learn much, which I'd the main reason this falls under the egregious category
Kloi 3w ago
Lmfao well new information has come to light.
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 3w ago
He SPUN PLATES TILL HIS NOW WIFE EARNED IT
your dumbass wants to speedrun an ltr out the gates and rationalizing why you shouldn't have abundance and make them earn it because muh "bad for society"
You just don't seem to understand why you even spin plates as if it's just to burn or something and has no practical value
So much lack of the basics here
Have you fully read the sidebar
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 3w ago
It doesn't need to be litigated. If post locking was ready as a feature I'd have locked this post already.
Did you read the sidebar yet or no
Vermillion-Rx Admin 3w ago
If you cannot answer my question about whether you read the sidebar (I've asked twice now) I will flair you "didn't read sidebar"
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 3w ago
Do not turn this rule 3 on us when you are fucking up and wasting our time. That's why you're getting roasted. Do not tell me the rules when the roasting is warranted or you will lose your akstrp privs.
You need to read the entire sidebar and not skim it. It is a definitive requirement posting here. No wonder your posts reek of not understanding our community and why your account didn't survive round one of being on here.
Drop the sarcastic attitude, you just read the rules and surely enough didn't care that reading the sidebar is one of them.
You are not permitted to post again until you have read the full sidebar and not skim it. This post and the ones before it were a complete waste of our time.
There is a reason everyone is required to read the sidebar
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 3w ago Stickied
This post also violates the spirit of the red pill forums and is in a way breaking our moralizing rule.
Women don't need your permission to be a slut. They are going to do it if they want to whether you like it or not. Whether it's good for them or not.
I hope you realize how unbelievably foolish this question and underlying premise is.
Sloots are going to sloot regardless of what the fuck you want to rationalize
This is regurgitated sidebar content anyway. It's been long posted here what body count does to women. They are going to do it regardless of whatever the fuck you say. Also why are you regurgitating basic sidebar in AskTRP. This is a complete misuse of AskTRP.
This post is just sheer mental masturbation. If you don't like a woman's body count don't commit
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 3w ago
No it doesn't women will crawl over glass to get what they want and someone will be there to give it. The reverse cannot be easily accomplished by men.
This was described in bitch management. It doesn't need to be litigated. It's alright been supported at length.
It's not your job to get a fucking relationship it's hers. If you like what she's offering and asks you for one go for it.
If you don't like what she has to offer than don't commit
Holy masturbation this post is a virtuous overthinking of white knight self dick sucking
Do what you want. Stop trying to save whores
Lone_Ranger 2 3w ago
"Women control access to sex, men control access to relationships"
This immortal line sums it up perfectly. Feminism dictates that women need to 'find themselves' to 'discover who they are, and what they want, before they settle down"
But men don't want to settle down with a woman that has fucked her way through her teens and twenties, and in her early 30's decides that she will now grab the first beta she can find.
So no, men are not responsible for the declining marriage and birth rates. Modern women want to get railed by chads until their fertility is gone, and then find someone for resource provision and divorce rape.
And men are not that interested, funnily enough.
Musicgoon78 2 3w ago
Sweet lord Jesus....
Stop making up terms and speaking without your own personal experiences. This doesn't help anyone.
Any sort of skill requires practice. Social skills, dating skills and sex all do.
Women don't need these skill being pursued, men do. Are you really going to come on your moral high horse and tell us how reality is and what's acceptable?
You need to work on your pessimistic attitude bro. You're not thinking like a leader.
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 3w ago
This is a whole lot of masturbation for "this is just how women are"
DEAL WITH IT
your entire post is trying to argue how women should operate. I've not had a post piss me off as a mod this badly in a long time it is THAT detached from what this forum is supposed to be used for
Musicgoon78 2 3w ago
Didn't read you tome. Get off your moral superiority kick.
I don't give a shit for the record.
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Durek_The_Bald 3w ago
If so, that's a them problem. It's not for you, or I, or any man to solve their problems for them, or to tell them what to do. I'll do my best to raise my daughter right, but everyone else can go fuck themselves as far as I'm concerned.
Also, rule zero:
We're not here to save the hoes, the West, or whatever. If something works for men, it's good.
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 3w ago
And you think CHOOSING not to fuck them is going to make them less likely to divorce as if fucking them is causing them to be unable to do marriage? Jesus Christ dude
Durek_The_Bald 3w ago
In what way does any of this matter to you though? Is it a "state of society" kind of thing, or are you afraid of making a mistake?
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Durek_The_Bald 3w ago
If you think you're responsible for that, you're welcome to take responsibility for it.
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Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 3w ago
1) Because you're worried about shit that's beyond your control.
2) because of your concern about what women choose to do with their freedom and your desire to reprimand men for taking advantage of what women freely chose
3) if you read the sidebar, you'd know
4) your post and every comment of yours is fucking retarded
hiddenhand 3w ago
Repeat after me; A woman's body count is her OWN doing. She is responsible for her own actions.
