TLDR: Casual fling for three months -- she’s catching feelings, but not LTR material (party phase, red flags, different values). I’ve kept one foot out the door, and she wants more, but I’m unsure if it’s worth it. Keep it going or cut it off?
I've been seeing this girl semi-consistently for about three months. Met her at the bar I work at on weekends. I knew she wasn’t LTR material from the jump—just recreational. She’s attractive, and relatively low-maintenance (until recently), but she’s been hitting me with the wyd texts more than I'd like.
Plenty of red flags: tatted up, goes to bars religiously, hangs with skimpy women, no faith, poor diet, thinks "equality" is real, and treats everything like a competition. On the plus side, she’s been low drama, buys me things, initiates meetups, listens, and has a good relationship with her father/ family -- bare bones.
A couple of weeks ago, I was already considering ending it. I don't mind it casual, but I’d rather spend that energy on a more feminine, demure woman—not a "boss babe" in her party phase. I was raised in a traditional Eastern European household, so I know Western women are mostly a lost cause Unicorns don't exist here, even the “good ones” I've met, like a virgin Orthodox girl I went on a date with, was socially awkward or lacked femininity in other ways. Fewer red flags doesn’t automatically mean it will work out.
I think that I'd struggle spinning plates. I work three jobs, among other obligations, and don’t have time to juggle women like a full-time hobby. That said, while seeing this girl, I’ve gone on a date with another and hooked up with someone else, so I’ve kept one foot out the door.
Yesterday, she wanted to meet and have the "where do we stand?" talk. She told me she was in a four-year relationship with an introvert who never let her go out, and now she’s in her rebellious phase. She said she's developed heavy feeling for me but thinks casual sex is weighing on her and wanted to know if that’s all I see her as. Before I came, she cried for a couple of hours thinking I'd ghost after we talked or would just get angry.
I listened to her half of it then I laid it out: we all come as we are, and the casual tone was set from the start. I’m not in the business of teaching an old dog new tricks, if someone doesn't want to be tamed why would I tame them. Basically ended the conversation on a "let's chew on it", so I have yet to make a concrete decision on the situation.
I won't lie, consistent P isn't bad, but I disagree with her on 95% of her beliefs, and I’ve seen her dating app notifications and her chatting up other guys at my place of work. Though that happened only during the first month, I can't oversee that it happened. She wants to do more “relationship” activities, but that’s something that has to be earned not handed out.
What would you do from experience, keep the fire burning, or light it out?
coolsocks00 1 1mo ago
Nahhh dude. Keep it casual and dont give her the time of day as long as she’s gonna go on about the talk stuff.
Be aware of the STD risk with these mega sloots as well. You dont want the herp if you can avoid it
Hugo_The_Great 1mo ago
I'll tell you this much; I had doubts about my current girlfriend & she had half the red flags you're sharing here.
We also started casually, she was in the end of her 'party phase' (she started drinking/going out way less when she met me) but we were quite compatible in a lot of our beliefs & she never dated/texted other guys even when I still had other girls.
What would especially irk me the wrong way in your situation, is her still texting (maybe even seeing) other guys in the beginning. Why would I ever want to be with a girl who was anything other than 'Fuck yes' about me from the start? These girls hedge their bets, then go for the best option (or if other options didn't work out) then they develop feelings for you, and it seems convenient to them to have an LTR. Similar to how a roster of chicks is convenient to a guy. It shouldn't be convenient for her, is my take. She should be down for you from the start & work hard to get your commitment. It should never be 'I'll have one relationship with you please'. Like ordering in a goddamn restaurant.
pofkaf 1 1mo ago
You know the answer, but you're just looking for somebody to give you an OK to commit to this chick.
Don't do it. The pussy isn't worth it.
What you should do is keep spinning the plate as long as possible. Just keep it causal, don't commit. She will pull out all the tricks - begging, crying, manipulating, trying to make you jealous, etc.
Don't flinch. Hold your frame.
She will "break up" with you eventually. But that shouldn't matter, because you should have other chick's lined up and already spinning.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
I'm breaking my no AskTRP rule because this one is personally relevant to me and not making the right decision in my situation seriously impacted me just recently.
When they tell you who they are believe them (if it's negative).
Huge incompatibilty.
Look man you told her what you were and she's trying to manipulate you by getting you to do activities that invest you into her in a way that makes you change your mind. Don't do it.
Tell her it is casual, that you enjoy the time you've had together and that she can keep it casual. If she says no just wish her well and tell her that you hope everything works out for her and that she finds what she needs.
I just had a threesome attempt with an out of state girl happen in February. I was in a social and abundance rut after a different girl getting me kicked out of one of the major venues in town, several friends and me having to leave my housemate over this woman made me feel like complete shit and I was just not running any good game or feeling great.
I just wanted to YOLO a threesome with two giga sluts, giga sluts are on my absolutely avoid list and i just learned why I avoid them.
The one i ended up fucking was very narcissistic and told her friend to leave the room. I thought it was just going to be a one night stand. I drove her to the airport because. The whole time we were going there she got very emotional and having increasingly serious tones. Gave me a 30 minute hug and said "what was this to you?"
