Ive worked out and played sports my entire life. I did my first steroid cycle last year. It helped put me over the edge, and I noticed it in my smv. Very rarely does a man stare me down Id say maybe once a year (and I have lived in rough neighborhoods of South Central LA and some narco neighborhoods in Latin America).
I am about 5'11 207lbs lean and if you put me in NCAA football pads I would look the part of maybe a free safety safety or runningback. I even got high quality black and grey tattoos in Hollywood done on my legs. I look the part, and def feel like my SMV is high.
But sometimes I go out, and girls gravitate to the very average 5'10' 165'' average joe with average personality. Like the guy has no style at all. Hes literally a drone dressed like cookie cutter advice from reddits malefashionadvice sub. But shes entertaining him and not me. I even recently went thru some what of a break up with a girl and I hate to admit i did a deep dive on her social medias. I ended up finding her boyfriend that she was cheating on me with (I was the alpha fuck side guy) and his friends and their girlfriends (basically who i would be compared with), and all of them are like 5'8 150 guys that are just slightly "good looking" with shitty tattoo qualities. They work minimum wage jobs that earn you $350usd/month in this country. I wouldve been heads and shoulders above her entire social circle. But I guess theyre bad boys who do wheelies on their motorcycles in the hood with no helmets, so thats their thing. Even though im an ex-drug dealer myself.
On one hand I literally could look like a NFL player (some people actually think i play baseball professionally when im in California) and on the other hand these are like average joes who end up sticking around. Its safe to say I probably am not dating up to my potential, but sometimes the good sex/feelings come from someone you dont expect and i prioritize that over pure looks.
While I know theres a degree of autorejection in my specific cases, it does annoy me. Im going to go monk mode and start my second steroid cycle now, as well as finish tattooing my arms. I know its going to take me to the next level 1000%. At this point I already have the career and the style.
But sometimes I think its not worth it. Like Im already elite in looks now and although I fucked up my last situationship with things outside of physical SMV at the end of the day Im not the one she picked and instead its some shorter chubby bad boy from the barrio (hood). I guess i wasnt a secure enough second branch to monkey swing to.
So this is not a oneitis post, its just me moving on now and going back into the lab the only way I know how. Getting ready to do my second blast and get more tats. Moving back home for a few months to reset and detox from my recent oneitis situation with some good ol fashioned no contact. Spend time with family. Stack up more coins. But yeah, its annoying that when you raise your smv you price yourself out of a lot of women. They get insecure and sometimes thats not a good thing, it can mean her choosing someone else with more security. Some girls will never be in a relationship with a good looking guy, they want a beta to control.
Yes I get attention from extremely hot women in public, but thats all it is. Recently I was at the mall in Latin America with a friend and he spotted the "hottest" girl we seen all day (which is quite a feat in south america). We ended up being in the same grocery line as her, and she turned back at me and smiled. That was off the pure strength of my looks. So i already have "access" to these situations, so not sure if i should get bigger and more tatted, idk. I even fucked an extremely sexy Venezuelan girl last weekend but I found out she was only in town for 4 more days so I didnt even bother fucking her again. The opportunities are there, but i want a relationship with a girl with girlfriend qualities at this point of my life. Then I want to conquer her heart and be her world. I dont want to have empty sex and have a roster and they have a roster. I been doing that and it gets old
Is becoming a specimen even worth the juice anymore? It has not helped me retain or salvage relationships. YES, I fucked up, its not like i was disrespected or cheated on but still the result is the same. My true issue remains in my ability to sustain a LTR with beta qualities. Not attract women or fuck them good. Im quite literally snatching defeat out the jaws of victory.
Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
This reads very like a satire post (@Vermillion-Rx you know what I mean?)
Assuming best intentions, I'll respond as if not satire.
OP - you sound like are suffering from 'transference'. You mission in life is obviously the pursuit of sluts (and that seems pretty much it). And in your mission to chase sluts, you have morphed into a woman. Let me explain.
