A question for all the social dynamics experts. I've come to notice a pattern in my life which seems to go something like this:
1) I meet someone and decide to be nice/kind to them, as this is my default nature (I try to be kind and respectful to people until they give me a reason to do otherwise). We develop a friendly, although not very close, relationship. Sometimes there might be a power imbalance where I would be at least somewhat higher social status. E.g., the other person is the maintenance guy at my apartment complex, or a lonely older neighbor woman.
2) This other person wants and expects me to do something with/for them. However, I'm not under any obligation to do this thing. I disappoint them by not doing the thing.
3) They lash out by doing something "bitchy" (usually passive-aggressive).
I understand being disappointed, but their response is out of line and not something I deserved (at least I don't think so). Am I just noticing this when I happen to be dealing with bitchy types and it's nothing to do with me? There are always such people, but my subjective opinion is that it happens more than it should. I almost think they see me as weak or a pushover so they can get away with this shit. Do I need to project strength more, maybe I'm too nice?

hackerman 1y ago
I tend to have this too. People assume some unwritten power relation over me. When I stand up the conflict gets over hot. I can handle violence, fighting sports half my life - just feel surprised of people getting uncomfortable as fast as I treat them equally same as they treat me.
TJMS 1y ago
Here's a thought: are you soft-spoken? I'm a natural introvert and have been soft-spoken most of my life; only recently have I worked on developing a powerful, manly, pleasing voice. It seems to have paid dividends. In civilized society, a man's voice and ability to speak is one of his most potent weapons.
No-Stress-Cat 1 1y ago
Learn this phrase: "What's in it for me?"
DragonNuts 1y ago
No is a complete sentence. Learn to say No whenever you feel it necessary and stop caring if they don't like you anymore.
You can also say "You're being incredibly arrogant/abrasive. What's the matter with you?" Especially if you're in a room full of peoppe.
TJMS 1y ago
Yes, calling out bullshit is important and effective, I try to do this whenever the situation calls for it.
mattyanon Admin 1y ago
1 - ok.... be respectful..... but "nice" has issues
2 - this sounds like they are disrespecting you. you are being too nice, you are coming across like a provider / fixer / slave for them. maintain boundaries and don't do shit for people until they prove that don't see you as a slave. one way is to make them wait and/or pay for anything you do so that you maintain control. Maintaining control over your productivity is the basic way to fix this.
3 - right. You start with "I will do stuff for you". They ask for that stuff. They are upset you won't do it.
You need to maintain status and control FROM THE START.
TJMS 1y ago
As for #1, I definitely try to maintain my boundaries and not be a "nice guy", maybe there's just something about me or how I act that makes them think I am one?
I'm thinking what you say on #2 might be on the right track.
As for #3, I don't usually start with "I will do stuff for you," sometimes people just seem to assume it. (More based on their wants/expectations (unreasonable or not) than anything I've told them.)
mattyanon Admin 1y ago
Don't ask questions.
Don't obey, don't do anything anyone tells you to do it, don't be compelled to answer all questions, don't be controlled in any way.
Provider behaviour is a subtle failure
They assume it for a reason.
AbusiveFather1 1y ago
some options (could be all of them):
1) you live in america - an individualistic gynocentric society, as opposed to various other countries that are collectivist androcentric societies. everybody's number one concern here is themselves, and if your number 1 priority is not them then they're baffled and antagonized.
2) you're surrounded by nasty people.
3) you're hypersensitive to bitchy attitudes. humans tend to notice negative things more than positive ones, but that's something that you can consciously take your focus off (stoicism).
p.s. androcentric communities, counter-intuitive to the "competitive" nature of males, actually value the fellow man's well being more than in gynocentric communities, which value self-benefit above all else.
benzino 1y ago
you are surrounded by narcissists, or at least tend to gravitate towards them, that's what. Entitlement is one of the obvious traits. Recognize the behaviors of narcissists, and stay away from them
First-light 2 1y ago
Check its a real pattern and not your personal perception. If it is a real pattern, it is because you really are making them feel you are going to do something nice for them and then disappointing them.
Genuinely we all feel a bit out of sorts when we are denied something we feel we were promised or at least led to think we would be given. Even if we have no actual right to the thing, we are still pissed off if we counted it as ours and then lost it. Its human nature. Do they think you owe them i return for something? Are you coming on too compliant and offering too much then realising you need to pull yourself back? Are you being very hard line and not giving an inch more than you need to? Its complex and will needs close objective examination. That is hard for you and pretty much impossible for us filtering reality only through your perception.
I suspect that unless its a run of bad luck (and randomly you can get a run of bad interactions) it has something to do with your reading of social situations either in your perception of bitchiness or your understanding of m=normal social obligation in non close relationships.
Go steady and look critically at situations, maybe write nots of your experiences to read back in a bunch later to see if any constants can be found.
whytehorse2021 1y ago
One thing that has helped me is to realize that everyone has their own self-interest at heart. So you are only valued so far as you serve other people's self-interest. The old lady neighbor wants to get mounted by a young stud. First she tries to get you talking to her, then she has you over to help with whatever gets you into her house, then you pump her full of cum. She then gets bitchy when that doesn't happen.
The apartment maintenance guy wants a male tenant that takes care of his own problems because he's sick of women that call every time a screw is loose or a light bulb goes out.
Does that make sense? Your value is defined by what you provide to others, and their value is defined by what they provide to you. Ideally people provide equal value to each other.
MyBoyJob 1y ago
Depends on what the thing is. You cannot maintain a friendship with someone and continually deny invitations and favors. Just do them unless you have a true reason not to. Being social is always better than watching the “next episode” or compulsively gymcelling
TJMS 1y ago
Thanks for the good insights fellas, lots to think about.
I'm going to start by trying to be more aggressive/assertive in dealing with such people, to see if they were getting too comfortable with me.
Lone_Ranger 3 1y ago
dont confuse aggression with assertiveness
Aggression = anti social behaviour, usually a sign of weakness, poor impulse control and low social status
Assertiveness = polite but firm, self assured. Knows boundaries, expects others to know boundaries. Able to communicate and handle other people. Self confident, happy, calm.
You can be assertive and smile at the same time.
TJMS 1y ago
I hear and largely agree with what you're saying, but there's maybe another sense of "aggressive" which would apply, something along the lines of "acting with vigor and without hesitation." Being aggressive isn't always bad; for example, Kobe Bryant was an aggressive basketball player.
Lone_Ranger 3 1y ago
nope. He was a skilled basket baller.
An aggressive player would be the one that gets sent off for fouls, then pushes the ref, then gets into a shouting match with his manager, punches a security guard that tries to intervene, gets arrested in the changing room, then gets handed a 6 month ban, then dropped from his team.
That's aggression. Its a losers emotion. they end up in the gutter.
TJMS 1y ago
Again, I think we're talking about a difference in definition and/or context of the term "aggression". The kind of basketball player you described I'd call a "fool". You can be aggressive and yet controlled and intelligent about it. "Aggressive" is "attacking" in the sense I was using it, and Kobe definitely was that.
Here's Kobe's own words about his playing style: "Just mean. Mean. Just very aggressive and very combative and confrontational and cutthroat. And I took a lot of pride in competing that way."
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2015/12/28/10682254/la-lakers-kobe-bryant-playing-style-mean
That's all I want to say about this. If we still disagree, that's fine.
lambOfGod 1y ago
you live in a Cyberpunk 2077 world without the cyberpunk tech.
People suck and most of the have some form of mental illness/personality disorder.
This is common place in the EU too. EU is 90% USA minus the late stage capitalism issues.