I am generalizing somewhat, so please bear that in mind when I make my comments.
I live in western Europe and have an academic profession and work in a senior management position. There are almost no attractive women in my social environment. The women are all feminists, but they only want the things that are positive for them. Shared bills? No thanks. Of course the man has to pay. The same man who is an asshole when he says openly and neutrally that she has gained weight. He has to take her as she is, otherwise he doesn't love her and she deserves better. Other women who dress feminine? All cheap sluts. Women who remain housewives? Stupid.
It seems to me that I have to choose between a higher level of education but picky feminist or a lower level of education, but then maybe feminine. Whereby women with a low level of education by my observation want to take the easy way, often have no goals in life and find it difficult to postpone their needs.
Am I in a feminist bubble or do others share my observation? If I am in a bubble, where can I find educated feminine women? If my observation is correct, how should I best deal with it?
MyBoyJob 11mo ago
I’ve been noticing it as well. Non educated women are best. That doesn’t mean they are stupid. A woman who cuts hair and does it well can easily pull in more money than some useless project manager or Human Resources agent.
I have noticed a few rare exceptions, mainly women that came from a conservative religious background and are smart enough to compare their mental stability with those of her feminist colleagues
mattyanon Admin 11mo ago
Right. Attractive women are less likely to be feminist.
It's called feminism. It isn't called equalism. Feminism is all about trying to find an area of perceived inequality and then getting preferential treatment in that area. Overall fairness is not a goal. Overall fairness is to be avoided.
Feminism is a lazy woman's way of getting men to do things for her. They pretend it's about equality, but only because that lie is useful to get men to do things (because men value fairness).
You are not going to find your equal. An attractive, well educated, non-feminist woman who just loves you for you and isn't a slut.
Sorry, it doesn't exist.
Right
Women are for sex.
You don't need her to be educated.
You want attractive, feminine, fairly intelligent. You're not going to find a hot virgin doctor who wants to suck your dick all night and marry you.
First-light 1 11mo ago
I think the OP is pointing out a truth here. Good women are very rare in the west. To be a good quality western woman who is also attractive to a man who is not a liberal loser can really only be achieved by seeing through the mess of modern western civilisation. Not many women do this when modern western civilisation is set up both to please them by catering to their every whim and to exploit them -by sending them to work instead of letting them succeed genetically and then taking away most of their income in tax and unnecessary purchases that prey on female desires.
The western woman is as much the victim of the western world as the western man but thanks to gynocentricity, she gets everything she wants from it apart from genetic success. Few women have a problem wit that. Intelligent capable women are likely to go and get the best they can from this world and be glad of it. Its only a rare few who have stopped and questioned it. Most of these are in some way a bit different or even damaged. Something has to have happened to even make them question the matrix.
There are lots of different types of intelligence and success and university educated middle class intelligence generally means a woman is utterly ruined as a partner for a man.
The pickings are very thin, They are getting thinner abroad too as more and more capable women go western, get bank cards and spend. Women working in unnecessary admin jobs, either paid for by government or forced on employers by government regulation, then spending their wages is what keeps the western capitalist model of the economy as tax and spend big state going. It gives women everything they want in return for doing work of minimal effort or value. Of course they are going to love the system and want to be strong independent women who are of minimal value.
Intrepid_Place53900 1 11mo ago
Stop measuring "Intelligence" by education. Very often the two do not correlate
benzino 11mo ago
One of my ex's was a cool, educated girl. Liked punk rock and metal, was a big feminist before she met me. Then I introduced her to Milo Yannopoulous and Ben Shapiro back in 2015 or something and she turned conservative lol.
I broke up with her but I still think of her fondly. The last ex I just broke up with last week though, was gen z and very liberal. I tried to bring up some points for discussion but I could see the uneasiness on her face and her tone of voice.
I met both of them when they were in university though, so I think it will be much harder with younger generations. I think you could try finding common interests like books or movies to get a sense of their views and go from there.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 11mo ago
Yes.
Perfect. You shouldn't be shitting where you work anyway and that only helps you keep your nuts in your boxers.
Your attitude is severely broken and borders on delusional class/caste requirements. Most degrees are worthless and "education" shouldn't be a feminine imperative for women to pursue anyway. Just because women choose not to throw their lives away on worthless degrees or high stress job track degrees is a NEGATIVE in your eyes? Dear Lord. Educated ≠ smart
Wouldn't you WANT a woman who instead devoted her life to low stress careers that she is passionate about instead of feminazi indoctrination camps? Do you want your highly educated™ potential wife to come home from her highly educated job everyday unwilling to give you a blowjob because of how stressed™ she is from work
Dang, man. Academia has polluted your mate selection
benzino 11mo ago
OP also said this
I do find what OP said to be true where I live. There is often nothing to talk to with them. They are just as materialistic, if not more than the girls I usually date, and accompanied by bad taste too. It's not that they CHOSE a low stress career but more often than not, it's one of the few options they have.
Though if I do find a girl like you said, who is attractive enough, have decent moral values, and isn't poisoned by modern leftard bullshit, I would take her in a heartbeat, even if she sweeps the streets for a living.