Your entire life is dedicated to obtaining the approval of women. You are prepared to risk your health and fertility (steroids) and have paid for permanent skin damage (tattoos) that will limit your progress in society, all for the sake of 'impressing women'. In your fervoured quest to gain approval and validation from women, you have become a woman (obsessing over your looks, orientating your life at validation and approval of sluts).
You are now wondering why the sluts are not interested in you, but seem to be more interested in guys that don't spend their life force on doing everything they can do get approval from women.
Are you getting it now?
Women are not very interested in men that spend their entire life trying to get approval from women. Because that is female behaviour. It is not attractive to women.
As a side note, you probably look much more like a homosexual than you think (nothing against gays). That steroidy beef cake and tatts look is very homosexual. You think women are avoiding you because you look 'too alpha' .... but this smacks of delusion. What kind of man spends his life force on his looks? That's a homosexual or female behaviour.
DonDripp 2y ago
All the events are getting so much similar to Calhoun rat experiment.
Your looks doesn't mean you won't get you pussy, but as in experiment you might be indeed not giving off enough masculine energy.
It will be easy for you to reject LR point of view because you have invested a lot into who you are. Nevertheless if you won't try you will not know. Adventurer is what you want - experiment with yourself and your attitude.
BecomingABetterMan1 2y ago
In my experience of being very muscular (5'9 @ 203lbs, approx 10% BF), having muscles will help you get IOIs.
Once you start getting to a certain point of jacked, you will get less IOIs from lesser attractive girls, but you will get more brazen IOIs from more attractive ones. That being said, there are less of them as a whole. I think it was Roissy that had this experience where he believed lesser attractive girls wouldn't bother trying because he was too far out of their league - effectively.
But having muscles and money doesn't mean shit if you don't have game. I speak from experience on that.
Sounds like you want validation tbh. There's a good post on that here. https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/l23n9p/timeline_escaping_sex_for_validation_and_quitting/
whytehorse2021 2y ago
Yeah I've heard this from several guys. It happened to me in Asia a lot. Women would just assume I'm a player because I could get any woman I want.
Hondurak 2y ago
Nah its not validation. Because I would only want that from the girl Im investing into, as a confirmation that shes worth the commitment and is in turn giving value in my life. You can only do that when a girl is showing you with her actions shes all about you.
That being said do you think theres any point in a second cycle for a guy like me or will it alienate me even more as far as autorejection? We are approx the same build. Like you said, I can already get my foot in the door with the serious hotties. But it doesnt seem to help much in serious LTR's. Ive made a fair share of mistakes in my recent relationships, and broken the plates still, despite my looks and having good game. Only to have them rebound or go back to someone lower value than me. I even made a mistake with my ex and i couldnt get her back (did once but not twice, good for her), but after that i tried and failed. I ended up walking away for good.
Just not sure if its worth the squeeze.
BecomingABetterMan1 2y ago
tbh, taking steroids to get girls is pretty retarded. I'm going Blast and Cruise but I've been doing this for more than half my life as it's my passion. But there is an extent where more muscle absolutely gets less attractive, and even though I'm not doing this for female attention - I'm getting real cautious of putting loads of effort into something that will make me less attractive.
So I guess my point is that it really doesn't matter. If you want to, go for it, just don't do it for the ladies. Sounds like you're already doing well in that department anyways.
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ferret9 2y ago
I think being more atypical will work with super hot girls. More tatts and muscles definitely qualifies. It's the equivalent of a girl with an even smaller waist and bigger tits
EurasianChad 1 2y ago
Gets you in the door. Looks from women. Glances. Double takes.
You still need to approach and be able to talk to them charismatically & with conviction.
More than the physical aesthetics is the mental benefits of knowing you achieved something that money can't buy. It is the ultimate status symbol in my opinion.
