Everytime I meet a new girl it's just a loop (it varies sometimes I can pull rly well sometimes not at all). We see once, max 2 times and then she's gone. I do some stuff like kissing, makeout, cuddling, but that's rly it. Can't even pull a lay since some of them aren't 1 night hoes. It's like they're taking advantage of me bcs they're bored, but wont give the final prize if u know what I mean. I don't know if it's an external problem or internal. I think it's a specific characteristic in me so they disqualify for me; it's just I don't know what's rly the source of problem. Appreciate the help!
SSBPikkon
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Lone_Ranger 2 3mo ago
Are you taking these girls out on 'dates'? If so, that could be your problem right there.
I see young men making this mistake all the time - they have a doom loop system that goes like this;
Is that what you are doing?
Because that is not the type of guy that women fuck. That is not chad.
Are you chad? Tell us honestly. Or are you a number hunting beta bux kind of guy that wants to go out on a 'date'?
be honest with us.
(PS - you write...since some of the aren't 1st night hoes. Every woman is a 1st night hoe for the right chad. You just aren't the right chad.)
miserabletogreat 3mo ago
Coule you maybe describe how it would go for Chad too?
Lone_Ranger 2 3mo ago
Chad would single out a girl that he fancied - usually at a venue, but not always. But the difference between chad and number hunting beta sperg is that chad is not interested in her number, he is interested in smashing.
Chad will chat to the woman, and immediately sexualise the interaction. Chad never hides behind excuses. He keeps it nice and light and airy. He is confident and slick - so that she knows that he does this all the time. She knows that if she says no, he will turn right around and chat up some other chick, and smash her instead.
Chad makes sure that this woman knows that he can smash almost any woman that he wants. So he makes her feel special just by the fact of him talking to her. Women love men that are sluts, they hate men that are incels. So the more vibes you give off as man-slut, the more interested she will be.
Chad never asks for numbers. If she offers up her number, he says
"Why would I need your number? I got your right here in front of me"
She might say,
"So you can call me later"
Chad would say
"Oh, I'm busy later...right now, I'm free"
Chad will make her feel that this is a once in lifetime opportunity to get with a guy far far far above her in SMV. She will drop her panties for him that same day /evening, because she knows he has so many options.
Chad will not try to terminate the interaction to get a number (and then pivot to orbiting) he will bring her on an adventure right there and then. She wants to be 'swept away'. that's what women want. They want to feel 'lost in the moment' which will give them the excuse to do things 'that they never normally do' ....like shag a guy they just met without a condom.
When a woman says 'I never normally do this sort of thing'.... she means she never normally does that sort of thing for billy beta. She ALWAYS does that sort of thing for chad. Women have different rules for different men.
Chad will then bring her straight back to his place and fuck her. No dinner, not dates. She will then be texting him in the morning. And he will reply
"sorry - who is this?"
Which will make her panties soaking wet straight away.
That is how it goes for chad.
SSBPikkon 3mo ago
So what kind of a "date" should I set up? Can you specify?
Lone_Ranger 2 3mo ago
The best date is no date.
Tell her to come over to yours. Or tell her you are feeling hungry, and she can make you dinner at hers.
Lionsmane8 3mo ago
Insta-sates are foreign territory for most guys.
I only recently unlocked those, however for the chicks where I'm from, once the high from the insta date wears off, they raise their guard and go back into trying to turn you into an orbiter.
My advice for getting this sorts of instadates (spontaneous outings) would be to tell a guy to prioritize "connection" & "emotions" & "adventures" over collecting numbers.
But that depends on the guy, the context and the girl.
Redpillpusher 3mo ago
1) a date where you spend very little to no money or 2) a date where you spend money but it is obvious that you aren't going out of your way to impress her (i.e. your favorite restaurant or, as in my case, favorite gun range where the employees know you) That way she doesn't file you in the friend/paypig/etc. category. As I've always stated, before females are females or males are males we are humans. Thus, overall, we behave in very similar ways. The same way you would automatically categorize your 1st date as an easy whore if she came through in a tight outfit and tongue ring is the same way they categorize the guy who takes them to a 5 star restaurant on the 1st date without knowing their last name as a pay pig. Start looking at females as humans b4 they're females & you'll answer many of your own questions
SSBPikkon 3mo ago
I do that for that reason alone. Every 1st date we go for a walk and then sit somewhere nice and talk without spending money. Us both are more comfortable and more close rather than outside somewhere where she is in front of me which looks like an interview.
Redpillpusher 3mo ago
Alright cool but you must also always have the objective to take her home with you & make it known to her. "The night's still young, what you got going on after this? This new __ on Prime looks funny but I feel like a lame watching it alone". She can either a) agree (now you can escalate further at home), b) decline but as a result of her liking you, make it obvious she is open to continue dating you or c) flat out decline with no hint of planning further dates (strongly suggesting she isn't interested in you like that & your cue to move on to the next).
