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What methodologies/ techniques do you use to retain a plate once you build a high level of attraction?
- How do you simultaneously maintain the commitment that she wants, while keeping it open on your end?
Women tend to trade sex in exchange for commitment, while men trade commitment for sex, however at times the juice isn't worth the squeeze. Let's keep it a buck, most women in the West don't deserve monogamy, and most men in exclusive relationships are complacent. That's why commitment is often called settling down, not settling up. The tricky part is how one navigates these fragile plates, after all, all it takes is one wrong move for them to collapse.
financehardo420 1mo ago
It all lies in your willingness to walk away at any moment.
You basically gotta not give af whether the plate breaks or not at all times. When they can sense That they don’t control/affect you in any way shape or form then they’re more likely to stick around on the roster.
Also plates do all eventually break; they get a bf or whatever. Plates come back too it’s all gravy man
Problematic_Browser 1 1mo ago
You just keep doing the things that got them in your bed to begin with. It's when you change up that they start to act differently.
pancakesforbreakfast 1mo ago
FR33DOM_over_F33R 1mo ago
That gets you in the door, but for busy people working multiple jobs isn't that easy to maintain.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
Plates break dude. It happens. Be honest with them and they'll stick around longer than if they thought it was going somewhere and then you spring it on them
pancakesforbreakfast 1mo ago
Confused what your job has to do with it. See each plate once a week for an hour and be awesome and she'll keep coming back.
FR33DOM_over_F33R 1mo ago
Again, women on the higher end of the value scale aren't that easy for one hour time blocks, if you think this way then you haven't experienced said women.
It's the traumatized, broken, tarnished women that are okay with limited interaction, ghosting and obvious plate spinning behaviors imo.
pancakesforbreakfast 1mo ago
The hottest plates I've had are the most down for casual sex. It's the average girls who have their autism moments tbh. What makes you believe that women differ in fundamental behavior based on physical attractiveness? Please use real experience instead of ready-made red pill theory.
FR33DOM_over_F33R 1mo ago
When I imply higher SMV women, I don't just take into account looks, though that may be subjective. It's like how a Ferrari comes with it's own set of downsides, expensive repairs aka high maintenance, same with attractive women. I prefer to settle for a Mercedes instead, less maintenance and headache, and still attractive.
Though, I will meet you halfway and say, oftentimes hot women are approached LESS often than average women, because most men pussy out and presume rejection. HOWEVER, that same hot woman has been living in privilege from elementary school, I'm sure during her childhood the boys would bring her gifts during recess time, and all the way through adulthood she was given free handouts, allowed to skip lines, given the princess treatment, moved up female social hierarchies, not through anything of her doing, just simply because of her good looks.
To me, women need to WORK for you in order to gain ultimate attraction. If you are easy to get, she doesn't have to jump through any hoops, why would she choose you instead of Chad Tyroneson? Therefore, I think a woman's value is partially through looks, the other half is what does she bring YOU. Does she go out of her way to bring peace to your life, is she feminine FBI as Kevin Samuels said (Feminine, Beutiful, Inspirational), is she agreeable, able to cook or clean your things with little to no training, able to pair bond, doesn't have an overly promiscuous past (less mileage the better like a car), has a strong father figure and good relationship with him, all these "green flags" to me dictate a woman's value, not simply the looks.
There's a Russian proverb "greet her because of her looks, say goodbye to her because of her mind" - it makes more sense in Russian, but nonetheless the culture my parents came from is much more RP than this blue pill Western bull shit y'all are conditioned into. You guys set standards lower than Joe Biden's intelligence and then get surprised when the divorce rates are 50%.
pancakesforbreakfast 1mo ago
Lmao incel detected. Good luck out there
FR33DOM_over_F33R 1mo ago
I go through periods of voluntary celibacy when I chose if it means finding a normal chick, I have several women I reject every week that will hit me up, because I chose not to settle for sluts, but have fun nutting your dick around in every warm wet hole you see "pancakes"
Tlalox 1mo ago
You sound idiotic. Your complaint is you don’t want to fuck sluts so your solution is when you find a girl who isn’t a slut… and attempt to treat her like a slut.
Spin plates with the women who dgaf and just want dick.
For the women who don’t, I hate to break it to you but there isn’t a magical spell where you can say abra cadabra let me fuck whomever I can and you know about it and you’re ok with it forever.
FR33DOM_over_F33R 1mo ago
No, my complaint is discretion and setting standards. You prefer to share your women, so call it what it is, cuckholdry.
No one is trying to find virgins here, if that was the case I'd move to Eastern Europe to a small village and settle there, not at that stage in life yet. What I am saying is out of two wrongs you can pick a lesser wrong.
Tlalox 1mo ago
Wow you rationalize, move goalposts and hamster like a women.
You keep going on and on about your fantasy unicorn, then when hypothetically you get her you talk about how to spin plates and treat her like another slut you claim to hate.
You’re basically saying you want a wife material nuclear family kinda girl with pussy on the side.
Do what the French and Chinese do, make enough money to have a mistress in another apartment or keep bitching endlessly online about it while acting haughty and condescending because others aren’t feeding your delusions of grandeur where your chad dick is so amazing ms former virgin will happily smile after you come up from fucking another random plate.
Typo-MAGAshiv 1 1mo ago
Don't.
It's her job to get you to commit.
If she leaves, fine.
