hello everyone. tonight i have a question regarding my best friend of all time.
ill try to be as succint as possible.
We are both in our early 20s, and we have a friend group. 2 of the friends of this group basically hate my guts because ive always been better than them, and they went out of their way to make multiple chat groups with everyone in them but me, talking a LOT of shit behind my back (such as im a mysoginist piece of shit, that they want to punch me in the face and that they cant believe how i am this way, that i must be mentally ill). They said this to my best friend and he told me about it.
Ive never done anything bad to these 2 guys in my life, in fact i have tried to help em out (told em to go to the gym in a good way, told them to be confident with females etc). But they re just pussies, what actually worries me is my best friend, because ive told him multiple times that these 2 guys are no good (they fucked with my best friend too years ago, they used to get angry over nothing like little bitches, these 2 guys have improved and havent done that to him anymore, but the same aura remains) and despite that, he still hangs out with them, like they are his friends when in reality they are just backstabbing pieces of shit.
my best friend has told me that he has thought about leaving em before. he actually agrees with me and sees it the same way.
but why tf he doesnt leave em? These 2 still hate me and are resentful as fuck for no reason.
is my best friend, really my best friend? or is he just weak for not leaving these 2 dudes? sometimes i dont know what to think and fucks with me mentally more than it should
edit: i will also add that my best friend is pretty fake with these people, which is very apparent to me, but he acts completely normal and natural with me.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
Some times people don't leave other people because hassle. Some times people don't because they don't want retaliation. Some times we it's because they depend on other people for something.
It's not always because they don't respect you. But he lacks principle over dependency. People driven by principle are willing to take a hit for what they believe in or what's right but it's not always practical to end associations without additional drama.
Some times it's better to put up with stuff especially if a lot of it pertains to other people's bullshit rather than their own. You can't always litmus test people's loyalty by demanding they stop speaking to other people who they don't necessarily have a direct problem with themselves
benzino 1y ago
does he treat you badly? does he join those guys in badmouthing you?
If the answer is no, then he's your friend.
Just because someone hangs out with people you don't like, doesn't mean they aren't your friend.
If being your friend means cutting off all the people you disapprove of, then your standard for friends is too high.
I treat "friends" like I treat women. Actions, not words. And I treat them accordingly.
In your case, I would still consider him a "friend". But definitely not "best friend" or something like that. A best friend would stand up and tell the other guys to fuck off when they talk badly about you. I wouldn't put trust in that person regarding highly important matters, or reveal sensitive information to him. He's "compromised" and there's no telling if he will turn against you or not.
First-light 1y ago
I would tend to think the best of your friend unless proven otherwise. He is trying to maintain relations with the two intolerant narrow minded types and he appears to be a solid friend to you. If this is the case he is doing well. Unlike the intolerant jerks, he is not cancelling people just because they have strong views. He may not be close to them but he is trying to get on well with them.
Life is a long journey and you may have ups and downs in friendships. People also get wiser as life passes. A few years ago an old friend of mine practically cancelled me over my dislike of western liberal culture. I didn't cancel him back and he came around to my point of view. These days we have been solid again for about a decade. A couple of weekends ago we were out hunting together and I thought how lucky I was to have a good friend like him. I know he spoke badly of me to a whole bunch of libtards and feminists but now he in turn is getting cancelled by some of them.
I would just leave things to see what happens. Don't get drawn into it. Don't test your friend unless you need to. Testing a friend is like testing a lover's fidelity -you can sometimes destroy something good because there are very few absolutes in life and even well intentioned people mess up when tested sometimes. Life will test him enough. Time will show what is what, just be a good friend, expect the best back but be alert to the possibility that people can mess up and friendships can fail.
Maturin_nj 1y ago
This is easy and what i would do. Cut ties immediately with guys who use terms like misogyny. These are obviously weak beta males who are conditioned, plugged in whatever. You are wasting your time. When you are dealing with crap, especially, women with bad behavior, confused friends or acquantences, or just guys who suck, you get rid of them. Fast.
