We have been married for nearly 2 years with a 10month old baby. My wife,’21 F’ and I ‘26M’, havent had any real arguments or disagreememts in a while. Usually itl be me asking her something or pointing out something and itl develop into an argument. As of late tho ive started speaking less and pointing stuff out. Fast forward to today i was taking an afternoon nap in our bed as i have been sick with a cold for the last few weeks. Meanwhile my wife was putting our 10month old to sleep when suddenly she tickled my feet to wake me up and asked me to move over as she wanted to put our baby beside me on the bed.
I asked her why she couldnt have put her in her baby crib to which she responded that it would just be me and the baby and that she was going to do some chores. I then moved over and she put her beside me. In the past Ive noticed that she will sometimes put the sleeping baby in between us in bed at random times throughout the day, which ive suspected she does to avoid intimacy between us, however she denies it when i try to bring it up gently. She generally wants me to initiate the sex and shes fully immersed once i initiate. Anyways she puts the baby beside me and does some chores for 5mins and lays down with the baby in between us.
Fastforward to later that evening and everything was going well, i gently brought up the incident earlier in the day and reminded her of the fact that its hard for me to fall asleep which she has noticed in the past both at night and during the day. I politely asked her to not wake me up deliberately when she sees that ive fallen asleep as it will be hard for me to go back to sleep, unless its unavoidable. She agrees and we move on.
Later at night while im reading some articles, she rocks the baby to sleep and puts her in her baby crib and my wife leaves the room without saying a word. I dont think much of it but about 45mins later i leave the room and i find her laying on the floor on her phone, and i ask whats going to which she doesnt initially respond.
Eventually she claims that because i asked her to not wake me up randomly if i have fallen asleep, she interprets it as the bed being too small for us and that i dont want her around me. This is completely untrue and a wild assumption, i try to reassure and comfort her and ask her to come back to the room to which she continues to double down.
So i stick around near her and remind her that the baby is going to wake up in the middle of the night and i dont want us to have an argument trying to get her to breastfeed our baby if i have to wake her up while she continues to lay down on the floor in the living room. Eventually she comes back into our room and proceeds to sleep on the floor and says that now that shes near the baby i should be satisfied.
Ive disengaged after that comment letting her sleep on the floor and have written this for advice. In the past she has run off to the living room to sleep on the floor at a perceived slight or argument, however this has caught me off guard as i havent really done anything to make her upset, which leads me to believe this is a play for power and control dynamics, meanwhile im just trying to have smooth sailing and limit our arguments and petty situations.

Durek_The_Bald 1y ago
That whole sleeping on the floor thing is her being a child. Obviously, she knows that's not what you meant, but she's setting up a theatre play about her being a victim.
What do you do when a child sets up these little plays? Well, you can raise your voice, yell, and take away privileges. But that quickly loses its potency if you don't save those for the rare occasion. It especially loses its potency if you don't follow through on your or-else's.
Or you can just ignore it, and don't give it any attention. You wanna pretend like you can't move the train set to get to your LEGOs? Guess you're not going to be playing with your LEGOs then. Oh, you wanna sleep on the floor? Cool. Enjoy.
Or you can make fun of them. You go: "Boo hoo", and stomp your feet, as you tickle them with your finger, and rock a cheeky grin.
mattyanon Admin 1y ago
Don't argue with women. It's like arguing with children.
Instead you give warnings, then simply state your case, and last resort there are consequences (ie you behave differently as a result of her behaviour). Do not enter into discussions, "sharing our feelings" or trying to negotiate. All that stuff just tells her brain "wear him down and you will win". Any weakness from you just leads to her continuing to argue. She knows that you'll give up in the end.
So don't argue with women. Warning. Statements. Consequences. (no advance warning of the consequences, you want her scared of them, not boundary-pushing). Women don't like to be shut out and ignored. They fucking LOVE arguing because it shows what a strong position she is in.
"Make him initiate" is the first step in the power play. She is never in a vulnerable position this way. It's the man's job to make the first move THE FIRST TIME, after that you shouldn't stand for this passive shit.
