After nearly half decade of running through hoes since I was 16. I have found no more satisfaction and fulfilment in just casual flings or even plates who spin for a long time. I want someone to have kids with and to be my life partner, a traditional house wife. For this very main purpose, I moved overseas to a 3rd world country where its known to be very conservative and traditional. But my issue is that I've been looking for casual flings for so long, i literally do not know where to look for LTR material. Someone with low body count, preferably a virgin, young, conservative, and traditional. Should i skip dating apps completely?
I am 25 years old, I do very very well financially, I have an amazing network of friends, and I am jacked.
whytehorse2021 1y ago
English classes. Only a small percentage of people want to get with a foreigner and they tend to concentrate in language schools and places where foreigners go. I met my wife in a #USA chat room some 20+ years ago. Just start out as friends and vet her for about 2 years but make sure from the beginning her intentions are to get married and have kids.
MrSupreme 1y ago
3rd world country people call my country a 3rd world country. After doing the same stuff for years,your game is probably calibrated for gaming short term flings.The thing is, LTRs and "tradwives" don't start out as such, they kind of move towards it with time and with seeing how the man shes dating performs.
I would say to not expect a woman to want to cook & clean and be a housewife for you, but I know better,you can find that in Latin America (as far as my experience goes) Where I come from in Latin America(Venezuela) women are kinda soulless until they find their dream foreigner (American,European,anywhere with money). So they may date around and fuck a few guys (although some are not too sexual actually) but for the serious marriage and getting pregnant stuff they will definitely choose a foreigner like you.
The stories I've heard are of much success, women that are submissive, loving, feminine,motherly and great wives.The guys at their home countries(like me) are just not living that.You on the other hand are looking in the right place.
TLDR: Be patient,calibrate your game, El Dorado is true (for you), always game no matter how easy it seems
Newbie-Casanova 1y ago
Thank you for your wise words sir. Yes I am in Latin america for this very reason. I wasn't aware of the game difference until this month. The way you game a traditional conservative women is pretty different compared to causal flings. That wasn't until I was traveling in Chile and daygamed this chick who was extremely interested. But saw first date kisses at a fuck boy move.
I'm in a really really small country, not very well known at all.
I've also dated a Venezuelan who wanted kids with me but I had to literally fight tooth and nail to get her cooking and cleaning. I thought that wasn't worth the headache so I dropped her.
JamesSkepp Moderator 1y ago
How do you game a conservative woman vs how do you game a casual fling one?
Newbie-Casanova 1y ago
Casual flings, first date kino, kissing, and sex are all pretty the norm.
After living in south america for almost a year. The genuinely traditional and conservative women I've met. All saw kissing and sex on first or even 2nd date to be a casual type activity. And therefore will place you in that category.
I believe it's what the commenter said as well. You move slower and less sexual escalations
JamesSkepp Moderator 1y ago
So basically that's game. If she likes you and is attracted to you she will want to bang you.
You want to treat her less as a sexual creature and more as a girlfriend. She will have ZERO problem with that. But this is the exact scenario men deal all over the world: "awww hes so nice to me, he treats me like a lady unlike you, you are an asshole who just wants me for sex" meanwhile the Chad texts her "maria you little slut your pussy cant wait for me to be inside you", the she gives you a kiss at the end of the date b/c you guys want to take it slow and hops in a taxi you called her so she can get home safe, just after the car starts moving she texts him "omw".
If you actually have a "decade of experience in running through hoes" you should know better, you should know what women respond to and what kind of a guy drives them crazy.
If that's all true you should have women lining up b/c they wanna be with you.
Newbie-Casanova 1y ago
That's true to an extent. I understand all it takes to fuck hoes and casual girls. I have not spent a majority of the decade fucking traditional conservative women. And that is where the game difference lies. Yes I agree you still need game, I didn't disagree on that statement. But with that being said, even the less causal women in america and UK is far more liberal than the women in 3rd world countries. That being said, I do not understand fully of how these women operate and have more trouble finding them. I have had many girls in the states want to court and be in a relationship with me. But game is ran differently on those.
So essentially I want more abundance of these traditional women. But I have absolutely no idea where to look. As i have spent the decade nightgaming and on dating apps.
