I know this question is more for r/askMRP but I'm not posting this from my main reddit account to avoid doxing myself and their automod won't let my throwaway through.
Inb4 yes I know I fucked up, I know I should not have ended up in this situation in the first place, but pls hear me out. I'm really struggling to find a solution especially considering the whole "being a refugee" situation (more info below)
Me (29m) and my wife have been married for 1 year. Let's call her Alice (30f). She has expressed her committment to losing weight. It was part of an agreement we made before getting married. We both agreed that we want to take good care of ourselves and get into better shape. Since then I managed to lose about 10kg (I used to be slightly overweight) and started to go to the gym. Alice also went on a diet and started to do sport activities. Unfortunately despite doing this her weight did not change.
The problem is that it has become very hard to have conversation about this topic with her. I'm trying to direct her by proposing new diet plans or finding new dieticians/trainers but she insists on keeping her routine as is. When I point out that this is irrational because the current routine clearly does not yield good results, she starts to ask why do I even care this much. I point out to our pre-marital agreement only to get "so what? WHY do you care so much about my weight?" as a response.
The real answer to this question would be something like "you are very pretty (she is), but because of the extra weight you go from being a 8/10 all the way down to like 3/10. It's killing my desire for you and depresses me a lot because I prefer thinner girls.". Of course I can not give the real answer because I think it would inflict irreperable damage to our relationship. I need a more ethical answer that still grants me plausible deniability and is convinsing enough to be deemed valid.
A couple of things that I feel are relevant:
- Both of us are currently in a refugee situation due to RU/UA war, we live in a foreign country and one of the consequences of this is that I have a much lower SMV in the local dating market comparing to my homeland. I can barely say a few words in the local language though I'm working on it. Because of this I'm very careful about damaging our marriage since the most likely outcome if we part ways is just being alone, which I would rather not.
- Our marriage is good ouside of this problem. I make money, she takes care of the chores, she is generous enough in sex and she's not brainwashed by leftist propaganda. This arrangement satisfies me.
So yeah, I guess I'm just fishing for ideas. I need a line to stick to to ramp up the pressure.
Intrepid_Place53900 1 12mo ago
When I met my current partner, we would talk and things would come up regarding what I'm attracted to.
My response would be, I'm attracted to a lot of things, a lot of different types of girls, except fat girls. I'm not attracted to fat girls.
Yup, I was that clear, pretty much verbatim.
Now, years later, when she gains a few pounds, she freaks out and tells me, well I better loose some weight because you don't like fat girls.
I don't say anything, don't reply, I just give her a kiss or slap in the ass.
Guys, life is so much better, with a girl who gets it.
DaveSlav 12mo ago
I wish I had this convo with Alice back then. Nowadays having to explain to her that I like thin girls without doing more harm than good is a very tricky task.
Intrepid_Place53900 1 11mo ago
Thats an (in her frame) type thought
my girl and I comment on good looking people while out or on TV etc. We are adults and we know what each other likes.
You need to let her know what you find attractive and not.
Ignoring it won't help either of you either.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 12mo ago
Men who call their wives or girlfriends their "partner" lolololol
Intrepid_Place53900 1 12mo ago
you may be in to getting pegged. Not my thing though, thanks.
Not married, I don't pay for her things, she doesn't pay for mine. She doesn't have access to my money.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 12mo ago
Just a joke about using the word "partner".
Nothing to do with the joke.
First-light 2 1y ago
I don't think there is any one line but she does need to hear the truth softly. We can sugar coat the truth for women but they do have to hear the truth or they can't know what the reality is. I can't see how plausible deniability helps when she needs to know the truth.
"You were so much hotter when thinner" is just true. As is "You will only lose weight when you achieve a calorie deficit. Unless you use more energy than you take in, you will not lose weight, so you need to do something to achieve a lower intake". "We agreed this because it was important"
I appreciate that your options are more limited at the moment -you have less chance to inject dread into her world by her fearing you might run off with a thin woman- but women don't usually get thinner as they age so its worth trying now. Don't get too heavy about it. Just keep letting her know how much better actress x looks now she has lost a few pounds, how great your wife looked when you first met her and so on. Show not tell where possible, less of "You need to lose that fat or I will not really like you" and more of "Thin is beautiful, thin turns me on" She will need to know you love and appreciate her but you have to be honest with her.
Just don't make it about how you think she is crap because she is fat or she will be more likely to want to hear someone else tell her she is good. Don't make it an argument where you try to convince her that reality is reality because to women reality is subjective. Don't make it about you pressuring her ("Oh no abusive behaviour") Just make it light, short but honest. Tell her briefly and lightly but fairly often on good days when she is strong enough to do something about eating less, not when she is feeling weak or already arguing with you and will just want to reach for food to feel better. She is your great wife and she is pretty but she will be healthier, happier, more likely to won friends and influence people, better able to conceive if she is a healthy weight. Certainly you will enjoy her more that way.
mustangfrank1 12mo ago
She will not change unless she wants to change. Women are not concerned about fat, especially if there is a ring on the finger. You are stuck. I was for years.
DaveSlav 12mo ago
Yeah I might be stuck too. What happened after the years passed?
pofkaf 1 1y ago
I wrote a short post about this awhile ago.
Basically you must reward good behavior, while ignoring bad behavior. Remember that women act upon emotions more than logic. And there is nothing more emotional for her than a man's attention and approval. So you should give attention and approval to her in order to encourage behavior that you like.
It's a fine balance. Figure out what works best for your wife and adjust accordingly.
DaveSlav 12mo ago
That was a good read, thank you!
No-Stress-Cat 12mo ago
If someone is exercising and not losing weight, it's because they are taking in more calories than they are burning.
It all starts with the diet. Plan the meals, do the shopping, cook proportionately. No sugar, no flour, no junk food.
Her: "Why do you want me to lose weight?"
Me: Because I want to spend many years to come with you, and the more years, the better.
DaveSlav 12mo ago
The confusing thing is that she does follow a diet. I paid for her nutritiologist to make a meal plan with caloric deficit and Alice seems to be following it quite strictly, at least when I'm around. But her weight does not change. I'm starting to suspect that she might be sneaking something when I'm not around? I have never caught her doing that, never found any stashes etc but I'm running out of other ideas. She did the bloodwork to rule out medical condition and it returned fine. Idk.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 12mo ago
You can't outrun a bad diet!
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 12mo ago
You got good stuff from the other guys already.
Before I give you anything, I want to address any unmarried guys reading along:
this dude's post demonstrates why you never marry a woman with the promise that she'll improve something after getting married!
Really, you shouldn't get married anyway. Terrible deal for men.
But women are on their best behavior when they're trying to lock you down. They almost never get better post-commitment.
A'ight, back to you, OP.
Did you ever read the big 3 books from the MRP sidebar?
"Married Man Sex Life Primer" by Athol Kay
"No More Mr. NiceGuy" by Dr. Robert Glover
Read all three.
You lead by example. So far, it seems that you are. One of the concepts MRP came up with to explain the patience you need to have is the thousand foot tow rope. One boat is towing another with a thousand foot tow rope, which means whenever the lead boat changes direction, it takes a bit for the towed boat to change too. How long have you been at the weight loss? How long have you been at your new fitness level?
DaveSlav 12mo ago
I haven't read these particular books (but I'll add them to my list). I used to read lots of redpill blogs circa 2015-2017 but eventually drifted away from this topic, in part because of mental health issues that led me to pretty much nuke all my online content subscriptions. I also started seeing a therapist which improved my mental health a lot but as a side effect brought me back towards the blue pill somewhat.
I was not initially planning to marry her unless she lost weight but when the war started I faced a tough choice. I needed to run from the country and I would either have to leave Alice behind OR marry her and take her with me. There was no option of taking Alice with me without getting married because that would make her not eligible for a visa. I was hesitating for a few weeks until my therapist made a convincing (and in retrospective bluepilled as fuck) argument that part of her struggle with weight loss was due to her being uncertain/anxious about wether or not I will marry her. By his logic, if this uncertainty were to go away, it would make it easier for Alice to lose weight. Well it did not, in fact, make it easier for her. Still fat.
On the other hand, leaving her behind would also be a questionable decision. I am not a chad by any metric, but at least back home I had a SMV advantage in that I was in the top 3% of earners by the virtue of living in a semi third world shithole while working for EU and getting an average European salary. This, along with some behaviours learned from browsing TRP back in the day made dating a feasible prospect.
But I had to leave it all behind and move to EU for safety. Now I find myself in a situation where I went do from being in the top 3% of earners to like top 30% at best, which is not nearly enough to impress a chic. Besides, from the looks of it it seems like women here get salaries comparable to men, so there's much less need for them to lock down a high-earner. Which leaves me basically as a fucking imigrant who can barely say a few words in the local language and is only allowed to stay for as long as my employment continues. Yeah I basically can't even quit the job even if I wanted to cuz I'd get deported back home, subsequently mobilized and fucking die in the trenches.
So yeah, the second part of the reason why I married her is that I foresaw all this. I knew that once I migrate my status (not just SMV but social too) will go to shit. I figured I'd better have at least Alice's company than none. I was not expecting that her to fail her promise to lose weight so spectacularly though.
As for my fitness level, I've never been fat (until moving to EU and putting on some KGs from all the delicious european food, I've lost them though as I mentioned. I've never been much into sports, but I would hit a swimming pool or a bicycle from time to time, or go for a hike (all these things are not doable for Alice btw, not even 30 minutes would pass before she starts whining). I see what you mean about the tow rope. I have been doing weight loss for about 6 months. As for fitness, it's only been 1 month so I'm just starting. I plan to keep doing this for a couple more months and then to have a new conversation with Alice. At that time I will have been fulfilling my commitment to physical fitness like we promised each other before marriage. She will not. I will call her out on that and I know she will respond with "WHY do you want me to lose weight?". I need to have an answer prepared, hence why I made this thread.
whytehorse2021 12mo ago
Learn the local language and ditch the fat chick.
mustangfrank1 12mo ago
She will lose weight when she wants to, My wife was the same way. Weight to women is not an issue. But height of a man sure is an issue with women.