It starts with getting you to initiate always. Next step is her saying no sometimes. Then her saying no often. Then her saying no most of the time. She never initiates. This is how the trap closes. She is intentionally not investing by behaving like this. And she is killing her own attraction and respect for you (semi-intentionally, although of course she'll deny it).
Intentional misunderstanding.
Proven intentional misunderstanding because she refuses to accept the truth.
Either:
She is punishing you by withholding intimacy, thereby proving you correct for making that guess about her behaviour.
Or
She can't bear the child to be left without being attended to 24/7. This is very, very bad for the child, and implies a lack of boundaries and a bonding disorder with her.
Sadly she knows that this is what you want, and therefore she knows that she can get what she wants by creating conflict and arguments.
No-Stress-Cat 1y ago
You're thinking too much about it, young brother. The baby is her attention for right now. She's a new mom. She needs your support right now. Help her out where you can. You're at the indifference stage right now, and it'll be like that for a few months. Eventually, you're kid will grow on you and it'll be your turn to be the baby hog.
After all, you're a new dad too, just trying to figure out where you fit into the equation. But don't worry, it'll all come together and you'll be blowing your wife's back out before you know it. Then comes kid #2.
mattyanon Admin 1y ago
What the fucking blue pill pile of shit is this? Get back to reddit where you belong.
No-Stress-Cat 1y ago
I take it you never had kids...FAAAAAAAAG!
No, seriously, unless one is just an outright ASSHOLE and don't give a shit about the kids, one has to face reality. We're talking about raising kids here. A man's gotta help raise the kids, teaching the boys MAN stuff and girls what a MAN expects. When I say, "help out where you can" I don't mean jump in there and do all the shit like a beta bitch. Mom has her role, Dad has his. There's nothing wrong with popping down to the store to pick up some diapers so she can change the kid.
By the way, I'm banned from Reddit for putting a bitch in her place.
mattyanon Admin 1y ago
Sure, but that wasn't OP's question. He's talking about his relationship with the mother, and about her behaviour. He's trying to make the relationship work. "Sacrifice everything, tolerate everything" is not going to make her behave better or be more considerate.
No-Stress-Cat 1y ago
Totally agree. A bitch gotta be put in her place. Stop tolerating that passive-aggressive shit.
mattyanon Admin 1y ago
I'm glad you agree, but this is the exact opposite of your original stance.
No-Stress-Cat 1y ago
I got sidetracked and totally lost the topic.
DastardlyCade 1y ago
Sex aside I’m asking about her behaviours and if I’m being manipulated or if she’s just emotionally immature. A few days ago I noticed she has this habit of talking to me like I’m a wall about random topics and at one point she’s talking to me like she’s reading a monologue while I was in the middle of something. I told her I can’t focus at the moment and we’ll continue this conversation once I’m done. This caused her to go berserk and she gave me the silent treatment for the rest of the day she even went as far as to claim that I told her “she talks to much” which I did not.
Musicgoon78 3 1y ago
Bro, what the fuck are you doing? I'm going to just be blunt because you need to hear it. First off it's your responsibility to take care of your child it's not just her. She's still having sex with you and even goes out of her way to give you space. These sound like comfort tests that you're failing miserably.
I'm the crazy manipulative bitch whisperer my friend and she isn't even remotely manipulating you. You're being an absolute drama queen.
It pisses me off to see this shit. When my daughter was born I wanted to be around her as much as possible. She used to sleep next to me as a sweaty little ball of fire in her onesie. It was cute but uncomfortable.
All parents don't get good rest when their kids are young. This was a decision that you both made. Be a dad and a good partner. She's just looking for comfort and help. This is pretty normal.
Do you want to be a partner and a father or do you want to be a single guy that pays child support?
I miss my kid. The courts will automatically treat you like a subhuman piece of shit if you decide that a partner and a kid isn't something you want.
So you need to decide if your future is being a bachelor or a father and partner. Playing these griping games is a fucking waste of time.
mattyanon Admin 1y ago
Jesus, are we being brigaded by reddit trolls?
Musicgoon78 3 1y ago
??? Did I miss something?
Oh wait, I get it. You're being passive-aggressive instead of having a conversation.
Hmm, isn't being passive-aggressive trolling??
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
This is the kind of real shit comments you rarely see in here. Respect.
DastardlyCade 1y ago
This really has nothing to do with me being a father to my kid. I love and adore my kid and do anything for my kid. I’m referring to when she tries to weaponize the kid for her own ego boost or when she acts irrationally and immature. Just to give an example I think she’s still annoyed at me for the previous nights incident where she thought it was appropriate to sleep on the ground in the living room. Fast forward to today im interacting with her positively as I’m playing with my child and she comes and grabs the baby. then I ask her if they’re going somewhere she says no she’s taking her to the living room. She then asks “aren’t you going to sleep” with no indication from me for wanting to do so, then I say no I’m perfectly fine and she still picks up the kid without saying a world and takes the child outside without saying a word.
If people actually read my post and understood what I was referring to, they’d realize I’m talking about this sort of uneasy dynamic that my wife tries to create on purpose that really affects our ability to bond. A lot of the time I don’t even call her out on these type of games but I do make a mental note of it and let it play out without giving too much of a reaction.
Musicgoon78 3 1y ago
I read your post. It's clear that these are comfort tests.
Ok, here's a question: Since you say she's trying to manipulate you. What is she trying to trick you into and what does she gain?
From what I've read, you're both tired and you seem to have some sort of covert contract like your wife can read your mind.
Now I don't doubt you love your daughter. That not the issue. The real issue is you're not steering the ship as the head of the household.
Here's a great example: "Hey babe, I can tell something bothering you. Come sit next to me and let's have a talk. I know that this parenting thing is new for both of us let's navigate it and have a conversation".
And there you go. Instead of directing your butthurt out upon the world, have a candid conversation with her. This is your chance to direct her and lay out roles and expectations.
You're telling us that she's irrational and immature. No shit buddy. She's a woman and she's full of stress and hormones. Women go insane during and after pregnancy. Look up post partum depression.
Reach down between your legs and notice that you have a pair of balls. You are the head of the household. The man. You are the rock that withstands the tide of her emotions. It's your job to reassure her and keep her in check.
Why didn't you say something to her with the sleeping on the floor bullshit?
"This is not necessary. Stop this right now. Get up here on the bed next to your husband where you belong".
If I was to guess she's getting resentful for your lack of leadership, poor communication and passive aggressive behavior. Find your balls and have a conversation like a strong man.
If you think I'm being an asshole, good. Post this exact post on askMRP on Reddit. They will eat you alive.
coolsocks00 1 1y ago
I was going to chime in in disagreement until you wrote this reply. This is exactly it @DastardlyCade .
The thing is, OP, that you’re not in a power struggle or being manipulated per se; you’re seeing a woman who’s concerned - possibly deeply - over her mans lack of leadership, and his new(?) beta behaviours.
Whenever a woman is uncertain, she’ll test you. Right now she’s sensing how much power she has over you and that you’re not the rock she thought you’d be to her in this new situation. Fuck you’re young, have a kid, and you’re MARRIED. Societal pressures are not on your side. It’s hard mode from here on.
Personally i think the angle of trying to have a rational conversation and talk about roles is a very bad idea. But the next necessary steps are undeniable: you need to proceed with calm confidence and mastery.
First thing to do is to stop asking and start leading. You’re a dominant man (not domineering). If she seems to want to play games with you, do not engage her. Brush off bullshit comments, let it be waves upon the rocky shore. Then lead the interaction towards something fruitful.
If she starts really pushing buttons, be clear in your expectations from her. Dont argue.
GET HEALTHY. Being sick is terrible for attraction, it just is. Play it down. But when you are sick, keep her compliance high. Make her keep you comfortable. She should be making you tea, soup, sucking your nuts. You get the idea.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1y ago
Hey, you're alive
coolsocks00 1 1y ago
Alive and well big guy. Good to see you holding down the fort as usual
First-light 2 1y ago
Don't worry too much about this. Trying to reason with her is like chasing a frightened animal into the bushes. She won't come to you because you are frightening her away by appearing not to consider her feelings.
She is a new mother and that is a pretty intense hormonal experience. They get all wrapped up in it and the baby is the biggest thing in their world. They can only see things through the baby. They can't see why you don't.