SSBPikkon 3mo ago
Yeah, some of them would come some wont. The problem is when they come I don't fuck any of them and that's the problem.
Lone_Ranger 2 3mo ago
maybe you didn't sexualise soon enough.
You can sexualise very easily with your voice, your touch, how close you stand. Unflinching eye contact is often enough.
I went out with a girl from Uni once and she told me much later that she decided that she was going to let me smash way before I spoke a single word to her. I was sitting opposite her in a tutorial (round table style) and I was just staring into her eyes. She would stare back at me, went red in the face, and then looked away. When she looked back, I was still staring at her.
She told me months later while we lying in bed that it caused her vagina to contract, and she felt wet immediately.
The work should be done before you get back to your place. She'll agree to come back to yours for some netflix, but if you're doing it right, that TV will never even get turned on.
SSBPikkon 3mo ago
Yeah, it could be. If I sexualise too late it can lead to a no to a smash.
Lionsmane8 3mo ago
Could be a mismatch between what you're looking for and what she's looking for.
For example, she's looking for a provider and you're giving off player vibes.
Or, she's looking for alpha dicking and you are giving provider/bf vibes.
Or she likes you enough to go on dates, but for some reason doesn't move forward as you might not be her best hypergamous option at the moment.
Just keep plugging the numbers in and building experience.
Lone_Ranger 2 3mo ago
very good point.
She could also be looking for different things from different men.
She is looking for a good dicking from chad, but at the same time, she has one eye on the CC exit - so she is going on dates looking for betas for LTRs.
Lionsmane8 3mo ago
Some girls are also looking to collect options.
We have a lot of girls like that here (typically virgins).
She knows that the only way she can keep you in orbit is if she agrees to go on dates with you (and drip feed some intimacy).
If she figures out that you're a wolf and out hunting for meat, she recoils and falls back into the safety of her orbiter net.
SSBPikkon 3mo ago
Yeah, I can see that. Seen it a million times. Has a boyfriend, but lets other guys get her number to be an another orbiter, to kiss her or even fuck her if it's a chad. Any girl has an excuse for some guy. In my case I think I always set a standard for a smash. I don't give of boyfriend vibes, and that's the good and a bad thing. The bad is I don't get to smash since I'm not that big of a chad yet it seems and can't keep her around for another try.
NeoSpartan 3mo ago
This was my problem when I started dating again after taking a long break in my mid 20s. Lots of first dates that didn't go anywhere at the start. Wasn't building up enough physical "sparks" and that is definitely my strongest appeal. (I don't have very much money).
Then I started turning up the kino escalation and the problem pretty much ended. Still got bad dates occasionally but my success rate went way up. From like... 5% to 50%. You can definitely still get a gf with this method, provided you are enjoyable to be around and the girl isn't materialistic. Some girls will just wanna be casual tho. Depends. Can definitely change. Girls tend to catch some pretty strong feels after you fuck, it's biological or something.
SSBPikkon 3mo ago
Yeah, I think it's a mismatch or I'm not that big of a chad.
Lone_Ranger 2 3mo ago
to a large extent, our roles are chosen.
How do you identify? What do you want to be?
SSBPikkon 3mo ago
Half way to the chad rn. Not an beta or orbiter for sure.
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SSBPikkon 3mo ago
Dates u mean like dates with dinner or coffee shops or just a casual date on a bench on remote location like a park?
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Lone_Ranger 2 3mo ago
correct.
I would advise all men to avoid classic 'dates'.
Instead, let her tag along to something you are doing anyway.
For extra clout, invite her along to something where you are going with other people, especially other guys. Something like;
'I'm going to our local dive bar on Friday - they always have a band and I usually meet up with some of my bros and shoot pool - wanna come along?"
Pro tip: do NOT offer to pick her up in your car. Just give her the address.
The genius of this is that it is both a high compliment AND and dis. You are dissing her by saying that you are not going to be going out of your way to please her. She will say 'hey, that's not a date!'
To which you reply: 'Who said anything about a date?? We're just going to hang out and have some fun"
You are welcoming her into your life, showing her that you have a social circle, but you are not doing anything special for her. This is always how I have done it. Let her tag along, to a party or whatever. And introduce her as 'a friend'.
It puts the onus on her to escalate - and the only way they know how to escalate is by giving up the poon.
Thats all they have.
SSBPikkon 3mo ago
Done that similarly. We chill somewhere and I say "The boys are waiting, gotta go, bye".Only part I've missed is like shopping or something like that. It's a small place where I live and nobody does that. It's not an excuse, just saying. The closest thing I did is if they're more "open" I'd invite them to a party where my group is and she can call a girl or 2 or we call some other chicks and then we have fun.