This doesn't affect your friendship with your long time friend. Just tell him you dont want to associate with those 2 pussies anymore. You've reached your quota. Your friend can hang out with them if he wants too. Not your problem.
Intrepid_Place53900 1 1y ago
could be a lot of reasons why he hangs with these guys.
Maybe they do stuff he also likes?
Maybe he feels superior around them and it makes him feel good?
Maybe he likes their friend group and doesn't want to blow it up?
He recognizes it and that's good. But ultimately its up to him if he hangs with these guys or not.
It would become an issue if he hangs with them a lot and then you aren't part of that, don't want to join them,etc and he knows you don't get along with these guys and goes with them anyway. Then you know where you stand.
whytehorse2021 1y ago
Success is a very lonely road. Very few people are willing to endure the pain, sacrifice, and diligence to be successful. It's an uphill battle and along that road you're not going to see too many friends. You're gonna see your shadow most often. You've got to trust in your heart that what you're doing is a worthy cause. A winnable fight.
For you see, many people have tried the same path that you're on, and they failed. As you walk this journey you're going to see carcasses all over the place of people that didn't quite have it. It should inspire you that you got further than that person and that person. But you're not looking to get further, you're looking to finish.
How do you know you're on the right path? Where do you go to ensure that? You talk to your neighbor? No you don't talk to him. I'll tell you about the neighbor. That neighbor's gonna come in and if you're a little chubby, a little overweight, and you're like "hey man I'm thinking about doing a little routine where I do some training and lose a little weight". He's gonna encourage you at first and say "yeah you should". Basically insulting your ass saying "you are fat and you need to lose some weight".
It's never support, it's negative shit. So you take his advice and you work out and you get in shape a little bit. Now you're at his level and his tone is gonna change. He's gonna start asking questions. Then he's gonna start talking shit because what happens is your success is like a spotlight shining down on their missed opportunities. Success - many will love you for it, the majority will hate you for it because your success makes them feel insufficient in their current endeavour. It reminds them of what they could have done and how they came up short and didn't revisit it.
When they went at it and failed and failure is what stood and they never revisited it. The difference between a winner and a loser, the failure is still there, but the winner is the one who gets back up and does it again and again until it goes his way.
So now you're down that path and you're all alone. How do you know you're on the right path? If you're wondering if you're on the right path, look at the small things in life. How do you do that? When you wash your car and you spend an hour washing your car, and you finish and put the hose and everything away... and you come out to see the finished job and there's a spot you missed. What do you do? Do go go grab the hose and everything and wash it again? Do you say "I need to do this job right" or "nah man this is good enough". The thing about good enough is we don't know if it's enough until the final hour when everything is on the line and if we come up short? Man doesn't that suck.
I promise that if today you never say good enough, tomorrow you will always have enough. What I'm saying is the character of who you are: it's not the title or the success that makes you. The character defines the success, defines the fame and it starts right there. Championships aren't won in the theater of the arena. They're won in the thousands of hours in the training room, 5AM runs when everyone else is sleeping. That's how they're won.
The heart of a champion is like a light that's always on. It doesn't go on and off. It's how you look at something and your name's attached to it so you do it right, to the best of your ability every single time. If you have dust on your counter tops do you dust around the picture frame or do you pick it up and dust the entire fucking thing? Do the job right or don't do it at all. That's the same guy who has his hand raised on the podium one day.
How you hold yourself in the small things in life build the character winning blocks that we're remembered for. You'll hit some bumps along the road but making it to the end is what matters.
No-Stress-Cat 1y ago
Not everyone is going to like you, no matter how much of a good guy you are. When it comes to people like that, all you can do is remove yourself from the situation. You can't control other people. If your friend wants to hang out with a couple of fucktards, that's on him. Eventually, they'll start giving him shit too, and he'll know you were right. Don't sweat it, young brother, they're on their own path to destruction. What goes around comes around. In then end, you'll be getting all the pussy and they'll be left sucking each other's dick.