What you are saying makes perfect sense, there is no point in two people being woken over a baby and if one of them is supporting the other one and the baby it makes even more sense. There are heaps of modern dad types who will tell you you are bad for being logical here but it just makes sense and its perfectly fair if you are working and she is not -she needs to support you so you can support her and the child. However, one does have to try to see it through the mother's eyes too. She is just all wrapped up in her baby. Sometimes it feels like hard work for her but she is all in committed. As women do in all other things- she will welcome any help without feeling she ever owes you any understanding or pay back for it.
I would hold out with your boundaries if you don't want a slippery slope where you go to work on minimal sleep and then come home and do her job for her. Its very common these days. It renders two adults ineffectual, instead of one. Don't do that but you do need to be understanding. Don't make a big thing of any negativity form her. Don't try to reason it, just be supportive. Also as the baby is an extension of her at this stage, showing your love for the baby will also come to make her feel loved. On the other hand arguing your case will only upset her more. Her reaction was emotional not logical, you can't win this with logic.
You can say later when this disagreement is in the past "look babies kill sleep, lets make a deal not to wake each other when we are catching up on sleep"
One regret I have from the time when I had small children was not being as understanding to mothers as I would have been if I had known more then. When you are young you get (falsely) educated that men and women are basically the same except women have more rights and are allowed to flake out. Of course wise men resist this notion but its still hard sometimes to see how wrong it is. However once you become a parent, nature comes and slaps than nonsense down. Women are really quite different to men when they are being women not being girls trying to do men's stuff. They are really quite vulnerable and totally absorbed in their families -the good ones that is. While you can't allow yourself to be ridden by a hormonal backseat driver, you will feel better with life and life will feel better with you if you try hard to be understanding and caring with mothers.
Remember these days women are pretty clueless when they start. Some dimwit sent them to school with the boys and never even trained them in the job they are now doing. They have more lessons in how not to have a baby than how to have one! The insanity of that is staggering. This is the only job that actually matters in a woman's life, her one unique selling point and she has to pretty much find her own way. Its not too easy for them. They have been totally failed by the education system and you are not left holding up their world while they try to make sense of it.
This bitter old man would have been a bit more understanding if he had his time again.
DastardlyCade 1y ago
It’s interesting that you mention the baby is their main concern however, as things appear there’s times where she’s using the baby as a means of power and control. Last night as I’ve already described she decided that it was a good idea to go to the living room and sleep on the floor for seemingly no good reason knowing that her baby was going to need milk in the middle of the night. Fast forward to today and she’s still giving me the cold shoulder treatment despite me being positive and interacting positively. as I’m playing with the baby she comes and grabs the baby. then I ask her if they’re going somewhere she says no she’s taking her to the living room. She then asks “aren’t you going to sleep” with no indication from me for wanting to do so, then I say no I’m perfectly fine and she still picks up the kid without saying a world and takes the child outside without saying a word.
She closes my door and goes out and proceeds to put the kid in a seat then goes to the kitchen to cook and closes that door. I’m unaware of what she’s doing but I realize all this when the baby starts crying at the top of its lungs without a reaction from her. I proceed outside and bring the baby back in the room with me to hang out with me. It’s these times of power dynamics that annoy me not me not wanting me to be a father or have patience
First-light 2 1y ago
Everything is going to be a bit up in the air at the moment -hormones and new roles. I understand you are a loving father and patient. This is the norm and its only odd men who are not. Men are very scrutinised and criticised these days but don't be worrying too much what others think of you. You need to work on how your household will run.
There are always power dynamics in relationships and your wife is young and will not be fully mature emotionally. 21 is a great age to be a mother, just as 18 is a great age to start your first job but you won't be at the best in your job until you have done it for some years. She will lack emotional experience. She has probably looked to you to provide emotional stability more than you realise but now suddenly your roles have diverged and she is the more responsible one in child care terms. She now suddenly has a new super power -having a baby- and this may be something she uses when she shouldn't at first.
I think you will be tested and its fair to say that not all the testing will be done for fair reasons. She will want to know what she can control and what she can get you to do for her. Marriage is not a thing where you are always perfectly in step. You are the leader but now she has her own kingdom -motherhood- its something that society will give her a lot of clout for and expect you to do a lot to back her up in and she will experiment to see how far her power goes.
