I wanted some opinions on this. I have seen red pillers who say using escorts are ok and others who said it’s not, and here is my personal opinion.
Escorts are a double edged sword. I started using escorts recently when I near my prime and have experience dating women, all tho at this stage in my life I get matches and dates, my biggest problem was I used to get desperate if I had a dry spell, causing me to often times lose frame with the girls I go on dates with. Ever since using escorts I have more confidence with chicks I am trying to actually date and game, I care less about their opinion, care less if they reject me which in turn is giving me more success and also allowing me to deal with rejection better.
So if you have the money, I would say use escorts only to lower ur need for sex and desperation, when ur in a non desperate state u tend to treat chicks ur dating with a idgaf attitude in turn making u more attractive and likely to close. The downside is that escorts can also be very damaging. If yo completely quit dating and only rely on escorts that’s extremely self harmful, and if u use the same strategy (leading with ur wallet) with escorts that u do with regular woman, that is probably the worst way to destroy ur self improvement journey. So if you do use escorts rememebr it is not an escape but rather a counter measure to deal with this high ego inflated women of this generation.
Maturin_nj 2w ago
What you have done is become the gatekeeper of sex. You flipped it. Power to you. Using them during dryspells is a good move. Plus women can't control your sex life. Women will shame you the most for this becuase intakes away their biggest power. Don't feel any shame.
coolsocks00 1 1mo ago
The so called positive you outline is nothing but a band aid, for a problem you can actually solve. By that, i mean that you’re treating symptoms instead of the cause.
helpfulguy22 1mo ago
Yes it for sure is a bandaid but think of it this way. Women on dating apps espcially are getting worse and worse with every year, I have been on dating apps since 2017, and the ego of women from then and now are insane.
Prior to this year before I used escorts I used to get dates but having dry spells it makes u lose frame, ur basically competing with no options with a woman that has unlimited (even tho it’s just her pussy that has option). Escorts if used CORRECTLY gets rid of a man’s desperation basically equalizing the ego boosts women get on dating apps and taking away the power of her kitty lol if that makes sense. It’s hard to explain what I’m thinking but hopefully u understand me
coolsocks00 1 1mo ago
I see these things as completely separate. There's the argument for legalized prostitution as a potential solution to the combined issues of inceldom and hoeflation in the sexual marketplace. Then there's the question of whether using prozzies is good or bad for any one man.
The first has some merit imo. But you dont wanna be one of these incels in the first place, or a guy who lets an urge for validational sex control him.
helpfulguy22 1mo ago
That is exactly my point, escorts shouldn’t be used until ur sort of in your prime and have experience in dating and women under ur belt and still effectively get dates. Escorts shoukd primary be used to neutralize the effect of hoeflation to make it sort of a more even playing ground.
I think if u are an incel and using escorts is ur only way out that is the worst thing for a man. However using escorts to make sure u don’t put women u date in frame where ur scared to lose them espcially during ur dry seasons is an effective method to counter the crazy hoeflation in the last couple years.
coolsocks00 1 1mo ago
Not what i meant at all. Im saying legalized prostitution could hypothetically make women realise they have to bring more to the table than just sex.
And that only the weak men will need/want to use them. Should they? No.
Theolympicnomad 1mo ago
I get what's he's saying, you're both right but the way it's being written out is being miscommunicated.
How I'll put it in this way:
There's TWO types of men that fuck prostitute. Men who legit CANT get girls and men who CAN get girls but they genuinely don't like talking to them, like he said they're getting worse and worse every year (online especially).
But you're right it would make them realize that but at the same time I think they'll still.go for the top guy
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
This whole post is an extraordinary over analysis. As @coolsocks00 already mentioned, this is a bandaid solution.
I'm not going to rehash my arguments against why escorts are meaningless from previous times I've commented on escort posts
Gist of my point is that all it takes to see an escort is money. The 600 fugly fatass neckbeard patron has the same access to the same poon as the Henry Caville client giving her her selling price.
It's meaningless. It is pure transactional sex. If someone is that desperate for a nut that's all it is, purest form of unadulterated transactional sex there is, it's a reflection of your funds not your abilities as a man
I can't stand when you spergs make philosophical post about escorts and how it goes into red pill. It doesn't, you're exchanging money for a service that's all it is. It's not some kind of profound RP stepping stone, it's just busting a nut for a sum of cash
This is about as revelational as telling us you can purchase sex. Great. You spergs need to stop looking for whether something is alpha or beta and stop starving your hamster of oxygen. Go touch grass
helpfulguy22 1mo ago
You misunderstood, I agree with u it is transactional, but the point of it is lowering your desperation when u go out to game actual women. Men inflicted by the Desiree for sex often loses frame when dating women, all I’m saying is this lowers your desperation, however it can also be very damaging if this is your only method. Thus a double edged sword
Theolympicnomad 1mo ago
You're absolutely right. There was a point in my game where I needed to master being sexual etc so I used local prostitutes in my city for that. There was ALSO a time where I needed to get out of my scarcity mindset so I can go out and approach women WITHOUT having that same "eagerness" for the lay to happen during an interaction. Prostitutes and escorts are good if you use them for the right reasons.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
It's an overthink as fuck though.
Not being desperate and h0rny when gaming women. It's not rocket science
I think you guys just feel bad about it and then try to make an escort posts to justify the fact you saw one
helpfulguy22 1mo ago
You fully misunderstood my post, I’m agreei with you man, I acknowledge the damaging effects an escort can have for guys who use it as their only option, don’t improve, stop gaming women, and just do transactional sex.
