Guys that went from getting 4s and 5s to getting 8s and 9s - what did it take? What was your situation LMS-wise and how did it change? How did your game change?
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Intrepid_Place53900 1 11mo ago
Agree with others on here like LoneRanger.
I've had 8/9's, they require more effort/work, both to get them and most surely to keep them.
The hotter the girl, generally the less interest in sex, with low effort sexual relations.
I don't like to chase girls, I want them to chase me or actually to show interest in me. I want a girl who "wants" to satisfy me and enjoys it.
Remember, for any type of LTR, it's best to have a girl who's at Most, your smv, ideally 1-2 less than your smv
brazilianxof 11mo ago
It took:
10 to 15 Kg of muscle (i was really skinny-fat) Solid career. Teeth whitening and straightening. Reading hard books. Education. Having a life. Accepting that they banged man who had done no work, had nothing but genetics and some clout, but they were "there with her" while i was playing Final Fanrasy of whatever.
How long? 3 to 4 years before started kicking. Bear in mind i was below the line of misery dating wise.
"OH BUT TOO LONG" be a poor fat ball living with mommy in 4 years then. Time will pass anyway.
Thing is, this work should have being going from 16 troughout 26 and you would be fine, your work then would be not let it fall. 16y guys who were chatting girls and playing sports and music and working jobs and studying... Instead of not doing that. If we start later, better go all in or cry in bed.
fumandobebiendo 11mo ago
hey man
I felt so identified with this, how did you manage to handle that? all the time this stuff fucks my mind, like I know they would have had N chad thundercocks and AWALT, but still I feel like they try to hide their hoe/CC years from me and it makes me feel like I'm the idiot that needs to deal with more complexity in stuff others had so easy, making me a beta idiot
this gave me motivation, because I feel like I"m having to deal with things way harder than if I had known all of this when I was 12-13years old (that shit would have set me for life), my sin was being a fat idiot and being in the fucking computer programming and playing games in my teen years, after that being the blue pill idiot everyone took advantage of. RP made me awake but the price went exponentially high. The stuff about "better go all in or cry in bed" is amazing, thanks for writing that
brazilianxof 11mo ago
Still mess with my mind, but given the fact that i cannot go 15 years back in time, i rather ignore this.
I had a married woman with 2 kids wanting to fuck me one other day. She bashed her husband all day long. I defended him. She got angry. So yeah.... If you were 20y girl and all man wanted to fuck you, what would you do?...... Just eat this frog... Nothing else to do. Im not saying is a pleasant feeling. Best you can do, if you want a LTR and is above 30, is to vet for girls who were in long relationships instead of hoing i guess.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 11mo ago
Good shit
Musicgoon78 3 11mo ago
They got more confident. AWALT. There is no difference between women, but guys put them on a pedestal.
Even assigning them a number is a total sperg thing to do. The numbering system is subjective and for losers.
First-light 2 11mo ago
Life experience. Learning to relate to others. Not being afraid to try in the right places. Knowing where the right places to try are. Learning to think what can I bring to this exchange based on what this person is seeking?
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 11mo ago
1) I became more confident in myself
2) I stopped pedestalizing them just because they were hot. Hot women aren't magical creatures who fart rainbows and shit diamonds. They're just people, and just women at that.
3) after I fucked a few who were duds, I realized that how enthusiastic a woman was to fuck me mattered far more than how hot she was.
SpiritualEnema 11mo ago
Absolutely. Some of these are even worse people than average because their entitlement is dialed up to infinity.
I spent the first couple weeks vetting women solely for entitlement before I would agree to anything additional in person. In my mind it’s the biggest red flag there is.
Lone_Ranger 3 11mo ago
"I realized that how enthusiastic a woman was to fuck me mattered far more than how hot she was."
100% AGREE.
When I see spergs asking about how to fuck 10s, or saying that they would never bang a woman who was less than 9, I am sure that they are virgins who know know nothing about sex and desire. They remind me of women that say that they would 'never date a man that was less than 6"2 and earned less than $300k'. You immediately know that they have never had that kind of man.
The reason why retarded women want a rich giant and loser spergs want a perfect 10 is the same - they both think that a 'high status' partner is going to increase their own value It does not.
I've had boring sex with 10s and amazing sex with 4s. Chasing hotness is a retards game.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 11mo ago
One of the biggest tells of men who don't fuck I've seen in these spaces is when they say "I only fuck 9s and 10s".
financehardo420 Should i (x1) 11mo ago
Facts if you’re drunk and horny enough 7 and up works just fine. I would beat my meat before i land a whale; got too much self respect for that.
But a 7 with a good body and a whatever face… we can work with that. Also usually much more enthusiastic and tbh better at sex than a typical 9 or “10”.
Also there technically is no such thing as a ten bc there’s always a hotter chick
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 11mo ago
Not to get too hung up on the spergy-ass 1-10 scale that's mostly subjective anyway, buuuuuut....
If 5 is average, 7 is damned good-looking.
Shit dude, don't you young'uns do slump-busters? I once fucked a fat 4 because I really fucking needed it.
financehardo420 Should i (x1) 11mo ago
I agree like what exactly distinguishes a 3 from a 4 or a 5 from a 6 etc etc.
I typically put chicks in 3 basic buckets of sex appeal:
Top bucket = a top tier bitch. undeniable hot chick (average man’s typical 8-“10”)
Middle bucket= fuckable; but not necessarily hot enough that I’d want to show her off (I’d say this is a 7-8 but i guess could also call it a 6+)
Bottom bucket = would not fuck; for me this would be a 6 and below or if 5/4/etc.
Maybe I’m like fatphobic or something but I can’t bring myself to fuck a fatty. Never have hopefully never will. I’ve had slumpbusters but they gotta be a hard 7 or middle bucket haha
Lone_Ranger 3 11mo ago
"I would beat my meat before i land a whale; got too much self respect for that."
You see what you did there? You are STILL basing your own self worth on the type of chicks you fuck. In your own eyes (the only ones that matter) you are only as good as the woman you fuck.
Going to be harsh on you (cause I know you can take it)... this is very feminine behaviour.
A man is not the woman he chooses to fuck. A prince can fuck the parlour maid and he is still, and always will be, a prince. A man gets his self worth, his self respect, from his own character - his achievements, his integrity, his position within networks of other men. most definitely not from the calibre of women that he fucks
I fuck whichever women I want to fuck, and I don't give a shit what anyone else says or thinks. I've fucked virgins, sluts, fat chicks, chicks with severe facial scaring, chicks with a lazy eye, goths, punks, muslims, indians, tall girls, short girls, girls with no tits, I've fucked beautiful girls and I've fucked ugly girls. I've turned down models, and I've fucked girls with muffin tops hanging over their jeans. I've fucked older women and younger women.
My only criteria is this: Do i want to fuck them, and do they want to fuck me? If yes to both, game is on.
I simply do not care what anyone thinks.. And the fact that I do not care is agreeable to me, and I notice (not that I care) that is very attractive to women. Women like men that fuck, and hate men that don't. (again, i don't give a shit what they prefer).
Theolympicnomad 11mo ago
YOU are a fucking BOSS. That reply legit got me pumped up to do some daygame.
Lone_Ranger 3 11mo ago
go for it dude. Just remember to not care about the outcome. that's the key.
financehardo420 Should i (x1) 11mo ago
Applause for that one.
I’d agree on most parts; way I see it isn’t necessarily as the chicks I bang determine my self worth. Self worth, as the name implies comes from yourself - it’s your work your discipline and where it lines up in your own eyes.
i view the chicks you fuck as a byproduct of developing a big sense of self worth (and all the work that goes with it).