Overkill_Engine Endorsed Contributor 2y ago
It's a form of male status that can't be taken away by court order like wealth can be, there are no "abs alimony" payments that SwoleChad has to make, unlike MoneyChad. Anytime you leave, you get to take 100% of your muscles with you. So muscles is both soft and hard power that normally cannot be legally taken away from you by human actors. Bitches love power.
Women's cavemonkeybrain likes health markers too, just like men's cavemonkeybrain does, even if the markers themselves vary.
That being said, if you don't have the right head-game, muscles can be wasted too. You might get interest but be unable to retain it if you are a pushover, neurotic, or otherwise give off mental markers of unfitness.
Hondurak 2y ago
Trust me i know. I read something that even someone who has elite status like a doctor will be intimidated by a muscular man, its not something you can control.
My argument was more in my post. I have that status now. But it still isnt a complete game changer when it comes to making mistakes in a relationship, and no im not a pushover, neurotic, or mentally unfit.
Overkill_Engine Endorsed Contributor 2y ago
No one thing ever is. Mistakes are mistakes, simple as.
AbusiveFather1 2y ago
About 3.50%
MrSupreme 2y ago
I would say it's more around 3.47%, most guys don't train traps
AbusiveFather1 2y ago
14.88% if he also does hip thrusts and kegel exercises
Problematic_Browser 1 2y ago
A fit body will get you in the door but you can always fuck it up.
Hondurak 2y ago
If youre already in the door with most serious hotties, does it even matter to do a second cycle? I feel like thats where im at now.
First-light 2 2y ago
An interesting post that goes a lot further than the title. It looks like you are looking for a faithful LTR.
Getting a faithful woman to build a life with is not just about getting through the door, its about getting her to lock the door behind you and throw away the key. That demands quite a wide set of skills and you need to not look like a fuckboy. I would be cautious about diving further down the rabbit hole as I am not sure if it will be counter productive. Even if its neutral its an investment of time and energy that could go elsewhere.
I like ferret9's comment that its like a girl with bigger tits and a smaller waist. You know when you see a perfectly natural girl who has these qualities, she cannot be anything but attractive, a tiny bit of enhancement is probably OK if you are really left wondering if she has or has not been enhanced and if the enhancement aims only to give the impression of natural perfection but then you see the girls who went back for the second operation and the third... There will always be a hard core of guys who are massively into these unnatural specimens but most of us just wouldn't. We know they are insecure, we know they have turned all their identity outward. We wouldn't take them to meet our mothers. We wouldn't want them at the school gate picking up our kids. We might bang them once as we know they are easy and will be biged up on getting attention, so should give us a pretty good experience -the once.
Most women want the clean cut fit healthy guy for a life partner but that's all. Tattoos are not looked down on as lower class as much as they once were but they do mar the clean cut image if they can't be covered up off the beach.
This is not my subject area. I have only been into sports where power to weight is everything and so I have only been interested in strength gains with minimal hypertrophy but I would look at successful body builders' wives. Are they really as hot as the wives of sportsmen, successful business men, actors and so on. Are they enhanced or natural? Are they high or low maintenance? Also are they the sort of woman you would want for a life partner? I have not hung out with body builders, so I don't know the answers but I would check it out before diving further down the rabbit hole.
I would be careful about the steroids. I am not moralising here. If the reward is worth the risk then of course you do it. If you were a sprinter in the early 80's it would be a must, if you could get away with it now as an athlete it would be great if it won you world titles but it would not be worth it if it only won you county titles. The risk to your long term health and fertility is not worth a medal and a paragraph in the local paper, you would need to be winning more than that. Its easy to fall down a rabbit hole in a hobby and then you go further than where the benefits are worth the cost because you want to be the best you can be at that hobby. You are doing it to win at your passion not because it wins you enough to be worth it.
Its not my subject area but that does mean I am viewing it from outside like women would be. I would be careful.
Hondurak 2y ago
Yeah at this point I want a faithful woman to build a life with, and that doesnt necessarily mean marriage, but just someone that is all about me and im all about her (and my mission). Not no fwb who is treating me nice in person but sparsely unavailable most likely because shes sucking someone else off. That makes me sick, but only if i like them.