On top of that most women think that at 25, I'm broke and average. But that isn't the case so I literally have to showcase it. Generally speaking, men in 30s and 40s are more financially well off. So the 25 age bracket I've seen first hand, be a disqualifer
SwarmShawarma 1y ago
You mean you are trying to get an abundance by showcasing wealth, then getting plenty of golddiggers and not wondering why 99% of there women are easy to lay, once you 'showcase'?
If you cant find an answer tothe question how to find these more trad women, what about trying to avoid the obvious mistakes for a starter.
Read Roosh Bang series, it covers several countries it might give you some background. Times change. Poor countries get wealthier, word about players from west is there, word about the girls getting advantage of the foreigners if they withold a pussy, homo and feminist propaganda everywhere.
Being abroad where no one knows you os kind of an equaliser.you could be wealthy or just pretending.
JamesSkepp Moderator 1y ago
I thought LatAm was supposed to be traditional/conservative/nonliberal-women-only paradise for men, free from meaningless casual hookups?
First-light 2 1y ago
I would say don't game a conservative woman if you want a LTR. If you want a fling yeah sure but if you want a LTR come as who you are. Present the best side of yourself but make it an honest presentation and let her make her mind up don't try try to push her buttons into accepting. If she is what you want she will be buying. When you are Mr Right and they are ready for adult life (as opposed to "finding themselves", they don't need gaming. If not, it would not have worked out long term. If you game your way into her underwear when otherwise you would not have closed, you are just wasting both of your time in LTR terms.
JamesSkepp Moderator 1y ago
This is "just be yourself" normie advice that is going to get guys nowhere. The whole reason why game, PUA and TRP appeared is b/c men did EXACTLY what you propose.
First-light 2 1y ago
Its still the best advice for finding a long term partner.
For me TRP goes way beyond PUA stuff -its about society as a whole- but I agree that the whole modern men's movement, including PUA skills arose because the old rules of engagement favoured women while modern society and technology had now given them huge options and minimal responsibility.
PUA skills exploit loopholes in female psychology. The biggest of these is the hypergamous quest for the best value mate. If you go in confident and fast with the appearance of high value, she has no evidence to the contrary and since high status, high value and high confidence are usually correlated, you slip in through a loophole before her value sensors can really calibrate. This is fine for short term things. It evens the odds a bit in a world where a girl can read 100 good profiles and swipe left because the next one might be better.
However for a LTR where you are wanting a life partner and a mother for your children, you actually want to know if this is a compatible woman who will find your and her MMV compatible. You have to live with her through the ups and downs. She will soon see through fake chad (usually in 3 months but 2 years max). What are you going to game her with through moving countries, through pregnancy and motherhood, through sickness and health? Its not a game its life. The rules for that have not changed. You need her to see you as you are and want that. You do want to show her the best side of you but not a game side.
You show your game to the opposition,. Finding a mate is holding trials for a slot on the home team.
JamesSkepp Moderator 1y ago
This entire paragraph:
...is what women do to snag a gullible husband when she's post-Wall and Chads don't want her anymore. Your advice is quintessential BP/normie advice for men. Might as well be picked from a dating advice blog for women. "Dear Vogue where are all the good men gone?"
Classic PUA shaming line. "PUAs manipulate women into sex". Incomplete without calling PUAs as "creepy incels using sleazy tactics to tick women".
Anyway.
This isn't what PUAs do tho. Even in the early PUA theory (2010-ish maybe) there was a large push for actually becoming high value. This later was distilled into TRP's maxim that having women is the aftereffect on working on yourself.
What PUAs do, long story short, is speedrunning the "social" speedbumps a woman might have due to societal pressure put on her not to look like a slut. It's pretty well known that a woman knows if she wants to have sex with you within minutes of meeting. There's literally ZERO things you can do after that moment if she decided that you're not fuck-worthy.
What you described doesn't happen outside actual scams from guys who steal money from rich women.
As for the final paragraph I'm gonna quote Trump "I dont know what he said in that last part and I don't think he knows either".