FDraper 11mo ago
You got me wrong. I don't need a girl with degrees. She doesn't have to have an acdemia job. I want a girl with good values that is not boring and not feminist.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 11mo ago
Re-read what you typed and tell me this doesn't sound like your tone is just bitching about/settling for more traditional women like it's a bad thing:
Cc: @benzino
Musicgoon78 3 11mo ago
In 7.5 billion people, you're telling me that there aren't any educated feminine women? Are you actually opening you eyes, or do.you want them to just show up at your doorstep?
The thing with women is that they don't do the pursuing. So you'll have to look and look in the right places
Get out and do fun things that you enjoy and talk to people around you.
Lone_Ranger 3 11mo ago
you are correct.
One of my plates is lovely looking, feminine lady, educated to masters level. She's fun, feminine, great looking, slim, has beautiful long hair and is very well behaved.
They are out there.
maybe the best thing is to get out there and talk to women IRL. Not sit at home whining.
Durek_The_Bald 11mo ago
All women are feminists in the sense that feminism is just female nature taken to the political stage. So you're already off to a logical dead-end if you think there are "feminists", and then there are "other women". Even women who loudly and vehemently oppose feminism (often as a mating strategy) are feminists by nature.
All female nature.
Obviously, there are degrees to feminism, in the same way that there are degrees to which women allow themselves to indulge in their own nature. But the worst, most toxic, most insufferable feminists are simply women who have no self-control with regards to their own nature.
Obviously, avoid women who are self-indulgent, and have no self-control. But you cannot escape female nature if you want anything to do with women, so you have to learn to deal with it.
The answer is to have - and to maintain - a strong, masculine frame, and to only allow women who have the tingles for you (as judged by their actions) into your life. Those two things combined (frame + tingles) makes them fall in line.
Women are chameleons, and will readily shape-shift when in the presence of a strong, masculine frame they would like to hold on to. So whilst you're right to be critical of their attitudes, tastes and opinions, you also need to keep in mind that they're highly flexible (so long as you're a guy it's worth being flexible for).
In my opinion, you're making the whole issue of "feminism" into a bigger deal than it has to be in your personal life. If you go for women who show that they're into you, and you maintain a strong frame, you'll be surprised how quickly they'll change their "opinions" on just about anything.
MrSupreme 11mo ago
Are there broke smart men
whytehorse2021 11mo ago
My wife's cousin is an M.D. Ultra-conservative Muslim, married, has kids, super hot. It all has to do with their parents and society around them. I just saw a study that proved Democrats(left) are uglier than Republicans(right). So there's your answer. You work in a leftist institution. Of course the women are all fat and ugly. Of course they think it's unfair and lean towards communism/collectivism. Of course all the men are soy boys. Maybe go hang out at an Orthodox Church and see what real men and women look like.
slowlylearning1 11mo ago
Educated, western, liberal women are literally not worth the squeeze. You'll find the odd nugget amongst them, but some are completely indoctrinated that they are militant about it. They'll grind you down, and the older you get - if you are happy, and she is not - she won't like it, and make life difficult at times.
Good women will hold their hands up every now and again, to admit they were wrong, but many won't even do it. And if you are looking at a normie, basic bitch 6/10 often nuanced or abstract humor is wasted on them, so if you are any form of neurodiverse, ADHD, etc life with a NPC yet mildy attractive woman might start off well, but you'll get bored very quickly, and she'll get bitter.
Western, especially nordic women (might look great) most of them believe all this bollocks. I've find women with hobbies, or eccentirc/arty/even hardcore leftists but women with a passion for something, tend to be more easy going and will give you an interesting conversation. The sexy ones are in high demand though, so you need to be on your top to even get a sniff there.
Working class/poorer women are more fun but they have lots more baggage in a different way.
Basically go with your gut, and you have to be the one calling the shots from the get go, or you'll be in trouble from the start.
slowlylearning1 11mo ago
Educated, western, liberal women are literally not worth the squeeze. You'll find the odd nugget amongst them, but some are completely indoctrinated that they are militant about it. They'll grind you down, and the older you get - if you are happy, and she is not - she won't like it, and make life difficult at times.
Good women will hold their hands up every now and again, to admit they were wrong, but many won't even do it. And if you are looking at a normie, basic bitch 6/10 often nuanced or abstract humor is wasted on them, so if you are any form of neurodiverse, ADHD, etc life with a NPC yet mildy attractive woman might start off well, but you'll get bored very quickly, and she'll get bitter.
Western, especially nordic women (might look great) most of them believe all this bollocks. I've find women with hobbies, or eccentirc/arty/even hardcore leftists but women with a passion for something, tend to be more easy going and will give you an interesting conversation. The sexy ones are in high demand though, so you need to be on your top to even get a sniff there.
Working class/poorer women are more fun but they have lots more baggage in a different way.
Basically go with your gut, and you have to be the one calling the shots from the get go, or you'll be in trouble from the start.
Lone_Ranger 3 11mo ago
I recently met a woman I really like. She is very attractive, sexy, well educated to masters level, short and petite, long hair, very feminine, pretty, submissive, tolerant. In many ways, I can't really understand why she hasn't been snapped up. She's 41 years old (i'm 53). And she's really keen on sex.
She's originally from South America. I think it would be next to impossible to find a western woman that was like her.
SpiritualEnema 11mo ago
I’d date a McDonald’s cashier before I’d even glance at a highly educated career woman. It’s hypergamy on overdrive. They are single for a reason.