I told her at the very least it's a great memory for me and that I was glad to meet her and if she ever found her way out here we can meet again. She asked if she could call me I said sure. Never did i think she'd constantly call me. I thought it was a "can I call you so i don't feel like a total slut" thing, not an open door for long distance interaction.
The demands for more communication gradually increased but I was feeling lonely so I let it slide.
A couple weeks later she books a surprise trip to see me, again because I really wasn't expecting this kind of investment from a otherwise ONS situation. Ended up flying to her state instead because my house wasn't finished being fixed and I had another friend out there anyway.
After she constantly fought with me for no fucking reason things got better and then she randomly booked another flight to see me and i had to book a hotel. Her values, temperament, love of solo travel, all the dudes and kinky shit she's done, her politics, her moral virtues and people she chooses to associate with, her mentions of stealing and encouraging her friend to manipulate men for money, admitting she's also done that, her apparent borderline personality disorder, controlling antics...
I let this get way too serious. Had a partial label. I let trying to move on from a hoe that wrecked a lot of my life lead me into somehow being okay with this new clusterfuck situation. It ended horrendously. Probably getting dicked down again already while I'm still picking up my headspace from this nightmare situation.
You know what she told me? She was talking about exes and said some said it was just casual and she said okay. Put your foot down i should have done the same. When the label talk came up she said she couldn't do casual with me because she liked me too much. I could have saved myself a lot of head rape by saying, well I'm sorry this is just casual, a meaningful casual maybe but still casual.
Look man i wish I'd put my foot down. My life would have been a lot better if she'd said "no I can't I'm sorry, cried her eyes out, and then thanked me for being honest and giving her the time". But I didn't.
It doesn't look like you want a label with this woman but she's trying a lot of the same tactics I put up with. I don't think you're taking the bait but I see cracks in the wall. You CANNOT make something work long term with a girl that trashy who shares almost zero of your views. She's also going to crash and burn what you have in a way that messes with your head if he's views are that different. People with drastically different views handle the end of a relationship very differently.
I can't tell you what i think you should do other than tell her it's casual and if she stays and continues to decline thank her for her time and wish her well.
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Hugo_The_Great 1mo ago
My experience is that the more you try avoiding hurting a girl by beating around the bush, the worse it will eventually get, all the way up to a very big 'boom' and precisely 100 to 0 you're talking about.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
I don't like to break things off with women to hurt them unless they disrespect me.
If you notice she is starting to disrespect you or clearly getting impacted by emotional distress you can always mercy end it. You can give closure on good terms. If she's not showing signs of disrespect or breaking down just let it be and keep letting her see you, unless it's making you miserable
prapra-horse 1mo ago
she might not control her emotions but she can try to control you/yours. It can be genuine, it doesn't mean it is right. Sociopaths do things they deem to be OK.
and how do you know that. Words or action? Something that makes her vulnerable supporting you? Words don't mean much. With this degree of incompatibility her support might be just a manipulation. Find a way to know. Not easy at all.
so she makes you to feel valuable in some way and you believe you can save it, despite all the red flags. Well that's exactly how the other dudes fall for bullshit
very convenient to do, doesn't require too much effort to show an infatuation. Sure from a dude point of view it would be hard to do, but she is a woman it is her default setting in which she can manipulate. ANd yeah you thinking that to show an infatuation is hard, is your backbone. You have a backbone but you didn't discover it yet, didn't name it. What you don't have is the solid boundaries. You get them by training and setting the stronger boundaries each time.
WHat more you can play with your boundaries, make them to be ridiculous. Only then you'll see: WOW I would never think it would fly.
If you want to exercise the ridiculous boundaries, they have to be adjusted to a situation and you don't want to go from 0 to 100 in 1 step. If you happen to let something slide you want to make them harder in a next step, not denying you let it slide, be congruent. Dress it in right words [gaslight], dont talk obvious bullshit.
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AbusiveFather1 1mo ago
Just keep milking it (no pun intended) as long as you can. When she leaves, don’t make a scene, don’t burn bridges, so that she can come around once every few months and suck your cock when yet another chad dumps her
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
I can't take a woman back after she's been pumped. I did one time after a year had past and her last partner was her ex bf (at least I hope it was). That shit lasted one day because she did the same old same old immediately that night and I was done again
AbusiveFather1 1mo ago
I mean she was pumped by dozens of men before you so what’s the difference - you’re not marrying her
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
To each his own. I don't like it
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AbusiveFather1 1mo ago
To me it’s analogous to public transportation. You have a favorite seat on a bus that you commute home with; people have been using it before you got on and people will use it after you’re through - doesn’t mean you shouldn’t get on the next day. It’s not your personal vehicle, or your personal spot
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AbusiveFather1 1mo ago
What do you mean? I’m not from America aka Sodom and Gomorrah, I’m from a place where they stone the bride to death if she’s found out to be a non-virgin, so my mom was only ever with my dad.
These Americans are not virgin, ultra religious women kept in line by ultra religious men however, these are whores - recreational use only.