I’m trying to get some of your guys experience with online dating, assuming you are successful with it. I’m 34, white, American, successful.
For any girl younger mid 20s and below it seems like being a normal man and trying to at least sorta build rapport is a straight losing strategy. Recent successful openers include “naughty or nice?”, “you got a nice backside to you”, “best ass I’ve ever seen, definitely a two hander”, “those hips would make some great handlebars” Conversations escalate sexually, leading to Snapchat exchange (gay I know but the disappearing messages and anonymity are great), leading to nude exchanges, and … hookup. On the other end of this, if I match with an older girl, this talk is met with an unmatched. I’ll keep it normal, even go on a date, but my spider senses tell me she’s already fucking another guy. (Usually true). Leading to a straight waste of weeks if I even try to date.
Shit is really boggling my mind. Totally different scene from a decade ago. Are all these young chicks ALL sluts now. Are the older ones now ultra alpha widowed, and only hooking up with ultra chad? Not to brag, but a level up from me would be a bonified Chad. And there’s so very few of them….
NeoSpartan 1y ago
What app are you using though? Sounds like just tinder. Tinder is the hookup app.
Other apps usually have different types of girls, depends how they market themselves ya know? Hinge is going to find you more ltr focused girls, tinder the opposite.
I haven't used any in like 2 years, but I doubt they could have changed that much.
No-Stress-Cat 1y ago
Dating is for old fogies like me. Go out and get laid, young man.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
I think what happened was the apps used to be kind of different. If you wanted to fuck you used tinder. If a girl wanted to filter better without pressure, she used bumble. If people wanted to date more seriously they tried hinge.
Not to imply there weren't sluts on all the apps but i think there became a point with more wide OLD app usage when sluts just started downloading all 3 (add Facebook dating as well). The regardless of what app you used they started having short term fun options etc
Now all the apps have no identity. Hinge was "meant to be deleted". That was their whole slogan. Now you can overtly select a looking for short term fun option on hinge. None of these apps have a premise of dating any more.
When i first started using OLD 3 years ago it was pretty decent. I had a less than medium quality profile and STILL got laid. Then they started rolling out more algorithm, stupidly expensive platinum benefits, etc. you either got fucked by the algorithm or other people being seen first etc and probably shadow banning or de-ranking.
Then you have top picks. The app lets every girl and her sister know who all the chads are. Why would she want to swipe on anyone else
I think part of the problem is not only did the apps lose any semblence of identity they were supposed to have (excluding tinder) but women are constantly shoved in the face with the best dudes and natural hypergamy.
Women also now just download these apps for fun. While women likely always downloaded these apps for some semblence of fun and validation, it is a driving reason for stupidly high amounts of women to download it. Men don't download apps for validation. They download these apps for results
Women treat their matches like trading cards and then fuck whoever gives them tingles. They don't even need these apps. The entire modern premise of OLD as they are in the modern age is just horseshit, and combined with algorithmic bias and shenanigans, the apps have declined heavily the past few years
The incentive structure for these apps is just far worse than they ever were originally. Before you basically had a fairly equal chance to meet people. You can't even get passed a lot of app bullshit now before a girl even sees your profile at all.
There is no one main cause for the decline of these apps, it is just a perfect clusterfuck of poor incentive structures, corporate greed, and other bullshit
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
I'm not saying you can't succeed on old but the same results a mediocre profile and food opening message game would give you 3-4 years ago requires a semi-Chad or chad Profile to achieve now. Hoelation is a serious issue on the app and what top 20% would have gotten you now requires top 2%
You can still succeed on OLD but your profile better be the best pics imaginable with a bunch of traveling, tasteful muscle pics, nice house in image etc with a good camera.
Combine that with all the alpha widow burnout women have on OLD and all they want is one new Chad after the other to replace the last Chad that ghosted them.
It's a Chad's playground now, play the game accordingly.
MyBoyJob 1y ago
Yeah it’s so bad, I was on Reddit’s Tinder/Bumble/Hinge, which is just fem owned now, no real men left posting there, and so many posts are from women like “I brought up exclusivity with a guy I was sleeping with and now he has ghosted me, how do I get him back” or “it’s so frustrating, why does every guy just sexy me” Because he can you dumb bitch
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
This
Either be Chad or don't use the app sadly
AbusiveFather1 1y ago
Don’t do it. It’s stupid: the odds are heavily skewed in the woman’s favor. An average girl there is more successful than Brad Pitt.
mattyanon Admin 1y ago
Rapport is not attraction......... initial rapport puts you in the friend zone.
right. they are looking for a provider.
joyboy 1y ago
Idk dude last time i tried a sexual opener i got banned pretty quick. I get a lot of matches but it rarely materializes into a meetup. Like you said I think a lot of girls use it for validation/entertainment or just finding the best possible guy they can
whytehorse2021 1y ago
OLD has changed. It's basically a marketing funnel. I don't have time for it anymore and could care less.