Read the sidebar. Specifically: HumanSockPuppet’s Guide to Managing Your Bitches.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
Too many guys on here try to permanently keep plates. It's against female nature sooner or later
You can extend a plate's life but not keep her around forever with no commitment
Lone_Ranger 1 1mo ago
agreed. I'm also slowly learning that LTRs are on a time limit as well!
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
LTRs are also unreliable nowadays.
This can largely be negated with serious vetting and seeing if after 4 months of dating a woman is still genuinely desirous of you and can't wait to be with you
Lone_Ranger 1 1mo ago
I was thinking much longer time lines.
My experience (sad to say) is that women who were gasping for sex will lose interest after a few years. Its' soul destroying.
Every woman I have ever been in a serious LTR with will lose interest in sex (with me) after 4 years or so. heartbreaking stuff.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
I meant four months ish to see if s girl still desires to officially date you
FR33DOM_over_F33R 1mo ago
My last plate was a 8.5 or 9 physically very attractive, very submissive and had high desire for me, problem was I sniffed out many red flags from the get-go.
As per TRP, I never bring up relationship dynamics/ where do we stand, I let the woman do this. Within a couple weeks she was hinting for commitment.
Despite her looks and desire, I couldn't bring myself to overinvest in a slut, maybe other guys can, I'm busy asf working 3 jobs, I'd only bring a woman into my life if she can add value, not chaos.
This one had a mark on her ass the first time we fucked (prior to me), goes out to play volleyball till 2 am (I kid you not she sent vids with timestamps- it was a party thing with males and females weekly), she was too sexually experienced, went out to clubs semi-frequently, talked about her ex who after failed attempts to get back she tried to get with his best friend, drank and smoked excessively, I saw messages from her orbiters she kept teasing.
Now she did have positive attributes, which I won't even mention because it would make it look like I have one-itis, but, her cons outweighed the pros imo. I eventually distanced myself, less attention, she kept wanting calls, texts, dates.
Which I partially did not understand, she truly was attracted to me, even found out a couple of my side-hustles and tried to visit me there drove far asf. But she had male orbiters, why didn't she go for some weak beta who gives he more attention?
Eventually, that's what she did. Saw her with some short Jewish looking guy (I presume is the ex's friend she kept talking about since she said he's Jewish), I'm not much taller, but def. more chiseled and she for sure downgraded in search for fuller commitment.
In the end, I'm stuck re-evaluating my steps, I could've caved in a little bit, but this girl was so tarnished, it's like the age old saying it takes a village to raise a child, so it must take much more to change a formed adult, is that even worth it? I assumed not.
Lone_Ranger 1 1mo ago
she sounds like a typical 'hot girl'. Just damaged from too much attention too much mollycollding and too much sleeping around. You did well to avoid.
benzino 1mo ago
why are you second guessing yourself LOL
you just dodged not a bullet but a cannonball. she was set to fuck you up in the future for sure. I assume she's already fucking/ wanting to fuck another guy behind the Jewish dude's back. poor him.
First-light 1mo ago
Its essentially an unstable dynamic. Hence the metaphor of a spinning plate. No one can spin a plate forever. You get tired and there are better things in life to do. Its not a way of life, its entertainment really. Briffault wins every time. You have to put energy in to spin a plate. Its the only way and once it gets to the point that you don't give her enough of whatever she needs to maintain the relationship (usually its entertainment if you are not betaing out and providing resources), then it breaks.
FR33DOM_over_F33R 1mo ago
So I'm left with a Black Pill aftertaste, because from my experience, most women in the West are tarnished and I genuinely don't believe they deserve a LTR investment. That's not because I prefer meaningless casual sex, but quite frankly contrary to popular RP opinion, I don't think they even deserve THAT, I think the whole hookup culture creates a Blue Pill breeding ground.
HVM give women the illusion that a 6 can get with a 9 man, where the reality is he is just pumping and dumping, and she is further disillusioned and loses her value and future dating prospects due to her slutty behavior. Now yes, she's at fault for opening the key to her legs, but the man is always at fault imo because we are smarter, more powerful, more rational, that's why in Genesis Adam was the one reprimanded despite Eve eating the apple first.
First-light 1mo ago
I see where you are coming from and I tend to agree. PUA culture fixes nothing, it only simps to women in a different way. It gives women something they like (albeit usually its very temporary). Its like giving them free alcohol when they ask for free food. Really they should from an early age be learning to grow food as a team with a good man. Giving them the PUA alcohol is harmful for them and it does the one who gives it to them no good in the long term. It just gives both sides affirmation and pleasure for a short while by pushing their buttons. Its empty in the end and I have given up on plates because I do not want to pour my energy into an empty hole of pleasing women short term and doing no good to anyone long term.
Black pill all sounds a bit negative to me. Its a very sad situation but I prefer to look at it in a red pilled way. If we get too bleak, it leads us to a lot of negative thought that harms us ourselves. Its not pretty but there have been many men who have lived all their lives with no sex in the past or only sex with whores because they didn't meet the threshold women and society had for men to mate. It could be even worse and the world would go on.
What I would encourage players (men who cultivate all the tells of High value and practise pleasing women) to do is to only play with the already lost women, not to ruin the good (or not too bad) girls. They might still get to build something with someone that lasted.
benzino 1mo ago
well said. exactly my thoughts.
men need the experience though, to avoid BP manipulation and from women too.
I guess that justifies my attraction to goth chicks