When you’re doing the work to be the fuckin man (lifting, dieting, working on purpose, excelling in your purpose and succeeding in life) you’re obviously gonna have more options - hot chicks, mid chicks and ugly chicks. Vs when you’re not doing the work (fat, broke, etc) you’re gonna have less options; maybe only attracting ugly or mid chicks.
The fuck is fun and all but at this point for me it’s more like a reward for doing the work. And I want the best rewards when I do my best work >=D
Lone_Ranger 3 11mo ago
appreciate your reply. I still think (in my humble opinion) that you are using 'chicks that you smash' as some sort of currency by which you can evaluate how you are doing in life / as a man. I see it in all your replies and posts.
for example in one of your other replies you say that you have never fucked a fat chick and 'hopefully I never will'
Think about that statement. Why? What if you were in a situation and you really had the hot horn of a fat chick and you really wanted to fuck her, and she was a bit fat. Please do not say 'but I dont' want to fuck fat chicks' - please pay attention to the thought experiment - what if you met this fat chick and you really really got the boner for her? Would you fuck her? no, i don't think you would, because you wrote 'hopefully I never will'. this tells me that you still view the hotness of the woman (in the social context) that you fuck as some sort of marker for your value in society.
You also write "Middle bucket= fuckable; but not necessarily hot enough that I’d want to show her off"
that is quite revealing to me. You might want to fuck a chick, but you would not want to be seen with her. Why? because you feel it would devalue your status.
When I see men that are ashamed of the women that they are fucking, I see a weak man. I knew a greek guy in London (fat, short, extremely rich) whose only source of pleasure was walking around with women half his age that looked like what he thought was 'hot' (think victoria secrets model). I always thought he was the most blue pilled guy I know.
Whether you are ashamed OR proud of the woman you are fucking - you are making the same mistake. You are equating your self worth / value with the value of the woman that you are fucking. the woman that you fuck can neither increase nor decrease your value.
A billionaire can stop off at McDonalds and grab a coffee for $1.50. He is drinking the beverage of the road sweeper, the common poor man. Is he now somehow worth less? Of course not. He is a billionaire.
I know my own worth. I am realistic about it, maybe even slightly arrogant. I'm tall, good looking, reasonably wealthy. Back in the day, I had a great physique and was able to make people laugh. Judging by results, have great game. I was able to stand on stage and give talks in front of 400 people. I'm a bit retired now from game, but in my heyday, I could stride into any setting and pretty much do what I want to do. It was actually quite rare for me to meet a woman that i wanted to fuck and not end up fucking her. I had a reputation at uni and at every company that I ever worked at as player, because I was a player, and I didn't hide it - I advertised it. I quickly realised that once you had a reputation as a 'bad boy' the world was your oyster.
I found that the secret was not caring what anyone thought, and just doing what you want. If I checked into a hotel and the receptionist was cute, I was laying down game during check in, and I was pretty much 50/50 for the close. Same was true of women I met on airplanes, or a cute real estate girl that I met when I was viewing properties. I was never ashamed or proud of the women I was banging.
The only question in your head should be: do I want to fuck this chick? Is she giving the green light signals (laughing at your jokes, standing close, flicking her hair, holding eye contact etc) ? if so - its game on. I've been to parties and left with chicks that were far far below my own SMV, just because in that moment, she was giving me the boner. Maybe it was the short skirt that she was wearing. maybe it was because she made it clear that she was a sure shot. Maybe I enjoy the power dynamic of boning a woman that you know for sure is going to be submissive. Maybe it was because I knew straight away that she would offer no LMR, because it was clear to her that she was punching above her weight.