Try not to let friction develop. Women really remember friction around babies and pregnancy. This is going to be a real memory bump for her -everything has changed. Try to be an inspiring leader rather than a disciplinarian one here. Aim to let a lot wash off you where its just emotionally and hormonally driven. Just don't rise to it. Ignore it.
There will be a period where new ground rules are agreed. You can't let yourself become a doormat or you may have 20 years of this with 5 or 6 kids to go through! You have to use your more detached male brain to see where the line of fairness is and then lead her there, rather than push her there or worse (and I have certainly been guilty of this) take no action except get angry when she crosses the line of fairness. She is a woman with a small baby. Her brain is wrecked. She won't be thinking of fairness cool headedly. You need to think that out and then show her in a happy positive way not a reactive angry way.
Take your time to think out where fairness and benefit to the family lies and then aim to show her. Its not easy. This is not like a guy asking for dating advice, where you can try a strategy and see if it works, this is as they say "playing hard mode". Having a family is the main purpose of your marriage. You don't want to mess this up, so play conservatively in hard mode. Don't take risks. Her brain is pretty wrecked by lack of sleep, shrinkage to build and feed the baby and by high doses of hormones. Its not very together but its surprisingly easily marked right now. She won't remember what you do well or neutrally but she will get it burnt in what you do badly.
Try not to look at the small incidents or react to them but plot them and see the big picture they make up, then act with leadership. Right now she needs you to think for her, so do it well, do it fairly and do it with love.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1y ago
You're both tired and stressed. This can lead to misunderstandings. This is before even taking her wild hormonal shit into account.
Read @Musicgoon78's replies to you again, because he's right, especially this part:
She has nothing to gain from that. It's a comfort test, done subconsciously and out of instinct and borne of misunderstanding you.
I know that you probably don't have much free time, but when you get some reading time, do read the following items from MRP's sidebar:
1) "Married Man Sex Life Primer" by Athol Kay
2) "No More Mr. NiceGuy" by Dr. Robert Glover
3) "When I Say No I Feel Guilty" by Dr. Manuel Smith
To assist with your reading, I strongly recommend checking out Rian Stone's YouTube channel, where he has a playlist called "The Sidebar Series" which he recorded as companions to various sidebar items from both MRP and TRP. These videos can be listened to while driving or doing other activities, as the visual shit is just him sitting at his desk. The audio is what matters. Also, bear in mind that these are companions to the actual reading and not substitutes. He says as much himself in some of the videos.
That's all long-term stuff that can help navigate and even prevent such situations in the future. For your immediate situation, again, she was butt-hurt because of misunderstanding that stemmed from fatigue and stress. Cut her some slack. This reads like you might actually have a good woman.
Just keep in mind that good women are still women, though. They need us to be their oak, and if they earn that, fulfilling that need benefits us in turn.
whytehorse2021 1y ago
It sounds like she feels as though she's on her own with raising the baby, which is pretty much true for the first year or so. In a healthy community, other women would be helping her out and giving her social interaction. Meanwhile you would be out getting the necessary things that she can't get because of the baby(diapers, food, money, etc).
I would look into her mental health, and this requires good communication. Make sure she is talking to other women for that social outlet. Check if she is experiencing post partum depression. Make sure she gets a break now and again, especially a good night's sleep once in a while. You can use baby formula if needed.
Finally, you're going to have to work together to come up with a parenting style that's compatible with your child's needs. Both my sons slept between my wife and I for the first 3 years. One went off to his own bed at 3 and the other stayed with mom until he was 8. She recognized how it wrecked my sleep so she would sleep with him on the floor in another room(or I would sleep on the couch). Other people try to use a crib and get the baby to sleep through the night but that's not our parenting style.
Musicgoon78 3 1y ago
With my daughter I took the railing off one of the long sides of her crib. I butted it up against our bed and zip tied and secured her crib right next to the bedframe and mattress. My daughter could sleep next to us and still sleep in her own crib. It gave us more room on the bed and she felt loved.
I feel like being a parent will bring out a creative problem solving side of men.
whytehorse2021 1y ago
There's also a long tubular pillow called a Dutch widow or something to keep the baby from rolling off the bed.