First-light 2 1y ago
Selecting a long term partner is selecting someone to be on the same team as you. Why try to play her? As you say women know easily if you meet their minimum criteria. So the rest is just courting, during which you or she may well decide that on second thoughts minimum criteria are insufficient for the long haul.
Sure speed run the bumps for a fling but long term its pointless and can be counter productive as you may be embarked on a relationship with someone unsuitable or who find you unsuitable. When its a good match there is no point in messing about, it all happens easily you just want to keep your wits about you because when everything in you face is going to be telling you "yes, yes. yes", you need to be looking at the more subtle things.
Racing through the speed bumps is not helpful here. She will gladly remove them all soon enough anyway. Focus on if the destination is right not how fast you drive to the start line. The first to finish the warm up is rarely the race winner. Getting your dick unloaded in her with no contraception is just getting to the starting line of having a family with a woman. Are you even in the right race or were you too busy running speed bumps to check?
Now as to the idea of improving your worth and finding success with women as a side effect -oh yes. That's not really a PUA thing though in my book, its more RP. You accept hypergamy as reality, see gynocentricity as not serving you or western society and focus on yourself. Good things follow.
In all the cases where I have had children with women, I have found that zero game was required, they practically came to me.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1y ago
lol
Musicgoon78 3 1y ago
When someone uses "partner" I think of two gay dudes. I don't like that word.
First-light 2 1y ago
I don't really like it either. Perhaps "mate" would have been better. Just trying to avoid "wife" because of the legal side. I never encourage men to look for a lawful wedded wife. Get a mate, call her your wife, fine just don't sign a paper that makes your relationship belong to the state -which is so gynocentric.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1y ago
Did you follow my link? I'm no fan of it either, and the meme makes fun of its use pretty well.
Musicgoon78 3 1y ago
Yeah I thought it was funny.
First-light 2 1y ago
I think this is actually a problem quite a lot of guys in your situation realise they have. If you have a high value passport and are used to looking for easy sex, you meet one kind of girl but the kind you want to meet in another country does not at the moment want to meet you.
You want to meet a traditional girl who is not easily going to whore herself out for a passport and the prospect of wealth in the west. You want her to care about home and family. The girls you want to meet are not looking for you -they are thinking of a more traditional guy and maybe staying close to their families. The girls who are looking for you are not going to fit the bill. The girls you want will warm up to you and the opportunities that you will offer but they are not right now looking.
The big problem is that any woman who really wants to be a housewife already is a rare bird. To be a housewife you have to be happy living on one income. Lots of girls in poorer countries think they can live just fine on one western income but they do not realise that this would only make them below average status in the west. Women care about their status relative to other women, not in absolute terms. Take a girl form a poor country and she will be madly in love with you and the idea of keeping your house -because you offer a lot more than she can get locally. Put her in your house locally and she will be a happy queen, take her home to the west and within a couple of years, she will have bitterly worked out that she is a poor dependent woman, just like her grandmother at home was. (I speak from sorry experience here). You warned her that status was a relative thing, she still begged you to bring her, so you did at considerable expense and now she is just not happy inside because she sees she has less status than other women and does not have the skills for the local workforce beyond menial jobs. She has become the sort of woman she or her mother used to pay to do chores back home. You need to find a genuinely unambitious girl -or rather a girl whose genuine number 1 ambition is to be a wife and mother. Most girls are ambitious for other things and if they are you will either be just a stepping stone for her on her journey to earning western money or a disappointment for her when she gets to the promised land and is a poorer woman than the women in her social circle because she is dependent.
The first rule of hunting is "go where the game is". So think where you can find traditional home maker girls who are not plain frumps with no other options. Then scrutinise them carefully before approaching them. Vet them early on to see if they are OK -because later they will all warm up to their opportunities as hypergamy does its thing. You will probably find these girls in smaller towns, getting on with daily life.
Its not impossible to ask someone you trust for an introduction. If you think a guy or an older woman is the right sort, you can say "I am looking for a potential solid traditional wife, can you find me any candidates back home up country? This can be surprisingly successful. But it does have to be someone you trust and value, who also thinks you are a really good guy or you will just get handed ambitious young women who have not had relationships work out for them at home -the last thing you need.