Men do not control a woman's actions. Since we cannot control a woman's actions, we are not RESPONSIBLE for whatever happens to her.
Do you think women don't know these rules that you just vomited above?
She knows the game better then you do. Yet, she will still go for CHAD. She will get dumped. She will hide her body count and marry the beta and ruin his life.
Just don't be beta.
Just be attractive, don't be unattractive.
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 3w ago
Holy shit I'm not sure if you're going to make it on this forum without losing your privs again you are trying to subvert and undermine this forum.
If i were trying to subvert a red pill forum i would come on here with BS like this instead of outright criticizing it.
If you think women are going to fuck a random stranger on the first ask just meeting them when they have 191625261816 actual options they have rapport with or some offer they already like who aren't total strangers you're an idiot.
Meanwhile vast majority of those 30% of men probably had zero options
Are you legitimately this dense or do you secretly just hate our forum and hate TheRedPill.
Why on earth would you even cite this random YouTube experiment run by whatever podcast with the most offensive and unrealistic possible shock methodology they could have used that will alarm and dry up every woman's panties they sampled.
Holy shit dude I am so close to site banning you and will forever reconsider allowing second chances again on here.
You cannot reform people this dense and sucking their own dick for trying force their ideals as reality
I don't know if I can handle one more devils advocate / hot take from a guy who hasn't even read the sidebar trying to out philosophize all the OGs as if you're some grand red pill wizard with magical theories of truth no one ever thought to debate or entertain instead of just reading the content all the OGs have repeatedly coordinated and agreed works, who have infinitely more XP than you.
You're the kind of sheer arrogant asshole who is going to read every major RP writing and try to find something wrong with it to keep your blue pill fantasies alive.
Holy shit this post and all of your stubborn egotistical takes are making my blood boil. Not even because I can't debate you but because it is such a waste of time when the ban button is 3 clicks away and will never have to see this smug arrogant coping ever again in my life trying to turn this place into your blue pill debate grounds
Go join r/purplepilldebate on reddit, these kind blue pill circle jerkers would be absolutely perfect for you.
I might just ban you after sleeping on it so you can go join your brethren breathing the same arrogant confirmation bias and wish casting you are engaging in
They make all the same arguments you do and blame men for everything women control they are perfect for your fantasies
First-light 3w ago
Spinning cock carousel riders is no harm to society, its getting a girl onto the carousel that is the problem. Making a plate out of a good girl could contribute to her going to bad.
Most of the damage is done by the western system giving so much choice and entitlement to young women before they understand life and the vulnerability of their own freshly matured minds. We can't do a whole lot to fix society in our own generation. Its more about which we we aim our children. The damage is mostly already done in an adult generation and we all need some joy in life.
I do think men would do well to think about wider society when they play girls. I know we are hard wired to want to fill pussies and without at least one pussy to fill we rarely flourish but if one does have an abundance situation, then I think one can start to think about who is trashy enough to spin and who is LTR only material.
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 3w ago
She's going to get fucked long before that. Fucking retarded cope this post makes me want to vomit
You are not cut out to be here. You do not belong in this space with this level of unrealistic blue pill cope
mattyanon Admin 3w ago
Look dude, this is a "tragedy of the commons" thing.
It makes no difference to society if I fuck her or not.
But it makes a big difference to me.
So if I abstain.... society is the same..... and my life is much, much worse.
Yes. MEN AND WOMEN ARE DIFFERENT. Both sides cannot win.
No.
See, here's where it breaks down.
You can't blame men both collectively and for choices as individuals.
This is a subtle point, so let me elaborate: no individual man is responsible, therefore you cannot make men collectively responsible because they cannot individually change society.
Blaming men for choices made by a majority of women and a minority of men is kinda fucked up. Most men are not alpha widowing women. The majority of women are choosing to have sex with a tiny minority of men - you can't blame all men for this.
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SeasonedRP 1 3w ago
You clearly pedestalize women and can't accept the notion of them being responsible for their behavior, including how men adapt to it. You are one of those guys who, if you were on a jury on a trial with overwhelming evidence that a female committed premeditated murder, would vote to acquit her and blame the nearest man in her orbit for her crime. No way you'd send her to prison. Lots of guys like you. They are referred to as blue pill, among other things. You're in the wrong place.
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SeasonedRP 1 3w ago
People respond to incentives. In the dating/marriage market, men are rationally responding to the incentives presented to them. You are asking men to respond in an irrational manner because it bothers you that women are experiencing negative consequences as a result of how men are responding to incentives. I'd call that blue pill.
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 3w ago
You are absolutely blue pill and refuse to see it because you fuck. Sheer ignorance of your own understanding of RP. You are not RP
I've never been so incensed to shit on someone's comments on a post before. This is by far the most comment bombing I've ever done for a release valve
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 3w ago
No one said you need hundreds of bodies. Stop exaggerating RP points, it severely weakens your argument and shows you don't understand shit
They are going to do it anyway. If not you, another man. Making your entire point self destructive
Because they will be. That's why 90% of the commenters rightfully stated it.
If you don't think women are going to do whatever they feel like doing no matter what anyone else says to them and you don't understand solipsism than get off our site.
After the damage is done. They will keep shopping around till enough men fucked them.
What is your point of saying this? Your own "rare" cases invalidates your point. "Look guys 1/100 cases turns out this way let me make a post arguing that everyone should be the 1/100" delusional..
We preach what happens 90/100 to 99/100 times. . I'm tired of guys that cling so hard to the 1/100 hope that they project it onto what we teach.
No one said having a wife is not RP. And he did spin plates you dense dolt. He SPUN PLATES until one of them earned being his girlfriend and then wife. Jesus Christ you don't understand and still haven't read the side bar
No, you're just dense
You haven't read the sidebar either which is a necessary step to learning RP
I'm done here
This was your last chance to respond on a way that convinced me otherwise.
You're free to lurk this site and maybe learn RP the correct way but your dense hamstering is over. You will be banned by end of day my time to say your last piece.
I was correct to site ban you the first time around
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MrSupreme 3w ago
I'm a pretty spiritual/esoteric guy,it is an importand part of my life. But soul ties,soul bonds,twin flames. Those are just gynocentric terms used to romanticize finding the "one" guy (chad), spirituality contains plenty of politic stuff,including being plugged in the matrix.
It is not my responsability to date less women and settle down in order to heal the world and bring balance to the force .It is not my dick's responsability to heal women And your claim that "men are responsible for creating hoes" makes me sick to my stomach,considering most guys are AFC and blue pill programmed to offer love and be the nice guy. Or are you blaming chad thundercok for penetrating more women than 10 billy betas, he ain't forcing these girls to choose him first.
At its core, "alpha" and red pill concepts are female strategy adapted to the male condition. In the 21st century, the individual has lost its power, it is the collective that is calling the shots, and we are all being played by a minority of globohomo agendas with the sole purpose of dissolving the fabric of society in order to turn people into a slave to the state.
I agree,there is a spiritual component when morale is low and both men and women give up on each other. You're blaming successful male sexual strategy and reminiscing about some conservative paradise that never existed.
No-Stress-Cat 3w ago
I disagree.
Men had nothing to do with creating hook-up culture. It was all feminism. Women wanted to be equal to men. They wanted to work like a man and be strong and independent. They were jealous, and cried, "It's not fair!" that men could sleep with many women and be called studs, and wanted to erase the stigma of a woman being called a slut if she slept with many men.
But it didn't work.
Men adapted. Men beat them at their own game. Women may claim to be winning, but they are still losing, and doubling down on the losses instead of learning their lesson. When women broke their social contract, they handed everything that gave women the upper hand to men on a silver platter. All the pussy we could ever want, without having to pay the marriage tax. On top of that, still to this day, women are called sluts and hoes and 304s because they sleep with many men.
They thought they could have the power to be better men than men could be. They thought they could become SUPERIOR to men. But they never had the power. Men have always had the power. We just amusingly stepped aside and allowed them to rub shit in their own faces. Every time they thought they had the upper hand, it turned out to be an even bigger handful of shit.
Now look at them: In all their magnificent feminist glory, they age out and become invisible, have no husband, 40 cats, and many boxes of wine.
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Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 3w ago
@Vermillion-Rx, I regret to inform you that I think your initial impulse to ban this moralizing retard was absolutely right.
Just give me a few minutes to archive this shit for posterity. There are a lot of good comments.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 3w ago
His argument is as good as gun control.
Let's put a no guns sign in the store window so that the one guy who still wants to bring a gun into the store can if he wants to
So retarded.
Just completely missing the point of RP and does not understand how badly women will look for dick even if 99% of us abstain.
Btw he hasn't read the sidebar
Doesn't understand that you don't even need to fuck women to have abundance. Just completely distorting the TRP message
Will not change short of being divorce raped after infidelity
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 3w ago
Were you around for that "they're licking the ice cream and putting it back!" objection to PUAs and TERPs several years back?
What those idiots and our retarded OP @alchemist fail to appreciate is that women aren't an inanimate object, but rather human beings who are making their own decisions.
Women will ride the Cock Carousel. It's like the ice cream not only wants to be licked, but is capable of choosing who licks it.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 3w ago
Is TERP the ex red pill or what is it?
OP is going to get red pilled very hard by an unassuming Christian "good girl" one day and will overdose on copium before admitting he's wrong
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 3w ago
I guess the terms have fallen out of favor, but TERP used to be shorthand for "Red Piller" and MERP shorthand for "Married Red Piller".
Vermillion-Rx Admin 3w ago
Ah gotcha, yeah
This dude reminds me way too much of imtranscending.
The guy never managed to be red pill. Ever.
Some people just like coming in here and "debating" (i.e. trying to change our teachings) rather than coming here to actually learn