What you said is accurate however. I need to work on having higher relationship value. To address the steroid part, i do the "safest" cycle there is which is nothing but testosterone and its 500mg/wk (this is considered a beginners cycle). I am not adding compounds (like tren, anavar, dbol, etc) these are the extreme ones that change you into mutants.
I have noticed a big difference adding muscle with women. I can only imagine adding another on top of this. But yeah, none of this addresses having a faithful girlfriend which is the undertone of my post. I guess part of me is hoping that the more attractive I make myself, the more it makes me alpha-widow girls. I wanna be their best option or the best they had. Bc if youre neither then youre gonna get flaked on and forgotten about after a break up. I want nothing less than to imprint them.
I would trade in a hoe with crazy sex and a roster for a girl that is my type, cooks for me, we know each others friends families, we go on dates, have good sex, she texts me all the time, we go on trips, we have raw sex. etc. I seem to run into a girl like this I would say once a year. Theyre my type and im theirs. We become something, then somehow I make some mistake down the line (usually in the form of failing comfort tests or instilling dread) and i break the relationship. There is always some miscommunication, I analyze the situation wrong and pull the wrong card. It hurts them - Becomes a Mistake I cant recover from.
In between are girls I dont see myself liking. I just use them for sex. I flake on them or ghost them eventually. But when I meet my person i fuck it up, and it breaks, then yeah. My "hotness" does not matter, they rebound with someone way under my league.
Intrepid_Place53900 1 2y ago
Not sure why you care to alpha-widow girls. Too much ego and catering to women here.
I've always worked out since high school. Made me feel good, kept me level, burn off extra energy. also liked the strength and looks to attract women,etc. Nothing wrong with that and it is healthy for you also.
I'm old, but in a LTR the last few years. Do I lift for her?
No, I lift because it's healthy for me, makes me feel better and I always like having options with women.
That's for me, not for her.
You seem to want a LTR. You also seem to be playing games with these girls.
I'd recommend reading up on the reddit (marriedredpill)
Those are guys in LTR/marriages that try to keep things going. You have to be careful with dread and playing games is not ideal. If you are with a good woman, level headed, smart, wants family,etc. She's not going to appreciate games.
That doesn't mean you can skip being a leader or a man she desires.
It doesn't mean she can relax and get fat or not give you morning blows because she's comfy you won't leave.
it's a dance, the key is finding a woman who's doesn't make you learn the dance or keep changing it.
First-light 2 2y ago
I wouldn't worry what they think after a break up. Its always going to be mixed and their regret is no use to you.
I am not sure what to advise about the retention thing. Its the hardest part of any modern relationship anyway I think. In my case its reacting to them when they are out of order emotionally or logically that does the harm, when I could have just ignored it. Small fires don't just burn out but get fuel added and they feel hurt even though they started the fire unfairly. Still that's my error, yours is probably different. We just have to keep looking into ourselves and trying to improve.
Women in the long term do like men who are content in themselves. If getting bigger muscles fulfils you then it may do no harm but if its one of those black holes of motivation that pulls you in deeper and deeper without you ever reaching true contentment, too much of it is probably a negative to retention.
I don't know enough to comment about the testosterone. I think I would be tempted by the idea too if I was into body building because my mind usually wants to know how deep the rabbit hole goes but that may not be the healthiest part of my mind. Good luck with it anyway. I think the temptation would be to keep doing a bit more and a bit more just to keep gaining until you are doing all the drugs possible. If you can draw a line and back off and fully rest after whatever the right number of cycles is, its probably fine.
Electrical_Tackle 2y ago
Don't do a second cycle for the reasons you are pointing. You are goint to polarize yourself too much, in expense of health, and if your talking about SMV, that too. 1 Cycle, you said your self, was more than enough. Going back to the same "work" that got you "there" won't get you "further".