Once the finding is done, in your situation the courting itself will not be difficult. No game at all should be employed. The girl may be uncertain at first and should be given time to warm up (it will be a big change to her plans and you will be a bit of an unknown) but after that if the courting of a girl by a man who offers a passport and opportunities is hard and the girl gets tricky or uses female game -next.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1y ago
Reread HumanSockPuppet’s Guide to Managing Your Bitches that's on the sidebar, and take the following passage to heart:
10+ years of men comparing notes at both TRP and MRP have confirmed this. Even when married, your goal is to be a more fuckable man and to get sex; keeping the marriage is her problem.
The harder you look for a wife/LTR, the less likely you will be to find one. Just be open to upgrading a woman who proves herself worthy and earns it.
Newbie-Casanova 1y ago
I think this is true to an extent as well. But how can you be open for a ltr if you're located in the united states or UK? Your chances of even running across us is close to 0%.
So I did what was best for me and moved to a country where marriage, relationship, and degeneraism is very low. I am trying to maximize my chances of finding one by putting my self in positions where it's available. How can you find if you don't seek?
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1y ago
You're doing the equivalent of counting on winning the lottery for your retirement plan, instead of buying the occasional ticket in the "shit, why not?' category.
In other words, what you want might exist, but it's so infinitesimally rare that actively seeking it instead of merely being open to it should you happen to nstumble across it is a fool's errand.
That lottery analogy is only good for illustrating how rare such a woman is. Another way to look at it: it'd be pretty cool to stumble across a $100 bill, right? But would you want to waste your time wandering and staring at sidewalks, rooting through dumpsters, etc in the vain hope of finding one? You're better off accepting that it's probably not going to happen, and being thankful for it if you happen to beat the odds.
Onto other factors working against you:
1) would such a woman want you? I don't expect or even want you to qualify yourself to me on that; it's just food for thought. Keep in mind that there's far more to it than just doing well financially, having a good network, and being jacked.
2) go back and reread what I said in my original reply to you. A man actively seeking marriage/LTR rather than just granting upgrades to a woman who proves herself worthy is setting himself up for failure. He is inverting the power dynamic in the part of the interaction where he'd normally hold power, while the woman still holds her original power. Additionally, this leaves him wide open to be used and manipulated by women who pretend to be what he seeks.
JamesSkepp Moderator 1y ago
Here's the breakdown of your situation:
@Typo-MAGAshiv
Newbie-Casanova 1y ago
My points all flew past your head. As if I didn't make it clear enough I'm specifically looking for "traditional" and "conservative" women. Which is still far in between in 3rd world countries as western social powers has dug deep holes into places with internet access. It's obvious you havent step foot into latam grounds because If you did, you know that majority of the women here who look for "gringos" are mostly ran through hoes.
And degenerism is low compared to united states, though it is still very much prevalent here.
I repeated myself for the 3 time I'm specifically trying to look for tradition ltr type women. I can find the casual girls or the hoes that wants relationship here. Doesn't mean they are ltr material, you should know this
JamesSkepp Moderator 1y ago
On the contrary.
This isn't the first time I have this discussion, and every time you guys keep going to that accusation. Last time "I wasn't in xyz region b/c if I did I would know all women there are traditional and conservative". This time it's the other way around, "I havent been to xyz bc the women there are sluts and it's hard to find traditional and conservative one". In both cases it's of course the fault of the West, universal biological female nature has nothing to do with that at all.
This is the same woman, just for the different guy. If you're a proverbial Chad, she will be attracted to you regardless if she's a hoe or traditional. Attraction isn't a choice. She is traditional for you, but a slut for Chad.
You say you are jacked, rich and fuck a lot. Women are attracted to guys like you, just pick a non hoe and game her like any other girl. It's in the nature of women to try do domesticate guys they want to fuck, so she will naturally push for exclusivity and LTR.
Your real problem isn't the lack of women, your problem is that people tend to marry within their own race or culture. Every statistic from every country says so. You're a White guy among Latinos, you will always be "the White guy" especially if her peergroup is Latinos/locals only.
Did you read the sidebar on the main sub? www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill