I feel like acting red-pill is all fine and good, even in the workplace (to a certain point), but what gets you into trouble is verbalizing red-pill terminology or discussing red pill concepts. It’s been written as much in the literature (to keep your damn mouth shut), but I’d like to know the underlying mechanism of it. In my experience, you can behave as a “toxic, masculine man” for as long as you want, but if you say you’re against abortion, or are a conservative, only then are you busted. Can women not associate your behavior with the “enemy”? Why do they have to hear a code word to turn on the aggression?
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whytehorse2021 1y ago
So nobody got this right. The correct answer is there is a difference between mutual knowledge and individual knowledge. When you create mutual knowledge by saying you are red pill, you've put it out there for all to see. You've said the emperor has no clothes. You're the asshole who ruined the game.
Lots of replys have addressed side-issues like: You are indicating male sexual strategy over female sexual strategy, first rule of fight club(mutual vs individual knowledge), you give them no choice but to be an asshole in response to an affront on their paradigm, etc.
mattyanon Admin 1y ago
yes
women are inherently dualistic.
they want good genes and they want support. you can demonstrate good genes, but if you advocate against female support, you will trigger defensiveness.
benzino 1y ago
It's like they are programmed NPC. The brainwashing has been so strong and effective that they automatically get enraged when they hear some certain keywords.
I can tell some girls that they want a man who is emotionally mature, fit and muscular, takes care of himself and the people around him, is a natural leader and doesn't take shit from anybody. They would agree 100%.
Say they want an alpha male - they lose their shit. Of course, I never say stupid things like that, but you get the point.
It's like them complaining about capitalism and support communism but when you start to ask them digging questions, you find out that on values, they support capitalism and free market more.
They are like parrots now, repeating whatever's been taught to them, even when they don't really understand the issue
Intrepid_Place53900 1 1y ago
First rule of fight club , dude.
Especially in the workplace, RP is not (politically correct), therefore you WILL be attacked.
I don't know where you work, but where I work, you keep your religion, conservatism, etc, to yourself because 90% of the employees are NOT of that like mind, they are "hive" mind with what the MSM has told them.
I have very few people in a very large company, that I get them and they get me (men and women). We all keep it quiet to get along.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
People don't like to come across as asses by assuming. You can't walk the walk all you want but the second you verbalize it they have to respond and they don't want to be put in that position
Plus they don't want to assume in case they are wrong, which makes them look like an asshole. If you say it though the jig is up and they are free to assess you however they wanted without any doubt
wswZtyqNGQ 1y ago
Read "The Painted Bird" for a perfect example. When the narrator is mute everyone accepts him as a blank slate and treats him kindly, trusts him and explains everything to him perfectly. When he can talk and give his own opinions everyone attacks him as a hated Jee and treats him horrifically, belittling him, tortures him for fun and lies to him about everything.
Let the fools think you are one of their kind and they will be happy with you. Show any opposition to their ways and they will hate you forever.
MrSupreme 1y ago
Keeping the red pill to oneself is the best way.Can be discussed online
Whatsnext 1y ago
I think its because they don't believe in self improvement in men. They think men are either attractive or not and they will stay that way forever. When you talk about the manipulation / self improvement tactics to become more attractive they do not like it. That means any man can learn it and mate with them
Durek_The_Bald 1y ago
Considering all the dog shit you have to dig through to get to the good RP stuff, it's really no wonder the whole thing is a huge cringe to anyone who isn't enough of a nerd to more than peek down the rabbit hole.
90% of so called red pill content is either beta revenge porn ("these women regret divorcing their husbands"), some dude either directly or indirectly marketing himself as "alpha", content creators obviously spending way too much time on this shit, and just generally dudes who are clearly frustrated with life and women.
They say, "avoid the unhappy and the unlucky". But watch this space for how many who are clearly in those categories - both among the consumers and the creators. Frustrated average chumps indeed.
And then there's the first couple of rules of fight club ("do not talk about fight club"). So every time you see a guy handing out red pills, and not doing so behind anonymity, maybe your first assumption should be that the guy is a complete idiot.
It's really no wonder talking about TRP, and using TRP lingo, is extremely off-putting to the average NPC. It doesn't even need to have anything to do with people being blue pill brainwashed or whatever. It's enough that it is simply cringe material. And the reason it's cringe is because talking about it with outsiders betrays the disconnect between what you want to be, and what you actually are. It comes of as hamstering.
It's like with fat people who always want to tell the world how happy they are being fat. Well, if you're really that happy, why do you have the need to constantly say it? Sounds to me like you're really trying to convince yourself.
TRP is the same. If you're so on top of things, if you've got things figured out, if you're that much of a ladies man, if you know so well how to navigate this whole man-woman thing, then why do you have the need to tell the world about it, and have the world knowing it's you saying it? Why would a man who's got this shit figured out put his freaking face on YouTube, and talk about TRP? Are you that much of a loser that you don't have anything to lose by doing that?
"I just want to help other men". Oh please, shut the fuck up. You want validation. You want other men to say they learn from you because that gives you a hard-on, and an ego boost you don't get from womenor your life on general.
I'm in this space, and I do my best to apply good faith, but even I cringe at most of what I see and read. No fucking way am I letting any NPC out there know I'm here. It would make them see me in a more negative, more phoney light, and rightfully so.
ObliviousDuck 1y ago
A man's greatest sexual fear is to get tricked into raising another man's child as his own.
A woman's greatest sexual fear is to get tricked into taking a low-value man's seed.
When you talk in RP or PUA terms, you are broadcasting to the world that you are potentially a low value man in disguise. You learned what turns a woman on rather than just be that thing and they absolutely and justifiably abhor that bullshit.
They want someone who just gets it and doesn't need 20 articles about the autistic deconstruction of negging to just to understand teasing.
AbusiveFather1 1y ago
i was raised in a traditional, patriarchal family with rp values, and i'd say i'm naturally rp. if someone at work asks me about my stance on this or that, which is likely going to be conservative/rp-adjacent, should i just lie and tell them something bp/pro-liberal?
ObliviousDuck 1y ago
Here's the thing, if you talk about sexual dynamics without using RP terms it just flows naturally as your persona, you are not a phony.
I rarely, if ever, hide my political and sexual views to people around me (unless in a power play, obviously), but I also don't go out of my way to preach behind enemy lines. However, I am smart and articulated enough to be able to discuss with people without using absolutes.
I do use my views to troll people a bit from time to time. I don't hide it, I play with it, as it should be.
benzino 1y ago
i disagree with duck, this is a benefit - risk assessment.
You gain very little from this, but the risk is great, if it's a controversial topic. It's one of the tactics narcissist will use to get to you and destroy your reputation. If you don't shit where you eat, then this is natural.
I think the best response at work would be: I don't really have an opinion on this topic, both of you made very good points, just carry on. Then quietly remove yourself from gossip, say you need to take a shit or something like that
No-Stress-Cat 1y ago
What do you mean by acting Red Pill? There is no middle of the road here. You either embrace it or you don't. You can't turn it on and off like a light switch, "Oh, I have to go to work where there's a bunch of women, I better switch off the Red Pill." Whether you're at work, at home, at school, at church, at the grocery store, the Red Pill is there in all aspects of society.
You're confusing the concept of Red Pill with stoicism. When you speak, say only what is necessary, and think before you speak. Don't partake in gossip, which is designed to trigger certain emotions in those around you (pretty much what talking about the Red Pill to a bunch of women is).
AbusiveFather1 1y ago
you misunderstood the post
First-light 2 1y ago
I find that the analogy of religion and blasphemy work well here. I find that liberalism is the modern religion of the mainstream elite. Whether you are Catholic or protestant, secular or muslim, if you are a member of the high class professional elite you subscribe to liberal values. You do not blaspheme against the true religion of the west today. If you are lower class, you never bow to the elite's faith in public.
If you personally disagree -like if you are a devout muslim doctor in a large city full of unmarried sexually active western women, you shut up and you get on fine. If you are a devout Christian lawyer and you hear about people having abortions and crying over Wade vs Roe, you just shut up and you get on fine. You all get on together just like all the people who go to church on sunday or mosque on friday -keeping their sins quiet. So long as you do not speak for sin, you sin as much as you like in private and usually get away with it.
Speak for the sin though and its a blasphemy, they feel they need to act. Yet often many of them in their private lives had done the same as you. Its what scares me most about woke -its religion in practise. People do bat shit crazy stuff in the name of religion and can persecute non believers.
AbusiveFather1 1y ago
this is a very interesting take
First-light 2 1y ago
"You never bow to the elite's faith in public" was a typo form re-wording a sentence and leaving the wrong words in, I meant "never blaspheme against the elite's faith in public" I had first written "bow to the elite's faith in public"
Weightyboy 1y ago
First rule of fight club my friend. Read the grey man it is about camouflaging yourself in an aggressive world. Don't want to get cancelled.