Lionsmane8 3mo ago
Where I'm from (conservative country), this is the worst type of advice you can give to a man.
Musicgoon78 1 3mo ago
I agree 1000% this is a coward's move.
SSBPikkon 3mo ago
Agree 100%. I live in a more conservative country, some of them initiate first by kino escalation; nothing special at first. Some of them literally will wait for hours until I make a 1st move. They test the waters to see If I'm hesitant or bold and just do it at the right time.
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SSBPikkon 3mo ago
If you meant it like that, that's understandable yeah.
Lionsmane8 3mo ago
Where I'm from, they are all hunting for beta bucks marriage (can't blame them).
They are more than content to chill with you, waste your time and money and do nothing sexual.
If you don't escalate, you won't get to eat.
Musicgoon78 1 3mo ago
Well we don't know more so this is just us guessing. I'm going to say that most guy that aren't successful with keeping a woman usually fall under the category of "not confident".
What I mean in this case, is more of a comfort in your own skin and comfort with your sexuality. I tell guys to sexualize the conversation smoothly and almost immediately. If you're showing comfort with being a sexual man, she will find that comfort and competence sexy and fuck you.
He who hesitates, masturbates. Do you escalate with purpose or meekly try after long bouts of gathering courage? If a girl wanted you to kiss her an hour ago and then after 2 hours you kiss her, that's not good.
The second problem plays into the first: most guys are boring. They go on a "date" and maybe grab a lame dinner or walk in a park. The ask interview style get to know you questions and have the personality of a baked potato.
Women don't like to be bored. They like to be challenged, they like to be stimulated, they like a certain level of discomfort, they like to be shocked or surprised. What they don't like is to be bored. This shows no value.
I would take a look at the interactions. Be honest with yourself. Did you find yourself hesitating a lot and did you do anything that would be considered exciting?
SSBPikkon 3mo ago
It could be that my dates are "boring" even though I'm not. Every girl says I'm fun to be around so Idk. I do hesitate sometimes not a lot, but sometimes.
NeoSpartan 3mo ago
Yeah, that's one of the reasons I always do some kind of fun thing when I set up a date. Pool, mini golf, bouldering, interesting museums. Stuff like that. Also, you might as well do something you like if you are going out.
Dinners are pretty boring imo, talk and watch each other eat? Gay.
First-light 3mo ago
Getting selected as dating material is usually the biggest hurdle, so I think you can't be too underconfident or under attractive. with what we have to go on here (which is not much) I would say its probably the way you interact.
Do you talk with her not to her? Do you help her to feel good during the date. going out with a magnificent guy is of course one thing to make a girl feel good but courtship is a dance. You have to make her feel she shines with you, just as a dancer helps his partner to show off her femininity. How you talk with her is a big part of this.
Are you just making a straight line t the physical side without getting her relaxed, happy and confident in your company. If so its border line creepy to girls. Just because uber chad can bang girls with a bit of chat doesn't mean its all just because he is an uber chad, he will also be very experienced at setting her at ease.
SSBPikkon 3mo ago
Didn't want to go into too much of detail in the post to not be too boring. Also they feel relaxed with me for the most part. They come with me to the apartment and all that, but it doesn't escalate to the final part.
MrSupreme 3mo ago
If what you're doing doesn't work then try something different,like this: don't get them too horny if you're not gonna fuck that same day but leave them wishing for more, there's a balance you gotta achieve there, it helps to be the one to escalate and de-escalate the kissing, touching and sexual contact,be in charge of it don't let her take the lead. See if that works,you have like a thousand first dates to try different stuff, calibrate and don't keep doing the same stuff over and over if there's no good feedback
SSBPikkon 3mo ago
Was thinking the same thing. When I didn't have as much of a abundance I always tried to go as deep and far as I could since who knows when I'll find another opportunity like this. I think I maybe scare them a little since I always end up with a kiss or makeout or more on a 1st date which I thought it's a good thing. It may be that they go home, reflect on it, activate ASD and they feel like a hoe since they were so easy and fell for me. Then some time passes and they feel ashamed for what they've done. It loks like I'm not the biggest chad for them to sleep on 1st date so I need to come more reserved and let them want more. Some of my buddies left the date with 0 or a 1 kiss and that's it and they maintain that girl even after. It could be that my mentality form before is blocking me right now, maybe I should be more reserved from now on
MrSupreme 3mo ago
Reserved but horny, don't forget to let her know you're a sexual person and you have sexual intentions, never keep that off her mind and make it part of your frame.If it leaves her mind,it leaves the frame and it leaves the dynamic, she'll turn you into an orbiter