I am simply saying since age 27 I have never seen one, if I was trying to justify seeing one I wouldn’t be acknowledging the damaging risk of using escorts either. I am simply saying from my experience it made me more “idgaf” attitude with some women and also made me more confident in the bed room. Allowing me to pull more. I was simply explaining the doubles edged sword effect in my analogy. I am on your side and I get your concern bht please just try to understand what it is I’m trying to say.
helpfulguy22 1mo ago
Please read my last paragraph again, thank you
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
I read your whole post
What i am saying is this isn't rocket science. This an is water wet watchya think post
Theolympicnomad 1mo ago
Jesus Christ Vermillion just let him have it man it's not a big deal he's just making a point you also agree with.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
I'm responding to OP based on the entirety of his posting history, not this one post. I always respond to users entire posting history
And there is a prostitute post every 2 months guys think they are discovering some kind of holy grail revelation here about paid sex talking away the urge of dry spells
It's just common sense and too many other spergs get the wrong message from it
Theolympicnomad 1mo ago
Ahh ok my fault
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
To be fair no one really knows that unless they do the same thing
Lone_Ranger 1 1mo ago
Sounds like you are just making mouth noises to justify what you want to do, which is pay whores for sex.
Your whole post comes across as some low value man who is poorly calibrated, has poor frame, goes to whores, and puts women at the centre of his life.
And about those whores..."If you lay down with the dogs, you are going to get fleas".
First-light 1mo ago
Band aids can be pretty useful sometimes.
When my first marriage broke down, after my divorce, I visited whores for a couple of months, maybe 3. Actually I found it really helpful. Never done it since (two decades later). The band aid worked, never needed one again. Doubt I ever will.
Why did I do it? Well I had married as a virgin and the marriage had been terrible sexually (never ever come close to sleeping with someone so not into sex ever since). That was a pretty big handicap. I wanted to have experienced other women, to have some idea of what a man was supposed to do. To just come to sex not feeling guilty for desire. My wife's attitude to sex had been "I don't like this but I will put up with it because I am married. I do not want to try to enjoy it. I do not want you to try to help me enjoy it. I do not want to talk about sex" I also wanted to not "freeze up" when I encountered another woman.
The whores had another spin off for me that I had not anticipated. They stopped me being so thirsty. I could look at a woman in a take it or leave it kind of way that I had not been able to before. This really helped me to get with a woman who was certainly an 8 out of ten, maybe a 9 and who liked sex. After that I never looked back. I seemed to go through a bit of a Chad phase as I became a late developer.
I think that the amount I spent on the whores was really well invested in my case. I spent less than a week's wages in total at a really cheap backstreet whorehouse.
One of my best friends by contrast -who started off much better with women than I did- got addicted to them and regrets an addiction he feels holds him back. He also likes the expensive ones.
Medicine can be addictive or it can be used as medicine.
helpfulguy22 1mo ago
This guy gets my point
ObliviousDuck 1mo ago
Absolutely avoid whores if you are a validation seeking bitch. They can smell it from a mile away, like sharks with blood, and they will prey on that to suck you dry, pun intended. Next thing you know, you are a sex addict.
You have to fix your validation seeking habits before entertaining the though of going for a prostitute.
Acela_nextel 4w ago
Lmao as long as you don't go broke seeing hookers I don't see the issue. It's definitely beats jerking off.
RPU_mike Admin 4w ago
You realize all you’re doing is inviting a moral debate here, right?
You’re going to get a bunch of posts on “banging whores is bad because…” and “banging whores is great because…” and none of that is going to help you or the average guy get closer to what he wants out of life. 99% of sex with escorts/prostitutes/callgirls/women of the night is men settling for something that they can’t get right now via any other means of attracting women, period. Understanding that fact is key to recognizing that - as you pointed out - whores are just a coping mechanism.
ExConvictNowMillionaire 3w ago
"99% of sex with escorts/prostitutes/callgirls/women of the night is men settling for something that they can’t get right now via any other means of attracting women, period."
Escort = cheap instant gratification Game/RP/PUA = rewarding delayed gratification
whytehorse2021 4w ago
Dating is just another form of prostitution. You pay either way, whether in time wasted or money. I prefer to give the money directly to the woman, skip the date, and proceed to sex.
While hoes are a dual edged sword, so are housewives. I had to learn RP to make my marriage work and be happy. That's a lot of time and money invested but I got kids and a friend to share life with. With a hoe you don't get that but you get anonymity and no accountability. THAT"S WHY I DO BOTH! MUAHAHAHAHA. WOOO!!!! Male dual mating strategy at it's finest.
TRPDuryodhana 4w ago
While I'm working on other aspects of my life, it's obvious to me that the work that I'm doing to attract chicks is just another form of payment.
All long as I have stuff under control, I'll have her "genuine" attraction. The contradiction in this "realness" is as clear as it gets, and it's one of the reasons no society worth it's salt ever took women seriously.
So what's wrong with paying hoes? Nothing. I think lots of redpill guys take game and chick to their egos.
Btw glad to see you're back posting here again.
whytehorse2021 4w ago
And here's another way to look at it: Some women enjoy sex and are happy to do that all day every day... but if they do that how can they pay their bills?
No-Stress-Cat 1mo ago
I was watching this video of this guy going around asking women to have sex with him. He'd flash out $500 and say, "This is the price, take it or leave it." Every woman took it. They're all whores for the right price. So, using escorts is perfectly okay. It all depends on the price.
Rubbing one out before a date fixes this problem.
Acela_nextel 4w ago
Lmao u got a link to that video? Were the women attractive?
No-Stress-Cat 4w ago
They were decent...maybe 7 or 8...it wasn't how hot they were, the goal was to see how many would take the bait. The video was years ago, probably on pornhub or something.
Testme 1mo ago
Prostitutes are not OK
No-Stress-Cat 4w ago
I have one piece of advice for you, Testme...
>:D