I'm rambling a bit here, just because I want to draw the analogy between the billionaire that gets a coffee in a cheap place. it doesn't make him not a billionaire. he's just a billionaire that doesn't give a flying fuck what anyone thinks. that's freedom.
financehardo420 Should i (x1) 11mo ago
I get what you’re saying and maybe to an extent right but also not haha. Could definitely argue that I view the hotness of the chicks I smash as a METRIC of my value but not a DETERMINANT of my value if that makes sense. Ie if I only fuck ugly ass girls; my SMV is probably pretty low bc only pull unattractive women. Probably means I: don’t put in the work on my physique (ie am a lazy fat (or skinny) cunt who doesn’t lift and have a disciplined diet), am a low status brokie surrounded by bummy friends etc etc. meanwhile if I pretty much only reel hotties well that doesn’t happen by accident - it’s prob safe to assume that I do the work to be high value (disciplined in my training; disciplined in my other endeavors/have shit going for me/all the other factors that make men attractive to other sex etc. More so it’s like I’m winning in the sport - beating out competition etc. always a great prideful feeling leaving the bar w a rocket and seeing dudes be jealous that I pulled and they didn’t. Metric of value; not a determinant of value.
If I was more or at least the same level as sexually attracted to fat girls instead of hot ones I’m sure I’d be clapping some fat cunt cheeks left n right haha. I’m just not wired that way; it grosses me out and I’d rather beat my own meat than fuck a fatty. Just my sexual preference nothin wrong w it.
When I was like 17-19 I had an obsession with petite girls and thigh gaps. I thought it was the hottest thing ever and I’d only go for girls that had that build. Over time those tastes have changed and now I’m actually pretty unattracted to those types of girls too - it just doesn’t feel as good when we do the clappy clappy.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 11mo ago
Sure, the hottest chicks you can smash are indicative of your SMV.
But much like @Lone_ranger's billionaire buying the McDonald's coffee, if some chick is willing and passes the Boner Test, why not?
The point is to get laid and bust a nut, not to build your self-esteem.
When did he or I or anyone besides you ever say "only"?
Eagerness trumps objective beauty. My favorite ex was only a 5.5 and chubby, but she was so much fun and so eager to take my cock that I put her above any woman I've been with besides my wife.
One of my most disappointing lays was an in-good-shape 9 who was 19 years old at the time, but lay there like a dead fish. She seemed eager all evening and all through foreplay, but at the moment of penetration, she just went corpse mode. The only reason I was able to get off was because she was so hot and so tight.
I'll take the enthusiastic 5 5 any day, and gladly be seen with her in public.
financehardo420 Should i (x1) 11mo ago
I mean I guess that’s what I’m arguing; fatties don’t pass the boner test for me lmao. I guess if one really started suckin me off I’d prob get some wood going but like ye if I see one I am not approaching at all and rejecting if they approach me. That’s just me haha everyone’s different. Fat chicks gross me out; I enjoy girls that are in shape. And I’ve had 7s that had good bodies but mid faces that were extremely enthusiastic. One of em was like literally begging me for my cock it was kinda hot ngl
whytehorse2021 11mo ago
I started out with 8s and 9s in HS because I was a drug dealer stoner type. Once I quit that and started working fast food and going to college I got 4s and 5s. So in that situation it was the status of "bad boy". After college I went to Asia and I was getting 9s and 10s without changing anything other than the market I was in. In that situation I had status as light skinned(that's what they are attracted to over there) and wealthy(they just assume all Americans are rich). Plus I'm very tall over there.
So in my case it all boils down to status. Whether that comes from looks or money or frame(dangerous, bad boy). There are ways to fake it till you make it but then when the SHTF you're up shit creek without a paddle.
MrSupreme 11mo ago
Working out and healthy food helped me a bunch when I was married to a HB2-3.i was obese,it took me about 2 years to get in shape and learn some game and in that time my marriage was over,she couldn't handle me being attractive and being a better fuck. After we split up I banged a few 6-7s.
Healthy food and workout does wonders for confidence,frame,actually loving the work out and being passionate about something other than game
Musicgoon78 3 11mo ago
Hb2 ????????
Sounds like how I would rate my ex wife in her current state. She went from a bit thicc to Jabba the Hut about 8 years after our divorce.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 11mo ago
The "HB" stands for "hot body", or at least it did in circa-2001 PUA forums.
Keeping that in mind: HB2?!?!???!?